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Title: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on January 12, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
The 28th Annual Kansas City Wide Open is scheduled as a PDGA B-Tier for June 19-20. Registration information will be forthcoming in the next couple of weeks. This Wide Open is being co-produced this year by Disc Golf World (Rick Rothstein) of Kansas City and Dynamic Discs (Jeremy Rusco) of Emporia, KS.

Jeremy and I will be making some decisions soon about formats, but wanted to use this forum to get some feedback from people who play PDGA events. We're pretty locked in that everyone will play 4 18-hole rounds, but we're not certain about how many courses each division should play.

Which of the scenarios to you prefer and why?

1. To play 4 courses. One round on each course.

2. To play 2 courses: Two rounds on each course.

3. To play 3 courses. Two rounds on one course and one round on each of the other two courses.

An argument for playing a course a second time is that it gives the player another shot at the course. This could be making amends after a less-than-stellar first round. Or it could be showing one's mastery by shredding the courses a second time. For travelers new to KC, trying to practice fewer courses takes less time.

An argument for more courses is variety. KC is famous for its courses, so it's a good thing to let people sample more tracks.

Anyway, any and all feedback is appreciated.

Also, if you are interested in volunteering for the Wide Open, let me know.

Thanks for the input.

Rick
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dickthediscparker on January 12, 2010, 02:16:30 PM
I like #1 because:

If you are hyping this up to be a big attraction for the next 3 years it's good to show our versatility as a town with our wide range of courses.  Also being able to cater to an infinite amount of people is great.  Also this is golf, so in my opinion you need to make the golfer show all of his skills on each course with out some sort of redemption.  What is this the NBA series?  The "I'll show up 2 of the 3 games I play"!  NO golf.  Show up or go home.  <- I don't know if I really feel this way but it sounded good at the time. 

I do believe that you should make sure everyone gets at least 1 of our touted "Championship" courses to each group.  WW - Wyco - Cliff - Blue Valley (short - it's more fun)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: The Bird Father on January 12, 2010, 02:21:22 PM
I think Adv Men should play PC all 4 rounds!  ;D

Save me some gas money.....
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Captklank on January 12, 2010, 03:58:21 PM
Do you have any idea on how many players you will take?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: coops on January 12, 2010, 04:23:41 PM
I'm liking either 1 or 3. We have too many good courses not to use at least 3 of them.

 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: sirbronco on January 12, 2010, 04:36:08 PM
I think # 3 would be good.  The first two rounds could be at one course, with the final two rounds at separate courses, thus "equalizing" the field going into the final rounds.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: David E on January 12, 2010, 04:36:24 PM
I'm liking either 1 or 3. We have too many good courses not to use at least 3 of them.

My guess is number of players is based on number of courses? 90 x # of courses
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Simpson on January 12, 2010, 04:54:25 PM
Because attempting to further growth into the future is a factor, I think leaving people with a taste in their mouths for wanting to come back and beat a course the next year is a good idea. Don't give them instant gratification.  ;) That aside, I agree with everyone else. We have too many good courses to waste.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: discwrangler on January 12, 2010, 05:22:17 PM
Being from out of town, I'd rather play fewer courses.  Play the best 2x if necessary.  Or the 2 you want to highlight.  running all over the place is no fun if you don't know where you're going.  Stress is the enemy! 

Less driving, less courses to practice makes it a much more efficient (do-able, probable etc) event to travel for.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Clue on January 12, 2010, 05:26:40 PM
As an out of towner, I'd vote for 4 courses.  I'd definitely want to play Blue Valley and Water Works.  It wouldn't matter what the other 2 were.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Clue on January 12, 2010, 05:28:44 PM
Let me amend.  As an out of towner who isn't going to win I'd vote for 4 courses.  If I were concerned about winning I would want to play Cliff 4 times.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: sirbronco on January 12, 2010, 05:52:48 PM
I think # 3 would be good.  The first two rounds could be at one course, with the final two rounds at separate courses, thus "equalizing" the field going into the final rounds.

Or how about this with 3 courses:  two different courses the first day, and the same course the second day...moving pins and maybe even some "Safari" holes for the final round.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: aarong on January 12, 2010, 07:37:04 PM
everything tracy said sounds pretty good to me.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kreutz21879 on January 13, 2010, 07:22:34 AM
i would like to see 4 different courses. this is b/c i know my favorite tournaments are the ones that see the most
a town has to offer. with the proliferation of different courses in this town, it would be a shame to not see the
best of the best. i would love to see BV, Cliff on sat. and Rosie, WW on sunday.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Greenwood17921 on January 13, 2010, 07:57:55 AM
as an out of towner am, I would definately vote for a 3 or 4 course option. 

You guys are like us up here in Des Moines--too many great courses to use only a couple.  You have your other course specific tournaments for that.  This is the KC Wide Open, whether it's a C Tier or an NT it should be your "showcase KC courses" event, IMO.

I also vote that the 4 courses should be Swope, Cliff, Wyco, and Waterworks.

So who is merchandising this event DGW, or DD?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Tom on January 13, 2010, 08:46:09 AM
3 or 4 courses would be my pick. I like Greenwood's picks too. Swope, Cliff, WW, and Wyco, although I wouldn't mind a SMP-Wyco day, and a Cliff-WW or WW-Swope day.
How kewl it is to have so many options  8)



Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: CHAS. on January 13, 2010, 09:42:58 AM
I like option #1 but if option #3 happens I like to see Blue valley in the mix if no other reason to get my dedbut to go play it. We could schedule an earlier start for Blue Valley?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on January 13, 2010, 10:25:22 AM
with 4 rounds in a weekend, playing Blue Valley makes no sense.  You will kill your arm.  It is a one day course (Except the City of Fountains) I think that it would reall dillute the good showings by people to play BV in the mix of 4......I think that we have enough other courses that will test people's game without throwing over 2 miles on one course then having to throw another mile on another course.  3 miles of throwing in a day and then having to play again is silly.

But that is me.

I tend to like to play 4 courses as I like to see other courses when I travel.  I plan accordingly to ensure that I know where to go, and practice....well, that must be for winners....this is a B-Tier this year right?  Play 4
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: bensdadfred on January 13, 2010, 10:43:57 AM
weenie arm!  ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Greenwood17921 on January 13, 2010, 11:09:51 AM
I'll echo what Jack said about BV.  It's just not that practical to play a round there and then somewhere else in the afternoon.  Rounds there are epic.  They take more than an hour to wind down from, IMO.

Only way I see BV getting used for this event is if you go with the 3 course option and have the ams play with tee times on Saturday and the pros on Sunday.  I don't like that format though, I'd rather play 4 fun courses. 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: CHAS. on January 13, 2010, 11:34:34 AM
Yeah I should of put that way about Blue Valley if it was in the schedule it would be the only course you play that day so four course tourney yes exclude BV but for out of towners with transportation issues maybe Rosey both courses.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: thankyoupeter on January 13, 2010, 11:44:45 AM
I'd prefer option 1, with the four courses being WYCO, WW, Cliff, and Rosedale. Another option would be to include BV, but move most of the holes short so it wouldn't be so much of a beast.  It would still probably be longer then any other course that weekend, but there wouldn't be multiple 800+ foot holes.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dickthediscparker on January 13, 2010, 11:58:10 AM
If you use BV just put it in it's short position.  It would play fine in a 2 round a day setting.  You just can't beef it up to the 67 setting.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on January 13, 2010, 12:10:11 PM
Shorts in BV is still over 9000'......it should not be done as a 4 round event.

I am not running it, but I think that I know what I am doing with events....
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Greenwood17921 on January 13, 2010, 01:00:31 PM
indeed, Jack does.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on January 13, 2010, 01:22:58 PM
that is "think" that I know what I am doing...... :P
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Captklank on January 13, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
There you go thinking again,what did we tell you about that ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kreutz21879 on January 13, 2010, 08:12:14 PM
come on you guys. go balls out. bv super long then we'll go clear out to kansas for wyco.
 then we'll just wait to see who can walk the next day.
much less throw. 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dickthediscparker on January 13, 2010, 09:29:59 PM
The big armith speakith
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on January 14, 2010, 08:56:50 AM
yeah......what he said...what was that at City a 59 in 30 degree weatehr you shot.......yet anotehr reason to not have BV in the mix.....freaks..... ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Jily Wily on January 17, 2010, 03:11:19 PM
Responding to Rick's original query as to 2 in 2, 3 in 2 or 4 in 2, of the PDGA events that I have played, the ones I've enjoyed the most are the two rounds on one course different placements each round per day events.  Although it can be fun running all over to get to multiple courses to say you've "Played" them, as a player my second round is always more relaxed playing the second round at the same course. You also avoid out of towners getting lost and not having time to eat or rest between rounds.  Being on a time limit and being lost is very stressful.  Now as a local, you may know how to get from Rosedale to WW in 15 minutes or less, but one simple wrong turn could turn that into a 45-minute drive with the player running from their car to their tee with barely a bathroom break. (Although I know some players wouldn't mind beating their opponents that way.)

Okay, that's my two cents..

From someone just off of a 100 days, 27 states, 89 rounds` 63 courses, 11-tourney road trip....

Jill "Jily and Wily" Pierce
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on January 18, 2010, 12:32:03 PM
It is a lot of work on the staff to move the baskets though for a volunteer group.  It also increases the challenges of having minsinformation in the scorecards, programs with distances etc, and players notes.  It really asks an awful lot of your staff to do it this way.

I do see the advantages though of having one course to make it work, wher you have 2 courses in a park it is mush easier to make this happen.  We only have one location in town to do that currently, Rosie, and it does not sound like DU is going to be in the mix.

I typically like to at least visit the courses that I will be playing, even if it is only to get acclimated to the area so you do not get lost, but then I haevn't tried to do 63 courses in 100 days, but I bet I could get to that #, just not sure about all those states.....
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: treemd on January 19, 2010, 09:03:12 PM
Ive played in tournements that have every card move the basket of the hole they finish on.  Then all the staff has to do is unlock all the pins before the first round and flag the location of the basket for the second round.  it actually works real well for changing pin locations between rounds at the same course.

just an idea
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dickthediscparker on January 19, 2010, 10:51:39 PM
Except when they don't get changed which happens quite often unfortunately.  But it is a good thought in theory.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on January 19, 2010, 11:08:54 PM
Except when they don't get changed which happens quite often unfortunately.  But it is a good thought in theory.

Then you just need someone to drive around and check their work. Move them if they didn't get moved. worst case scenario is some poor schlub has to move all the baskets themselves, best case, they get to go to lunch early after seeing the baskets moved as planned.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dickthediscparker on January 20, 2010, 07:23:43 AM
Ok maybe I should put it this way.   I don't think a  player should be expected to "WORK" at a tournament.  Not saying we'll have alot of out of towners but I know I don't like having a job to do when I would rather just play golf. 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Jily Wily on January 20, 2010, 09:14:57 AM
I concur players shouldn't have to work while playing and the tourney's I've been to that alternative placements have taken place on, the people who moved the baskets were not playing...

Two of the tourney's were actually DD tourney's, one they had alternate Tee's, the other a combo of alternate tee's and pins that were already in place but covered so the only thing the non-playing volunteer did was remove the cover and re-cover the used pin. Tee placements were already clearly marked for both rounds before the start.

Don't forget - running from one course to another could be like working for a player, too... (Unless they get extra time - like if the drive is 20 minutes they get 30 to drive and an hour for lunch.)

Just throwing thoughts out there... All tourneys have their stronger points and kinks that need to be worked on.  KC does have a lot of nice courses to play different ones each round. I have not played in KC since they new ones started going in and I'm looking forward to getting to know the new ones. Shawnee is the only new one I've played and it was cool having Deer walking off the course so I could throw and then just wandered back out after like they knew what I was doing.  The one round I played on my "Tour" that I didn't bring my camera, go figure...
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on January 20, 2010, 09:35:52 AM
Ok maybe I should put it this way.   I don't think a  player should be expected to "WORK" at a tournament.  Not saying we'll have alot of out of towners but I know I don't like having a job to do when I would rather just play golf. 

I've moved plenty of baskets at events I was playing in and really didn't mind but this was in KC on a club course and was asked to do it personally. I do think it would be impolite to ask a random player to move a basket at the end of the round now that I think about it. Better to assign the duty to a volunteer(s). Come to think of it, I seem to remember playing an event where people were asked ot do this and several didn't. So the second round pin changes never happened. That's not good...
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dickthediscparker on January 20, 2010, 11:08:57 AM
agreed.  See.  I'm not THAT useless :) .  I personally will have different pins to play at the KAN U WYCO march 14th. ONLY 85 spots left!  Help learn a course before you may possibly be playing it in the KC WIDE OPEN !!!  . 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dickthediscparker on January 20, 2010, 11:50:44 AM
I am going to ask DEANO or MIKE D if they will let me use their golf cart to take care of that.  I would appreciate the help for sure.   AND  so would the people who run the...  KC WIDE OPEN!  :)  Sorry, THIS way I can't be blamed for getting off topic.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on January 20, 2010, 02:03:47 PM
I would actually like to see the 2011 and 2012 KCWO go to a format with separate Am and Pro weekends. I think it would help in recruiting volunteers from each group to help with the other event.
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I think that idea has some merit for sure, and I know it has been talked about.  It really follows the NT format much better as well.  Have the Am event the weekend before, and then maximize the Pro the next.  It hurts in some traveling issues, but it helps locally not to strain as much, but you also have a bunch more work to do as it is 2 events instead of 1.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Brad Lenheim on January 21, 2010, 08:12:13 PM
This is just a thought why doesnt someone post a poll that everyone can vote on and the majority rules as to what option we pick.  Then when that is decied, we poll what courses to use and we let the people who look at the site! be apart of making this decission for it.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: porkchop on January 22, 2010, 02:58:01 PM
Some more thoughts from North of the Boarder …… I like the 3 or 4 course options, playing 4 rounds.
I like the 3 course option the best, however I dislike the idea of playing the same course the same day, as that makes one day boaring; I like the chance to clear the brain before I attack a course for a second time. One of the best events in Iowa is LOD, a two day event played on 2 courses; you play both courses each day.

It would look something like this ...... Ex) Pool A – Course A, Course B; Course C, Course A ..... Pool B – Course B, Course C; Course A, Course B

I also dislike the idea of playing BV in a four round event; I would also exclude Olathe and Shawnee Mission. The ideal courses to me would be 3 of either Water Works, Cliff Drive, Swope, Rosedale or Wyco. I would def want Wyco and WW.

Just a few more cents from Des Moines ...... take it for what it’s worth
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: coops on February 16, 2010, 07:50:21 PM
Anything ever decided on this?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on February 17, 2010, 09:39:55 AM
If so, I doubt that it would get posted on here.  Once the finalization process comes along, I am sure that there will be a flyer announcing the decision of courses, and what divisions.

You really can not run an event online in a forum.  You have to figure out what makes the most sense for you as the TD, and your staff that will help to make those determinations.

we are spoiled in that almost all of our courses are pretty darn sweet, so regardless of the course configuration, you will have a fun tmie, with challenging courses to test your game.

I would imagine that a flyer would be oput relatively shortly though as we are fast approaching the kick off to leagues!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on March 22, 2010, 07:28:22 PM
Online registration for the Kansas City Wide Open is now open at discgolfworld.com:

http://discgolfworld.com/product.asp?mscssid=39CK4HFDELXJ8K2EELH51FSKNK2H9RV4&q=2010+k&x=0&y=0

Coming soon will be registration at dynamicdiscs.com.

You can also pay with cash, check, or money order at Disc Golf World.

Fliers and registration forms coming soon.

RR
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: David E on March 28, 2010, 09:01:05 PM
Didn't see this anywhere else in the post:

The 28th Annual KC Wide Open is June 19-20 and will be played on three classic courses:
Water Works
Rosedale Original
Swope
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on March 30, 2010, 01:24:32 PM
Thanks Dave. I was remiss in not pointing that out. We've not established the order in which the courses will be played yet, but we do know that Pool A will play Swope twice on Sunday, with a final nine for the top open players. Pool A will definitely consist of the the open men and women's divisions, and likely, the rest of the pros. However, it's a numbers game, so this might change depending on registrations by division.

Pool B will be primarily advanced players and Pool C will be intermediates, recs, and juniors. This will become clearer as we begin to fill.

Stayed tuned for sponsorship opportunities and other updates.

Rick

Didn't see this anywhere else in the post:

The 28th Annual KC Wide Open is June 19-20 and will be played on three classic courses:
Water Works
Rosedale Original
Swope
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: thankyoupeter on April 15, 2010, 11:06:18 AM
Rick-

Is the Flex Start doubles at Rosedale taking place on Friday June 18th?  I was unsure from the flyer.  Thanks.

Kevin
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on April 15, 2010, 11:38:03 AM
It looks as though that is the case, though I am not Rick......

You bring up a good point though.....
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on April 15, 2010, 08:43:51 PM
Yes.

Rick-

Is the Flex Start doubles at Rosedale taking place on Friday June 18th?  I was unsure from the flyer.  Thanks.

Kevin
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on April 21, 2010, 04:26:57 PM
We're in need of some full color art for InnColor discs and possibly, on shirts. If interested, let me know.

Thanks,

Rick
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: tallguy007kc on April 26, 2010, 10:49:24 AM
Was just curious....Looked out on the Registration site, and noticed only 10 showing as signed up.  I'm sure there's more, and didn't see myself on there yet.  Was just wondering how many have signed up so far, and when it will get updated to show who's in.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on April 27, 2010, 11:11:58 AM
Was just curious....Looked out on the Registration site, and noticed only 10 showing as signed up.  I'm sure there's more, and didn't see myself on there yet.  Was just wondering how many have signed up so far, and when it will get updated to show who's in.

James...I just re-sent your registration information to Jeremy Rusco, who is keeping that updated. We received one more pre-registration via DGW. I suspect the list will be updated shortly.

By day's end, sponsorship forms will be ready with options from $30 to $750. The popular get your employer to sponsor and pay your entry fee tee sign option is only $200 this year.  More on this to come.

Rick
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 05, 2010, 11:12:31 AM
Although a B-Tier this year, we're promising A-Tier amenities, which translates into adding at least $1500 in cash to the pro purse, as well as providing ams with 110% of their entry fees in prize value, of which $25 worth will be in the players package. Please take a look at the various levels of sponsorship below and see if any work for you. There is a "bird dog" fee available for those who bring in larger sponsors. For you with jobs, please get with your employer about possibly sponsoring the event with a tee sign, which includes your entry fee. Please get with me if you want to knock on any doors.

Here's a link to the sponsorship form: http://icebowlhq.com/docs/2010KCWOsponsorship.pdf

Thanks,

Rick

Sponsorship Options for the 2010 Kansas City Wide Open—Countdown to Thirty


• Individual Sponsor—$30: Your name will be listed in the tournament program plus you will receive a tournament-stamped premium disc. Choose from Champion Katanas, Star Ontario Rocs, Star Rocs Plus, Champion Teebirds Plus, Champion Glo Gazelles, Champion Glo Whippets, Champion Glo Destroyers, and Champion Gators.

• Tee Sign Sponsor—$100: Your name and/or one-color logo is on a custom tee sign that is yours to keep at the tournament’s conclusion. A tee sign will be be placed at the course of your choice where it will be the seen by that course’s competitors, as well as spectators. In addition, all tee signs will be set up near tournament headquarters during the showcase final round.

• Tee Sign Sponsor With Entry Paid—$200: Talk to you boss about sponsoring the tournament and paying your entry fee at the same time. Your name and/or one-color logo is on a custom tee sign that is yours to keep at the tournament’s conclusion. A tee sign will be be placed at the course of your choice where it will be the seen by that course’s competitors, as well as spectators. In addition, all tee signs will be set up near tournament headquarters during the showcase final round.

• 1/4 Page Ad in the Tournament Program—$50: You receive a 2” x 2.5” space in the tournament program that goes to each player and will be available to spectators.

• 1/2 Page Ad in the Tournament Program—$100: You receive a 4” x 5” space in the tournament program that goes to each player and will be available to spectators.

• Full Page Ad in the Tournament Program—$200: You receive a 5” x 8” space in the tournament program that goes to each player and will be available to spectators.

• Birdie Sponsor—$165: One tournament tee sign and one 1/2 page ad in the Tournament Program.

• Eagle Sponsor—$320: Two tournament tee signs and one full-page ad in the Tournament Program.

• Banner Sponsor—$400:  A 3’ x 6’ banner display featuring your name and/or logo and a 1/2 page ad in the Tournament Program
The banner will be seen by all the players and spectators and is yours to keep after the event. Banner sponsors also receive an official tournament shirt.

• Tee Shirt Sponsor—$400:  Limited to four sponsors. Your logo will be included on the performance shirts that will go to every amateur player, and possibly, every pro as well.

• Showcase Final Nine Sponsor—$750: We’re expecting over 500 spectators for Sunday’s nine-hole showcase final round at Swope Park that will feature the best four open pro competitors. We will name this round for you, reserve the back cover of the program, dress the course to maximize your exposure, and tailor the rest of the package to your satisfaction.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Seansponsoredam on May 25, 2010, 06:58:16 AM
No news lately on the 28th Annual Wide Open.  Anything interesting to post Rick, pre-registration, art work, players pack?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Eric on May 28, 2010, 07:31:30 AM
Is there a player cap on this rick? I prob wont be able to register til next week.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on May 28, 2010, 09:34:34 AM
I would imagine the cap is at 270 (90 players across 3 courses).
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: hyzerponix on May 28, 2010, 04:01:15 PM
There is no reason to have 5 players per card in an area that has more tournament viable courses than you can shake a stick at.

Including Cliff Drive... ;)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 28, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
?

What course will be played twice per Pool?


Other than most of the pros playing both rounds at Swope on Sunday, things may changes. However, we're leaning towards having most of the advanced players playing Rosey twice on Sunday, with the ints/recs at WW twice on Sunday. Each pool would play the other two courses on Saturday, with the sequence to be determined. When I say "most" means that some smaller divisions might end up in a different pool.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kcRhyno on May 28, 2010, 06:12:59 PM
I assume the temp holes will be used at WW?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 28, 2010, 07:00:57 PM
I assume the temp holes will be used at WW?

If the construction hasn't been completed, yes.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kcRhyno on May 30, 2010, 09:04:05 PM
do you have a time frame for tee times yet?  Was curious what time the second round would be starting for AMs
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on May 31, 2010, 09:29:34 PM
I would assume that times will depend on how many people are playing.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Leo D. on June 01, 2010, 10:42:31 AM
Where will the water jugs be during the 2nd round?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Tom on June 01, 2010, 11:03:48 AM
What color are the score cards gonna be  ???


Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: hyzerponix on June 01, 2010, 01:46:13 PM
What color are the score cards gonna be  ???




Also, what font?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: CD on June 01, 2010, 04:13:41 PM
What color are the score cards gonna be  ???
Also, what font?

The real question is what will my first round score be  ???

MR. KcRhyno, we're just kidding of course - it's a little too early to tell what time the second round will start but it usually falls around 2 o'clock, maybe 2:30 depending on giving the folks with the last card turned in an hour for lunch.  The first card turned in could generally end up with nearly 1-1/2 hrs for lunch  :o
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kcRhyno on June 01, 2010, 04:50:04 PM
Yea, I figured it would be something like that. Doesn't matter to me anymore though, just found out I have to work sat.  Guess I can try for the MAO
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: discwrangler on June 02, 2010, 09:09:12 PM
What color are the score cards gonna be  ???




Also, what font?

Man, you guys are needed!   ;D ;D ;D

I would like to know what the course schedule will be.  Any updates available?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Ken Franks on June 02, 2010, 09:18:44 PM
Can't believe we're not playing Cliff....
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on June 02, 2010, 11:41:35 PM
What color are the score cards gonna be  ???




Also, what font?

Man, you guys are needed!   ;D ;D ;D

I would like to know what the course schedule will be.  Any updates available?

Tanner, that's a bit up in the air still, but Rick and I talked about it earlier this week, and Pros will probably play Swope twice on Sunday.   Swope will play as a par 59/60 (hoping for an SSA of 55 to 56) with artificial rope OB on some holes.  I'm still working on the exact configuration, but the pins will be set the Monday before the WO, and (hopefully) the OB will be finished by that Thursday. 

We think that in the interest of time, Swope will be a slightly shorter configuration (#13 from the short tee, no more than 3 shorter pin placements) for the other 2 pools on Saturday and the 1st round for the pros on Sunday.  I would love to have Swope tipped out with rope on every hole, but you just can't play 2 4 hour rounds in a day and still play a final 9.

Waterworks will be the shortest of the 3 courses (with an SSA in the 50 range I bet), with Rosedale set up slightly shorter than the Worlds layout (SSA around 53).
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Tom on June 03, 2010, 08:14:27 AM
Attention all advanced masters considering playing the KCWO!

I just spoke with Ron Kleinmo, and he is graciously adding over $200 in new merchandise to be used exclusively for the advanced masters payout!  8)

If you were on the fence about playing, this ADDED payout will make the advanced masters payout huge.  8)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Eric on June 08, 2010, 10:17:11 PM
Tried signing up online but something is weird with my password for DGW??? I tried the send my password deal but just keeps sending blank emails???? Anyhoo. I will just register when I bring my league money down saturday Rick.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: discwrangler on June 09, 2010, 07:54:01 AM
Thanks Timko!

I'm also wondering what added cash might be looking like.  Typical B-tier or above that?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 09, 2010, 11:28:14 AM
If people who are intending to play, would register, we could better able to come up with a definitive schedule. There are currently  60 or so people signed up. If this number does not get much above 80. We'll have a single pool.

Admittedly, this is unlikely. So, projecting 150 to 160 players, we have two pools.

But let's be optimistic, and assume we'll reach at least 180 players. So, here's a TENTATIVE* schedule:

Pool A: all pro divisions (currently 15 in the pool)
Rd 1: Water Works
Rd 2: Rosedale
Rd 3: Swope
Rd 4: Swope

Pool B: all advanced divisions (currently 23 in the pool)
Rd 1: Swope
Rd 2: Water Works
Rd 3: Rosedale
Rd 4: Rosedale

Pool C: all intermediate, rec, and junior divisions (currently 24 in the pool)
Rd 1: Rosedale
Rd 2: Swope
Rd 3: Water Works
Rd 4: Water Works

More later on actual times.

Party will be at Rosedale Saturday.

Stay tuned for more announcements.

*This is a tentative plan. Depending on how many people register in which divisions, these pools might be altered.

Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 09, 2010, 11:40:41 AM
Thanks Timko!

I'm also wondering what added cash might be looking like.  Typical B-tier or above that?

Although a B-Tier, we're hoping to provide A-Tier amenities, which means $1500 added to the pro purse.

Towards that end, we have custom stamped Champion Katanas, Champion Gators, Glow Champion Destroyers, Glow Champion Whippet-Xs, and Glow Champion Gazelles for sale at DGW for only $20. For $10 more, you'll be listed in the program as a tournament sponsor.

Also, have some tournament stamped  XG (extra grippy) Bosses, Champion Teebird Plus, Star Ontario Rocs, Star Roc Plus, and DX San Marino and Ontario Rocs for sale with the proceeds directed to the Wide Open.

For those with jobs and perhaps some funding, tee signs sponsorship is only $100. Get your employer aboard as a tee sign sponsor for $200 and get your entry fee paid.

Rick



Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 09, 2010, 11:41:27 AM
Tried signing up online but something is weird with my password for DGW??? I tried the send my password deal but just keeps sending blank emails???? Anyhoo. I will just register when I bring my league money down saturday Rick.

Or you can just give us a call.

Rick
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: discwrangler on June 09, 2010, 12:12:11 PM
Thanks Rick.  I'll be signing up shortly.  And probably buying some Glow Destroyers. 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dickthediscparker on June 09, 2010, 12:17:45 PM
There are only 25 signed up for the Peoria tournament the same weekend.  And it is an A tier.  I think the KCwide may beat them out!  At least we are currently :)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: hyzerponix on June 09, 2010, 01:58:31 PM
Can't believe we're not playing Cliff....

As I understand it, Rick "The Eternal Optimist" Rothstein had concerns about the playability of some of the wooded holes if it were to rain that weekend. ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: CD on June 09, 2010, 03:07:28 PM
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Can't believe we're not playing Cliff....

CD *likes* CD  :'(
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on June 09, 2010, 03:27:11 PM
CD likes Swope too.  Don't lie.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: otter on June 09, 2010, 04:47:47 PM
What's a Champion Tee Bird Plus?  ???  A different mold, or a typo??
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: John Chapman on June 09, 2010, 04:51:02 PM
Can't believe we're not playing Cliff....

As I understand it, Rick "The Eternal Optimist" Rothstein had concerns about the playability of some of the wooded holes if it were to rain that weekend. ;D

He has reason to worry.  We had some problems at Worlds with Cliff in the rain on that first day. Now they eventually worked themselves out, basically because we received excellent the rest of the week. I like Cliff also, but people still come to KC to play the 3 biggies, Swope, Rosey, and WW.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kcRhyno on June 09, 2010, 05:02:45 PM
I know rosie is old and traditional, but if CD where played more, I would think people would really enjoy it more so than rosedale.  I can't really think ppl come just for those 3,  swope and WW I understand, but rosie, really?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Captklank on June 09, 2010, 05:37:36 PM
I know rosie is old and traditional, but if CD where played more, I would think people would really enjoy it more so than rosedale.  I can't really think ppl come just for those 3,  swope and WW I understand, but rosie, really?



CD gets played enough,Just ask him!!!!!!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 09, 2010, 09:15:42 PM
Cliff Drive is awesome and I love it, but i am ecstatic Rosie is being used for KCWO. Cliff has been used for a ton of events the last 2 years.  I don't know why people dog on Rosie-it is a sweet course and when extended has some awesome and challenging holes.  Me living 3 minutes away has nothing to do with my opinion on this i swear ;D  Regardless, every year different courses are used and it is always changing, so I see no point in ever complaining about the courses used for a particular tourney, because they will all be in play at some point or another. Did I mention i can walk to Rosie?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kcRhyno on June 09, 2010, 09:30:33 PM
Have other courses been used in the Wide Open?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: John Chapman on June 09, 2010, 10:47:47 PM
Have other courses been used in the Wide Open?

Courses that have been used in previous Wide Opens (that I remember):

Shawnee Mission Park (home to the 1st Wide Open)
Swope
Rosedale
Water Works
Prairie Center
Cliff Drive
Blue Valley
Wyco


Courses in the area that haven't:

English Landing
Old Pike
Young Park
Legacy Park
Pleasant Hill
Thornfield
Ted's Dread
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Ken Franks on June 10, 2010, 08:02:30 AM
Cliff Drive is awesome and I love it, but i am ecstatic Rosie is being used for KCWO. Cliff has been used for a ton of events the last 2 years.  I don't know why people dog on Rosie-it is a sweet course and when extended has some awesome and challenging holes.  Me living 3 minutes away has nothing to do with my opinion on this i swear ;D  Regardless, every year different courses are used and it is always changing, so I see no point in ever complaining about the courses used for a particular tourney, because they will all be in play at some point or another. Did I mention i can walk to Rosie?

  Ummm, maybe cause there's usually 7 hundred THOUSAND people playing out there on any giving day, mostly in 10-somes... Ummmm, I also have issues with throwing on disc altering rocks in the middle of fairways and greens....etc..

 I live 2 minutes from Rosie also, and you'll see me driving to Blue Springs for Wednesday night league!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: bensdadfred on June 10, 2010, 09:32:11 AM
             Rosie had it's day in the light! I would have to agree with Kenny on this one, those rock laden fairways and greens SUCK!! The course is laid out well and does have it's purpose but foot traffic and erosion over the years has exposed more and more of those F-ING ROCKS and did I mention they SUCK!! You all don't have to, but I like having 10x, 8x, and even older rocs and other discs in my bag and you just can't throw that out there without increasing the risk(over EVERY other course in the metro area)of possibly ending their flight life short from a throw that was otherwise, well...beautiful.
             We have a LOT of courses here now. Let's let Rosie be the casual, rec player course that it has evolved to!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: twoDornottwoD on June 10, 2010, 10:07:56 AM
i too am disappointed we are not using cliff for the wide open but i feel the need to mention cliff has a lot of places to cut up discs as well (cliffs/rocks/and reservoir fence).  i also believe rosie is a great course tipped out but tend to agree with fred.  lets let the casuals keep that one and hopefully move up someday in the future.  i do disagree with chappy though.  people who travel to kc for disc golf have various reasons for choosing the course they play.  as he stated, some for sentimental reasons, some for location, and some want to play the best three courses they can.  i remember my first trip to kc to play the wide open and how disappointed i was playing swope twice.  hopefully timko's rope will help though i will say i'm not a fan of rope (Except for hand rails to climb hills  ;D). 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dogundertheporch on June 10, 2010, 10:34:41 AM
Why is there no WYCO??? Nobody likes to throw long anymore??? Whats the deal???
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Simpson on June 10, 2010, 10:38:27 AM
Why is there no WYCO??? Nobody likes to throw long anymore??? Whats the deal???

Rosie is at a respectable length in its current setup. WW will be a little short, but there's also going be some good length the way Swope will be set up. I like length too, but I also like being required to throw accurately. Wyco isn't as good at that. It's mostly about being really good at 200-foot upshots.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dickthediscparker on June 10, 2010, 10:40:51 AM
I have proven Wyco can be fun.  I didn't even go as far as I wanted to with it.  But I know there is a sick course in them there flat lands!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Simpson on June 10, 2010, 10:48:18 AM
You're right. It played well for your tournament. Some of those holes just need to decide whether they're 3s or 4s. Which you helped do.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on June 10, 2010, 10:49:31 AM
Artificial OB goes a long ways to making an open course place a premium on accuracy...
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Simpson on June 10, 2010, 11:04:46 AM
Yeah, which is why I don't have a problem with it, at all. Who cares whether God put the boundaries there or rope did? Plus, ball golf courses basically destroy the land they're on and rebuild it to their liking. Not much different, IMO.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 10, 2010, 12:15:56 PM

Excellent point made about the rocks Ken and Fred-they suck indeed.  As far as groups of 10 rec players, i think you underestimate this.  i saw a group of 14 the other day ;D  However,  that only affects casual play and league unfortunately, the course will be closed to the public during any tourney and thus that fact is a non-issue!  Carpools to Blue Springs on Wednesday nights!!!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on June 10, 2010, 02:36:38 PM
Just throw CE discs Fred.  They don't really get hurt by anything ;).

I do agree with you on how rocks can tear up that 10x plastic.  I really like the older (late 90's/early 2000's) dx plastic for Rocs, and it just gets shredded on a couple holes at Rosey.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: David E on June 10, 2010, 02:51:31 PM
Rosie is at a respectable length in its current setup. WW will be a little short, but there's also going be some good length the way Swope will be set up. I like length too, but I also like being required to throw accurately. Wyco isn't as good at that. It's mostly about being really good at 200-foot upshots.
Unless you throw 400 ft+ with accuracy!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Simpson on June 10, 2010, 02:57:00 PM
I had a feeling someone would come back with that  :)

To which I respond, that still only puts you within 150 on a lot of those holes. I dunno, I just hate tweener holes (and yes, I'm assuming that we're talking about the kind of D most of us mortals have).
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Ken Franks on June 10, 2010, 09:34:56 PM
Artificial OB goes a long ways to making an open course place a premium on accuracy...

 where's the "Clap for approval" Emoticon?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Eric on June 10, 2010, 09:45:14 PM

 Carpools to Blue Springs on Wednesday nights!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Ken Franks on June 10, 2010, 10:12:47 PM

 Carpools to Blue Springs on Wednesday nights!!!

 ;D

 That's a gergative....The more, the merrier!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 11, 2010, 10:38:04 AM
Rick-what time-range is the flex-start dubs on Friday?  Also, may I partner with my beard?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 11, 2010, 10:39:41 AM
HELP WANTED FOR THE KANSAS CITY WIDE OPEN

We'll be needing spotters for each round at the Wide Open at every course. Special consideration given to those who can work all rounds. However, everyone who works will get some tournament plastic. Of course, the real reward is being part of a fun historical event.

Rick
816.471.3472
816.914.0094
rick@discgolfworld.com
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 11, 2010, 10:43:05 AM
Rick-what time-range is the flex-start dubs on Friday?  Also, may I partner with my beard?

Let's call it from 11:00 to 4:30.

Actually, we've hired your beard to service the staff and thus will not be available for disc golf play that day.

R
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: tallguy007kc on June 11, 2010, 11:05:43 AM
I think I already know this, but, the dubs and check-in will be at Rosey, correct?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 11, 2010, 11:21:32 AM
Hopefully, I'll get everything finalized and get an email out to the players who have signed up by Monday.

But yes, check-in and player package pick up will be at Rosey starting at 10 a.m. at the shelter.

R
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jamidanger on June 11, 2010, 12:19:43 PM
i'll volunteer WW on saturday am, gotta work that night and can be where-ever on sunday am. question:can i still play doubles even though i'm not playing the KCWO??
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: sirbronco on June 11, 2010, 12:21:41 PM
Rick -

I will stop by DGW on my way home from work and talk with you about where you may need me.

Van
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: CD on June 11, 2010, 05:01:29 PM
Let's call it from 11:00 to 4:30.

I plan on shooting dubs with Arturo, and we MAY start by 4:30 even though the PDF flyer says Noon to 6pm. The entry form PDF does not say what times.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 14, 2010, 07:45:35 AM
If you are intending to play the Wide Open, please register right away or let me know that you intend to play and what size shirt you wear. We are hoping to get shirts to all players (even pros).

Thanks,

Rick the TD
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: discwrangler on June 14, 2010, 12:26:43 PM
Just signed up over the phone with DGW. 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: CD on June 14, 2010, 01:37:19 PM
Thanks for the nudge...  I signed up online over the weekend and will need a size L shirt, please.

Also, please hit me up for a $30 Individual Sponsor fee next time you see me. I don't know how many you have to this point, but I challenge any/all our locals to support this event as we "Countdown to 30"  :D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Eric on June 14, 2010, 07:22:23 PM
Does the doubles cost extra if you are already paid and registered for WO?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 14, 2010, 07:25:34 PM
30 bucks for pros

20 for ams.

100 percent payback
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on June 16, 2010, 12:51:07 PM
http://picasaweb.google.com/cstimko/Golf#5483427541638240994 (http://picasaweb.google.com/cstimko/Golf#5483427541638240994)

Image of the Swope Set up for the KC Wide Open

Yellow - Pins
Red - Tees
Gold - OB Rope
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: coops on June 16, 2010, 06:52:37 PM
Let's call it from 11:00 to 4:30.

I plan on shooting dubs with Arturo, and we MAY start by 4:30 even though the PDF flyer says Noon to 6pm. The entry form PDF does not say what times.

So what's the call here, 4:30 or 6?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 16, 2010, 07:18:35 PM
All the emails from the last 2 days state 5:00PM.  Team Humblebeard (color change represents teammate's hair color/thirst for blood on golf course) will be there to tee at 5:00PM sharp in the advanced division.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Eric on June 16, 2010, 08:25:20 PM
Hopefully, I'll get everything finalized and get an email out to the players who have signed up by Monday.

But yes, check-in and player package pick up will be at Rosey starting at 10 a.m. at the shelter.

R

What day??? Friday?? I havent received an email or seen anything posted.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Brad Lenheim on June 16, 2010, 08:49:13 PM
Alright so I went ahead and signed up to play! but now where to I go to find out what course I need to show up at on Saturday Morning?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 16, 2010, 09:27:39 PM
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What day??? Friday?? I havent received an email or seen anything posted.

HERE IS RICK'S EMAIL FROM TODAY:


Hello Wide Open Entrants,

Since I wrote yesterday, the tournament has grown to 118 paid players. Not sure if we'll keep growing by 25 a day, but I'm remain hopeful that we will end up with at least 180 players. Thanks to each of you for choosing the Wide Open.

Attached are the course rules for the three courses. They have not been vetted by a couple of the course experts in town yet, but I believe the basic information is solid, If something doesn't make sense to you, please let me know.

At the end of this email, I've listed Friday’s and Saturday’s schedule for the benefit of those who have signed up during the last day and did not get yesterday's email.

I forgot to mention yesterday that we will be using two new holes at Water Works because a water main is being installed, making holes 2 and 3 impossible to play. As you'll see, we now have holes 12A and 16A instead.

That’s all for now. Please let others know that the 2010 Wide Open has room for more players and they should come to Kansas City if they like playing wonderful courses and having a good time.

See everyone soon,

Rick



On 6/14/10 1:26 PM, "Rick Rothstein" <rick@discgolfworld.com> wrote:


Friday Check-in:
10 am - 8 pm. Rosedale
11 am - 5 pm  Flex start doubles

Note: if you're not arriving until Saturday, you can check in at your course. If this applies to you, please let me know that you will not be checking in on Friday.



AS MENTIONED: DEPENDING ON THE FINAL NUMBERS, THE FOLLOWING MIGHT CHANGE.

Pool A will consist of all professional divisions. Rd 1 – Water Works, Rd 2 – Rosedale, Rds 3, 4 - Swope

Pool B will consist of all advanced divisions. Rd 1 – Swope, Rd 2 – Water Works, Rds 3, 4 - Rosedale

Pool C will consist of all intermediate, recreational, and junior divisions. Rd 1 – Rosedale, Rd 2 – Swope, Rds 3, 4 – Water Works

There will players meetings at EACH Course.

Saturday, June 19
 8:30 am    Players Meeting     All Courses
 8:50 am    Tee Off             All course

 1:45 pm    Players Meeting     All courses
 2:00 pm    Tee Off             All courses

 6:30 p.m. Players Party (pizza, beverages, games, tunes, fun)  Rosedale

Sunday's schedule will be in the program, but we'll be teeing earlier than Saturday
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Eric on June 16, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Thanks Spencer!!!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Tom on June 17, 2010, 10:14:15 AM
As of this morning 105 shown on the PDGA site for the A tier in Peoria this weekend and 139 for the KCWO.  8)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: CD on June 17, 2010, 10:30:33 AM
...and counting...
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Ken Franks on June 17, 2010, 10:36:38 AM
heading down to DGW now and get signed up...!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: The Bird Father on June 17, 2010, 07:43:00 PM
For those who do not have e-mail access, this was the latest I recieved today...I noticed the info on here was lacking.  I also hope the program and rule book will be handed out at registration tomorrow.

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As of right now, the Wide Open is 155 players. Thanks for your pre-registrations.

Attached to this email is a PDF copy of the tournament program that includes the courses rules and the schedule. Also attached is a PDF of the scorecards.

There has been one change from the pre-event publicity in that there will not be a final nine for the top four open players. After we played the Swope layout, which has been toughened with some new holes and fairway tightening OB rope, we realized that the final 9 could not be included and still get people on the road in at a reasonable time. We hope to return to a showcase final in future Wide Opens.

One other piece of business has to to with the pro players only. The Wide Open will qualify two players for the Vibram Open that will be held in August in Massachusetts. If you want to compete for these two spots, you must let me know before the tournament begins. (An email would be preferred.) You'll have one month after the Wide Open to pay for your spot.

Just a reminder that we'll be setting up check-in tomorrow at the shelter at Rosedale Park at 10 am and will be there until 8 pm. If you can possibly check in and pick up your players package on Friday, that would be great. If not able to make it, let me know. (Thanks to those who have done this already.)

Starting at 11 am tomorrow at Rosedale, you can play in the flex-start, bring-you-partner doubles. It will be one round of best-shot that costs $20 for ams and $30 for pros. You must start play by 5 pm.

Other than that, please travel safely. If you have any questions before or during the event, please give me a call at 816.914.0094.

Thanks for choosing the KC Wide Open.

Rick
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 17, 2010, 08:02:08 PM
It's my guess that the 10-15 registered players without email access do not have access to this board either. The no-frills program that will be handed out when players check in does contain the course rules, holes lengths, pars,  and schedule  An actual PDGA rule book will not be in the player package, which includes a Money Putter from ABC Discs, a dry fit shirt with the tournament logo, a disc-golf themed bumper sticker, and a Saturday-evening party at Rosey.

If anyone out here still wishes to play, they can continue to register at dynamicdiscs.com, or at Disc Golf World, and at Rosedale from 10-8 tomorrow. It's our preference not to sign up people on Saturday. If anyone can't pay before Saturday and still wants to play, a phone call to me at 816.914.0094 would be helpful.

Good luck to all the players in this year's Wide Open.

Rick




For those who do not have e-mail access, this was the latest I recieved today...I noticed the info on here was lacking.  I also hope the program and rule book will be handed out at registration tomorrow.

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Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Dan Weinert on June 17, 2010, 08:20:30 PM
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Starting at 11 am tomorrow at Rosedale, you can play in the flex-start, bring-you-partner doubles. It will be one round of best-shot that costs $20 for ams and $30 for pros. You must start play by 5 pm.

Does this effect my work day mulching duties tomorrow starting 4:00ish?

DcW  ??? ::) ???
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Twister66 on June 17, 2010, 08:54:45 PM
Dan, I don't think it should stop you. 

Andy and Dave thanks for "finding" that hole and making it more visable.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Tom on June 18, 2010, 07:01:30 AM
It's the KCWO eve  ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 18, 2010, 09:00:45 AM
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Starting at 11 am tomorrow at Rosedale, you can play in the flex-start, bring-you-partner doubles. It will be one round of best-shot that costs $20 for ams and $30 for pros. You must start play by 5 pm.

Does this effect my work day mulching duties tomorrow starting 4:00ish?

DcW  ??? ::) ???

Negative, it does not, let the mulching proceed.....and a big thanks to those helpers that are allowing me the chance to play....
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Dan Weinert on June 18, 2010, 09:48:29 AM
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Negative, it does not, let the mulching proceed.....and a big thanks to those helpers that are allowing me the chance to play....

10-4

Still need Mulch Forkers...4:00ish FREE BEER! (Did I mention FREE BEER!!)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Eric on June 18, 2010, 07:58:42 PM
Is there a link for the dubs scores?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Mr. Sir on June 18, 2010, 08:46:11 PM
How many spots are going to be payed out for the AM DBLS? When and where? thanks
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jamidanger on June 18, 2010, 10:14:30 PM
dunno the dubs scores, me n hart: shot six down
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 18, 2010, 11:47:22 PM
Am prizes can be redeemed at the Dynamic Discs RV, which will be at Swope during play tomorrow and back at Rosedale for the party. It will be back at Swope on Sunday. Prizes need to picked up by Sunday afternoon.

T1     
   Marshall Wolfe and    Andy Lewis    MA1    49    
   
   
   49    
    $      60.00
T1    
   Caleb and    Matt    MA1    49    
   
   
   49    
    $      60.00
T1    
   Hans and    Nate    MA1    49    
   
   
   49    
    $      60.00
T4    
   Chris and    John Sheafer    MA1    50    
   
   
   50    
    $      50.00
T4    
   Mark and    Leif Swenson    MA1    50    
   
   
   50    
    $      50.00
T4    
   Kevin and    Cooper    MA1    50    
   
   
   50    
    $      50.00
7    
   Eric M and    Mike K    MA1    51    
   
   
   51    
    $      50.00
T8    
   Parlee and    Seth    MA1    52    
   
   
   52    
    $      35.00
T8    
   Lowe and    Zentz    MA1    52    
   
   
   52    
    $      35.00
T8    
   Spencer and    Matt    MA1    52    
   
   
   52    
    $      35.00
11    
   Nick Biggerstaff and    Eric Eastwood    MA1    53    
   
   
   53    
    $      30.00
T12    
   Branden Tuhey and    Billy Epperson    MA1    54    
   
   
   54    
    $      22.00
T12    
   Tony and    Andy    MA1    54    
   
   
   54    
    $      22.00
T12    
   Team LSDD    
   
   54    
   
   
   54    
    $      22.00
T15    
   Farmir and     Kekec    
   55    
   
   
   55    
    
T15    
   Juan and    Cecil    
   55    
   
   
   55    
    
T17    
   Phil and    Mike    
   56    
   
   
   56    
    
T17    
   Mark Mills and    Miles McKee    
   56    
   
   
   56    
    
T17    
   Brandon Duncan and    Rick Nichols    
   56    
   
   
   56    
    
T17    
   Bryan and     Bob    
   56    
   
   
   56    
    
21    
   Michael Bailey and     Shean Chancellor    57    
   
   
   57    
    
T22    
   Caleb Coffman and    Doug Kroll    
   58    
   
   
   58    
    
T22    
   Doke and    Doke    
   58    
   
   
   58    
    
24    
   Frank and    Beat    
   59    
   
   
   59    
    
T25    
   Todd and    Nick    
   60    
   
   
   60    
    
T25    
   Adam and    Dustin Day    
   60    
   
   
   60    
    
T27    
   Barnard and    Gassen    
   61    
   
   
   61    
    
T27    
   Michael and     Cory    
   61    
   
   
   61    
    
29    
   Becky and    Angie    
   65    
   
   
   65    
    


Pro:


1    
   Arturo and    CD    MPO    45    
   
   
   45    
    $      90.00
2    
   K Hart and    Jamie Berry    MPO    48    
   
   
   48    
    
3    
   S Elliott and    Drew Neitzel    MPO    50    
   
   
   50    
    


Jeremy Rusco
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: hyzerponix on June 19, 2010, 06:18:35 AM
Holy sh!t look at all the baggin' at the top of the Am card. :o
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: The Bird Father on June 19, 2010, 06:49:52 AM
I don't think it's bagging if you have 2 bogies on your score card....dang all we had to do was par hole 9 or 18 and could have taken it.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: hyzerponix on June 19, 2010, 07:07:38 AM
Eric and I only had one bogey on #1, we missed easy deuce puts on #10 too, so that's 2 strokes we could've improved on. Eric had lots of great drives and that's what carried us. I'm still super happy with our score! ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: sirbronco on June 19, 2010, 09:22:09 PM
About a dozen discs were turned in today at all 3 courses of the Wide Open.  I have reached out to everyone that had their phone # on their disc, but many did not have a name/number.  All lost and found discs will be taken to Swope for the Award Ceremony, and then taken to DGW.  I would post what they are, but I dont have them in front of me. 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kcRhyno on June 19, 2010, 09:48:21 PM
How many aces where hit today at water works?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 19, 2010, 10:00:14 PM
Spencer's disc golf highlights today (played disc golf 12 years):

1)Recorded my first ever triple circle 9. SWEET!
2)Only losing to the 1st place recreational player by 13 strokes, SUPER SWEET!
3)After my 4th hole this morning at swope spent a good minute or two emptying my stomach contents into trash can,SUPER SUPER SWEET!

Spencer's mini golf highlights today (played mini golf 4 times)
1)won free Buzz playing singles
2)took 1st place 5$ random draw dubs with Jack "opposite of" lowe for $20.

Conclusions: I am a natural-born mini-golfer, and apparently should just play mini golf all day instead of disc golf :o

VOMITBEARD
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: sirbronco on June 19, 2010, 10:09:46 PM
How many aces where hit today at water works?

None
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 19, 2010, 10:10:06 PM
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How many aces where hit today at water works?

Didn't hear about any aces, but my apprentice Craig Loonis (apprentice=demolished my score today) witnessed Aaron Johnson smack the top of the basket on #1 LONG-he said it was pretty sick!
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Post by: jamidanger on June 20, 2010, 12:11:03 AM
[img][<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/y9AaiZVJuGM&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/y9AaiZVJuGM&hl=en_US&fs=1&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>/img]

Jeez, hope this breakfast video inspires some good rounds today!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 20, 2010, 09:11:33 AM
Lead open group live scoring:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/live.php?TournID=9781

Come out and watch the final round. Starts around noon. There is no final nine.

Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: David E on June 20, 2010, 12:27:16 PM
Advanced Grandmasters - Pete's up by 9 with one round to go at Rosey! Go Pete Go!!!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: coops on June 20, 2010, 06:29:58 PM
Great job to everybody who put this thing on, especially Rick and Rusco.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on June 21, 2010, 11:22:30 AM
Best story of the weekend:  Amanda Jackson, not having an Advanced Women's field to play with, decided to enter Rec Men.  She shoots a 252 for all 4 rounds wins both her cards at Waterworks and Swope (where she shot a stellar 62, the 3rd lowest score in her pool) to finish in 4th.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 21, 2010, 04:40:57 PM
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Best story of the weekend:

IF THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH LOOKS TOO LONG, SKIP TO THE SUMMARY BELOW!!!

That might be the best, but here is the most funny:  I think it is appropriate to nickname this year's tourney the 2010 "Humble Crumble".  Story goes as follows: Matthew "Humble" Hummel was tied for 4th place going into the final card in the advanced men's field at Rosie on Sunday.  Let's just say that little Matty made some "poor decisions", which led to him DNF'ing the tourney after he had completed 61 of 72 holes.  After beginning the round with a 9 on hole #3.......pause.....reread......a 9 on hole #3 you read it correctly, Matt continues the round, shooting reportedly decent golf.  Finishes the island, steps up to hole #9 long over the fence, parks his drive within 20 feet of the basket, walks to disc, picks it up, walks straight to the shelter, tells K-Mont he is DNF/ing, and then drove away into the sunset.  He was guaranteed at least $45-50 but more likely $60-70 in merchandise if he finished the round.  He also ridiculed Craig Loonis and I mercilessly for DNF'ing last year.  Way to choke on your own cocky words, Humble.

SUMMARY

THIS YEAR AT THE KC WIDE OPEN, EVERYONE BEAT HUMMEL!!!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Captklank on June 21, 2010, 04:53:37 PM
Damm Spence dont hold back tell us how you really feel.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Captklank on June 21, 2010, 05:10:12 PM
I also heard someone giving a ob ruling,disc was half in half out middle of the string.Am player told him if any part was touching the string he was out.
 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 21, 2010, 05:33:37 PM
Best story of the weekend.

Here's an answer to Spencer's post as to how one should handle a bad hole.

I head out towards #8 to watch the lead cards play the island hole and come upon a backup. It seems Slim Belcher tried to do the Epic thumber over the fence (yes the same route Hummel crushed successfully) and landed OB. He then re-teed and tried something else that was unsuccessful and re-teed a third time to try his thumber unsuccessfully once again. Now shooting his seventh throw from 40' in front of the pad (where his thumber left in-bounds never to return) he takes the conventional route and goes a little long. He finally carded an 11. Strange thing is, he never lost his cool and he proceeded to finish the round with nothing but pars and birdies and turned in a 62. If he would have taken the conventional route to begin with he would have likely turned in a 55 for the second hottest round of the afternoon. But he still cashed and took home some plastic! Now that's how you handle a bad hole. You could see the disappointment on his face when his risky moves didn't pay off but he never let any anger show. Cool.... 8)   and mighty entertaining to watch.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 21, 2010, 05:38:45 PM
Best story of the weekend: 

But I think my favorite has to be seeing Nick Altieri card a circle 3 on #8. Now that's something you don't see every day.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Captklank on June 21, 2010, 05:48:51 PM
Tin Cup Belcher ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 21, 2010, 06:16:56 PM
Tin Cup Belcher ;D

Yep!   ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 21, 2010, 06:48:33 PM
When i took my 9 on #14 at Swope i put my head under the water spigot by #16's pad for about 45 seconds, it cooled me down physically and brought me back from my self-pity and frustration as well-i recommend it sometime! (especially when it is 93 degrees)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: will on June 21, 2010, 07:21:05 PM
Best story of the weekend:  Amanda Jackson, not having an Advanced Women's field to play with, decided to enter Rec Men.  She shoots a 252 for all 4 rounds wins both her cards at Waterworks and Swope (where she shot a stellar 62, the 3rd lowest score in her pool) to finish in 4th.


this is excellent.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: steuty on June 21, 2010, 09:18:03 PM
anyone know where you can look up your round ratings from the tourney?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 21, 2010, 09:20:37 PM
anyone know where you can look up your round ratings from the tourney?

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9781&year=2010&include_ratings=1#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9781&year=2010&include_ratings=1#Open)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: steuty on June 21, 2010, 09:32:48 PM
ahh thank you sir
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Eric on June 21, 2010, 10:13:54 PM
Yeah Slim is da man. With a 7 on hole 8 and 11 on hole 9 that dude came back with a birdie run like no other. Props big pimpin you sure know how to keep them jets cool. That would be enough to send me into a furious freak out.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: ekolk on June 21, 2010, 10:54:04 PM
Yeah a lot of wackiness this weekend. A big shout to all the great people I had the pleasure of playing with. That includes three rounds with Slim, who helped me keep my cool as I continued to suck it up royally. Also, Joe from IA, Tom from St.L, Matt Shively, and oh yeah thanks to Tim Becks for Caddy action Sunday morning! The upside to this was playing with many equal or better players way down on the low end of MA1. We all have bad weekends and I was on the losing end this time around.

Thank you Rick, Jeremy, Kevin, Ed, and all the rest. Wide Open was great.

I beat Hummel.  ;)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 22, 2010, 09:33:21 AM
Thanks to Kevin for keeping me from DNF'ing......though it was hard, I did birdie the next hole after taking a double circle 9 on #9 @ Rosey.....
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 22, 2010, 10:07:42 AM
Thanks to Kevin for keeping me from DNF'ing......though it was hard, I did birdie the next hole after taking a double circle 9 on #9 @ Rosey.....

I'm glad you stuck it out! Too bad you left early. You actually cashed.   :o
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Post by: tallguy007kc on June 22, 2010, 10:16:37 AM
Thanks to Kevin for keeping me from DNF'ing......though it was hard, I did birdie the next hole after taking a double circle 9 on #9 @ Rosey.....

That wouldn't happen to have been the hole that myself and Chappy heard a certain comment from hole 10 teebox would it?....lol   ;D

hint....starts with an 'F'...lol
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jamidanger on June 22, 2010, 10:51:29 AM
OK, i was only a spotter for 2 rounds, but hey, I Beat Hummell
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on June 22, 2010, 11:07:27 AM
Thanks to Kevin for keeping me from DNF'ing......though it was hard, I did birdie the next hole after taking a double circle 9 on #9 @ Rosey.....

That wouldn't happen to have been the hole that myself and Chappy heard a certain comment from hole 10 teebox would it?....lol   ;D

hint....starts with an 'F'...lol

I think I heard this from #1 tee :D.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 22, 2010, 11:11:04 AM
It would have been, I apologized....I seem to have this 3 hole to go curse that I am working on right now....I apologized to the group for my behavior on the hole....this is another reason why I chose to play Am as well so far people are much more tolerable with comments on the course than the pros....

So since I "cashed" it was only good if I picked it up that day?

That is very weak if thats the case, but alas thats the way it goes.  Ken said I could have his funny money, so hopefully he took mine if he got his!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 22, 2010, 12:08:53 PM
It would have been, I apologized....I seem to have this 3 hole to go curse that I am working on right now....I apologized to the group for my behavior on the hole....this is another reason why I chose to play Am as well so far people are much more tolerable with comments on the course than the pros....

So since I "cashed" it was only good if I picked it up that day?

That is very weak if thats the case, but alas thats the way it goes.  Ken said I could have his funny money, so hopefully he took mine if he got his!

Nope, you both left early. I handed the vouchers over to the TD. The policy of requiring them to be cashed in that very day was clearly stated, and I had merch right there with me. You guys could have picked up some plastic before leaving. Now, I'm not advocating that same day policy. I'm just stating that I did my due diligence and made sure everyone was informed. We tried to hurry and get the results and vouchers ready as quickly as possible and the payout was posted well in advance. Please don't blame the messenger. 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 22, 2010, 01:00:08 PM
I heard you Kevin, its not your fault but to "force" someone to get their hard earn winnings is silly especially on fathers day.....its a silly rule, and I doubt one that shuold be carried over if I have anything to say about it in future events in KC.

Now with that being said I really feel as though the 30 day rule with vouchers should be more than enough time to cover it.  I will make my points with the TD's that ran said event!
 ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: The Bird Father on June 22, 2010, 01:17:27 PM
I had some concerns that were reflected throughout my division as well...this is just FYI and for future events...I had a great time and appreciate all that made this show happen.

- Having to travel to a different course across town to redeem vouchers did not set well with several....especially since it was a once in a lifetime shot at redeeming your prizes.  What happen to the money/prizes that were not redeemed?  Just turn into profit for those involved or did that come back to the club for future event prizes?

- Showing up at swope and expecting to see the pros play for atleast thier last 5-6 holes, only to find out they had been done for a hour....very upsetting.

- Speed of play....I can count on one hand the number of times we walked up to the tee and were able to immediately proceed to play.  Every hole seemed to be atleast a 1 -2 card backup...."icing the kicker" comes to mind.

Once again...I'm just the middle guy trying to be the voice of travelers and new players that I hear talking during play....

Peace....thanks again to all the great locals we have in KC
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Simpson on June 22, 2010, 01:51:17 PM
I heard a lot of people complaining about backups as well, but it must not have been anything out of the ordinary for a tournament- I personally can only count on one hand the number of times I did have to wait to play.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: hyzerponix on June 22, 2010, 02:14:45 PM
My only complaint is that neither of the TDs called my boss to tell him to let me off work for the weekend, so I didn't sign up, but then ended up blowing off work anyway. ;D

Those were some beautiful mornings at Swope and I'm glad I came out to watch some of the action. Congrats to everyone involved and thanks for putting up with me while I took pictures. 8)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Ken Franks on June 22, 2010, 02:16:26 PM
The policy of requiring them to be cashed in that very day was clearly stated, and I had merch right there with me.

 Stated for everyone to hear or not, That's the weakest saucest things I have ever heard...!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 22, 2010, 02:40:02 PM
The policy of requiring them to be cashed in that very day was clearly stated, and I had merch right there with me.

 Stated for everyone to hear or not, That's the weakest saucest things I have ever heard...!

Again, don't shoot the messenger. But then again, we could have handed them a bag full of stuff they didn't throw, wear or even want. That's the way it's been done in the past at a lot if tourneys I've been to, and some I've run myself. At least they had an opportunity to pick from a great selection, and like I said, I had plastic right there with me to choose from. At least one person cashed out right then and there there with a handful of nice plastic and hit the road without ever going to Swope.

("saucest"   ??? ) 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: will on June 22, 2010, 02:58:27 PM
(http://www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/weaksauce.jpg)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Tom on June 22, 2010, 03:16:52 PM
We only had a few short waits all weekend.  8)

I got my stuff st Swope from the DD tables. As always there was plenty to choose from.  ;D

I do dislike it when the prizes are predetermined and in a bag.  >:(

Having to pick up the stuff the day of is OK if there is a big selection, but what would be ideal would be to have a week or so to select/order it from an online catalog.

I enjoyed the weekend of golf immensly. Thanks to all that worked so that we could play.  :D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: knarfks on June 22, 2010, 03:53:30 PM
Thanks to everyone who put this on.  I had a great time.
Hopefully we won't see rec players warming up with 450' drives again.  At least it cost them funny money to boost their ego.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 22, 2010, 04:30:36 PM
I would say that I had a great conversation last night about the OB's and I know anger some....Tighten up Swope, the Rope was too generous on the green on #3, and the last temp hole, make all the rocks OB, not just one side, and really put the squeeze on the field.

Now do that ONLY for the open/pro players.  The rest of the field can be on or across roads, short pads, but make it tough for the big guys, if you want to play it tough, then you have to pay up. 

As for round ratings, and where you stand, well if you are that concerned, you should play in a division that you are concerned about, but chances are you will all see one course the same configuration in the Wide open, and since you play at multiple courses with multiple times, your rating is not a "true reflection" of your round, but rather an estimated guess.

I would tighten the holes drastically for the future events if you are to use the rope/string (which I think is a must at Swope now for bigger events...)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 22, 2010, 04:36:36 PM
Thanks to everyone who put this on.  I had a great time.
Hopefully we won't see rec players warming up with 450' drives again.  At least it cost them funny money to boost their ego.

Just because someone can drive 450' doesn't mean they can hit the upshot or consistently putt it in from 30', right GOT D?   ;D

It takes practice to bring the hole game together. People playing tourneys have to start somewhere. Maybe they'll move up now if they had that much success in rec. I know Amanda would have rather played in an advanced womens field.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Amando on June 22, 2010, 04:39:36 PM
thanks timko :) i had fun after i got rosey out of the way! i couldn't believe it myself when i was at swope and i always love waterworks! glad i got to play like i know i can after a rough couple tournaments so far :)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Seansponsoredam on June 23, 2010, 10:25:45 AM
I don't know if it was mentioned during registration or not..  If everyone was told to go to Swope to redeem their AM winnings then you should've done so.  I don't think that you can have merchandise at every hole.  Maybe you guys who missed out can follow the DD caravan around to the next tournament.  Maybe you guys could call the powers at be and see if you could reason with them.  I haven't played in too many tournaments and the ones I have, I haven't cashed, but if I did I wouldn't have a problem with driving 20 minutes to Swope from Rosedale!!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 23, 2010, 10:41:33 AM
I wasn't told this at registration, but Kevin did make a speech at the players meeting about it.  I really thought that it was meant more so for the traveling players, as when your in town you have things to do especially on Fathers day.....but alas if I don't get my schwag, I know that I realistically have no one to blame but myself, because as I stated, Kevin did inform us of this information, I just really didn't think it was the only time to get your payout, I thought that it was an ez option.....
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: GOT D??? do u on June 23, 2010, 11:01:42 AM
Wow having to redeem your winnings that DAY how bogus... BUT i can BELIEVE it... I TRIED to use some KC CASH to buy a TOWEL at the Swope Spring Renewal because both of my towels were soaked & got this RESPONSE from Rick...

" I'm not at my STORE this is a TOURNAMENT"...  

REALLY if I hadn't NEEDED a DRY TOWEL I would have put it BACK & WALKED AWAY EMPTY HANDED

SOUNDS to me like the AMATEUR PLAYERS should just start BOYCOTTING EVENTS that have these kind of BOGUS REWARD STIPULATIONS, I mean PART of OUR ENTRY FEES GO TOWARDS the PROS getting PAID...

WAS ANYONE SURPRISED WHEN THIS TOURNAMENT DIDNT FILL :o :o :o :-[ :-[ ::) ::) :-X
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: GOT D??? do u on June 23, 2010, 11:08:07 AM
Thanks to everyone who put this on.  I had a great time.
Hopefully we won't see rec players warming up with 450' drives again.  At least it cost them funny money to boost their ego.

Just because someone can drive 450' doesn't mean they can hit the upshot or consistently putt it in from 30', right GOT D?   ;D

It takes practice to bring the hole game together. People playing tourneys have to start somewhere. Maybe they'll move up now if they had that much success in rec. I know Amanda would have rather played in an advanced womens field.
Funny thing is my DRIVES have went to SHIOT & my short game has IMPROVED...starting to like my LEFTY shot as well...

Now I just gotta put it all together ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 23, 2010, 11:15:23 AM
WAS ANYONE SURPRISED WHEN THIS TOURNAMENT DIDNT FILL :o :o :o :-[ :-[ ::) ::) :-X

It may not have "filled" but it had the highest attendance of any tournament in the country last weekend. Including the A tier in Peoria.

I agree that having to cash your script the day of at a separate location or lose out completely is not normal though. I don't recall ever seeing that stipulation before. I think that's why I was trying to make sure everyone knew about that and had plastic there with me for those that really needed to bolt and couldn't make the trip to Swope. But only one person took advantage of it. I would hope that DD and DGW will hear of this dissatisfaction and try to adjust for it in the future. At the very least this should probably have been announced at the very beginning and throughout the event rather than waiting until before the third round. I have to point out though, that this is still better than getting handed a bag of stuff you likely don't need or want like we used to do.

This horse is starting to be a tad malodorous.   ::)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Seansponsoredam on June 23, 2010, 12:01:26 PM
Maybe you shouldn't have been playing in a disc golf tournament on Fathers Day, if it put you in a bind for time. 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 23, 2010, 12:53:51 PM
blah blah blah....., I mean PART of OUR ENTRY FEES GO TOWARDS the PROS getting PAID...


Now they don't, maybe a small portion does, but until you run an event please keep your uniformed OPINION to yourself on the matters that run events.  You have absolutley no idea of what it takes or what goes on behind the scenes.

I am not trying to belittle you Caleb, its just that you have absolutely no frame of reference to make this statement.

As for the event not filling, at what point do you think its full?  I prefer 4-somes and thus would have liked to see a cap at ~216, so from that vantage point yeah it didn't, but it had 20% more people than last year, and it was at 80 people the weekend before, and eevryone EVERYONE got a sweet players pack, sounds like a great weekend of golf even if we are nitpicking a few ways that people chose to run the event.  They ran it, and thanks for giving up your weekend.

As for the towel and KCKash, Rick runs a business, the business ran the event not the club, so its a different deal, sorry it happened to you in this light, but as a businessman you have to separate the club/business from time to time, and it sounds like this just didn't sit well with you.  Also supply and demand baby, if its raining, I want cash for a towel, because I make more money on it than I do with the coupon you are giving me, and others will want that same item....I guess I understand the stance on that as well....

Geesh, agreeing with all the things that were done, crap, I need to go back to work....
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 23, 2010, 02:03:40 PM
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its just that you have absolutely no frame of reference to make this statement.

yeah so shut the flock up, Donny!!!!!!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 23, 2010, 02:05:45 PM
I appreciate the comments that have come from tournament players in this thread. We strive to keep improving.  In the 38 years that I've been running events, I've still haven't  pulled off the perfect one...the one in which every thing went as planned and every player was happy. Of course, Caleb Coffman was not a player in this Wide Open, has never been a player in the Wide Open (as far as I know), and hopefully will never be a player in the Wide Open, especially if I'm involved with it. I think Jack's response as to  the reality and the finances of this event covers adequately anything I was going to say.

As to the SSR, Jack once more was savvy enough to understand that this was my event. Had it been a Club event that I was merching, then KC Kash would have been accepted.

While I'm disappointed that Jack has chosen to vet his "anguish" about his lost winnings out here instead of talking directly with me, he's taken full responsibility for his mistake and has not tried to impugn my integrity or suggest that the am players were mistreated at the Wide Open.

As to the tenor of most of Caleb Coffman's posts out here, I'm reminded of a famous quote that has been attributed to Abe Lincoln: "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."


Wow having to redeem your winnings that DAY how bogus... BUT i can BELIEVE it... I TRIED to use some KC CASH to buy a TOWEL at the Swope Spring Renewal because both of my towels were soaked & got this RESPONSE from Rick...

" I'm not at my STORE this is a TOURNAMENT"...  

REALLY if I hadn't NEEDED a DRY TOWEL I would have put it BACK & WALKED AWAY EMPTY HANDED

SOUNDS to me like the AMATEUR PLAYERS should just start BOYCOTTING EVENTS that have these kind of BOGUS REWARD STIPULATIONS, I mean PART of OUR ENTRY FEES GO TOWARDS the PROS getting PAID...

WAS ANYONE SURPRISED WHEN THIS TOURNAMENT DIDNT FILL :o :o :o :-[ :-[ ::) ::) :-X
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jamidanger on June 23, 2010, 02:27:01 PM
Abe Lincoln: "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

.....I wasn't around then, but comments like that would get you shot in the old days
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 23, 2010, 03:14:00 PM
Abe Lincoln: "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

.....I wasn't around then, but comments like that would get you shot in the old days

Now that right there is funny.....   :D :D ;D

Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: will on June 23, 2010, 03:34:02 PM
i love this board.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dan howard on June 23, 2010, 04:58:26 PM
Only my third tournament so take it for what its worth.

The tournament was well run, a big thanks to all staff and volunteers! I was amazed by the effort the KC disc golf community put into this tourney.  I saw Paul, Billy and a small gang working at WW the sunday prior, 5 or 6pm and they were muddy, scratched, bruised and exhausted from working the whole day, and I'm sure a similar scenario played out at both other courses.

I had a great time and played with some wonderful people.  I finally had a decent round Sunday morning at Rosedale and was lucky enough to hold on and cash.  I thought having to go to Swope for prizes a minor inconvenience, I planned on going there anyway.  I felt that not having the final nine was a major disappointment.  I'm new to the game and have never seen a top flight round so I was really looking forward to this.  I know the simple solution would be to not play at all, or skipping my final round but I wanted to have my cake and eat it too!  Unfortunately that is what I was promised when I paid my $60.  I would love it if more TD's would consider this, it really is a benefit to new players.

That's my two cents, thanks again to everyone who made it a great weekend of disc golf in KC!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on June 23, 2010, 04:59:03 PM
You should join DiscGolfCourseReview.com's forum then (I'm a member, but never contribute).  It's conversation like this 24/7.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Timko on June 23, 2010, 05:05:31 PM
I felt that not having the final nine was a major disappointment.  I'm new to the game and have never seen a top flight round so I was really looking forward to this.  I know the simple solution would be to not play at all, or skipping my final round but I wanted to have my cake and eat it too!  Unfortunately that is what I was promised when I paid my $60.  I would love it if more TD's would consider this, it really is a benefit to new players.

Dan, the problem with the Final 9 was a time constraint thing.  I probably made Swope too long and difficult for pros to play 2 rounds AND play a final 9 AND get on the road to be home at a reasonable hour.  For example, The 3rd place finisher, Tanner Duncan, lives 4 hours away in Des Moines.  If we had played a final 9, he would have started that 9 around 3:30, finished around 5:00, and would have gotten home no earlier than 9:00 (probably closer to 10:00).   In the future, if we want to do a final 9, it would be best to have just 1 round on Sunday to allow those traveling from out of town a chance to get home at a reasonable hour.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dan howard on June 23, 2010, 05:12:48 PM
Thanks for the explanation Timko, next time don't make Swope so hard ;) ;D, it kicked my butt! 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 23, 2010, 05:34:41 PM
IMHO (Never humble though you know me well...)

Possibly doing the 1-round on Sunday as you and I discussed going back to 3-day, 2-2-1, then on Sunday have the am pools start at 8:00....pro pool at 11, with no final nine, if there is to be a final nine, have them start at 8:30.....they always take less throws to complete a course....silly far throwers...
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dickthediscparker on June 23, 2010, 05:49:24 PM
Let the Pros start later and then then Ams can watch the end of the Pro side.  And we get to sleep in :)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: will on June 23, 2010, 08:52:20 PM
You should join DiscGolfCourseReview.com's forum then (I'm a member, but never contribute).  It's conversation like this 24/7.

but as you know DGR is superior
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 23, 2010, 09:00:16 PM
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Abe Lincoln: "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

Honest Abe was one good-looking dude, and his spirit lives on vicariously through my beard.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kidmills on June 23, 2010, 09:04:00 PM
I appreciate the comments that have come from tournament players in this thread. We strive to keep improving.  In the 38 years that I've been running events, I've still haven't  pulled off the perfect one...the one in which every thing went as planned and every player was happy. Of course, Caleb Coffman was not a player in this Wide Open, has never been a player in the Wide Open (as far as I know), and hopefully will never be a player in the Wide Open, especially if I'm involved with it. I think Jack's response as to  the reality and the finances of this event covers adequately anything I was going to say.

As to the SSR, Jack once more was savvy enough to understand that this was my event. Had it been a Club event that I was merching, then KC Kash would have been accepted.

While I'm disappointed that Jack has chosen to vet his "anguish" about his lost winnings out here instead of talking directly with me, he's taken full responsibility for his mistake and has not tried to impugn my integrity or suggest that the am players were mistreated at the Wide Open.

As to the tenor of most of Caleb Coffman's posts out here, I'm reminded of a famous quote that has been attributed to Abe Lincoln: "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."


Wow having to redeem your winnings that DAY how bogus... BUT i can BELIEVE it... I TRIED to use some KC CASH to buy a TOWEL at the Swope Spring Renewal because both of my towels were soaked & got this RESPONSE from Rick...

" I'm not at my STORE this is a TOURNAMENT"...  

REALLY if I hadn't NEEDED a DRY TOWEL I would have put it BACK & WALKED AWAY EMPTY HANDED

SOUNDS to me like the AMATEUR PLAYERS should just start BOYCOTTING EVENTS that have these kind of BOGUS REWARD STIPULATIONS, I mean PART of OUR ENTRY FEES GO TOWARDS the PROS getting PAID...

WAS ANYONE SURPRISED WHEN THIS TOURNAMENT DIDNT FILL :o :o :o :-[ :-[ ::) ::) :-X
hey rick bet you heard that saying from abe himself....lol
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: bensdadfred on June 23, 2010, 09:25:26 PM
         Time constraint??!! WTF? The pro's were finished early!! Crazy John was heckling over a final 9 before the 3 o'clock chimes even struck! TANNER DUNCAN understands what he is up for when touring, believe me.. I could see that as a major disappointment for the ams(although not as large a disappointment as my stellar tournament play) and if it were promised, than there is NO excuse available outside of inclement weather.
         And tighten up that rope o.b. next time! I would reckon less than 5% of Pro golfers went o.b. on 3's "island"!............oh yeah,I almost forgot, thanks  ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: CD on June 23, 2010, 10:28:18 PM
Thanks to ALL the TDs, Assistant TDs, spotters, keg-minders, mini-golf course designers, scoreport toting personnel, disc sellers, and everyone involved  ;D

I've already made a couple notes on some potential sponsors for next year and especially the 30th! Too bad the world is supposed to end a few months later in 2012  ::)

I honestly wasn't relaxed until Sunday afternoon, and I don't know why. My chair mishap into the trunk on Saturday turned into a $100 glass deductible via Farmers Insurance and Safelite Glass... there's two MORE sponsors I gotta get...  ;)
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 24, 2010, 12:48:47 PM
With a new course, estimating how long it would take was the unknowable factor. The one beta-test we had (at league on the Tuesday before the event...without rope) indicated that the course would take longer than it did. This led me to cancel the final nine as impractical for this year. This was communicated to the players about 48-72 hours before tee time, or at least to those who had email addresses (all but about 10 players). Unfortunately, I never communicated that to the general public. As it turned out, the pro field of only 52 flew through the course, which meant, with better planning and some altered start times, the final nine could have been held. We live, and if we're lucky, we learn. As mentioned earlier, this feedback out here from participants is great. If anyone wants to offer their time to help with the 2011 version, including the planning, call, email, or PM me. 

R

Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dan howard on June 25, 2010, 01:16:39 AM
I come from an Ultimate background where the TD's didn't have the luxury of time constraints.  Pool play on saturday, quarter finals at 9am sunday, semis at 11 and the finals at 2:00-2:30,  everyone who participated and thought they had a chance at winning knew it was gonna be a long weekend.  Everyone who loved the game and wanted to improve stayed to watch the finals, you got to see the very best competition and see how the game is played at its highest level.  I spent many a late sunday night driving home from St. Louis/ Fayetteville/ Minneapolis or where ever.  I know this ain't Ultimate but IMHO let the elite golfers who are driving home with a smile on there face and a pocketful of cash get a little later start on Sunday.  Bet the size of the cheering (heckling ;D) gallery might help 'em get over having to get home at 10pm.

Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Simpson on June 25, 2010, 10:38:09 AM
What's the point of spewing vitriol all over a friendly message board? What does it accomplish?

Fortunately, most on here are probably wise enough to filter these comments appropriately.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 25, 2010, 11:20:01 AM
THanks for the removal!  That looks much better.

Dan on time, and Fred, I always hate going home leaving an event at 7:00 as a LOSER, and I have so few winning events that I am not sure how I would react.....I appreciate getting everyone on the road so that they could get home at a reasonable time.

My thought was BensdadFred, that if you guys/gals slept in a little later, you'd be more rested to throw farther, adn starting later would allow us the chance to watch not only the top pros, but the more reaslistic pro's, you know the guys that finish say 25th-31st, so we can see the pain on their faces as they realize the error of the throws, instead of just watching the good guys, I like to see how I would play!
 ;D


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: GOT D??? do u on June 25, 2010, 11:44:44 AM
What dont like the fact that you CONTRADICTED yourself & GOT CALLED ON IT... OR the fact that I am PRO RUSSCO ANTI ROTHSTEIN...

TO EACH THEIR OWN but you wont CATCH ME at a ROTHSTEIN run EVENT or in his STORE EVER AGAIN...
 
REALLY STARTING to WISH I hadnt already spent about a GRAND at his STORE 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: will on June 25, 2010, 11:50:17 AM
this is still disc golf, right?

please be sweet
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Anthony Puryear on June 25, 2010, 11:57:13 AM
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REALLY STARTING to WISH I hadnt already spent about a GRAND at his STORE

YoU mUsT lOsE A LOT of DISCS  ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: bensdadfred on June 25, 2010, 11:58:21 AM
Jack, sorry to hear that your travels home from tournaments have been filled with HATE at what?....98% of your outings? But I'm still wondering about the time constraint....I think there were only 5 &1/2 hours of sunshine left that particular day..it seems one could have managed if they were so interested in watching those good golfers!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 25, 2010, 12:00:40 PM
Jack, sorry to hear that your travels home from tournaments have been filled with HATE at what?....98% of your outings? But I'm still wondering about the time constraint....I think there were only 5 &1/2 hours of sunshine left that particular day..it seems one could have managed if they were so interested in watching those good golfers!

I think it was the not knowing in advance how the day would play out that led to the schedule change. Risk/reward kinda deal it seems.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 25, 2010, 12:02:30 PM
Jack, sorry to hear that your travels home from tournaments have been filled with HATE at what?....98% of your outings? But I'm still wondering about the time constraint....I think there were only 5 &1/2 hours of sunshine left that particular day..it seems one could have managed if they were so interested in watching those good golfers!

THats a pretty generous guess!
 ;D

Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: dan howard on June 25, 2010, 01:04:11 PM
thanks for the reminder Jack, shoulda never posted so late.  I would not have included that line had I posted it this morning.

I appreciate the chance to voice my opinion but want to be respectful to a great DG community!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: GOT D??? do u on June 25, 2010, 03:37:02 PM
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REALLY STARTING to WISH I hadnt already spent about a GRAND at his STORE

YoU mUsT lOsE A LOT of DISCS  ;D
NOPE not really... I HUNT & DIVE for my DISCS... Just replace some when they get too beat in...Bought a Mach 2 Basket too
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kidmills on June 25, 2010, 04:34:24 PM
What dont like the fact that you CONTRADICTED yourself & GOT CALLED ON IT... OR the fact that I am PRO RUSSCO ANTI ROTHSTEIN...

TO EACH THEIR OWN but you wont CATCH ME at a ROTHSTEIN run EVENT or in his STORE EVER AGAIN...
 
REALLY STARTING to WISH I hadnt already spent about a GRAND at his STORE 
good to hear that,i'll be at all of ricks gigs then...........just buy your disc online,so nobody has to hear you,or see you
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 25, 2010, 07:03:27 PM
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What dont like the fact that you CONTRADICTED yourself & GOT CALLED ON IT... OR the fact that I am PRO RUSSCO ANTI ROTHSTEIN...

TO EACH THEIR OWN but you wont CATCH ME at a ROTHSTEIN run EVENT or in his STORE EVER AGAIN...
 
REALLY STARTING to WISH I hadnt already spent about a GRAND at his STORE

Caleb you should just challenge Rick to a 3-event challenge.: 1)Long disc contest, 2)SAT test, 3)spelling bee.  You lose 2-1 :o
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kcRhyno on June 25, 2010, 09:52:52 PM
Make it 4 events, Class.... oh wait, Rick wins that too.  Ask yourself this Caleb, what have YOU done to help this sport?
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: GOT D??? do u on June 26, 2010, 06:13:42 PM
Make it 4 events, Class.... oh wait, Rick wins that too.  Ask yourself this Caleb, what have YOU done to help this sport?
lets see ive  got over 100 hours of LABOR out at PLEASANT HILL & STILL COUNTING....

SPENT 3 hours wading thru a STINKING TRASH FILLED POND at YOUNG PARK REMOVING TRASH hole 7 & 10

EVERY TIME i'm on a course I PICK UP TRASH as i PLAY

SO let me ask u this WTF HAVE YOU DONE for this SPORT
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: GOT D??? do u on June 26, 2010, 06:15:59 PM
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What dont like the fact that you CONTRADICTED yourself & GOT CALLED ON IT... OR the fact that I am PRO RUSSCO ANTI ROTHSTEIN...

TO EACH THEIR OWN but you wont CATCH ME at a ROTHSTEIN run EVENT or in his STORE EVER AGAIN...
 
REALLY STARTING to WISH I hadnt already spent about a GRAND at his STORE

Caleb you should just challenge Rick to a 3-event challenge.: 1)Long disc contest, 2)SAT test, 3)spelling bee.  You lose 2-1 :o
Tells you how well you KNOW me because it would be 3-0 in my favor
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 26, 2010, 06:31:58 PM
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Tells you how well you KNOW me

Perception is reality
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: CD on June 26, 2010, 09:51:20 PM
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Perception is reality

My perception (with newly granted admin powers on the forum) is to ask you to take the balance of this conversation offline. Thanks to EVERYONE for their contributions -- let's all work together when we HAVE to.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jamidanger on June 26, 2010, 11:00:02 PM
hey i might start something new, but I don't really think your drives are that long caleb. I'm 51 and can still huck 450 on a bad day
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Beat Hummel on June 27, 2010, 12:32:54 AM
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My perception (with newly granted admin powers on the forum) is to ask you to take the balance of this conversation offline. Thanks to EVERYONE for their contributions -- let's all work together when we HAVE to.

CD my suggestion as the new administrator is to stab the first person who looks (down) at you the wrong way, preferably multiple times in the head/neck region, paul pierce style, so that everyone knows you mean business.  Flex those guns
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: will on June 27, 2010, 07:46:30 AM
hey i might start something new, but I don't really think your drives are that long caleb. I'm 51 and can still huck 450 on a bad day

barefoot
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: hyzerponix on June 27, 2010, 01:14:13 PM
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Perception is reality

My perception (with newly granted admin powers on the forum) is to ask you to take the balance of this conversation offline. Thanks to EVERYONE for their contributions -- let's all work together when we HAVE to.

Dang, you've got Admin privileges and you're not even on the EC? K-Mont couldn't wait to strip me of my KCFDC "behind the scenes forum" access from when I was the '09 CC at Cliff Drive, I mean he did it the very evening of the last election! I guess being compact and really good at disc golf carries a lot of weight around here... :D ;D
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kcRhyno on June 27, 2010, 06:32:56 PM
I have no idea if this pertains to Jack missing out on his awards at the KCWO, but I ran across this today in the PDGA Competition Manual.

section 1.10.C(2) reads "Players who leave before the official distribution of prizes do not relinquish their winnings but are responsible for any associated shipping costs."
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 27, 2010, 09:58:59 PM
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Perception is reality

My perception (with newly granted admin powers on the forum) is to ask you to take the balance of this conversation offline. Thanks to EVERYONE for their contributions -- let's all work together when we HAVE to.

Dang, you've got Admin privileges and you're not even on the EC? K-Mont couldn't wait to strip me of my KCFDC "behind the scenes forum" access from when I was the '09 CC at Cliff Drive, I mean he did it the very evening of the last election! I guess being compact and really good at disc golf carries a lot of weight around here... :D ;D

It really wasn't anything personal Mike. Everyone gets switched around at once after elections. Sometimes I get right to it if I have time and sometimes I have to be reminded to get it done. I guess I had time that year. As for CD gaining admin rights, he offered his help and since he's KCFDC #2, has been on the EC in various capacities many times and is an IT professional himself, we were only to glad to accept his offer of assistance. There are currently twelve registrations sitting there waiting for approval to join this board in just two days time and my guess is all but one or two are spammers. The job of maintaining this board for us all to use to further the sport in KC and beyond was becoming quite a challenge for just one person. Thanks CD!

 
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: john theiss on June 27, 2010, 10:15:07 PM
Make it 4 events, Class.... oh wait, Rick wins that too.  Ask yourself this Caleb, what have YOU done to help this sport?
lets see ive  got over 100 hours of LABOR out at PLEASANT HILL & STILL COUNTING....

SPENT 3 hours wading thru a STINKING TRASH FILLED POND at YOUNG PARK REMOVING TRASH hole 7 & 10

EVERY TIME i'm on a course I PICK UP TRASH as i PLAY


You got give Caleb props for clearing trash out of the pond on hole 7 and 10 and Young.  That thing was nasty, full of garbage, and really stinky.  Even worse smelling is the pond on 17.  The discs being rescued are so smelly that Drew N did not even want to put Dick's disc in his car. 


Good work out there Caleb.  those actions do speak louder than words.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: kcRhyno on June 27, 2010, 10:53:26 PM
Look I'm not tryin to get into a pissing match here.  I would hope most golfers would pick up trash as we play, that's why our bags have pockets.  But doggn Rick and his events as hard as you do seems counter productive,  its great that you fish discs out and do some labor on your local course, but I wouldn't consider that doing anything for our sport or to help this game grow.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: hyzerponix on June 27, 2010, 11:27:12 PM
Look I'm not tryin to get into a pissing match here.  I would hope most golfers would pick up trash as we play, that's why our bags have pockets.  But doggn Rick and his events as hard as you do seems counter productive,  its great that you fish discs out and do some labor on your local course, but I wouldn't consider that doing anything for our sport or to help this game grow.


I don't agree with dogging Rick either. But to say that cleaning up courses or performing labor at a course isn't helping the sport is simply not true. Working on the courses benefits everyone who uses those courses, while promotion or "growing the sport" only benefits those who care about big events and making money off the sport. The big events and the money cannot exist without the volunteers who work on the courses.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 28, 2010, 09:55:30 AM
Caleb-thanks for your 100 hours work and cleaning of the pond.

Kevin-thanks for your over 10 years of support and over 5000 hours of labor and time donated over the lifetime that you have helped.

Rick-Thanks for the last 3 decades and the over 100,000 hours you have given to the sport.

John-Keizer, words go far, and just because someone does work in an area that you feel is important, does not in any way limit the work that others do that you don't do as well.  Just as others don't do work machines as well and clean up as well, we need to have all people with all skillsets to make our sport strong.

BTW 100 hours on a course is a good start to helping it look better, but its a far cry from countless people that are not online haev done Caleb, so before you feel entitled to call people out, you must learn to respect the people that have helped to make this sport where it is today.  Its only here today for the work that thousands of people before you in Kansas city have done that you are even able to post on this forum, to work on a park.  Learn some respect for others and it will carry you farther in everyone's eyes.

I have no idea of how many hours of work I've done Caleb, but if I had to guess, I would ball park it at close to 10,000 both cleaning, running events, writing grants, going to meetings, flying to other cities to gain more support for disc golf in Kansas City, so you can thank me by simply just realizing the people that you seem to bash are the exact reason that you can even play this sport in our community, so please think outside your littlebox, and realize we aer a community, as of late you have not made our community look good.

Actions speak louder than words, yes, but words hurt feelings, and change that stance to a more approachable zone, and you will be more welcomed with all.  If you are not wanting to be welcomed in our community, then quit typing the poison rhetoric you seem to be fond of.

Thanks again for all you do for our sport though Caleb, I appreciate everyone that helps it grow!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: Hanthrolo on June 28, 2010, 01:03:14 PM
I recently purchased discs a DGW and was treated very well, as always.  I have played in several events around town and was treated well, as always.  I am meek in my volunteering, yet I do not forget those who do what they do to enable me to play disc golf.  Kudos to those who know they deserve a pat on the back.  I am glad that I am a part of KCFDC community!
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 28, 2010, 02:18:38 PM
ok....after reading Hanthrolo's comment, I realized that I too am being single minded and selfish in my posts.

Its really impossible to put into words the names of who all have helped with the growth of disc golf in Kansas City.... A few names hit home though, and when I saw that they were getting singled out, I couldn't help but to champion thier names in the tireless work effort that they have done.  By that same tokken, it has been historically the same people in Kansas City that have helped to run events.  Now to Keizer's tune that don't mean squat to the casual player, but the reality of it is that it does.

Why does it?  Because these events bring out the very best of our community to make our coursses shine.  That enables us to be a pivotal location for the best disc golf experience in the country.  THose stories are then shared across many lands and in turn allow us the opportunity to grow collectively as we have, and though it may not appear to each eye that this event helps locally, it really is what has made us happen locally.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that even though we hosted 3 (5) world championships in the last 10 years that hasn't helped our growth.  It most certainly has.  No other community in the world can boast what Kansas City has accomplished in terms of disc golf over the last decade.  Flaggstaff may be close, they hosted 2.  No other club has tried to do this, even envisioned doing this, yet we do it with community of support around us built up mainly by Rick and his desire to keep Kansas City as his home.

His business could be located at any city in the world, he has travelled the world with the sport, he has chosen to call KC home, and we in turn like him or hate him have been a HUGE benefactor for his efforts.  Some may call it the name of business at the expense of disc golf, but in what country do you have business that that doesn't turn a profit?  I think that over the last decade that I have had the ability to work with Rick, his worries are not those of a sole greedy business man, but rather a very giving of time and energy to the club and community at large.

No one ever is going to be happy all the time with how things are.  But we in Kansas City are blessed to have a relatively good lively group of people to count on for events.  All of those people that we rely on to get the job done have done so with sweat determination, and pride to continue to see the sport grow.  I meant not to leave anyone person out, so please even though your name may not be mentioned, rest assured that I do care personally about the hours that all of you have given in order for all of us to enjoy our sport even more and in more places today than when I moved back to KC determined to help however I can to help this sport grow locally.

You know who you are, and without you we would not be here.

Thank you.
Title: Re: 28th Annual Wide Open - Countdown to 30
Post by: jack on June 28, 2010, 03:30:54 PM
I wish this post would just go away.  It's turning into dead horse jerky strips now.  :-[ :-[ :-[

Im doing my best but you add to it...... ;D