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General => Tournaments => Topic started by: jack on January 05, 2012, 03:23:57 PM

Title: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on January 05, 2012, 03:23:57 PM
May 25-June 4th

That is when we have the camping area at Lake in the Woods at Swope.  We hope to have a large contingent of happy campers that could come to town beforehand and enjoy KC in some camping with showers, available, and then play all the local courses to your hearts delight.

Actual tournament dates will be June 1, 2, & 3. 

Events and other fun things to do will begin probably on Tuesday the 29th, with Thursday the 31st having many fun things to do at Swope so take the afternoon off work and come and enjoy!

Here is some idea of the playing schedule:

As of right now I think that the ADV and Pro Fields are all set with regards to the BV, BS, Rosie, WW, Swope.

The"B" Tier could see the use of the K-7 Corridor courses, Olathe, Shawnee Mission, WyCo. 
The B-Tier will be all amateur divisions not on the Adv side and they will play 3 rounds, 2 saturday and 1 Sunday.

Initially we are looking at
(A)Open Men and Women doing:
Fri-BS-BV
Sat-Rosie-WW
Sun-Swope

(B)Age protected ADV and Pro Div:
Fri-BV-BS
Sat-Swope-Rosie
Sun-WW

(C) Adv Men & Women
Fri-Swope-WW
Sat-BS-BV
Sun-Rosie

Now this is up for discussion still, but should have it planned within the week as we may go the K-7 Route instead of this, but if we go this way everyone plays on the same courses....

(D) Int or Int/Rec
Sat-BV-Swope
Sun-BS

(E) REC/Novice
Sat-WW-BS
Sun-BV

The above though may be limited to 90 players and only one field, if that is the case you would only see a (D) pool configuration.

There will be camping available at Swope this year as well in Lake of the Woods, we hope to be able to have over 100 people staying there.  We have the camping area reserved from May 25-June 4th.  More information to follow, but that place shold be hopping the entire time!!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on January 05, 2012, 03:25:58 PM
As more information becomes available we will be posting it up here for you to review.  If you have a question the best thing to do is probably to post it.  If you don't get your answer here, then call me and I will try to direct you to the right person to help out.  Chances are if you are asking it, someone else needs it as well!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on January 05, 2012, 03:32:02 PM
proposed entry fees:

Open men and women: $130
Other pros: $105
Advanced: $80

Above require PDGA membership to be current

Below, will have the ability to add $10 for PDGA tournament fee
Others ams: 55

This is the proposed fees at this point, this DOES NOT   include PDGA fees (typically $3-$5/person) nor a determination on   KCFDC fees at this point (typically $2), or Ace Fund money (generally $1/rd). More information to follow, but in case you wanted to know as this is coming together......

This was corrected, to state the standard PDGA fees are included in the prices above, what is not included is the $10 non-PDGA fee if you are not a current member for the "B-Tier" portion of the Wide Open and can qualify if you have a PDGA rating below the standards ( http://www.pdga.com/ratings )

Sorry for the confusion!

Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Tom on January 05, 2012, 03:58:39 PM
Grrrr. A lot of driving for a west side grand.  >:(


Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on January 05, 2012, 04:20:26 PM
Camping is available at Swope.....
:-)

It is still less driving than those coming from other areas, and less than those that drive back and forth for Emporia events!

 ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: HaterAde on January 05, 2012, 04:39:51 PM
Jack, just curious: How close is this campground to the KCPD Mounted Patrol stables? ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Tom on January 05, 2012, 04:46:34 PM
My 83 cubic inch V-twin gets about 40 to the gallon, so I suppose I can utilize it on my practice runs this Spring to the far East.  :)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on January 05, 2012, 04:54:41 PM
You can Tom....atta boy!

Keizer there right there.  That is the location, maybe you can offer to help them.....or maybe you should stay away?
 ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: HaterAde on January 05, 2012, 05:25:28 PM
Yeah, stay away probably. I cough really loud when I take bong hits and would hate to spook the horses.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Ken Franks on January 05, 2012, 06:13:57 PM
playing the Big blue valley course? or your new medium course?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: matty on January 05, 2012, 06:30:46 PM
"baby blue"
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on January 05, 2012, 07:34:33 PM
Blue Valley on the "short configuration" still will be close to 8000' though, and it will be shotgun starts all weekend as well for all divisions this year.....The only non short pad at Blue Valley (there are 6 new pads out there, pads affected are as follows-3, 4, 9, 10, 11, 13)  ( http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=7118.0 ) will be hole #10.  Alternate pins will be on #1, #3, #8, #9, #11, #12 (in its "orignal configuration" for ease of arguments) you do not play #17 or #18.  Finish on #16. 

Holes #3 is just up the hill, then walk a little bit to south to new pad for #4. 
Then on holes #9 and #11 they have been split into 2 holes each. 
9 plays to the top of the hill, then go play to the long placement. 
11 plays shorter downhill then a clowns mouth to the original placement. 
12 then plays across #13 fairway and then a pad behind trees goes back to original #13.

It plays much nicer, and even though you are still walking in Blue Valley, there are quite a bit of holes that make you feel human (well at least this weenie arm)  I should be able to shoot low 60's high 50's after a few more tries out there on it.

You will play that and Blue Springs the same day, so a big change in styles should be interesting to see who shoots higher at Blue Springs than at Blue Valley....  Can you say control concerns? ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Dale W on January 05, 2012, 11:59:27 PM
proposed entry fees:

Open men and women: $130
Other pros: $105
Advanced: $80

Above require PDGA membership to be current

Below, will have the ability to add $10 for PDGA tournament fee
Others ams: 55

This is the proposed fees at this point, this DOES NOT include PDGA fees (typically $3-$5/person) nor a determination on KCFDC fees at this point (typically $2), or Ace Fund money (generally $1/rd). More information to follow, but in case you wanted to know as this is coming together......



hmmmm....was excited to play in my first WO, but at least $65 (approx) to enter definately puts a damper on that exictement.  That's almost 2 other tourneys!  I would definately enter ADV Masters over Int/Rec if the K7 is used (havent played SM and only played Olathe and WyCo once each plus further away from the "real" action)....but that would also mean $25 more (a 3rd tourney).  May just sit out this year and improve my game for next year. Definately glad to have a heads up.  Sure hope the players packs are gold plated and loaded and there is all the adult beverages you want for that price.   :(
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: dickthediscparker on January 06, 2012, 07:10:31 AM
If youra pdga member it is only 55. Honestly that isn't that bad of a price.  I wouldn't miss this if I were you Dale. 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: white mccoy on January 06, 2012, 07:57:59 AM
yeah Dale,
that's pretty cheap for a National Tour event.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: HaterAde on January 06, 2012, 08:45:09 AM
Doesn't some of the money from the Am entry fee go toward the Pro purse in these kinds of tourneys?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: gleauzinier on January 06, 2012, 10:12:56 AM
proposed entry fees:

Open men and women: $130
Other pros: $105
Advanced: $80

Above require PDGA membership to be current

Below, will have the ability to add $10 for PDGA tournament fee
Others ams: 55

This is the proposed fees at this point, this DOES NOT include PDGA fees (typically $3-$5/person) nor a determination on KCFDC fees at this point (typically $2), or Ace Fund money (generally $1/rd). More information to follow, but in case you wanted to know as this is coming together......



hmmmm....was excited to play in my first WO, but at least $65 (approx) to enter definately puts a damper on that exictement.  That's almost 2 other tourneys!  I would definately enter ADV Masters over Int/Rec if the K7 is used (havent played SM and only played Olathe and WyCo once each plus further away from the "real" action)....but that would also mean $25 more (a 3rd tourney).  May just sit out this year and improve my game for next year. Definately glad to have a heads up.  Sure hope the players packs are gold plated and loaded and there is all the adult beverages you want for that price.   :(

I gotta pay over a $100 to play old man open? with no player pack or guarantee of a payout? what kinda scam are you people running?

if anyone wants to get into cost/benefit analysis why not look into the thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of time and energy invested by individuals to make sure you have a wide open, much less 30 of them? since you seem concerned with gettting something for giving something why not volunteer and help create a merit system: X number of hours of service gets Y sponsorship.
if nothing else it will give those who need to whine something else to whine about......for 6 months.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on January 06, 2012, 10:41:32 AM
Doesn't some of the money from the Am entry fee go toward the Pro purse in these kinds of tourneys?

It depends on the sponsorship dollars that come in.  Money in and Money out is really what the event is about.  If we have more sponsorship dollars then everyone gets more.

Dale, sorry you think the fee is too high.  Stiles is right though, if you want to haev a fun experience, help by volunteering.  Lord knows we can always use more people to step up and make it enjoyable for those players.  Especially in events like this, out of towners love to see locals helping with the events, I cherish it, and in fact have met some the best people that I interact with today from not playing with them, but seeing the work that they did while I was playing their event.

Its a wonderful opportunity when you volunteer to also get to see almost all the players as well and ineract with them.  As a player you don't have that luxury, as a volunteer you typically have a great time, get exhausted, and meet wonderful people from all over the world.

Hopefully as well those of you that made it to the volunteer party last year will remember that as well and realize that we have a good group of people here, but we need more!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: coops on January 06, 2012, 05:39:31 PM
Initially we are looking at
(A)Open Men and Women doing:
Fri-BS-BV
Sat-Rosie-WW
Sun-Swope

(B)Age protected ADV and Pro Div:
Fri-BV-BS
Sat-Swope-Rosie
Sun-WW

(C) Adv Men & Women
Fri-Swope-WW
Sat-BS-BV
Sun-Rosie

Now this is up for discussion still, but should have it planned within the week as we may go the K-7 Route instead of this, but if we go this way everyone plays on the same courses....

(D) Int or Int/Rec
Sat-BV-Swope
Sun-BS

(E) REC/Novice
Sat-WW-BS
Sun-BV


BV + anything else in one day is quite a lot to ask of players and staff.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: kidmills on January 06, 2012, 06:13:19 PM
i agree just what want to do bv+bs in the same day...................adv grandmaster
don't think i'll make this one
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Peter Bures on January 06, 2012, 07:21:30 PM
I too am bothered by the prospect of playing BV and other course (that list says BS for Adv Men), in the same day.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: HaterAde on January 06, 2012, 07:40:50 PM
Guys, the new medium version of Blue Valley is not even close to the original XXL version. I might compare it to Wyco in terms of length. Would you have a problem playing Wyco and PC on the same day? Should be very similar, especially given the number of short holes at Blue Springs.

For the record, I've been messing around on the new BV course the past few days. It rocks, and will only get better as the new improvements become established. Did I mention there is no more long grass on the course? Even better! 8)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: coops on January 06, 2012, 09:23:46 PM
Guess I missed the short course thing. That should make it easier to do both on the same day, though it begs the question, is it better just to do big boy BV instead of shorter BV and something else...

Though I guess the one thing BV has always lacked was variety, and that should certainly give it some variety.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: HaterAde on January 06, 2012, 10:12:09 PM
Coop, I promise you'll be pleased with the changes there. Its gone from a course I might play once a year if someone drags me out there (despite it being fairly close to home), to a course that I'll be happy to play as much as if not more than any other in town. It still has challenging holes-- #6 is the same and is in the long setting, #7 is exactly as it was at the '11 WO, the new #10 is basically the portion of the original #9 that you play after throwing across the ditch. #14, #15, & #16 are the new #16, #17, and #18.

Heck man, just come check it out! Everyone, come check it out! ;D

Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ekolk on January 07, 2012, 01:47:44 PM
Played new BV set up today with 7 others. Most of us shot 59 and 60 with Nick Wink shooting a respectable 55. It's a great new set up. In fact, I want to play it again tomorrow. It is so much more fun. I was not exhausted at all after playing it either. I think the BV and BS combo adds the fatigue factor and those who are more physically fit and can play 6 hours a day of consistent golf will make some positive moves. Great work to all involved. BV is moving up on my list very quickly.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Peter Bures on January 07, 2012, 01:57:34 PM
I was unaware of the new BV setup. Sounds cool, I'll have to check it out.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Loomis on January 07, 2012, 03:12:00 PM
The new BV is still pretty tough in the short positions. It is still pretty rough around the edges, but it's a hard course due to elevation and clever pin positioning. It's still a big walk up and down those hills, though most of the distance has been greatly diminished. I noticed a lot of new trees were planted on the course, which is going to make that course extra tough. It's not down under-ish, but it will narrow down your choices off the tee pad. For those who like the distance, it's still there, it's just not the "two bomb shots or more per hole" course it used to be.

So far, it will be a good challenge, if we can sell it as such.

Someone will need to video tape a round out there and post it online so people can see what the changes are.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: NoSponsor on January 07, 2012, 07:38:07 PM
I say Blue Valley original on Friday and then use the short setting with Water Works on Saturday and then Cliff Drive Sunday
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: HaterAde on January 07, 2012, 08:59:38 PM
I say Blue Valley original on Friday and then use the short setting with Water Works on Saturday and then Cliff Drive Sunday

As much as I love Cliff Drive, the back 9 is too open and boring to showcase the course in a NT event, IMO. The loss of the big tree on #17 was huge. We need to get some trees out there and possibly rework a hole or two. #13, #15, and #18 have got to be among the dullest holes in town right now. :(
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Dale W on January 07, 2012, 11:03:19 PM
Having never played BV before, we (my family and I) are going to try it out tomorrow (along w the Crosbys) for the first time.  I am anxious to see this "beast" up close and personal to see what all the excitement is about.  Maybe it will influence my decision on whether or not to pony up the Adv Masters fee for the WO.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on January 09, 2012, 10:39:31 AM
I have played the "new version" course 3 times in the last 8 days.  Its still Blue Valley folks, it has hills, its a beautiful park, and there are some walks.  But it is a course that can be played in conjunction with another course the same day.

I was asked about Cliff Drive and there are tweaks I want to make before we host another major event there, and asked that it be removed in favor of Blue Springs.  I personally love the contrast of the courses. 

Loomis mentinoed the new trees at Blue Valley.  What he fails to mention and what will be in play probably by the time the event is going on is the bushes, shrubberies, and native tall grasses will create obstacles that you may not see now.

I am uncertain on the mowing schedule, but we will address that as we move into the mowing season.  Last year we didn't ask for mowing to be done as it looks horrible on video with the un-mown sections getting a fresh mow before hand, I am sure this will be discussed as we move into the final weeks of the event to make the courses play
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: HaterAde on January 09, 2012, 02:46:07 PM
Can you clarify what you mean by the tall native grass? If you're talking about the parts they don't mow...

Tall grass isn't really an obstacle because you can still throw from it. Its more of a hinderance to speed of play, IMO, and the reason its been present at BV is to save money on mowing. Don't pee on our heads and tell us its raining, Jack. ;D

Also, unless they are planting native grasses out there, any tall grass left by mowers will be the fescue that currently grows there.

If you were talking about clumps of ornamental grasses like they planted at Swope, and not unmowed fairway grass, let me know and I shall apologize and insert foot accordingly. ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on January 10, 2012, 10:42:36 AM
Insert foot, or boot, without bone....talking about the 12' tall grasses that will be there on the moguls, etc......

As for the mowing and the tall grass, I am not sure, but that is unfortunately a city thing, not a club thing.  Though with the "shorter" design you really shouldn't lose the disc in tall grass for the pro's, and others shouldn't throw that far to lose it.... :P

We will know more about that as we move forward with the mowing cycles....
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on January 12, 2012, 03:39:58 PM
The 30th Wide Open will be featured, along with the other NT events, in the next DiscGolfer. Please let me know if you have any photos from the 2011 Wide Open. Action photos are preferred, but not limited to just that. We will also need these photos for promotional purposes.

Please email your best stuff to rick@discgolfworld.com

We should be opening registration for KCWOXXX next week.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on January 12, 2012, 07:43:28 PM
The 30th Wide Open will be featured, along with the other NT events, in the next DiscGolfer. Please let me know if you have any photos from the 2011 Wide Open. Action photos are preferred, but not limited to just that. We will also need these photos for promotional purposes.

Please email your best stuff to rick@discgolfworld.com

We should be opening registration for KCWOXXX next week.

Thanks.

I have a lot of shots on my FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1952299446272.2110989.1206230771&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1952299446272.2110989.1206230771&type=3)

Not sure if that link will get you there but I have more if none of those suit you.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: HaterAde on January 12, 2012, 07:50:39 PM
Insert foot, or boot, without bone...

Needs ranch dressing. :P

Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on January 13, 2012, 09:33:11 AM
The 30th Wide Open will be featured, along with the other NT events, in the next DiscGolfer. Please let me know if you have any photos from the 2011 Wide Open. Action photos are preferred, but not limited to just that. We will also need these photos for promotional purposes.

Please email your best stuff to rick@discgolfworld.com

We should be opening registration for KCWOXXX next week.

Thanks.

I have a lot of shots on my FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1952299446272.2110989.1206230771&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1952299446272.2110989.1206230771&type=3)

Not sure if that link will get you there but I have more if none of those suit you.

I think we found the cover shot!
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1952299446272.2110989.1206230771&type=3#!/photo.php?fbid=1952317206716&set=a.1952299446272.2110989.1206230771&type=3&theater
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: gleauzinier on January 13, 2012, 10:21:38 AM
inside cover: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1267274768#!/photo.php?fbid=1952313326619&set=a.1952299446272.2110989.1206230771&type=1

can you say deuce, hewho, heat-on?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ojenson on February 20, 2012, 10:05:31 AM
Any news if Rec is playing with Int or Novice?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on February 20, 2012, 03:19:55 PM
it will be based solely on # of participants for that to be determined.....if there are over 90 people playing in the B-Tier, it will be determined by the TD on how to split up the divisions, but you typically will play within your division, though some divisions MAY play the saem course, at times they may play an entirely different course.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on February 28, 2012, 02:47:40 PM

We will be looking for about 100 volunteers this year, so please plan on helping if you can.  They don't all need to be disc golfers, as many of the needs will be beyond disc golf but the need to have a huge staff for this event is paramount.

We also will be looking to you to provide old photo's, memories, of the event as well.

More to follow soon.

If you have a chance to watch the Memorial this week on www.discgolfplanet.tv be sure to pay attention to the Wide Open information......
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: gleauzinier on February 29, 2012, 08:01:58 AM
so..............the national tour aspect of the wide open is only for the open men and women? everyone else plays an a or b tier event?
is this the trend for all other nt events?
 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on February 29, 2012, 10:22:19 AM
so..............the national tour aspect of the wide open is only for the open men and women? everyone else plays an a or b tier event?
is this the trend for all other nt events? 

in quite a few places yes.....even last year the Pro side was all NT, and the Am side was an A-Tier....This year it's just balanced different....

Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on March 05, 2012, 01:19:32 PM
Live-
http://www.facebook.com/KansasCityWideOpen

Hope some of you saw the Video Promo that ran during the Memorial on www.Discgolfplanet.tv

Camping at Swope is happening on the 23rd and 24th of March I believe, should be a good time!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Peter Bures on March 05, 2012, 04:32:35 PM
Played the Blue Valley short course this weekend and think it will do well on the same day as Blue Springs. Good mix of distance and technicality between the two.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on March 06, 2012, 09:15:31 AM
Excellent, that is the goal!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on March 06, 2012, 11:28:47 AM
Did you know.....

Over 5000 people have played in the Wide Open.......
Over $250,000 has been given away in Cash to players from the event......(This doesn't include any Am Payout $$$)
The 80's=376 players ~$10k
The 90's=2069 players ~$80k
The 00's=2339 players ~$140k
The 10's=356 players ~$22k

We are in year 2 of the 10's and we already beat the entire decade of the 80's in terms of cash, and was 7 years total, yet we are 20 short of smashing that decade attendance!

We need help to continue to make this event work folks.  If you can help for one afternoon or morning, it willmake a difference!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on March 08, 2012, 03:43:28 PM
Registrations are now coming in for the 30th KC Wide Open. So, far we have 88 places left in the NT, 173 in the A Tier, and 188 in the B-Tier. The entrants so far are:

NT
Avery   Jenkins   Santa Cruz   CA  MPO
Des   Reading   Wimberley   TX  FPO

A-Tier
Darrin Vlcek     Englewood   CO   MA1
Adam Cooney   Bend   OR   MA1
Juan   Hernandez    Kansas City   KS   MA1
Danny Sieveren   Sacramento   CA   MA1
Jay Reading   Wimberley   TX   MPM
Ed McCulley   Des Moines   IA   MPM
Dennis Vahsholtz   Herington   KS   MPS

B-Tier
Sam   Saluri   Windsor Heights   IA   MA4
Byron   Little   Des Moines   IA   MA2
            
Of course, I'm biased, but I really think the celebration of the 30th Wide Open, with its three PDGA events, will draw over 400 players. That we have advanced players coming from the West Coast is a good sign that people are thinking about the Wide Open already.

The KCFDC is working hand in hand with both Disc Golf World and Dynamic Discs to ensure the success of this Wide Open. The direction and management of the event has been entrusted to what we call the Gang of Fore—Crazy John Brooks, Dan Cashen, Jack Lowe, Tavish Carduff, and me. You’re going to be hearing much more about the event and why you should be part of it—as player and/or helper and/or sponsor. For now, I wanted to let you know how you can sign up.

You can download a registration form here: http://icebowlhq.com/docs/30thkcwideregistration.pdf

You can sign up online at these places:
PDGA Sign-ups: http://tinyurl.com/kcwoxxx
Dynamic Discs: http://dynamicdiscs.com/Disc-Golf-Tournaments/2012/kansas-city-wide-open.html

You can sign up in person now at: Disc Golf World, 509 E 18th St, Kansas City MO
And soon you’ll be able to sign up in person at: Dynamic Discs, 2854 W 47th Street, Kansas City, KS

Please give me shout if you’re interested in being part of this historic event and with your questions and suggestion.


Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ian on March 13, 2012, 10:36:55 AM
Can I sign up without having a PDGA number yet? It's pending.

So pumped to actually play this year!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on March 13, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
You can.


Can I sign up without having a PDGA number yet? It's pending.

So pumped to actually play this year!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on March 13, 2012, 08:57:55 PM
March 24th at Swope campground we will be having a volunteer/fun day planned with camping as well that night.  We will have some libations, and possibly some food as well for those that choose to spend the evening there.

Many of the games that will be part of the Wide Open will be on display that day as well.  So there will be some golf being played early in the afternoon, then head over to the camping party/engagement!

Please plan on attending to have many Wide Open questions answered as well!!

Thanks,

Jack
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: andyportwood on March 13, 2012, 11:15:49 PM
How long do the rounds usually last each day? I only ask because my wife's birthday is June 4th and I want to know that should I sign up if I will end up on the couch for the rest of the month. :P
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: kselrod on March 14, 2012, 09:08:31 AM
Depends on the length of marriage...

Newlyweds - on the couch for a couple of hours (lets face it, women have urges too)
5-10 years - couch for a couple of days max
10-15 years - spare bedroom for 4-5 days
15-20 years - friends house for at least a week
20-30 years - find a new place to live

Just a guideline...lol.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: The Bird Father on March 14, 2012, 09:42:01 AM
This will be the first year in 6 that I have been home for my wife's b-day.....due to the FRIZ!

As for the round length...this is the worst question to ask about tourny play....the TD has NO IDEA....it all depends on course length, weather, speed of play, and god forbid injured players.  I had a 4.5 hour round at the Wide Open last year due to a player with a broken ankle on the card in front of us.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jamidanger on March 14, 2012, 09:46:02 AM
my experience is 3 hours a round, unless you're on big blue or swope gold, then budget 4 hours. rolling tee times rule for big tourneys if there is the staff for it. if your wife can caddy for you, take her out to dinner, buy her a nice ring, and shoot well.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: dickthediscparker on March 14, 2012, 10:00:18 AM
How long do the rounds usually last each day? I only ask because my wife's birthday is June 4th and I want to know that should I sign up if I will end up on the couch for the rest of the month. :P

The tourney is only June 1-2-3 so you'll be done in time to celebrate her birthday.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: andyportwood on March 15, 2012, 11:07:39 AM
my experience is 3 hours a round, unless you're on big blue or swope gold, then budget 4 hours. rolling tee times rule for big tourneys if there is the staff for it. if your wife can caddy for you, take her out to dinner, buy her a nice ring, and shoot well.

HAHAHA!!! Yeah... She agreed to me playing as long as she could have my credit card to buy herself a birthday gift. This tourney is gonna cost me a fortune!   ???  ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: The Bird Father on March 19, 2012, 07:33:00 AM
So...has a "official schedule" been set?  Have people traveling from out of town and wanting to get time off work put in.   Fri-Sat right.......but what courses for divisions and such....couldn't find anything on the KCWO page either.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Peter Bures on March 19, 2012, 07:55:16 AM
So...has a "official schedule" been set?  Have people traveling from out of town and wanting to get time off work put in.   Fri-Sat right.......but what courses for divisions and such....couldn't find anything on the KCWO page either.

DD Website has a tentative schedule for day-to-day courses and such.

http://www.dynamicdiscs.com/disc-golf-tournaments/2012/kansas-city-wide-open.html
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on March 19, 2012, 09:16:19 AM
Advanced Am on Swope normal or Swope Gold?  There could potentially be a lot of repair work to do on the ropes if we play Swope regular.  Perhaps opting for paint this year would be a better bet.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on March 19, 2012, 01:43:02 PM
The plan is to use Swope Gold for all the Swope rounds.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on March 19, 2012, 03:01:06 PM
Ok, that sounds good. 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on March 19, 2012, 08:20:31 PM
I have found a spot with very inexpensive spray paint......do you think that the paint and flags will be enough Chris?  I know that we had a blast removing the string from the golf cart last year!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: The Bird Father on March 20, 2012, 07:46:07 AM
March 24th at Swope campground we will be having a volunteer/fun day planned with camping as well that night.  We will have some libations, and possibly some food as well for those that choose to spend the evening there.

Many of the games that will be part of the Wide Open will be on display that day as well.  So there will be some golf being played early in the afternoon, then head over to the camping party/engagement!

Please plan on attending to have many Wide Open questions answered as well!!

Thanks,

Jack

What is the weather plan for this?  Probably going to be pretty muddy for camping??

Will anything be going on Sunday?  Going to be there for a CC playoff at 2:30....may come early if stuff is still happening.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on March 20, 2012, 02:46:02 PM
We will be discussing this as the week progresses regarding the weather plan....we may have a few options to work on that would allow the games to continue, but maybe not the camping if the ground can't support it.....more to follow as we watch the weather as well.....
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: NoSponsor on March 20, 2012, 03:16:37 PM
Don't pitch your tent in a low lying area.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Peter Bures on March 25, 2012, 08:57:31 PM
Now that I'm registered, I'm nearly giddy with excitement.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on March 28, 2012, 10:01:49 AM
Who all went to the camping excursion at Swope?  I think that the next day is April 21, after the Swope Spring Renewal, any details?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: dickthediscparker on March 28, 2012, 04:58:58 PM
2012 KCWO - Blizzard Champion Dominators!
 
Disc Golf World is proud to be a part of the 30th Annual Kansas City Wide Open! We are now offering a pre-released run of Blizzard Champion Dominators in-store and online! These will also be available at Dynamic Discs in KC, along with other online vendors nationwide very soon. A list of all participating vendors will be posted soon on the kcfdc.org website.

Each purchase of these Dominators, which are speed 13 drivers with a stability between the Boss and the Katana, supports the Wide Open.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on April 04, 2012, 05:46:56 PM
Wide Open Update: We Want Players and Helpers

Tee off for KC Wide Open XXX is less than two months away. We're planning on hosting around 400 players, and are going to need some help to make this historic event as good as it possibly can be. We need players and we need helpers.

If you are playing, you can register in several ways:

1. By downloading an entry form at http://kcfdc.org/docs/30thkcwideregistration.pdf

2. At pdgasignup.com: http://tinyurl.com/kcwoxxx

3. At Dynamic Discs web site:  http://dynamicdiscs.com/Disc-Golf-Tournaments

4. At  Disc Golf World, 509 E 18th St. Kansas City MO 64108 or by calling 816.471.3472

5. At Dynamic Discs, 2854 West 47th Street, Kansas City, KS 66103

There are many ways you can help out during the event. We need volunteers to form Grounds Crews at each of the five courses we're using: Swope, Rosedale, Blue Valley, Water Works, and Young. Grounds crew members will make sure there is drinking water on the course, the tee pads are kept clean, OB markers are intact, banners and tee signs are in place and taken down, spotting during the rounds, and other related tasks.

While it would be great to find people who are available for all five rounds, we understand that for many people this will not be possible. So, if you can help out for only a round or two, that would be great. Help is needed for the morning rounds from 7:30 to about noon, and then from noon to about 4:30 in the afternoon. These time frames may change slightly after the schedule is set.

Some other tasks (but not all of them!) include helping out with the Triple X Games, plugging scores into a computer, carrying a leader board and scoring the final nine, spotting, post-event course clean-up, helping with player check-in on Thursday and Friday, course preparation (including marking OBs for Swope Gold), painting putting circles for each green, helping with the Youth Clinic and the NT Clinic on Thursday, soliciting sponsors, selling ads for the KC Wide Open Commemorative Program, and on and on.

Volunteering to be a member of a staff that pulls off a great disc golf  tournament is rewarding in and of itself and lots of fun. However, volunteers will receive tournament scwhag. People who can volunteer for all five rounds as a Grounds Crew member will get more benefits, including free entry to the Saturday Night Soiree that will be a party you do not want to miss.

If you think you may be interested or able in helping out or have questions about anything related the Wide Open, please call me at 816.471.3472 or send an email to kcwo@discgolfworld.com.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Miranda on April 05, 2012, 03:36:35 PM
Hi guys!  I'm not sure if my shoulder will be ready for this...
Was wonderin- if I pre-reg & can't play, you'll refund my entry, right?

If I don't play, I'll volunteer to help   ;)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on April 06, 2012, 02:19:01 PM
Hi guys!  I'm not sure if my shoulder will be ready for this...
Was wonderin- if I pre-reg & can't play, you'll refund my entry, right?

If I don't play, I'll volunteer to help   ;)
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PDGA_Competition_Manual_2011.pdf

We typically will follow the guidelines as well on this, please visit this information and review section 1.3.

So as long as you give proper notification Miranda, you will get the refund accordingly!

Thanks,

jack
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: rockiesfan4ever on April 19, 2012, 04:57:05 PM
Where would I go to possibly volunteer? I'd love to see a tournament or 2 before I actually compete.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on April 19, 2012, 09:52:07 PM
Rockiesfan^^

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If you think you may be interested or able in helping out or have questions about anything related the Wide Open, please call me (Rick Rothstein) at 816.471.3472 or send an email to kcwo@discgolfworld.com.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: rockiesfan4ever on April 19, 2012, 10:09:08 PM
Ok thank you!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on April 20, 2012, 12:16:14 AM
Yeah, my first Wide Open was done form behind the camera. Volunteering kicks ass! Its a great way to be apart of a really special tournament. The Wide Open is older than me!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: rockiesfan4ever on April 20, 2012, 01:48:11 AM
Same here man. I figured I'd get some good experience seeing how a tournament works before I play since I've only played Rec
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 02, 2012, 09:52:40 AM
BLUE VALLEY LEAGUE THE LAST TIME YOU CAN PLAY THE COURSE IN A LEAGUE BEFORE THE WIDE OPEN

League will be on May 7th at the Blue Valley Course in the Wide Open Configuration
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: cro on May 04, 2012, 05:26:18 PM
Are there going to be festivities and clinics on Thursday.  If so, where and what time?
Thanks for any info on this.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ptinkc on May 08, 2012, 12:12:13 PM
Played league last night and had a great time with the people I played with Adam, TJ Ring and Tank. The course looks good and it will look even better when its mowed. The layout is great it played 2.5 hours for the 4 of us. A lot of the original holes and a few new ones. A couple of holes need some work so here is some constructive ideas. Hole 4 and hole 13 both need a gap to get through. Even if its a 6' wide gap. These are both overhand thumber holes which I dont have that shot. Doesn't seem fair to us that don't throw those types of shots. I can throw very straight when needed and would thread the needle if the gap was there.
The course is a great layout and will be fun to play. 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jhinck2 on May 08, 2012, 12:15:36 PM
Agreed on 13, even though I have a thumber...but 4 has a fairly straightforward spike hyzer as well as high anny flex shot or spike anny route...
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: gleauzinier on May 08, 2012, 12:39:41 PM
Played league last night and had a great time with the people I played with Adam, TJ Ring and Tank. The course looks good and it will look even better when its mowed. The layout is great it played 2.5 hours for the 4 of us. A lot of the original holes and a few new ones. A couple of holes need some work so here is some constructive ideas. Hole 4 and hole 13 both need a gap to get through. Even if its a 6' wide gap. These are both overhand thumber holes which I dont have that shot. Doesn't seem fair to us that don't throw those types of shots. I can throw very straight when needed and would thread the needle if the gap was there.
The course is a great layout and will be fun to play.
the day my hero pete cashen can't come up with a shot to save the day is a sad and mournful day indeed. somebody please address these two holes before the wide open. thank you.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on May 08, 2012, 12:40:32 PM
Lord knows we don't want to have to CANCEL the Wide Open..
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 08, 2012, 12:41:12 PM
C'mon you two pick a thread.....I mean really you got to post in every forum just to make a point around here or what?

 ;D ::) :P

BTW, I had a great time at Disc Golf Day last week, I hope you did as well!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on May 08, 2012, 01:10:02 PM
Played league last night and had a great time with the people I played with Adam, TJ Ring and Tank. The course looks good and it will look even better when its mowed. The layout is great it played 2.5 hours for the 4 of us. A lot of the original holes and a few new ones. A couple of holes need some work so here is some constructive ideas. Hole 4 and hole 13 both need a gap to get through. Even if its a 6' wide gap. These are both overhand thumber holes which I dont have that shot. Doesn't seem fair to us that don't throw those types of shots. I can throw very straight when needed and would thread the needle if the gap was there.
The course is a great layout and will be fun to play.

I will also agree with you on #13.   However, I throw a stall turned over putter at that hole right now over the left side of the trees.  However, on #4 I like the high anny route.  Note that #4 isn't that long, so you don't need a super fast disc to get to that pin; I hit the trees on the right with a PD last night just short of pin high.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: LKillian on May 08, 2012, 03:39:07 PM
Everytime i get a hole with a spike hyzer or super spike flick/thumber line someone comes along wanting a straight up the middle bailout. You guys just need to breakdown and learn how to throw massive hyzers over trees. You can't just throw it perfectly straight at everything, thats freaking boring.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jhinck2 on May 08, 2012, 03:50:06 PM
In the words of Woody, "reach for the sky!"
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: gleauzinier on May 10, 2012, 01:23:58 PM
is the age rejected/advanced, a-tier portion of the 30th annual wide open disco extravaganza limited to 90 or what?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 10, 2012, 02:32:34 PM
ideally.....yeah, but if we have more, I am sure that something will be looked at......right now it doesn't appear to be a big problem...... ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 10, 2012, 04:09:34 PM
Here's the breakdown of entrants so far. It's picking up. If you are intending to play, it would be great if you registered sooner than later as it helps in our planning. As to the age-based pro divisions, there will be a minimum of $1800 added, which would mean a $3100 purse for the 13 men who have signed up so far.   

Open   25
Open Women   6
Adv Women Master   1
Adv Women   3
Advanced Men   32
Advance GM   11
Adv Masters   8
Adv SGM   2
Pro Masters   8
Pro GM   3
Pro SGM   2
Int Women   1
Int men   3
Rec Men   4
Nov Men   2
   111
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 12, 2012, 08:58:14 PM
Looking for high-res photos of 2010 open division champion Eric McCabe and women's open champ Jennifer Allen from the event. Awards photos are fine as are any they show faces.

Also, if anyone has historical Wide Open photos from 1983 to 1993, I'm very interested. We'd scan them and get them back to you.

Thanks
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Tom on May 16, 2012, 01:25:18 PM
What's the cap on # of players?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 16, 2012, 01:42:31 PM
I think that the NT=90
A-Tier=180
B-Tier=90
is where its at....
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: gleauzinier on May 16, 2012, 03:06:03 PM
ideally.....yeah, but if we have more, I am sure that something will be looked at......right now it doesn't appear to be a big problem...... ;D
add one more to the grandmasters. cmon tom, mgm up.
working on hemme, anybody else wants to see him let him know.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: otter on May 16, 2012, 04:26:37 PM
My $$ is on Theo Langner t win Adv Sen GRM.  WORD.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Loomis on May 20, 2012, 03:21:24 PM
Are any of the DD sponsored players going to play the KC WIDE OPEN?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: danhillaker on May 20, 2012, 05:19:00 PM
Any news on what is in the players pack and where to pick it up?  Just curious.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Tom on May 20, 2012, 06:52:49 PM
Are any of the DD sponsored players going to play the KC WIDE OPEN?

Liz Lopez and Page Pierce have signed up.....
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Loomis on May 20, 2012, 09:42:17 PM
That's interesting.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: KCVinnie on May 20, 2012, 10:21:54 PM
I have not been around disc golf that long and may be missing something here, but why did the event in Emporia in April have 400ish people signed up 2 weeks before the event and we have an NT yet are only at 150ish for the 30th Wide Open?

The biggest difference seems to me to be the intermediate level, where Emporia had well over 100 and we are at 15ish.  The argument that the 3 rounds hurts the draw seems poor since ALL of Emporia's levels only played 3 rounds.

Is it normal to have a late surge of sign-ups for the open?  I hope so, because I would like this to be a BIG event.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Peter Bures on May 20, 2012, 10:33:33 PM
I was talking to someone about this the other day, who noted that the GBO has more people play (usually) than the KCWO, but I feel like the KCWO is the NT Event and has more prestige.


Not sure why, this is my first year playing either event so I'm not sure.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: robm on May 20, 2012, 10:54:32 PM
I've been actually thinking along these lines as well, but wasn't going to post.  Now the cat's out of the bag...

One thing may possibly be the Pro Purse.  GBO tends to be larger.  DD also seems to have a pretty big draw from TX and OK, KC is another 1.5 hr farther north.

I was surprised on how strong the Intermediate turnout was for GBO.  It may have to do that it is early in the year and people have cabin fever and want to get out and compete.

2011 DD players playing in the KCWO:

Nikko
McCabe
Uli
McBeth

and more.

The Open signup will fill I believe.  It's an NT event, they want the NT points.  The B - tiers, I'm kind of wondering.

As a Novice signee, I would be up for having the Rec and Novice all put into a Novice pool.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Loomis on May 20, 2012, 10:59:50 PM
One tournament promotes itself a wee bit more than the other. Consider it the difference between a youth movement and an old guard approach to rock-n-roll. Hype has a way of blowing things out of proportion and making things appear greater than they are. It boils down to perception - One appears better than the other, even if the merits are equal.

Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: dickthediscparker on May 21, 2012, 03:22:29 PM
(http://kcfdc.org/images/kcwoFULLCOLORdisc2012.JPG)

This is the Full Color Buzzz that will be in every AM player pack for the 30th Kansas City Wide Open.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on May 21, 2012, 03:29:16 PM
Wow, that is rock solid, Dick. I'm lovin it!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: phisherman_77 on May 21, 2012, 03:43:38 PM
That's it! 4 rounds at Prairie Center!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on May 21, 2012, 04:20:29 PM
I personally love the idea of the A-Tier playing the same courses as the Pros. We're not playing the original version of Blue valley, so its really not THAT big of a deal to play 2 courses a day. If you don't think you can handle the 5-course option there's always intermediate for you :)

As for the art, sure its being a little recycled, but what else do you recommend be put on there? I think its a pretty sweet representation of Kansas City. Only thing better could be Oldenburg's shuttlecock statues :D If we want something new and unique someone has to take the time and effort to DO IT. That's what it really all comes down to.

Also, how is this event the same year over year? Other than format, or courses chosen what would you like to see be 'different'
Are you playing in the KCWO?

What about the XXX games, isn't that a neat and new idea we're integrating with the Wide Open?

Its hard to say something Stinks when you aren't out there making it smell better. (Or maybe you are!!?)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ian on May 21, 2012, 04:27:24 PM
Too tough of a schedule? I moved up from Intermediate to Advanced solely to play the 5 rounds of golf. If you want it to be considered a real sport, you can't complain about the physical aspect of the game. Acclimate yourself to playing in the heat, do your research about proper hydration and most of all get in shape.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on May 21, 2012, 04:58:41 PM
It takes a bit of a design from a 2009 Worlds disc and puts a new spin on it. It was drawn by Zach Kelbaugh.

http://www.zamdesign.com/ (http://www.zamdesign.com/)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: five2loves42 on May 21, 2012, 05:07:55 PM
Let the personal attacks fly!

...

Really?  I did not see anything "personal" about the responses above.

My favorite Disc Golf Day logo was Bartle Hall with the Coke font.  And I think this one is pretty cool as well.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: sirbronco on May 21, 2012, 05:23:28 PM
Gotta find that "Like" button for the disc.  Can't wait to check one out for myself.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on May 21, 2012, 08:02:19 PM
Yeah, nothing personal in my responses, just voicing my opinion and junk.

I hope those 6 people you know are playing intermediate then. I honestly don't think there is a golfer here that cant handle that schedule. It's surely not going to be easy. It's going to be a physically demanding setup that will eventually crown a champion in all divisions! To me, that's what good golf is all about.

It's 2 rounds a day. I know I wont be party-hardying on friday or saturday night, that's for sure. As far as pace of play goes, I'm fully prepared for that aspect of the game. It's going to be a TON of waiting, gotta get my mind in good shape for that!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Tom on May 22, 2012, 08:15:16 AM
That's it! 4 rounds at Prairie Center!

There isn't enough Deet in the City for four rounds at PC.  ???
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: eeastwood on May 22, 2012, 09:25:40 AM
I'm excited about the KCWO this year and I wished more people would get on board.  I like the format.  I think it will be extremely challenging with lots of golf.  It does take a big committment to play in it (cost and time).  I liked the logo on the fundraising disc, but the image on the full color buzz is not my cup of tea (that eyeball in the upper left corner keeps staring at me saying...." WHY didn't you make that PUTT?".  But who knows, maybe I will like it better when I see it in person.  As much energy and focus the KCFDC put on this event, I would really hope that it would measure up to other comparible tournaments like the GBO in terms of payouts, players pack, courses, and execution.  Just an FYI, the players pack at the GBO was awesome and will be tough to beat.  I got a Titanium Wasp (retail $25), Cryztal FLX Drone (retail $20-30 depending on where purchased), dryfit shirt, hat, glass mini, water bottle, and a pair of Keen socks.  I think it's important to support Kansas City's biggest tournament, which I wholeheartedly do, and I think its important to let people know what you liked, didn't like, or that didn't live up to expectations (whether they want to hear them or not).         
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Dale W on May 22, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
A large portion of the lower local turnout for the KCWO as comparied to the GBO is the fact that a tournament of this scale needs A LOT of  volunteers.  If the volunteers (myself and family included) weren't helping, we would/could be playing (I took the whole week of vacation and my wife took Thurs/Fri for it).  Don't mistake what I am saying....I/we made the decision to help instead of play and am NOT complaining about the need for volunteers.  I AM saying that this tourney needs the players to come from other areas (Des Moines, St. Louis, Wichita, Omaha, and all other points not in KC) in order to have the field fill up.  What can we do to entice that? Personally, I thought the GBO did an AMAZING job on the player pack at a moderate entry fee.  Are we doing that good of a job?  Quess that will be answered in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: phisherman_77 on May 22, 2012, 07:07:31 PM
Are there going to be any NT player clinics?  Has anyone tried to maybe contact the Nonstop Disc Golf guys?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: tallguy007kc on May 22, 2012, 09:36:23 PM
What time is the players meeting on Friday morning?  I've seen conversations for just about everything but what time to be at the courses for the first round.  Just askin'  :)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 22, 2012, 10:20:17 PM
Players meetings are at 8:00 on your courses I believe all three days.

Just finished "pre-prepping" Swope Gold tonight, the back 3 holes will play slightly different this year than in years past.

If you don't like the logo's that we have, please try to do something that helps, like create the art, and give it to someone that is working on the planning crew for this event.

Players Pack will be nice, they almost always are here in KC.

The extra events happening all week will only help to add to the excitement.

In the last 30 years, what other sporting event has happened every year?  We have had the Royals and the Chiefs play in those 30 years, how many other sporting events/teams can you name over the last 3 decades that are no longer here?

With close to 30 courses to play in Kansas City it is tough to limit the courses.  With 30 years of the event, its a great testament that we get to play some of the original courses, and some of the new courses.

Coming to Kansas City to play disc golf on 1-2 courses is for when you have to visit family and leave on the same day.  Maybe that is why the Wide Open has not seen a consistent winner of the event, and as an NT, a different player has typically one it, and in many instances it has been their first National Tour Victory.  Although the argument may be made for repeat performances on a course, it historically hasn't been the case in KC.  Last year we played 4 courses in 3 days.  This year its 5 courses in 3 days, but is only going to add about 1,500' in distance totals from last year's 4 courses, playing close to 34,000' and last year's 4 courses were close to 32,500'.  I guess taking out #17 & 18 at Blue Valley removing that 1,600' helps in that equation.  Swope Gold will play the longest and the highest par at a 59.

Bottom line, this is history.  There is no other location that is hosting it's 30th annual event, that has hosted 3 world Championships, and has a history of being one of the friendliest locations on the disc golf tournament scene over the years.  You may not like a person or two in Kansas City, but for those couple of bad apples in your mind, you know that you love at least 5-6 others.

So quit complaining about having to play disc golf on great courses with a great amenities planned for you to enjoy, and enjoy playing the sport that you like/love.

This event will be spectactular, and you will either enjoy it, hear stories about it, or wish you were here.......if you can't play, come watch, play some of the Triple X games, enjoy the camping, the free concert's, the free clinic, the kids clinic on Thursday.....the disc dogs, the catered saturday night soiree, the DJ', and of course the golf.  If there is one thing that Kansas City has it is great disc golf.  You know it, so come see how it makes you humble.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 22, 2012, 10:42:02 PM
Swope set up sneak peek....

Yep....It is going to be a fun set up.  Hopefully it will be set for league next week in the Wide Open configuration.
A little sneak peak.....
1--play 1 long, surrounded by OB, double Mando off Pad
2--play 2 long, with OB both sides of fairway, and ob behind pin
3--play to #3 middle (just before Road) OB right/left, all the way up to road
4--play from #4 pad to #5 left long pin position.  OB all the way up the fairway right, and Road, tappering towards pin and behind pin

****walk past house North to road tee****
5--Following Gregory, on west side of fairway, all the way, pin on an island, OB Right all the way up, 3 roads OB on the way
6--throw across "lake" shortest from pad, easier area ~210', farther down, skinnier fairway, close to 400' to clear must clear the little "bushes" from the pad or re-tee
7--short little Island shot, drop zone if you miss, by Parks Building
8--Plays #6 long with OB all over it
9--plays to #7 which is an island green, either on the green or drop zone, drop zone right by double mando :-)
10--plays to #8 (OB is around shack only)
11--plays #9 short--then go to #11 Short pad, skip hole #10
12--plays to #11 long (the come backer' pin for those in the know!  ps, you're old if you get it) OB right all the way up the fairway
13--plays to #12 right, standard OB rules, road and across
14--plays #13 long, you are on the only "inbounds" location on that side of the road, OB will be the road on the other side, or the OB line all the way up the fairway in the woods.  If your tee shot goes OB, you go to Drop (short pad)
15--plays from #14 long, to #15 pin across the road.  Past the rocks is OB, and there is a drop zone for your second shot, regular OB rules on your drive.  You must be on the Island after second shot, unless you are still inbounds.  When you go to throw on the island, if you don't make it, go to drop zone.  If you hit the basket and roll off the island, you go to drop if you are throwing across the road....get it?  :-)
16--Will be the corner from Gregory like last year, to long #16 with OB all the way up on the right, and OB road on the left.
17--Left placement, OB behind it all around.
18--Middle placement with OB on both sides of Fairways.

All Rocks will be OB, from the outer edge essentially, it will be lined up OB.

Can you help work on the course this weekend, reach out to Timko!

Thanks,

Jack
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 22, 2012, 10:44:00 PM
For the Wide Open, Par (x) is next to the hole distance for the Wide Open

Blue Valley   
1-516(3)
2-509(3)   
3-360(3)   
4-342(3)   
5-306(3)   
6-534(4)   
7-618(3)   
8-462(3)   
9-365(3)   
Front 9-4012(28)   
10-417(4)   
11-294(3)   
12-351(3)   
13-237(3)   
14-416(3)
15-387(3)
16-406(4)   
17-404(3)   
18-440(3)
Back 9-3352(29)   
Total-7,364(57)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Peter Bures on May 23, 2012, 12:29:00 AM
I really hope Swope Gold is set for next week, I'd love to get to practice it at some point.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on May 23, 2012, 08:06:12 AM
The pins should be set. The string will be up after they mow, but you can see where it's going to be since we painted spots last night.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 23, 2012, 08:17:44 AM
Scheduling information will be posted online as well as emailed directly to all pre-registrants quite soon, but first wanted to address the less than robust B-Tier registration.

So yes, I'm kind of surprised that the B-Tier Wide Open for intermediate, recreational, and novice players has not, so far, drawn more players. We hope this will change in the next 48 hours. The shirt order has to be placed by noon on Friday, which means if you think you want to play, let me know your  division and shirt size BEFORE NOON ON FRIDAY!
 
Here are some reasons why lesser-rated players should be part of this historical event:
The cost is only $55 (add $10 more if not PDGA) and here's what you get:

 1. Play three of the courses that the pros will be playing: Swope Gold, Water Works, and Blue Valley.
 2. A very cool SuperColor ESP Buzzz
 3. Pigment Dyed Performance Shirt
 4. Dynamic Disc Dirt Bag
 5. Saturday Night Soiree featuring a full Italian dinner. Check out frankiejscatering.com. Also a DJ, Triple X competition, and more will be happening
 6. 30th Annual KCWO Commemorative Program - 32 page magazine tracks each of the previous 29 Wide Open
 7. Vintage issue of Disc Golf World News--a large glossy, well-written magazine from years gone by.
 8. Prizes based on finished, and some CTPS too.(but you’ll have to earn these!)
 
Besides what a player gets, there are even more opportunities.
1.  Meet and greet Ken Climo at Disc Golf World on Friday night
2.  Dynamic Disc Team Clinic on the DD KC Store on Friday night
3.  That's right: TWO disc golf stores in one town to check out!
4.   Triple X games - $20 includes your Passport Disc. Field is limited to participate in some wild and wacky Frisbee   games.  Fun and prizes.
5.   Low cost camping at Swope Park - $10 a night
6.   Final 9 at Swope featuring top 4 men and top 3 women
7.    Sunday's free Concert in the Park after the Final 9
8.   DD Doubles on Friday at Rosedale
9.   Watching the top pros at Blue Valley and/or Wilbur Young on Friday
10. Becoming part of a 30-year tradition.



Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: kselrod on May 23, 2012, 08:20:19 AM

With close to 30 courses to play in Kansas City it is tough to limit the courses. 

Is this a typo or is their really almost 30 courses in K.C.?  There must be a bunch that aren't listed on the website that I don't even know about then.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jhinck2 on May 23, 2012, 08:31:55 AM
Depending on what you consider the "metro", yes there are close to 30.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Loomis on May 23, 2012, 08:41:22 AM
1. swope
2. rosie
3. ww
4. cliff
5. blue valley
6. shawnee mission
7. blue springs
8. william yates
9. legacy
10. pleasant hill
11. kearney
12
13
14. Smithville
15. Blue Valley (kansas)
16. Olathe
17. Wyco
18. Down Under
19. Old Pike

Does Lawrence count?

nine hole
20. Blue Valley
21. Platte City
22. Parkville
23. California Trail

....

What did I miss?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jhinck2 on May 23, 2012, 08:45:49 AM
Well if you want to get technical, there are three courses at Smithville for starters. Ha
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: sirbronco on May 23, 2012, 08:55:30 AM
There is a 18 hole course at the Middle School at 165th and Antioch in Johnson county
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jhinck2 on May 23, 2012, 08:58:41 AM
Oops didn't see the spaces above Smithville.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 23, 2012, 09:04:05 AM
I think that is why he has the 3 blank spots before it.....there are also 4 private courses that are not listed, the ones that everyone knows about in Thornfield/fuzzy pony.....  The others, at the request of owners, remain silent.....so not counting Lawrence, though one could based on location, Lawrence courses are closer to my house than Pleasant Hill is for example....we are pretty well close to 30, and then John Thiess is working on the new course in North-town, and I am working on a proposal in Raytown, and Black Hoof in Lenexa isn't entirely dead, just in a comma awaiting a revival at the right time......

So yeah we got it pretty good.  But if you only want to play 1 course an entire weekend, then you probably need to step up and run the Wide Open to make that happen, because over the 30 year span, I think that only the first 8 years where attendance was less than 90 did you only play one course, and in some of those cases they were on temporary courses, called Shawnee Mission Park, and this other location called Water Works Park....good thing to use new places to help spread the impact that our sport can bring to your area in hindsight huh?  But why should we use "new" courses?  Can you imagine the riot act we would get putting the Wide Open on a temporary course in today's environment.  Some things change, but it is after all the Kansas City WIDE OPEN, it's not the Swope Gold Challenge, the Water Works Wonderful, the Rosedale Remembered, it is the KANSAS CITY WIDE OPEN, and baby its WIDE OPEN TO PLAY!

Come and get some!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 23, 2012, 09:04:53 AM
There is a 18 hole course at the Middle School at 165th and Antioch in Johnson county

Blue Valley-Kansas=Blue Valley School  ;D
is that one!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Jake B on May 23, 2012, 09:11:44 AM
I am working on a proposal in Raytown

Is this a secret? Where?!!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 23, 2012, 09:15:50 AM
Let me add another reason to join the KC Wide Open...come several days earlier and play some of the many excellent courses that are NOT going to be used in the Wide Open.

Scheduling information will be posted online as well as emailed directly to all pre-registrants quite soon, but first wanted to address the less than robust B-Tier registration.

So yes, I'm kind of surprised that the B-Tier Wide Open for intermediate, recreational, and novice players has not, so far, drawn more players. We hope this will change in the next 48 hours. The shirt order has to be placed by noon on Friday, which means if you think you want to play, let me know your  division and shirt size BEFORE NOON ON FRIDAY!
 
Here are some reasons why lesser-rated players should be part of this historical event:
The cost is only $55 (add $10 more if not PDGA) and here's what you get:

 1. Play three of the courses that the pros will be playing: Swope Gold, Water Works, and Blue Valley.
 2. A very cool SuperColor ESP Buzzz
 3. Pigment Dyed Performance Shirt
 4. Dynamic Disc Dirt Bag
 5. Saturday Night Soiree featuring a full Italian dinner. Check out frankiejscatering.com. Also a DJ, Triple X competition, and more will be happening
 6. 30th Annual KCWO Commemorative Program - 32 page magazine tracks each of the previous 29 Wide Open
 7. Vintage issue of Disc Golf World News--a large glossy, well-written magazine from years gone by.
 8. Prizes based on finished, and some CTPS too.(but you’ll have to earn these!)
 
Besides what a player gets, there are even more opportunities.
1.  Meet and greet Ken Climo at Disc Golf World on Friday night
2.  Dynamic Disc Team Clinic on the DD KC Store on Friday night
3.  That's right: TWO disc golf stores in one town to check out!
4.   Triple X games - $20 includes your Passport Disc. Field is limited to participate in some wild and wacky Frisbee   games.  Fun and prizes.
5.   Low cost camping at Swope Park - $10 a night
6.   Final 9 at Swope featuring top 4 men and top 3 women
7.    Sunday's free Concert in the Park after the Final 9
8.   DD Doubles on Friday at Rosedale
9.   Watching the top pros at Blue Valley and/or Wilbur Young on Friday
10. Becoming part of a 30-year tradition.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Loomis on May 23, 2012, 09:16:19 AM
Jack. Yes. That is the blue valley middle school antioch course I was referring too.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jhinck2 on May 23, 2012, 09:17:38 AM
Jake, I heard about a proposed course in raymore, but Raytown is news to me as well.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Loomis on May 23, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
I would really, really, really love a course at Longview lake. Really, really.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on May 23, 2012, 09:18:35 AM
I think Lawrence should count. I went out there for a round yesterday. It isn't that far. Not much farther from downtown than PHill.

USM can be on the list. Nine permanent baskets and eighteen marked tees. But it is private. It's available on Tuesdays or Wednesdays for anyone that wants to check it out. Just contact me. It's about twenty minutes north of WyCo.

Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 23, 2012, 09:27:32 AM
I am working on a proposal in Raytown

Is this a secret? Where?!!

It is a secret, yes.  It is in its infancy stages right now.  Once it gets approved, I will share with all.  There are a few twists on this that will make you all wonder out loud if approved.....can't wait, but that is for the summer months ahead.  Lets finish the last month of Spring by having a great Wide Open!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 23, 2012, 09:32:11 AM
Are there going to be any NT player clinics?  Has anyone tried to maybe contact the Nonstop Disc Golf guys?

http://www.pdga.com/crazy-john-brooks-welcomes-you-to-kc (http://www.pdga.com/crazy-john-brooks-welcomes-you-to-kc)

Check out this article for some other good information!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: phisherman_77 on May 23, 2012, 09:43:43 AM
I am working on a proposal in Raytown

Is this a secret? Where?!!

It is a secret, yes.  It is in its infancy stages right now.  Once it gets approved, I will share with all.  There are a few twists on this that will make you all wonder out loud if approved.....can't wait, but that is for the summer months ahead.  Lets finish the last month of Spring by having a great Wide Open!

You and your secrets.  I will keep my vow and remain silent about Raytown.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: CD on May 23, 2012, 09:46:46 AM
I love the last sentence of Crazy's letter... "Get stoked!"

Just wondering: will Scott Stokely be making an appearance?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: KCVinnie on May 23, 2012, 09:58:43 AM
Jack, thanks for the link to the article, good stuff.  I might post that link in dgcourse review with some of Rick's info as well.  I'm definitely looking forward to the event and hope more and more jump on board in the next couple of weeks.

An NT, Youngs and BV included in the course lineup, nice players pack, and everything else...can't wait. 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: phisherman_77 on May 23, 2012, 10:04:16 AM
Looking for a win from you Vince!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: KCVinnie on May 23, 2012, 10:23:52 AM
Palmer, if there were a line on the tourney, I would probably be at 10,000 to 1, but I'm going to give it my best shot and appreciate the encouragement.  My money right now would be on Adam or Jordan, if healthy, making a good run at the title.

I hope you are volunteering or your the registration just hasn't been updated to show that you are playing.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: asjzn6 on May 23, 2012, 12:40:56 PM
I am working on a proposal in Raytown

Is this a secret? Where?!!

It is a secret, yes.  It is in its infancy stages right now.  Once it gets approved, I will share with all.  There are a few twists on this that will make you all wonder out loud if approved.....can't wait, but that is for the summer months ahead.  Lets finish the last month of Spring by having a great Wide Open!

I work for the YMCA in Raytown I am starting a youth Disc Golf program there this summer. As far as interested members of the community keep the YMCA in mind
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 23, 2012, 01:44:47 PM
I work for the YMCA in Raytown I am starting a youth Disc Golf program there this summer. As far as interested members of the community keep the YMCA in mind

I will do so, I love that information!!  Thanks so much for all the outreach you have been doing this entire year!!!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Loomis on May 23, 2012, 02:16:10 PM
Deja VU!!! I think I wrote about this issue last year.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jamidanger on May 23, 2012, 02:34:36 PM
that's too much to read! courses are looking good, and i'll be signing up this week, PGM
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: otter on May 23, 2012, 03:17:24 PM
IFF counting the three Lawrence courses: Centennial, Riverfront & Clinton Lake.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Tom on May 23, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
You playin the KCWO Mr. Otter?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: otter on May 23, 2012, 03:20:00 PM
Nope. 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 23, 2012, 05:57:43 PM
You playin the KCWO Mr. Otter?

How about you Tom?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: andyportwood on May 23, 2012, 07:32:12 PM
I would really, really, really love a course at Longview lake. Really, really.

I second that!!!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Tom on May 24, 2012, 07:52:11 AM
You playin the KCWO Mr. Otter?

How about you Tom?

I haven't decided yet. I don't know two of the five courses, and haven't been practicing much, but it is a historic event that everyone in the metro that is a disc golfer should participate in.

The long range forecast this morning is looking good so far.....  8)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on May 24, 2012, 09:20:48 AM
If you don't play can you volunteer?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Adam Morrison on May 24, 2012, 03:25:40 PM
So far I have skimmed through the forum and seen about half of the pages posts. I don't see anything that tells the for sure times and courses that each division is playing. Plenty of info on HOW to register but I can't find the information I need as a player who is already registered. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on May 24, 2012, 03:38:25 PM
Tees and courses are still dependent upon how many people register.  Right now, a tentative schedule can be found on the registration page through Dynamic Discs.

http://dynamicdiscs.com/disc-golf-tournaments/2012/kansas-city-wide-open.html (http://dynamicdiscs.com/disc-golf-tournaments/2012/kansas-city-wide-open.html)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jamidanger on May 24, 2012, 03:39:27 PM
(http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/jamidanger/wideopen.jpg)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: gleauzinier on May 24, 2012, 11:19:01 PM
hemme! hemme! hemme!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Adam Morrison on May 24, 2012, 11:43:17 PM
What are Tee Times?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Peter Bures on May 25, 2012, 12:27:24 AM
Tee times aren't finalized yet, as registration is still open for the event. Tee times will be available in due time.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Mike LaFontaine on May 25, 2012, 11:26:49 AM
Does anyone know the tee times?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: gleauzinier on May 25, 2012, 11:31:32 AM
fyi: final results won't be posted until after the tournament.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: robm on May 25, 2012, 11:58:52 AM
NT, A, and B signup so far: 205
NT and A from last year: 172

205 - 34 B's = 171.

We are only 1 off from last year with a week to go yet.  I'm excited to play....
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: robm on May 25, 2012, 12:01:12 PM
Morning rounds:
Player meetings at 8:10, tee off at 8:30

PM rounds:
Player meetings at 1 pm; tee off at 1:30

Sunday final 9 at 1:30

So the NT are playing 5 rounds, last one at Swope, plus top (whatever) play an additional 9 at Swope for a total of 27 Swope holes on Sunday?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on May 25, 2012, 01:54:11 PM
Correct.

Top 4 men and top 3 women in the final 9. 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ojenson on May 25, 2012, 06:37:24 PM
Cant wait for this tourny!! Isnt the max rating on novice a 850?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 26, 2012, 04:06:10 PM
Here's the official schedule. It's part of a letter that has been sent to registered players. Please note that we are now limiting the NT to 72 players, the A-Tier to 144 players, and the B-Tier to 72 players. The registration list at pdga.com is updated as of 4:00 on May 26.

Scheduling Information
There are actually two schedules below: the first includes all events and times and the second shows the disc golfing schedule only, broken down by PDGA Tournament classification and pools and times. Look at the second schedule for which courses you will be playing. Please note and share this information to people who are still considering whether to play or not, that we are now limiting the NT to 72 players, the A-Tier to 144, and the B-Tier to 72. Current registration for each is: NT—54 in, holding spots for 5 players—13 left; A-Tier—125 in, holding a spot of one player—14 left. B-Tier—42 in—30 left.

As you review the playing schedule, A-Tier players please take note that as we move towards our 144 capacity, that we might have to switch up some divisions to make sure that each pool has roughly the same number of players in it.

Schedule of Events for the 30th Annual KC Wide Open
Thursday, May 31 – Swope Park
Noon-6 pm:     NT/A-Tier Check in. Triple X Games Registration and Early Competition. Camping registration.
1:00 pm-3 pm:    Youth Clinic Presented by Fade Gear and Innova Disc Golf
3:15 pm-3:30 pm:    Jeff Sheetz & Team Towzer Disc Dogs
5:15 pm-5:30 pm:    Jeff Sheetz & Team Towzer Disc Dogs
5:30 pm-6:30 pm:    Opening ceremony and welcome to Kansas City.

Friday, June 1
8:10 am:       First Round players meeting
8:28 am:       First Round two-minute warning
8:30 am:       First Round tee-off
12 pm-6 pm:    Rosedale: B-Tier check-in and late registration
1:00 pm:       Second Round players meeting
1:18 pm;       Second Round two-minute warning
1:20 pm:       Second Round tee-off
1:20 pm:       All courses – tee-off
5:00 pm:      Enjoy Kansas City. Fun at the Frisbee Mountain Campground.

Saturday, June 2
8:10 am:       Third round (NT, A-Tier), First round (B-Tier) players meetings
8:28 am:       Third round (NT, A-Tier), First round (B-Tier) two-minute warnings:   
8:30 am:       Third round (NT, A-Tier), First round (B-Tier) tee-offs
1:00 pm:       Fourth round (NT, A-Tier), Second round (B-Tier) players meetings:
1:18 pm:       Fourth round (NT, A-Tier), Second round (B-Tier) two-minute warnings:
1:20 pm:       Fourth round (NT, A-Tier), Second round (B-Tier) tee-offs
4:00 pm:       Swope Park Main Bandstand: DJ Cyrus D. Triple X competition for non-KCWO players
5 pm-9 pm:    Swope Park Main Bandstand: Saturday Night Soiree  featuring dinner starting at 5:30, DJ Cyrus D, XXX games, KCWO Champions Recognition.

Sunday, June 3
8:10 am:       Fifth round (NT, A-Tier), Third round (B-Tier) players meetings
8:28 am:       Fifth round (NT, A-Tier), Third round (B-Tier) two-minute warnings:   
8:30 am:       Fifth round (NT, A-Tier), Third round (B-Tier) tee-offs
12 pm:       Rosedale: A-Tier and B-Tier Awards Ceremony

Swope Park
12 pm-1:30 pm:   Lunch, free time, DJ Cyrus D
1:30 pm:       Final 9 for top 4 open players and top 3 women’s open players
3 pm-3:15 pm:    Flying Disc Dogs Demo — Jeff Sheetz and “Team Towzer”
3:15 pm-4 pm:    Awards and Closing Ceremonies
4:00 pm-4:15 pm:    Triple X Games Finals in Accuracy, Speed-Putting, & KC Hold ‘Em
4:20 pm-8:30 pm:    Free Concert in the Swope Park: Featuring Counter Culture,” KC’s favorite jam-band!
 
Playing Schedule for the 30th Annual KC Wide Open
This schedule is based on registration numbers on May 25. Pool A and Pools D will not change. Depending on final registration numbers, there might be some divisional switching in Pools B and C. Also, round 2 start times are subject to slight alteration.

KCWO — NT   Pool A – Divisions: Open & Women’s Open
Friday 8:10 am   Round 1: Wilbur Young Park 
Friday 1:00 pm   Round 2: Blue Valley Park 
Saturday 8:10 am   Round 3: Rosedale Park
Saturday 1:00 pm   Round 4: Water Works Park 
Sunday 8:10 pm   Round 5: Swope Park
Sunday 1:15 pm   Final Round for top 4 men and top 3 women: Swope Park

KCWO — A-Tier   Pool B - Divisions: Pro Masters, Pro Women Masters, Pro Grandmasters, Pro Sr Grandmasters, Advanced Grandmasters, Adv Senior Grand Masters
Friday 8:10 am   Round 1: Blue Valley Park   
Friday 1:00 pm   Round 2: Wilbur Young Park 
Saturday 8:10 am   Round 3: Water Works Park
Saturday 1:00 pm   Round 4: Swope Park 
Sunday 8:10 am    Round 5: Rosedale Park

KCWO — A-Tier   Pool C - Divisions: Advanced Men, Advanced Women, Advanced Masters
Friday 8:10 am   Round 1: Swope Park   
Friday 1:00 pm   Round 2: Water Works Park 
Saturday 8:10 am   Round 3: Wilbur Young Park
Saturday 1:00 pm   Round 4: Rosedale Park 
Sunday 8:10 pm   Round 5: Blue Valley Park

KCWO — B-Tier   Pool D - Divisions: Intermediate Men, Int. Women, Recreational, Novice
Saturday 8:10 am   Round 1: Swope Park 
Saturday 1:00 pm   Round 2: Blue Valley Park 
Sunday 8:10 pm   Round 3: Water Works Park

Address questions to:
Rick Rothstein 816.471.3472 or 816.914.0094
Crazy John Brooks: 913.220-0591
Dan Cashen (camping): 913.638.6399
Also, visit kcfdc.org for updates.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jhinck2 on May 26, 2012, 04:23:58 PM
It a typo, but may want to clarify via email that the final round Sunday is at 8:10 am and not pm
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: coops on May 26, 2012, 04:35:23 PM
Question:

I was under the impression that round 5 for the NT would be on tee times. Is that not the case? (I saw the approximate time for the top cards but other than that it was unclear.)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on May 26, 2012, 06:30:18 PM
None rounds are on tee times.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: tallguy007kc on May 27, 2012, 09:59:00 AM
As I'm officially an "Out-of-Towner" now, completely stoked to be making the trip up there for this!  8)

Question though, and I'm pretty sure I know the answer but, I'll be traveling up there either Thursday evening or EARLY Friday morning and wanted to make sure that check-in for me to get the players pack and what not would be possible before/at the first round?....giggity...
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 27, 2012, 10:04:41 AM
Question:

I was under the impression that round 5 for the NT would be on tee times. Is that not the case? (I saw the approximate time for the top cards but other than that it was unclear.)

Cooper,

Tee times were never a consideration after we decided to go with a LOT of golf AND a final 9.

Rick
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 27, 2012, 10:07:03 AM
As I'm officially an "Out-of-Towner" now, completely stoked to be making the trip up there for this!  8)

Question though, and I'm pretty sure I know the answer but, I'll be traveling up there either Thursday evening or EARLY Friday morning and wanted to make sure that check-in for me to get the players pack and what not would be possible before/at the first round?....giggity...

James,

We intend to have players package at the course for those unable to check in on Thursday. If you get there earlier enough (30 minutes or so before the meeting), we should be able to get it to you before the round. After the round, for sure.

Rick
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 27, 2012, 10:07:55 AM
It a typo, but may want to clarify via email that the final round Sunday is at 8:10 am and not pm

Typo's been fixed. Also have added that B-Tier check in is at Rosedale.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Rick Rothstein on May 27, 2012, 11:00:05 AM
Just got word from the Photo Editor at DiscGolfer magazine that they will hold the press for the Wide Open to see if we can come up with a riveting action or emotion-laden photo of the eventual open and/or open women's champions. We have to deliver to the photo by Monday morning. Think cover...vertical orientation. If it makes the cover by itself, they'll pay up to $100. If you're interested and have the equipment to produce a very high-resolution photo, please call me.


 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on May 28, 2012, 04:28:09 PM
For those interested in playing Swope Gold, here is the layout:

1.  Normal Hole 1
2.  Normal Hole 2
3.  Normal Hole 3
4.  Pad 4 to left pin 5

Walk north.  Stick to the left side of the trees to stay out of the yard.  Tee pads have pink paint in front of them

5.  By sign to an island between the inlets for the gravel lake.

Walk east next to the northern side of the gravel lake.

6.  From edge to top of hill in the corner of the fences.

Walk west, then south along the fence line.

7.  From road to island.
8.  Normal Hole 6
9.  Normal Hole 7
10. Normal Hole 8
11. Normal Hole 9
12. Short tee for Hole 11
13. Normal Hole 12
14. Normal Hole 13
15. Long tee for 14 to the left island pin for 15

Walk south from this pin.  Tee is next to picnic table

16. Tee to left pin for 16
17. Normal Hole 17
18. Normal Hole 18
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: robm on May 28, 2012, 05:16:51 PM
Any information on the NT Clinic Thursday night?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on May 28, 2012, 09:34:38 PM
Also, does the A or B Tier have to wear collared shirts? or is this just the NT?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 30, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
http://kcfdc.org/docs/2012_Wide_Open_Players_Guide.pdf (http://kcfdc.org/docs/2012_Wide_Open_Players_Guide.pdf)

A few minor tweaks happened before this went to print, but the grouping and the scheduling is accurate on this information.  Please review as you would.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: tallguy007kc on May 30, 2012, 06:23:08 PM
Ok, just for clarification, and I'm guessing the printed version, (I believe to be the players pack version), Jack posted is the correct one as far as Pools go. With that said, Rick's post has Adv. Masters starting at Swope on Friday morning, and the other has us starting at Blue Valley.   ::)

Just want to make sure I show up at the right park.   ;)

Thanks!  8)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Mike Hyzer on May 30, 2012, 07:27:13 PM
I believe it is the "all other Pro divisions" who are starting at BV.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on May 30, 2012, 08:15:59 PM
just double checked against rick's e-mail to players last night, and this information mirrors that so this information is accurate.  I had a few logo's off and some minor tweaks.  but this is pretty close.  Please come out and enjoy the activities this weekend!

Quit reading, and come out and play/watch/enjoy!

Its live out here this weekend, don't miss it by sitting at your computer!

Feel free to add on to your favorite get away from the copmuter!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Wink on May 30, 2012, 08:34:05 PM
Hope to play if I can get in, if not u need a caddy Jack.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: tallguy007kc on May 30, 2012, 08:37:13 PM
Jack just needs to lay off the G$ shots during lunch!  ;D ::)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Mike Hyzer on May 30, 2012, 08:40:35 PM
just double checked against rick's e-mail to players last night, and this information mirrors that so this information is accurate.  I had a few logo's off and some minor tweaks.  but this is pretty close.  Please come out and enjoy the activities this weekend!

Quit reading, and come out and play/watch/enjoy!

Its live out here this weekend, don't miss it by sitting at your computer!

Feel free to add on to your favorite get away from the copmuter!

Most likely I am ditching work Friday to be out at BV helping where needed. Might bring my computer, though...
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jhinck2 on May 31, 2012, 09:11:07 AM
My apologies for not knowing this, but is there a dress code for the A tier at all?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ian on May 31, 2012, 09:24:27 AM
Yes, you just have to look "clean." Wear a dri fit and some shorts without any holes in them and you should be fine.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on May 31, 2012, 09:28:12 AM
I'm trying to find this out too. The Rule is slightly ambiguous. From 3.04 Dress Code:

Quote
D. The following dress code for all competitors will be enforced at all PDGA Elite Series/National Tour and Major Events. The PDGA also recommends that this dress code be enforced at Super Tour and lower tier events, but this decision lies solely with the Tournament Director:

(1) All players in PDGA sanctioned competition and tournament staff are expected to dress appropriately and to maintain a clean and well-groomed appearance at all event sites and associated functions.


(2) All players must wear a shirt covering their upper chest area. A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable.

So, since this is a NT 'event' is the A-Tier a Major Event as well?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ian on May 31, 2012, 09:31:45 AM
Greg, did you sign up? I don't think there are any major A-tiers. Think of it as an A-tier going on the same time as a NT event. There sure will be a lot of points on the line though!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: phisherman_77 on May 31, 2012, 09:32:26 AM
I'm trying to find this out too. The Rule is slightly ambiguous. From 3.04 Dress Code:

Quote
D. The following dress code for all competitors will be enforced at all PDGA Elite Series/National Tour and Major Events. The PDGA also recommends that this dress code be enforced at Super Tour and lower tier events, but this decision lies solely with the Tournament Director:

(1) All players in PDGA sanctioned competition and tournament staff are expected to dress appropriately and to maintain a clean and well-groomed appearance at all event sites and associated functions.


(2) All players must wear a shirt covering their upper chest area. A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable.

So, since this is a NT 'event' is the A-Tier a Major Event as well?

No.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Mike Hyzer on May 31, 2012, 10:32:09 AM
I know for a fact you should not wear a sleeveless "muscle shirt" with flaming lightning booty shorts or there will be complaints.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: phisherman_77 on May 31, 2012, 11:15:16 AM
I know for a fact you should not wear a sleeveless "muscle shirt" with flaming lightning booty shorts or there will be complaints.

We all thought you looked nice in that outfit Mike.  ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Mike Hyzer on May 31, 2012, 02:07:11 PM
I know for a fact you should not wear a sleeveless "muscle shirt" with flaming lightning booty shorts or there will be complaints.

We all thought you looked nice in that outfit Mike.  ;D

You're a funny guy, BP, that's why I like you. ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Peter Bures on June 01, 2012, 02:42:25 AM
Can't sleep. Too excited.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Wink on June 01, 2012, 06:18:16 AM
Good luck everybody!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: dan howard on June 01, 2012, 06:44:58 AM
You guys sure get some great weather for golfing, can't tell you how sad it makes me not to be able to join you.  I'll get to spectate a little Sunday morning.  Good luck everyone, hope our local heroes get to bring home the bacon!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 01, 2012, 08:32:52 AM
To all my friends playing the KCWO - Good luck and have fun. I wish I could be there. See you all at the party tomorrow night!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: thankyoupeter on June 01, 2012, 05:23:55 PM
HA! Schusterik shot a 44 on Baby Blue....that's absurd.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on June 01, 2012, 05:29:47 PM
And a disgruntled Nikko Locastro walks out on the round at Little Blue.. yowza!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: thankyoupeter on June 01, 2012, 05:37:00 PM
What happened to Nikko?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on June 01, 2012, 05:44:43 PM
Not sure. He was pissed during the round, then we saw him walking off the course, and a threesome playing on. PDGA website gave him a big DNF on little blue.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: phisherman_77 on June 01, 2012, 07:29:59 PM
I heard at BV that Nikko is hurt.  Not sure how, maybe his back?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 02, 2012, 12:21:09 AM
I heard at BV that Nikko is hurt.  Not sure how, maybe his back?

That sucks. I hope it isn't serious.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 02, 2012, 08:20:22 AM
He said his back hurts, like torn muscle or whatever.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: GuinnessSmurf on June 02, 2012, 09:14:14 AM
I heard at BV that Nikko is hurt.  Not sure how, maybe his back?

From what I saw out there, he probably damaged his ego.   
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on June 03, 2012, 12:47:08 AM
Must sleep....cant stop thinking about final round...
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: sirbronco on June 03, 2012, 04:59:39 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/02/3639500/scores-of-disc-golfers-tee-up.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/02/3639500/scores-of-disc-golfers-tee-up.html)

Kansas City Star came up to Water Works yesterday...see above for the article.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 03, 2012, 08:59:13 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/02/3639500/scores-of-disc-golfers-tee-up.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/02/3639500/scores-of-disc-golfers-tee-up.html)

Kansas City Star came up to Water Works yesterday...see above for the article.

Great article, loved the quote from Val!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: sirbronco on June 03, 2012, 05:55:54 PM
I did too...while referring to the club, she said that these guys sure know how to put on a disc golf tournament. 

I had a great weekend up Swope and Water Works.  Watching all the players was awesome.  Cant wait until next year!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ian on June 03, 2012, 09:08:57 PM
He said his back hurts, like torn muscle or whatever.

He's dropped out of a few tournaments lately because of back pain. Word on the street is he hurt it wrestling around with Feldberg awhile ago.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: GuinnessSmurf on June 03, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/02/3639500/scores-of-disc-golfers-tee-up.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/02/3639500/scores-of-disc-golfers-tee-up.html)

Kansas City Star came up to Water Works yesterday...see above for the article.

I really wish we would quit making press releases that further negative stereo types about our sport, like "Free concert at 4:20 PM".   
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 03, 2012, 11:02:04 PM
The XXX Games were outstanding. I got video of Dick Parker and Jeremy Rusco showing us how it's done in the game of KC Hold 'Em. Check it out:

http://youtu.be/0FV0aeNjVFE (http://youtu.be/0FV0aeNjVFE)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on June 04, 2012, 12:14:44 AM
My absolute favorite part of this video is when Crazy says "..20 Seconds left, He's already got a big stack goin, look at that dude! Imagine a ham sandwich in between every one of those!"
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ObiWan on June 04, 2012, 08:03:55 AM
Hey guys,

I got a chance to meet a traveling disc golfer by the name of Dana. He is trying to raise funds so that he can play in the worlds this year in memory of his aunt and mother who lost their battle with cancer. His website is http://dg4pm.com/. (http://dg4pm.com/.) Anyone who can should take a look at this. He is looking for pledges per throw or flat donations. He even has a couple Vibram high speed drivers that are going to be raffled off through the site as well.

As supportive as KCFDC members are I figured we could at least help spread the word for this cause.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: danhillaker on June 04, 2012, 09:21:31 AM
What happened to Swope Gold setup for the final round? 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Jed on June 04, 2012, 10:19:17 AM
First time getting to watch the pros play this weekend....Awesome, I absolutely love this sport!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: sirbronco on June 04, 2012, 11:03:14 AM
Does anyone know when the courses used in KCWO will be changed back and the OB "disappear?"  I could not participate due to military obligations and I would like to play these courses this week, Swope Gold, Rosedale, Waterworks, Young and Blue Valley.  Would that be possible?  Thank you.

Doug, I am running a Random Draw Dubs on Tuesday at league on Swope Gold!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: matty on June 04, 2012, 11:05:27 AM
Yeah, free concert at 4:20; people are gonna think we're cheap.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: will on June 04, 2012, 11:07:03 AM
way to go Jake Bowen!  great play.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Jake B on June 04, 2012, 11:35:47 AM
Thanks Will!
Thanks most of all to everyone that made this the best Wide Open ever!
Left a few shots out there, but had a great time.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ian on June 04, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
What happened to Swope Gold setup for the final round?

Hole 3 was the same

Hole 4 played to the second shortest pin instead of hole 5's pin

Hole 7 was the same

Hole 8 was the same

Hole 10 was the same

Hole 14 was changed to the pin by 15's pad

Hole 16 was the same

Hole 17 was the same

Hole 18 was the same
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: sirbronco on June 04, 2012, 12:46:21 PM
Swope Gold will be back in place by League tomorrow night!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: danhillaker on June 04, 2012, 03:03:27 PM
What happened to Swope Gold setup for the final round?

Hole 3 was the same

Hole 4 played to the second shortest pin instead of hole 5's pin

Hole 7 was the same

Hole 8 was the same

Hole 10 was the same

Hole 14 was changed to the pin by 15's pad

Hole 16 was the same

Hole 17 was the same

Hole 18 was the same

Right... I was just wondering why they made us amateurs suffer through it and then didn't have the pros do it.  Cutting hole 14 in half makes it considerably easier.  Not playing 13 (hardest hole on the course in my opinion) and then 14 was shortened (again making it dramatically easier).  They gave them mostly easy holes. 

I thought the whole purpose of Swope Gold was to challenge the pros.  I would have much rather played Wilbur Young like it was originally planned.  Just didn't understand the choice.  Wonderful tournament though! Done it three years in a row now!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: edwinwhatshisface on June 04, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that made this a great tournament.  I am very glad I was a part of the 30th Wide Open and look forward to the 31st Wide Open.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: gleauzinier on June 04, 2012, 03:07:45 PM
What happened to Swope Gold setup for the final round?

Hole 3 was the same

Hole 4 played to the second shortest pin instead of hole 5's pin

Hole 7 was the same

Hole 8 was the same

Hole 10 was the same

Hole 14 was changed to the pin by 15's pad

Hole 16 was the same

Hole 17 was the same

Hole 18 was the same

Right... I was just wondering why they made us amateurs suffer through it and then didn't have the pros do it.  Cutting hole 14 in half makes it considerably easier.  Not playing 13 (hardest hole on the course in my opinion) and then 14 was shortened (again making it dramatically easier).  They gave them mostly easy holes. 

I thought the whole purpose of Swope Gold was to challenge the pros.  I would have much rather played Wilbur Young like it was originally planned.  Just didn't understand the choice.  Wonderful tournament though! Done it three years in a row now!

could it be because all but 7 of the pros had just played the gold course and the final 9 was set up to be spectator friendly? that's what they've done in the past.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: danhillaker on June 04, 2012, 03:15:14 PM
I just wasn't aware they were going to "water it down" for the final 9, instead of escalating it.  Oh well.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: gtr on June 04, 2012, 03:20:47 PM
Hey All!

Wanted to say "Team Towser" had a GREAT time at the KC Wide Open!! Great to see so many friends there - and of course to get to throw discs to my four-legged best friends was a bonus! Thanks for having us out!!

Stop by and "like" Towser on fb - you can follow his exploits and competitions - - and because as you can see he is not loved nearly enough.  ;)  http://www.facebook.com/pages/Towser/227010517387554 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Towser/227010517387554)

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/415513_304789252943013_1821761101_o.jpg)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: sirbronco on June 04, 2012, 03:23:43 PM
What happened to Swope Gold setup for the final round?

Hole 3 was the same

Hole 4 played to the second shortest pin instead of hole 5's pin

Hole 7 was the same

Hole 8 was the same

Hole 10 was the same

Hole 14 was changed to the pin by 15's pad

Hole 16 was the same

Hole 17 was the same

Hole 18 was the same

Right... I was just wondering why they made us amateurs suffer through it and then didn't have the pros do it.  Cutting hole 14 in half makes it considerably easier.  Not playing 13 (hardest hole on the course in my opinion) and then 14 was shortened (again making it dramatically easier).  They gave them mostly easy holes. 

I thought the whole purpose of Swope Gold was to challenge the pros.  I would have much rather played Wilbur Young like it was originally planned.  Just didn't understand the choice.  Wonderful tournament though! Done it three years in a row now!

The Pros did play those holes the same as everyone else...those two were only shortened for the final nine...which had to fit into a specified 90 minutes...
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: danhillaker on June 04, 2012, 03:33:54 PM
What happened to Swope Gold setup for the final round?

Hole 3 was the same

Hole 4 played to the second shortest pin instead of hole 5's pin

Hole 7 was the same

Hole 8 was the same

Hole 10 was the same

Hole 14 was changed to the pin by 15's pad

Hole 16 was the same

Hole 17 was the same

Hole 18 was the same

Right... I was just wondering why they made us amateurs suffer through it and then didn't have the pros do it.  Cutting hole 14 in half makes it considerably easier.  Not playing 13 (hardest hole on the course in my opinion) and then 14 was shortened (again making it dramatically easier).  They gave them mostly easy holes. 

I thought the whole purpose of Swope Gold was to challenge the pros.  I would have much rather played Wilbur Young like it was originally planned.  Just didn't understand the choice.  Wonderful tournament though! Done it three years in a row now!

The Pros did play those holes the same as everyone else...those two were only shortened for the final nine...which had to fit into a specified 90 minutes...

I meant the final 9 pros.  I also wasn't aware there was a 90 minute time slot for it.  It was just different from what I remember happening last year that is all.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: LKillian on June 04, 2012, 03:37:04 PM
I agree, it would have been awesome to have a couple hundred people crowded on the cliffs around 13's green.

After playing 5 rounds in 3 days there is also nothing i would have enjoyed more than walking from one side of swope over to the zoo entrance and then back to gregory.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Timko on June 04, 2012, 03:37:54 PM
I just wasn't aware they were going to "water it down" for the final 9, instead of escalating it.  Oh well.

To expound on what Van said above, a strict 90 minute time limit was put on the Final 9 due to the other events of the afternoon.  I was responsible for planning the final 9, and wanted to play both of the shortened holes in the original gold configuration.  However, I imagine that would have added another 30 to 45 minutes to the round.  I agree that a final 9 containing a collection of par 3's, 4's, and 5's is a better test of golf (and could have seen a larger scoring swing), but due to the time limit, we had to shorten a couple of holes.

Last year we had no final 9; Swope was a course for the pros hosted on tee times.  As a result, the final round for the top card was 18 holes on the full Gold Course.  I'm making my way through the Disc Golf Planet archived videos right now, and plan to watch how the lead card played at Swope this past year.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: LKillian on June 04, 2012, 03:41:40 PM
Last year the crowd was spread between 3-4 cards including the men's and women's leaders.

I thought the scene was much better this year with the entire gallery concentrated on the one group.

I think this idea should be considered again for finals in the future. When they were playing the modified hole 16, i saw quite a few people drive by very slowly with looks on their faces wondering what the hell was going on. 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: danhillaker on June 04, 2012, 03:44:22 PM
I agree, it would have been awesome to have a couple hundred people crowded on the cliffs around 13's green.

After playing 5 rounds in 3 days there is also nothing i would have enjoyed more than walking from one side of swope over to the zoo entrance and then back to gregory.

Sarcasm noted. Of course 13 is not ideal for viewing.  Doesn't change the fact that I still would have loved to have seen it. 

That archived video is a great idea Timko! Thanks!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: LKillian on June 04, 2012, 03:47:37 PM
You wouldn't have seen jack because i would have made sure I stood in front of you. ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: danhillaker on June 04, 2012, 03:49:42 PM
No you would have been sitting since you were too tired to walk from Gregory to the Zoo entrance.  ;)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: robm on June 04, 2012, 03:56:31 PM
Last year the crowd was spread between 3-4 cards including the men's and women's leaders.

I thought the scene was much better this year with the entire gallery concentrated on the one group.

I think this idea should be considered again for finals in the future. When they were playing the modified hole 16, i saw quite a few people drive by very slowly with looks on their faces wondering what the hell was going on.

I totally agree with having the top 7 men & women play together.  I thought it was very cool.  The large gallery was great.  Having the ladies play with the men showed other people how good they really are. 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: otter on June 04, 2012, 04:02:00 PM
So...next year is the 31st KCWO......& the countdown to the 50th begins!  :P :-* :o ;D
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on June 04, 2012, 04:03:55 PM
So...next year is the 31st KCWO......& the countdown to the 50th begins!  :P :-* :o ;D
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How can I delete this post?
 :P
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: discglover on June 04, 2012, 04:59:54 PM
Hey All!

Wanted to say "Team Towser" had a GREAT time at the KC Wide Open!! Great to see so many friends there - and of course to get to throw discs to my four-legged best friends was a bonus! Thanks for having us out!!

Stop by and "like" Towser on fb - you can follow his exploits and competitions - - and because as you can see he is not loved nearly enough.  ;)  http://www.facebook.com/pages/Towser/227010517387554 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Towser/227010517387554)

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/415513_304789252943013_1821761101_o.jpg)
I really enjoyed the disc dogs. Jackie got a great pic!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: kevweiss on June 04, 2012, 08:18:34 PM
I played in my first Wide Open this year and unbelievably took 7th in Advanced Masters -- something I never thought I would achieve so soon.  Thanks to Rick and everyone that helped put this on.  It was awesome!  Never thought I would enjoy meeting and playing with the infamous Jack Lowe so much.  But a special thanks to him for the Jacking around and banter that makes someone more relaxed.  I met the most amazing people this weekend and am really looking forward to next year's Wide Open.  AWESOME!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ekolk on June 04, 2012, 10:14:15 PM
We really can look back on the last weekend and raise our heads a little higher. The KCWO Committee blew us all away with the fruits of their labors. Rick, Crazy, Jack, Tavish and Dan stepped up and gave their passion for the sport right back to their hometown. All of the volunteers, course TDs, Beer League, KCFDC BOD, sponsors big and small, Kansas Citians, and club members just set the standard for the KCWO. I heard accolades in all directions. Everybody was really impressed with the courses, the challenge, and the player experience. What a pleasure being part of this community is.

I talked to Dave Hemmeline before the awards ceremony, and he summed up his feelings about KC, the courses, and the community in two words, "Big heart." 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: andyportwood on June 05, 2012, 09:00:01 AM
Last year the crowd was spread between 3-4 cards including the men's and women's leaders.

I thought the scene was much better this year with the entire gallery concentrated on the one group.

I think this idea should be considered again for finals in the future. When they were playing the modified hole 16, i saw quite a few people drive by very slowly with looks on their faces wondering what the hell was going on.

That was an awesome idea for the Mixed finals! It made it that much more exciting with the reaction 400+ people all concentrated on every throw, as evidenced on Will's pin ringer on 4 and Catrina's final shot on 18. Plus the gallery looked awesome on the DGP coverage. I hope they continue that final card in the future!!!

I totally agree with having the top 7 men & women play together.  I thought it was very cool.  The large gallery was great.  Having the ladies play with the men showed other people how good they really are.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Ken Franks on June 05, 2012, 09:03:03 AM
What an amazing event!!! There was a lot of blood, sweat, tears and maybe a bit of ruffled feathers put in to make this happen. That is what being a family is all about!!! They say you attract more bee's with honey, but lets be honest, who wants to attract MORE bee's?  ;D

 Even before this event, I love what Kansas City disc golf is all about, but after the event, I can't help but look back and say, we are raising the bar on what it is to run a world class event!!! I was taken aback by the size of our gallery. Kansas City is the BEST flying disc town in the world, HANDS DOWN!

 Congrats to Greg Utz, for blistering Water Works and getting his first 1000 rated round, in rout to an 8 throw win!!!! Also to Jake Bowen on being the top Kansas City finisher in the Open division for the KCWO XXX!!!

 A Special THANKS to, Jack, Rick, Dan, Tavish, Timko, and CraZZZZY, all the Course Coordinators and volunteers, for having our courses in tip-top shape. Thank for going above and beyond to make this a guaranteed stop on tour!!!! None of this is possible without you all!!!

  I may be from Omaha/Charlotte, But Kansas City is were I Live and Love, and I am extremely proud to call it MY HOME!!!

 
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: AdamC on June 05, 2012, 09:35:50 AM
As others have already said, this weekend was a blast.  I had a great time playing and also wanted to thank everyone for all the hard work that went into putting on such a great tournament.  The courses looked great and played hard.  It was an exhausting 3 days but well worth it. 

Also, I thought the Saturday Night Soiree was really well put together and it looks like everyone was having a fantastic time.  Couldn't have asked for much better weather right?  I was curious what that beer was on tap though.  Tasted like a pale ale? 

Again, thanks to all those involved and I look forward to next year.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 05, 2012, 12:45:28 PM
This is the second round coverage of the pros at BV. Check out the 1 hour, 2 minute mark. I had just finished my spotting duties on #7, and cruised over to watch the lead card, who had just teed off on #15. It turned out I had parked my 4-wheeler in a very opportunistic spot for Devan. ;D

http://www.livestream.com/discgolfplanet/video?clipId=pla_6b7c4735-3808-4571-8550-a11f1dc25bd6&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb (http://www.livestream.com/discgolfplanet/video?clipId=pla_6b7c4735-3808-4571-8550-a11f1dc25bd6&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb)
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: hemme on June 06, 2012, 07:10:42 AM

Man! Where do I begin? I'll just keep it simple and say thanks. Thanks KC! Thanks for reminding me of the things I'm truly passionate about. Thanks for the unbeleivably warm homecoming. Thanks for designing courses that call back. I'm getting a call right now from Waterworks. It's saying hey Dave, you want another chance at that ten down you thought you'd throw? There's a text from Blue Valley it reads, I may have been tamed a bit but don't call me BABY! Thanks to the PC leaguers who showed up for my Monday ritual round. I can't tell you how cool that was to me that you guys came out, Deano,Tracy,Dan,Nick,Wonderboy,Gman. And thanks Tom and all those involved for sticking some Big Creek and Walnut Ridge in little ol PC. Thanks DD for your awesome and professional presence and for the great shirts etc. Thanks to Rick for opening up the empire to all. Thanks Dick Parker for being a mover and shaker.

Finally, thanks to Mark Stiles for also sponsoring me and always having my back and the great pizza at Kelleys and for being there at the very beginning of what is quickly becoming the best tournament in the best sport in the world
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: dickthediscparker on June 06, 2012, 07:32:08 AM
Thank you Hemme for just being awesome. Sorry I couldn't join you Monday night. I pulled my hamstring Sunday afternoon throwing Frisbees like I was a kid again. Hope we get to see you again.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: hemme on June 06, 2012, 08:12:22 AM
Forgot one very important one...Loooomis! Sorry you cashed and had to turn it down. Way to go and get a taste of the lead card. Thanks for the great advice and good luck at worlds!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: andyportwood on June 07, 2012, 11:18:37 AM
Thank you Hemme for just being awesome. Sorry I couldn't join you Monday night. I pulled my hamstring Sunday afternoon throwing Frisbees like I was a kid again. Hope we get to see you again.
Yeah, I've still got bruises from that!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: TPalmer on June 07, 2012, 04:39:32 PM
I got drunk during the final 9 but then again....I don't get out much.  :-D  Great event guys!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: phisherman_77 on June 07, 2012, 05:13:11 PM
I got drunk during the final 9 but then again....I don't get out much.  :-D  Great event guys!

Did Jack bring HopSlam?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: jack on June 08, 2012, 10:03:53 AM
I did and some three floyds Zombie as well....sorry you missed it bud, all in the cooler, as well as this stuff that Avery brought, Fire heat beer for Greenwell, it was HOT, but kinda cool!
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Guth on June 26, 2012, 11:20:09 AM
Just got the PDGA discgolfer magazine and it has a picture of Feldberg playing in the final 9 at Swope with some guys (Henry Poe, Jay Revard, ??) from KC in the background.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: sirbronco on June 26, 2012, 11:30:41 AM
Just got the PDGA discgolfer magazine and it has a picture of Feldberg playing in the final 9 at Swope with some guys (Henry Poe, Jay Revard, ??) from KC in the background.

Good pic by our very own Dale Walters
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ian on June 26, 2012, 11:43:19 AM
Speaking of pictures... Where's Dan Howard's set from Rosie?
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: Utz on June 26, 2012, 12:20:14 PM
You can see Frank's hair on the inset for the KCWO page as well. He's right next to Tank at Blue Springs. hah! Way to go Dale, capturing the signature goofy FeldBorg look.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: dan howard on June 27, 2012, 10:51:20 PM
Speaking of pictures... Where's Dan Howard's set from Rosie?

Still on my camera.  I wasn't real happy with them, too bright, too hot, too middle of the day...  I may still post 'em if I can find the time.
Title: Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open
Post by: ian on June 29, 2012, 04:20:55 PM
That's unfortunate. Just thought I'd poke my nose around and see if I missed the link.