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Title: Legacy happenings
Post by: CRAMNATION7 on March 14, 2013, 06:11:00 PM
Today at legacy a cop caught someone climbing over the fence. Just thought everyone should know that they are watching and will write you a ticket.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: ReTee on March 14, 2013, 08:15:56 PM
Good to know.  I guess I'll just have to learn to throw straight. 

I wonder if it's just something they enforce during work hours.  I've never even seen anyone behind the fence any time I've been there.  Granted, I can't remember a time I've been there not on a weekend, but still.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: jhinck2 on March 15, 2013, 08:41:51 AM
Today at legacy a cop caught someone climbing over the fence. Just thought everyone should know that they are watching and will write you a ticket.
Thanks!

How much did the ticket set ya back Jay? :)
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: CRAMNATION7 on March 15, 2013, 09:08:23 AM
ha not me. but its a guy that i see up there alot.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Mike Hyzer on March 15, 2013, 09:11:31 AM
Congratulations to the heroic officer for his actions in stopping this dangerous criminal. One more dirtbag off the streets! Thank goodness for the brave men and women of law enforcement. All suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, %$#@ yeah!
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: phisherman_77 on March 15, 2013, 10:11:27 AM
Mike, there is a ton of expensive equipment on the P&R's side of that fence.  P&R has also told us time and time again that if we ask them during business hours, they will get the discs.

As much as I dislike police intrusion into our disc golf utopia on this side of town, I'm more likely to say that the person that got the ticket was being an idiot.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Mike Hyzer on March 15, 2013, 10:22:24 AM
Mike, there is a ton of expensive equipment on the P&R's side of that fence.  P&R has also told us time and time again that if we ask them during business hours, they will get the discs.

As much as I dislike police intrusion into our disc golf utopia on this side of town, I'm more likely to say that the person that got the ticket was being an idiot.

Not the point, BP. I doubt he stole any of the equipment. He was just retrieving his disc, right? So basically, this guy is going to have to fork money over to LS even though he hurt no one, stole nothing, damaged nothing, and only because some cop felt like being a dick. That's bullsh1t, I don't care what anybody says.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Aaron on March 15, 2013, 10:35:55 AM
I agree. What right does the P&R have to keep the general public from climbing a fence that secures their property from possible theft and vandalism?  The police should not waste our tax payer dollars on a report of someone "illegally" entering someone else's property. In fact it would be better if the owners of the property handled it them selves. Of course I would personally handle someone breaking into my restricted area with a gun....wait a minute that would mean a disc golfer could have been shot, guess we better stick with the police handling these situations.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: phisherman_77 on March 15, 2013, 10:39:25 AM
So, you're saying that even though you lock your front door at night, as long as I don't harm anyone or take anything, I can just circumvent the lock and come in to sit down and watch TV?  Oh sorry, I was playing baseball in your street at 2 AM and I accidentally lost the ball through your open living room window.  Don't mind me while I climb through the window frame to grab it.  Unfortunately, if that were the case, Keizer would probably shoot my a**.

Look, that side of the fence is private property.  Period.  You can get your disc back pretty easily.  I've gotten a bunch back from them over the years for other people.  They have set acceptable guidelines for retrieval and all that they have asked is that we don't go through or over the fence.

I get where you're coming from Keizer, I truly do.  And I empathize with your point.  But I know how Lee's Summit works; I'm pretty apathetic to it at this point.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Utz on March 15, 2013, 10:55:15 AM
Why issue a ticket, how about just stop the citizen from jumping the fence?

Then there has to be a process at city hall where people are employed to take money, Then if you dont pay the ticket you may get a warrant, depending on how serious the "crime" is, blah blah blah. All in all its a big waste of time, in a made up world of importance by the powers who be.

Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Jake B on March 15, 2013, 11:04:23 AM
I just love that when we first installed the course LS Parks said they would keep the discs they found inside the fence indefinitely in a box in the office. But when we went in the office during the Bluebird event I was told they usually don't keep them for more than a couple of weeks. Sometimes the parks guys start playing with them right when they find them.

The other problem is their crazy hours. I think some days they only work until 3pm and who knows when they're there on the weekend.
Am I supposed to use a vacation day to go during my work hours to get something I can see 20 feet away?!!!

They expect us to respect their fence, but they don't respect the disc golf community.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Mike Hyzer on March 15, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
Big difference between private residences and publicly-funded municipal park property, you obtuse bastards, especially with ZERO criminal intent involved. Yes, I'm talking to Aaron the Bootlicker and BP the Goosestepper. Would either of you be capable of functioning without some sort of government regulations dictating your every move?
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Utz on March 15, 2013, 01:07:07 PM
DO this DONT do that, cant you read the sign?
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: CD on March 15, 2013, 01:07:55 PM
Okay then... It's about time I step up (hit me with it...) and help out  ::)

I work for the City (IT support) and will be mobile during the day so I will stop and claim the "lost & found" discs once a week, through the season at least. I will confirm with the "powers that be" that I am who I say I am and I did NOT throw over the fence myself  ;)

If you lose one, text me at 816-419-1026 and I will return it "no questions asked". After the tax season, I will be at Legacy most Friday nights.

Just please don't get caught dangling from the fence with your knickers down!
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: phisherman_77 on March 15, 2013, 01:55:52 PM
Call it what you want, I just respect the rules of the park.  There is a lot of money worth of equipment inside that fence, and I don't have an issue with them saying not to go under/through/over it, as long as we have a way to get the discs back.

Now if I went back the next day and found city employees playing disc with one of my discs, then I might have a little problem.  Has anyone actually talked with any of the city guys  lately about this?  Or are we all just sitting here and playing keyboard commando?
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Aaron on March 15, 2013, 02:37:10 PM
Come on mike, if our government is so unexceptable to you I'm guessing there are courses in other countries that might have municipalities that are more acceptable to you. No need to start calling names, just throwing out my opinions. Never met you that I know of and would love to throw a round with you some time. I'll leave my boots at home.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Loomis on March 15, 2013, 02:47:19 PM
I say we grab a bunch of beat up plastic that no one wants and throw it over the fence on purpose. Hundreds and hundreds of discs. Just keep tossing them in there. It's a great way to get rid of all those DX Stingrays and First Run Lycans that are gathering dust in your basement, garage or closet. We can use the fenced in enclosure as a driving range.

I think it's also very important that we put Jake Bowen's name, number and email address on each disc. Just in case they look.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Jake B on March 15, 2013, 03:38:08 PM
I say we grab a bunch of beat up plastic that no one wants and throw it over the fence on purpose. Hundreds and hundreds of discs. Just keep tossing them in there. It's a great way to get rid of all those DX Stingrays and First Run Lycans that are gathering dust in your basement, garage or closet. We can use the fenced in enclosure as a driving range.

I think it's also very important that we put Jake Bowen's name, number and email address on each disc. Just in case they look.

Yeah that would be really funny.

Wait, what?
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: andyportwood on March 15, 2013, 06:31:42 PM
I have a couple I can donate to Jake's cause...  :P
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: asjzn6 on March 19, 2013, 08:47:44 PM
We had a similar situation in columbia. We had a couple of holes next to the pool, when people threw over the fence the either pulled the bottom of the fence out (like at legacy which is then destruction of property) or climb over which would be trespassing. Well the Disc golf club put up signs of where to pick up your disc. Disc golfers thought this was silly and kept jumping the fence. Now columbia does not have those two holes the city thought it was easier to take away part of the course.

I imagine if LS keeps seeing dgers jumping the fence they will just take away part of the course.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: The Nailerâ„¢ on March 19, 2013, 09:06:51 PM
Imma gonna take my basket and go home.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Tom on March 19, 2013, 09:22:49 PM
The same classless type of folks that climb a fence into private property litter the parks, with little concern of what their actions may cause.

I do find it ironic though that the government fines American citizens for climbing a fence in Lees Summit, yet provides entitlements for non-American citizens that climb a fence on the Rio Grande.  ???
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Aaron on March 19, 2013, 09:23:13 PM
I think an underground tunnel from hole two's basket would fix this problem.  We could come up with a super secret code to access the tunnel. Yes,no, maybe?
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: five2loves42 on March 21, 2013, 10:41:32 PM
Why issue a ticket, how about just stop the citizen from jumping the fence?

Then there has to be a process at city hall where people are employed to take money, Then if you dont pay the ticket you may get a warrant, depending on how serious the "crime" is, blah blah blah. All in all its a big waste of time, in a made up world of importance by the powers who be.

I am really late to this DISCussion, but I really wanted to weigh in hear. 

Why issue a ticket? Because it brings awareness to the problem. Everyone here is talking about it. Maybe it will deter some one else from climbing the fence.  The main reason I support them doing trying to stop people is the liability issue.  We some less than coordinated person decides to take header on to the concrete from that 8' fence and hurts them selves, guess who is going to have to pay the medical bills (The City of Lee's Summit). The jack-leg that fell won't even have to WANT to sue them, his/her insurance company will do it "on their behalf".

Or maybe we should just hire an extra couple of cops to stand at the fence 24-hours a day so they can " just stop the citizen from jumping the fence?"

The other reason to stop them is to make sure when I loose a disc and try to go through the proper channels to get it back it, will still be there.  But seeing all those "free", finders keepers, discs laying around will just be too much for those criminal masterminds to resist.

CD, thanks for being part of the solution.  :)

 
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on March 22, 2013, 08:57:06 AM
One of the main problems I have with people climbing fences to get discs back is the damage it does to the fence. Chain link fences are designed to have people enter the area surrounded by the fence through a gate. The fence itself implies a level of security is desired to the area inside the fence, either you respect that or you don't. Therefore the fence isn't designed to have people climbing on it and when they do it bends to top-rail, stretches and warps the fence and can ultimately result in the fence needing to be replaced or repaired. We have this problem at Clover Dell in Sedalia. There is a small holding pond surrounded by a fence that can come into play on #6 and #9. When people have a disc that ends up in there they can walk around to the gate and enter to retrieve their disc, no one is stopping them. The fence is there to keep kids and others out of the nasty water but retrieving a disc is okay. But lazy ass people keep climbing the fence rather than walking a few steps and now the fence looks like crap and one of the top-rails has popped out on the end and I keep putting it back. Eventually the parks department will be talking to me about it and will want me to move the hole. It's a good hole and I don't want to do that but idiots that climb fences and leave their trash all over cause problems like this for all of us.

It's a matter of respect in my opinion. People that bypass the basic security measure implied by a fence, no matter how benign their reason, are no better than people that leave their trash and crap all over our parks or destroy park property.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Utz on March 22, 2013, 09:17:58 AM
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and hurts them selves, guess who is going to have to pay the medical bills (The City of Lee's Summit).

Dont even get me started on how ridiculous this subject is.
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: five2loves42 on March 22, 2013, 10:02:47 AM
Well said Kmont!!

It IS a matter of respect.

Utz, me too on the liability thing. Can no one take responsibility for there own actions(well intended or not)?
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: jamidanger on March 22, 2013, 10:21:26 AM
unfortunately fencing is an olympic game and disc golf is not
Title: Re: Legacy happenings
Post by: Mick on March 22, 2013, 11:54:15 PM
I'm too old and fat to climb any fences and would pay the price of a disc to keep from having to .
 
#1 problem is the disc course is free and used by the public. When people start to cause excessive wear and tear on public property , the city has the right to close or change the property. I have seen where a small percent causes pain for the larger majority. Not everyone on the course belongs to this forum, so some of this is a on deaf ears. Remember when you or some one you see is vandalizing city property, you could be causing others to loose the privilege to use the park.

sorry for the 2cents