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Title: Grass Problem
Post by: Kelly Markum on May 13, 2013, 11:07:19 PM
So Legacy Park has really been falling behind on mowing the grass. I believe they mowed the course for the first time 2 weeks ago. The rough is 2'-3' tall & the fairways are 1'-3' tall.  They mow some fairways only 20' wide (Hole#5,7,8) . Even if you keep it in the fairways you are still looking for 5-10 min to find your disc & you saw where it went. I saw the lawn company that mows Legacy out there tonight but they only mowed the edge of the walking paths, shelter houses, & playground areas. Lastly on hole 17 I dang near stepped on a snake walking through 3' grass in the fairway. I don't think keeping the grass cut will make snakes go away but at least i would  have a chance of seeing it before i put my hand down to pick up a disc & get bit or something.

My question is does the Club have any pull or weight to say WTH. It was really annoying the whole round having to search for your disc after throw but seeing that snake made me think it is really a pretty big safety risk too.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: CRAMNATION7 on May 14, 2013, 05:50:10 AM
I'm not speaking for the club, but I ran league out there a couple years ago and it took alot of effort to just get the baskets moved. Last I knew they only mow the course a few times a year. Dan Coffman and others can attest  to the problem we face with lsp&r. They think the course is just fine the way it is and don't want to put anymore money into it.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: matty on May 14, 2013, 07:14:23 AM
I like that they started mowing all of the back section on 7&8 a couple years back...the weather has been crazy for mowing. i bet they get it cut very soon.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: Jake B on May 14, 2013, 08:12:20 AM
Dan said on Friday that he would contact Scott at LSPR and see what the hold up is on the mowing schedule.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: jhinck2 on May 14, 2013, 08:32:24 AM
Just waiting for a west sider to put a plug in here telling us to keep it in the fairway and it wouldn't be an issue. I agree, true statement. But the count is still 1-0. And the horse is already dead, quit beatin it!
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: dickthediscparker on May 14, 2013, 10:33:57 AM
Just waiting for a west sider to put a plug in here telling us to keep it in the fairway and it wouldn't be an issue. I agree, true statement. But the count is still 1-0. And the horse is already dead, quit beatin it!

Says the man with the club in his hand.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: thankyoupeter on May 14, 2013, 11:03:14 AM
And the horse is already dead, quit beatin it!

I think it still has some life left. 
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: mperry on May 14, 2013, 12:55:28 PM
Just waiting for a west sider to put a plug in here telling us to keep it in the fairway and it wouldn't be an issue. I agree, true statement. But the count is still 1-0. And the horse is already dead, quit beatin it!

Says the man with the club in his hand.


Crutch to be exact
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: coops on May 14, 2013, 01:27:03 PM
Just waiting for a west sider to put a plug in here telling us to keep it in the fairway and it wouldn't be an issue. I agree, true statement. But the count is still 1-0. And the horse is already dead, quit beatin it!

Boy! If that isn't the definition of a Straw Man I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: jack on May 14, 2013, 02:04:21 PM
Just waiting for a west sider to put a plug in here telling us to keep it in the fairway and it wouldn't be an issue. I agree, true statement. But the count is still 1-0. And the horse is already dead, quit beatin it!

Says the man with the club in his hand.

Crutch to be exact

Way to livin' up the Legacy Forum!
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: phisherman_77 on May 14, 2013, 02:05:24 PM
Just waiting for a west sider to put a plug in here telling us to keep it in the fairway and it wouldn't be an issue. I agree, true statement. But the count is still 1-0. And the horse is already dead, quit beatin it!

It doesn't really matter when the "fairway" is up to your knees.  We almost lost drives in the fairway on hole 5 last week.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: jhinck2 on May 14, 2013, 03:08:56 PM
Just waiting for a west sider to put a plug in here telling us to keep it in the fairway and it wouldn't be an issue. I agree, true statement. But the count is still 1-0. And the horse is already dead, quit beatin it!

Boy! If that isn't the definition of a Straw Man I don't know what is.

Can I get a t-shirt that says straw man on the back? Coop is not letting this one go. Fallacy he cries! FALLACY!
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: coops on May 14, 2013, 04:02:35 PM
Just waiting for a west sider to put a plug in here telling us to keep it in the fairway and it wouldn't be an issue. I agree, true statement. But the count is still 1-0. And the horse is already dead, quit beatin it!

Boy! If that isn't the definition of a Straw Man I don't know what is.

Can I get a t-shirt that says straw man on the back? Coop is not letting this one go. Fallacy he cries! FALLACY!

When the fallacious argumentation ceases so shall I.

Until then I think Straw Man would be a wonderful nickname for you and it should be mandatory to be present on any apparel worn at a tournament.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: jhinck2 on May 14, 2013, 04:32:18 PM
Fallacious argumentation. Ha. Well on that note, I wish all who partake in the festival of throwing discs the best of fortune. However, I am sure the fine homosapien gentlemen and women from the eastern expanse will bring great pain to the gluteus maximus of any mortal who chooses to side with the western expanse by means of superior ability....in other words a good swift kick in the rear cuz we will take the trophy home again!!!!!!
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: spnachio on May 14, 2013, 08:12:44 PM
Wrong thread guys. Its sounds like yalls "grass problem" is you need to smoke some.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: phisherman_77 on May 14, 2013, 08:44:27 PM
Wrong thread guys. Its sounds like yalls "grass problem" is you need to smoke some.

It's necessary to smoke out the bugs in the 2 foot high grass that will inevitably be crawling all over you, simply for landing in the "fairway".

Hopefully the city mows this week.  I will still run league for the brave souls that want to wade through that s**t, but I'm not going to trudge in it.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: Kelly Markum on May 14, 2013, 09:03:08 PM
Scott did call me this afternoon & advised they should of mowed it yesterday. When I told him they didn't he said it should be today then. He said they should be mowing the fairways every 2 weeks & was aware they didn't do a very good job last time.  Hopefully this keeps them on top of things but the feeling I got is its just not important to them.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: mperry on May 15, 2013, 10:23:14 AM
Grass has been mowed and the fairways look awesome.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: Utz on May 15, 2013, 12:13:31 PM
I'm glad there's a positive resolution to this. Citizens of Lee's Summit and disc golfers must voice their opinion to the parks and rec to let them know that we want this course to stay, and mowing is a necessity for that. We dont want to see another course get pulled!
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: jack on May 15, 2013, 01:09:51 PM
Scott did call me this afternoon & advised they should of mowed it yesterday. When I told him they didn't he said it should be today then. He said they should be mowing the fairways every 2 weeks & was aware they didn't do a very good job last time.  Hopefully this keeps them on top of things but the feeling I got is its just not important to them.

Got the same information from Scott as well, spot on everything notated here.  Excellent work.  The more people that show interest in the park and the desire to make it better, the more that it should be a priority.

Remember the squeaky wheel gets the oil, but the corvette with the squeaky wheel will always get looked before the chevette, so be sure to look your best when interacting with the people that control our parks.

Excellent response though Kelly!!
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: jack on May 15, 2013, 01:12:58 PM
I'm glad there's a positive resolution to this. Citizens of Lee's Summit and disc golfers must voice their opinion to the parks and rec to let them know that we want this course to stay, and mowing is a necessity for that. We dont want to see another course get pulled!

Not cry the sky is falling here, but I don't think that this has ever been the case.  Lees Summit P&R first talked about a course I think back in 1997, had a lot of steam in 1999, then got it going again in 2002, then ran into some issues with the Feds about the land.  Then got it back on track in 2005, but failed to get the neighborhood association on board, and then finally decided on Legacy.  They like the course, and I don't feel that it is a threat to vanish.

They also admire the "rough" and feel that is part of the course, and I don't envision them eliminating that for some time.

I was told that the rough gets mowed 2-3x/yr though, and that it will be mowed within the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: phisherman_77 on May 15, 2013, 02:07:11 PM
It would be prudent for anyone interested in some context here to read back to the beginning of the Legacy forum.  We have had ALL of these conversations before.  Seriously.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: Loomis on May 15, 2013, 03:53:26 PM
 Everything old is new in Lee's Summit
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: Jake B on May 16, 2013, 11:45:28 AM
am I old or new... or both.
I don't really care, I just wanted to be the 1000th post on the Legacy forum.  :)
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: jack on May 16, 2013, 02:29:30 PM
am I old or new... or both.
I don't really care, I just wanted to be the 1000th post on the Legacy forum.  :)

wow, I think that I have posted 1000 times in the Cliff Forum

:-p
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: Jake B on May 16, 2013, 02:51:03 PM
wow, I think that I have posted 1000 times in the Cliff Forum:-p

noooooo, really?
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: dclabe on May 16, 2013, 04:32:53 PM
I played Legacy today and this mow is much better than the prior mow but still has some issues.  I talked to Scott briefly and sent him the following email today...

As I mentioned in your office today, the course looks a lot better after this mow.  After thinking about it, where the greens aren't properly mowed (70' diameter) is mostly where only the white pvc pipe is in the pin.  The following greens with the white pvc pipe in the pin that need mowed are: #3 Long, #5 Short, #7 Short, #13 Right, and #18 Long.  They will  also need to mow the fairway on #3 Long, #5 Short, and #7 Short.  The greens (with the baskets in place) that need expanded are #12, #14, and #15 Long.  Let me know if this can be fixed before the next scheduled mow.   I'd like to move some of the baskets into these locations but can't until they've been mowed.

Some of the problems with the mow are because LSPR doesnt do the mowing, its contracted out.  Seems like its mostly a new crew this year, and until they understand how everything needs to be mowed, they just mow the minimum.

Scott emailed me that the rough should be mowed by 5/27...
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: BrianC on May 20, 2013, 03:33:42 PM
Mowers were out today.  Looked like they were starting on the rough. Also, huge tree down on 13 box.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: bbjon on May 30, 2013, 08:58:27 AM
I played with a good group out there on Tuesday night and they have not only mowed the fairways, but all the "cabbage patches" as well.  All those green, leafy, disc eaters were chopped down, and the snake as well R.I.P. 

Seriously though, I think LSPR does a pretty good job of keeping the park looking nice.  That being said, I went back out last night looking for a disc that fell out of my bag on Tuesday's round, and saw that the baskets had all been moved, which is good to keep things fresh and exciting.  I also saw a bunch, and I mean probably an entire 12 pack, of Bush Beer cans strewn across the front 9. 

This is poor taste at any park, but inexcusable at Legacy where there are trash cans every other hole.  The cans were not there on Tuesday when I played and no one in my group was drinking Bush.  This either happened during a day round on Wednesday or maybe a Tuesday night glow round.

If you know who the culprit is, shame them for leaving their trash behind.  I don't want to end up with not being able to enjoy a frosty beverage or two because someone can't pick up after themselves.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: john theiss on May 30, 2013, 12:45:03 PM
i think that beer bottles and cans often are left out there by underage drinkers.  Kids find some beverages and have no place to drink them.  Disc golf courses usually are easily accessible  and have some good places to hide. 
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: Kelly Markum on May 30, 2013, 01:33:03 PM
Tues night I picked up at least 8-10 cans/bottles & still missed 3 birdie putts. One day the karma will show up. The tues night company was enjoyed by all except maybe for Casey, his ass was a lil sore from Louie
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: Jake B on May 30, 2013, 02:21:27 PM
It's definitely someone playing the course. I've seen trails of Busch cans near every tee pad that looked like they had been shotgunned on both Legacy and Wilbur. Seriously, like 10 feet from the trash barrel...
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: bbjon on May 31, 2013, 10:27:37 AM
Tues night I picked up at least 8-10 cans/bottles & still missed 3 birdie putts. One day the karma will show up. The tues night company was enjoyed by all except maybe for Casey, his ass was a lil sore from Louie

Casey was definitely NOT enjoying Louie's company!  I missed the can's Tues night.  Who is in charge of moving baskets?  Is that KCFDC or LSPR?  The baskets were moved between Tues night and Wed night, but the cans remained.  Or someone came back for round two. 
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: Jake B on May 31, 2013, 10:53:19 AM
LSPR move the baskets.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: eeastwood on June 03, 2013, 12:29:09 PM
I went to the LSPR Park Board meeting last week to ask about some maintenance issues (replacing rusty chains/mowing) and future improvements (new pins, etc.).  There are follow on meetings scheduled in the near future, but the response I got on the mowing situations was they have received only a few complaints on this and this was news to them (Board) and that we should use their comment/complaint system.  These comments are always shared with their Board each month and hopefully addressed with corrective action or the rationale as to why it cannot be addressed.  So posting here isn't right the audience.  Please go to the following link and fill out the form about mowing at Legacy.  Anyone can comment, but obviously those that live in Lee's Summit carry a little extra weight. 

http://www.cityofls.net/Parks/Submenu/Contact-Us.aspx (http://www.cityofls.net/Parks/Submenu/Contact-Us.aspx)

Please let them know what you think.  The squeaky wheel gets the grease. 
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: jhinck2 on June 03, 2013, 12:57:08 PM
Comments posted.  Thanks for the link Eric!  I encourage as many people to post on that site as possible.  Legacy has a lot of potential with a little help from LSPR.
Title: Re: Grass Problem
Post by: jhinck2 on June 05, 2013, 08:19:11 AM
Here's the quick response I got from LSPR.  I asked about adding in another 9-18 holes or if that is not an option, putting in short pads for younger players/older players to mix it up.  I also asked about having tournaments out there as for whatever reason that rarely happens.  Last but not least I made mention that the rough isn't mowed enough.  One time I even kicked up a full size turkey out of it and didn't even see it when I was walking up to it.  Response as follows:

"Thank you for your comments about the Legacy Park Disc golf course.  We appreciate your suggestions concerning expansion of the course and additional tee boxes for younger players.  We currently do not have plans for expanding the course or adding additional tee boxes, although in  the future we may consider changes to the course.  The course was built as a recreational level course and placed in the vicinity of two shelters, a small playground and restroom facilities.  The shelters are frequently rented for family gatherings and organizational events.   Tournaments at the course are welcome but are required to meet certain requirements so as not to interfere with other uses of the park and shelters.  We will review our mowing schedule, we typically mow the fairways on a 14 day cycle and make adjustments to the schedule as needed, for instance the most recent cycle was 8 days and this week the fairways will be mowed on a 7 day cycle.  The rough is typically mowed three times per year and more if needed.  The rough has been mowed once already and another mowing is scheduled before July 1st. "

The more posts we get to the link Eric posted above the more they'll realize what potential the area has and what we'd like to see done to make it thrive.  It is what you make of it!