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Title: KCWO 2007
Post by: matty on February 06, 2007, 07:45:42 PM
is it too early to get a thread for this year's wide open ???
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: The Bird Father on February 07, 2007, 08:04:02 AM
Not at all....Meetings have already started taking place to get the ball rolling.

From the sound of things Am's will get 5 rounds this year compared to 3 last year....so take Friday June 22nd off work!!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: phisherman_77 on February 07, 2007, 10:13:30 AM
pretty fired up for this..

my 30th birthday is the weekend of the tournament, no better disc golf birthday present than that; now if my wife would only pay my entry fees

bp
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jstites on February 07, 2007, 10:35:00 AM
What are the entry fees typically?

I am fairly novice player, don't quite have a year under my belt.  Is the KCWO out of my league?  I am not looking to win anything, but I also would not want to put a kink in the whole operation due to suckiness.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: phisherman_77 on February 07, 2007, 11:01:00 AM
I thought I read that the entry fees last year were somewhere from $50-75.

Don't sweat being terrible; I've also played for less than a year.  I'll play intermediate and have a lot of fun!

bp
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: The Bird Father on February 07, 2007, 11:35:42 AM
Skill level should not be a factor...there will be divisions suitable for everyone.  It is a National Tour event so you will have to be a PDGA member or you will have to purchase a $5 temp membership when you register.

It's definately a great oppurtunity to experience what a tourney is like and to get you even more addicted to the sport.  I joined the PDGA last year just to play the 2006 KCWO...and after that I traveled to 4 other tourneys because I loved playing in an event like that.

Speaking of which....there are about 12 of us headed to Fort Worth on Friday to play in the first National Tour event of the season (Z Boaz)....so keep an eye on your fellow golfers tearing it up in Texas!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: andrew.jewett on February 07, 2007, 06:02:28 PM
I also joined the PDGA last year in order to be able to play in the KCWO. At that time, I had only been playing disc golf for about a year. I played in the Intermediate division. Played some of the worst golf of my life, but I had more fun playing in that tournament than anything since high school football games. Not only do I think you should play, I think that you should get as many of your friends as you possibly can to come out and play or even just watch as part of the gallery on Sunday for the final.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: slimneal on February 08, 2007, 09:49:05 PM
 The 25th Kansas City Wide Open is coming. It is old. Many of the KCWO7 steering committee are old too, just look at me. It is going to showcase the best KC metro has to offer. It won't be easy, but we have a good system that requires everybody to have a good time, no matter what the level. It requires volunteers, marketing, sponsors and enthusiasm, and some new blood. If you or any other young friend can help in any way, even if you are going to play, let us know.
Just think, some day you may be running the 50th Wide Open. Just cast my ashes at Swope. Wait a minute, I am only 52 that would make me 77, hell I could have a bionic arm by then, then I can whip your ass. Lord knows trees would be extinct, that would make driving much easier. I am serious, help now before it is too late. Look for kcwideopen.com to be updated soon.
Slim
Out
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: BamBam on February 13, 2007, 11:19:00 AM
Yeah...looking to rip it up at the Wide open. The cashins are the man and im sure Dan will once again organize a platoon of volunteers to see to every detail.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on February 13, 2007, 01:43:41 PM
Just got back from TX with Z-Boaz and the A-Tier, not a National Tour event, but still pretty big field.  The Wide Open as an NT and an A-Tier you CAN NOT pay the extra $5 to get in.  You MUST BE A PDGA MEMBER TO PLAY IN THE WIDE OPEN.

All levels can play in this event, and yes bring your friends.  If you want to play for free, buy a tee-sign for a mere $300 and you get in the event.  Don't wanna buy a tee-sign?  Ask your boss to buy a sign for you, then come to see how it looks on the course, and take a picture, send it to them and let them know that it looked great on the course, then ask again next year and never tell them that they are paying your way!!  What a great way to play for free.  I get to play for the first time in 5 years, and I will find that tee sign sponsor, of course I bought one last year, your welcome Dick Parker for your entry, and I will probably buy another one this year!!

Head to KC folks for the best courses anywhere with the most diversity that you can find in one event, I dare you to find another.

Jack
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Tom on February 13, 2007, 04:03:50 PM
What courses will I, as an advanced sandbagging master be playing, or has that information been determined yet? If it hasn't then allow me to offer my wish list......

Friday
round 1 Olathe
round 2 Wyco

Saturday
round 1 Rosey
round 2 WW

Sunday
only 1 round Swope 
That would be a very kewl schedule for me.

Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on February 13, 2007, 04:10:51 PM
I, as an advanced sandbagging master

I knew that.......   ;D

Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: andrew.jewett on February 13, 2007, 08:45:34 PM
Olathe would be cool to play in the KCWO if, IN MY OPINION, the laid rope out over most of the holes. We need to raise the bar in competition where every single hole carries some decent weight in one's possible score.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Tom on February 14, 2007, 07:21:28 AM
Rope sucks.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: John Chapman on February 14, 2007, 02:58:49 PM
What courses will I, as an advanced sandbagging master be playing, or has that information been determined yet?

It hasn't been nailed down completely, but you will play 2 rounds Friday on one course, 2 rounds Saturday on a different course, and one round Sunday on a yet different course, so you'll get 5 rounds at 3 different courses.  The courses we will choose from will be Swope, Rosedale, Water Works, and Wyco.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Tom on February 14, 2007, 03:20:12 PM
What courses will I, as an advanced sandbagging master be playing, or has that information been determined yet?

It hasn't been nailed down completely, but you will play 2 rounds Friday on one course, 2 rounds Saturday on a different course, and one round Sunday on a yet different course, so you'll get 5 rounds at 3 different courses.  The courses we will choose from will be Swope, Rosedale, Water Works, and Wyco.

Sounds good. Why no Olathe, I mean we have tee boxes, baskets, trees and stuff.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: The Bird Father on February 14, 2007, 04:25:46 PM
I would really like to see Olathe used atleast once also....

How many years has it been since it was part of the Wide Open?

Why is it considered the red headed step child of the KC area?

We added a bunch of distance with the back 4 hole reconfig....and added a pond on a hole, well in some cases 2 holes...hold on..I've seen discs go in the water from 14, 15, and 16.....what else do we have to do or add to make this course respected?  It's a ton better than the temp course they had set up for Z Boaz....longer and more difficult.

Shouldn't the Wide Open utilize all the courses that are part of KC...not necessarily all in one year, but atleast get them in there every other year.

Not to mention it brings in league funds all year round for the club....how many other courses do that???  Down Under.....that is IT!

Use it for the Am's if nothing else....they will love shooting under par in a tourney for once....
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on February 14, 2007, 05:55:46 PM
Seems a nerve has been struck with the Olathe crew.

My first volunteer effort for the KCFDC was as assistant course director during the 1994 Wide Open with Ned Smethers at Prairie Center when the course wasn't nearly as nice. Rubber-tub-home-made baskets and dirt tees with a less flexible, shorter, layout.

I suspect the reason it gets overlooked for events such as this is simply. location. If a large number of people have to drive between rounds or even in the morning from a distance it makes a differnece to how the event is perceived by out-of-towners. That's my .02.

I don't think anyone is disparaging the course. Quite the contrary. Most folks I've talked to have nothing but good things to say about PC and the recent changes. But I have nothing to do with it so.....  c-ya.

KM
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: andrew.jewett on February 15, 2007, 01:38:59 AM
I have to agree with Andy about the reconfiguration. It makes a huge difference. The back 9 is my favorite part of the course. I also agree with Kevin's logic on the subject. However, when lake lenexa and shawnee mission park are finished, those three courses would be a nice combination (location and terrain) for the KCWO. Even if it was just for the AMs. I think Olathe would still benefit from rope on some of the holes, especially on the 12-16 and 18.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: matty on February 15, 2007, 05:24:55 AM
 i don't think that pc fits in the schedule as is(playing the same course twice fri and sat and then 1 course sun) because you don't need to play it twice and it's too far away from the activities on sunday. i wouldn't mind playing pc and wyco the same day and just make a little loop to catch the ks courses. on the same note i don't think you need to play wyco twice; and it's location is not good for sunday.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: The Bird Father on February 15, 2007, 07:34:42 AM
I don't like the idea of playing the same course twice in one day...maybe one day but not two days.  I think we should be able to get exposer for more than 3 courses, especially for a 5 round tourney.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Nicky p on February 15, 2007, 02:10:36 PM
I think we have to look at it from a out-of-towners perspecive Like Kevin said. What do people think of when they think about Kansas city disc golf? I believe it would have to be Water Works and Swope Gold. There is a whole tourney for Wyco for them to come to. PC is a 30 min drive, not what people want to do when they all ready drove 3+ hours. Cliff is a great course but is not fully ready. Blue Valley is a good one rounder but lets leave it to the pros. Rosedale is just always there, a little bland but its in a good loc for travle. I think Rosedale Friday, Water Works Saturday, Swope gold Sunday. Wyco, Rosedale and PC could work but people need to know that they are spending the money to tralve to play well known courses, maybe when PC gets known better though the big "O". I just think it is great that we can argue on what courses to play, some wish to be as lucky.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: the blind man on February 15, 2007, 02:38:13 PM
I disagree that the kcfdc is worried about location of the courses. After attending world championship events I found out alot of people that attended the wide open last year have a view that kc courses are in the hood. Its a 19 minute drive from the first tee pad at wyco to 1st tee pad at Olathe all on the same Hwy. There is several reasons why Olathe now gets more disc golf traffic in a course of a week than anywhere else except rosedale and WW. Thanks for all the hard work Bob, Tom Andy and the other several few that have given there time to make Olathe a great course. Always mowed and properly maintained and clean..
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: andrew.jewett on February 15, 2007, 03:06:39 PM
Okay, so what courses will the open field be playing? Will the final be at blue valley? If it is, then the final for the ams needs to be at Waterworks or Swope, in order for a gallery to be feasable for sunday's leader card.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Mike Penney on February 15, 2007, 10:16:03 PM
Cliff Drive is closer.............................
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: eupher61 on February 15, 2007, 10:29:37 PM
to answer to Andy about 2 rounds...most tour players prefer 2 rounds, so you can get another crack at them.  People coming from out of town may not know all the courses, and my have a chance to play one or two courses the day before round 1, but probably not 3.  Logistics of running the tourney, too...moving everyone around, including boards, water, first aid,......that's  a whole lot of movin' to do in not too long a time and get things reorganized for another tee off in an hour or so.

I do agree, though, it would sure be nice to get Olathe and WyCo both in somehow.  hell, we could set up an Olathe Gold, get a couple hunks of fly pad, make sure the soccer fields aren't being used, and there ya go. 
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: JoCodog on February 16, 2007, 07:31:18 AM
Since Olathe, Lenexa, and Shawnee are so far away from KC, perhaps when the courses go in at Heritage Park, Shawnee Mission Park, and Lenexa, the Johnson Countians should secede from the KCFDC and form a new club. A new club with lower dues and a lower amount taken from league entrys. Perhaps the Kaw Valley Club, and Wyco could merge into this new Johnson County Club as well.     
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: The Bird Father on February 16, 2007, 07:33:20 AM
You wouldn't have to worry about the soccer fields if it was the first round on Friday morning....nobody will be in the park...also we could use all the land on the north side of the pond temporarily for a "Olathe Gold" course....probably get an extra hole in also if need be.

I just get upset when we used a "course in the making" last year and we can't even give a little thought about using all the courses we have....like blind man said...it's 19 minutes from #1 Olathe to #1 Wyco with every kind of food stop in between.  Personnel.....I understand....but make the tee time earlier than 10 and make the lunch break longer.....
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: The Bird Father on February 16, 2007, 07:34:46 AM
Don't start splitting the club...that happened in Denver from what I hear and it killed both sides.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Nicky p on February 16, 2007, 11:27:58 AM
Lower dues?A lower amount taken from league entrys? Is this the same Johnson county Kansas that is the 3RD richest county in the USA.

Perhaps the Kaw Valley Club, and Wyco could merge into this new Johnson County Club as well?     Wyco=Wyandotte county not Johnson

First you try to take the Speedway and Legends now my course!

Dont get me worng I would like to play these courses in the wide open but go and break up somthing good over it.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: slimneal on February 16, 2007, 07:13:24 PM
In case you didn't know.............A long time ago and far away............................
There were two clubs in KC in the early 1990's, the KCFDC and The Swope Park Disc Golf Club. Of course there were only two courses then. Rosedale and Swope.
It was not the most pleasant experience for all, as there was tension between the clubs, but both clubs still elevated the sport and acted as a catalyst for the 8+ courses we have now.
I can see the WO migrating as a special event to a totally KS or MO side in the future, but logistics for travel is the prevailing factor as well as coordination for the event courses. KCFDC, via Rick Rothstein, Jack Lowe, Chappy  and Dan Cashen have a great history with the KC metro Parks & Rec for city support, and supplies for course readiness and flexibility of design. We are blessed to have so many types of courses with more coming up.
I am concerned if the club can keep up with them all. It takes a vast amount of volunteer support to set up the courses, monitor them and coordinate activities with the various municipalities, even on a daily basis. When we promote the tournament there is so much that goes on behind the scenes it would make your head swim.  And we are just doing a regional tourney, albeit A tier, 25th year. There is talk of doing another major national week long event next year.
The KCFDC function has torn down the previous barrier and allowed us to proceed on a metro wide basis. We all have our home course. Me, I was raised at Swope. 27 year player, 22,650 bags of trash, although who is counting?

Volunteer for the Wide Open or do things to help on your own, just don't get carried away.
Slim
 
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: robertalan on February 16, 2007, 08:02:35 PM
I would love to see PC used in the Wide Open.  We used PC in both of the Am Worlds held in KC within the last ten years.  I remember talking with some of the out-of-towners after their round and they loved the course.  They would really love it now that we've made even more improvements recently.  What's wrong with using the course on Friday for perhaps the ams in the Wide Open?  Maybe by then I'll be recovered from my hernia surgery.  Later...Fisherman Bob Hayett
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: John Chapman on February 16, 2007, 10:48:30 PM
We used PC in both the 1999 and 2003 Am Worlds, and used it most recently for the 2002 and 2003 KCWO. We did not use it in either 2004, 2005, 2006.  I think this year, at least, the concern was more location to the other courses and the party on Saturday night at BV.  We have not shied away from using PC in the past.  It's a fine course, but historically we have gotten more complaints from players when we left out Water Works, Rosedale, or Swope from the KCWO than we have gotten we we've left out PC.  Just saying.  Such is the curse of having so many good courses.  PC will definitely be used in a Pro/Am Worlds scenario in 2009, should we submit a successful bid.

I like playing PC....I used to go to league out there all the time, even though I lived up north.  I regret not being able to go out there this year, as I will be running league at Cliff the same night.

Chap
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: andrew.jewett on February 17, 2007, 12:56:34 AM
Two consecutive rounds at the same course is prefered by pros. Cool. But we are talking about the AMs at PC, and that would be great.

Too much stuff for one club to handle in the near future? No problem. Dont need to have another club. Maybe just a Kansas division of the club, and a Missouri division of the club. Like an organization that does business in different markets or regions. It is governed by the same principles, with both sides being accountable to the same executive committee and each other. Working together for the greater kansas city area. ONE CLUB. Each side can coordinate with each other, while receiving direction from the executive committe which administrates both sides.

P.S.  Seattle is freakin' awesome guys. I played Sea-Tac today, and it is one of the best designed layouts I have ever played. Playing random flip doubles with some locals I met last time I was here. Won both rounds last time with a local partner. Will do my best to represent KC!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mansizioux on February 17, 2007, 09:13:57 PM
I live on the east side of the city and agree that PC and WyCo would be a great first day for the ams.  Then two rounds on Sat. at the course that isn't being used that day by the pros(CliffDrive, Swope, Rosedale).  The final round (just 18 holes for the people coming from out of town) at Water Works.  We didn't get to play WW last year.  A question that keeps coming up, do you have to make a course long to make it hard?  Can't you put rope on a short course? Or should you put more rope on the longer courses.  These are honest questions from someone who is just getting to know the game.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: andrew.jewett on February 18, 2007, 01:14:28 AM
I think that rope should be used with discretion. There is a fine line(no pun) that should be determined by considering the density of foiliage     ( will a bad shot be punished with an impossible shot from the bush?) in combination with distance and the width of the fairways. If there are not enough natural obstacles and "rough" to keep a player in check, then rope should be considered. Distance should only be a factor relative to those other variables.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: dananarama on February 20, 2007, 11:30:36 AM
Hey Jack (or whoever),

Is there a pretty flyer somewhere we can print out and show our boss to try and sell the teesign sponsorship?


Dan
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Angiemoe on February 21, 2007, 10:57:58 AM
I love reading your posts! Great ideas here. Just shows that the kcfdc is always top-notch and working hard to make the players happy.

You all have valid points on locations, roping and issues. I believe when the day arrives, regardless of where we play, it is going to be a badass time.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: andrew.jewett on February 21, 2007, 01:00:19 PM
Agreed
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on February 22, 2007, 02:29:32 PM
I am working on sponsorship forms with Spady today.  Hopefully something soon will happen.

As for WyCo and PC, the decisions that need to made will be made by the TD and the TD alone.  He will decide what makes the most sense.

As for ROPES, have any of you ever helped with the WO and the roping of a course?  HOURS and HOURS of time to get the rope out properly, making sure that it is visibile to the players, then HOURS and HOURS of getting the rope up.  TIME effort and ENERGY to make that happen, if you can get 5-10 people to volunteer and get rope out, then talk with Dan about it, otherwise, it isn't gonna happen.  It is the hardest most labor intensive part of course prep ever.

As far as WyCo and PC again I think that they are fine courses, but travel time and then also having some of the people not being able to play the "Original KC Courses" for the 25th would be bad.  Everyone wants WW, who can blame them, Rosedale and Swope are solid as well, BV will be for the Pro's and then you have people that will want to see how they scored compared to the Pros on the same courses, by using the same courses you get that, plus not to mention if you really use 5 different courses you have to have officials that know each of the courses inside and out and move your staff around ALOT more, then focusing in on 4 courses.  Time effort and ENERGY.

As for the thread about succeding, we already have a VP for each state.  If you do not feel as though Dirk is representing KS well, then srtep up and take him out of office.  If Mark is not doing well in MO then step up and take him out.  we work as hard as we can on a complete VOLUNTEER time allotment.  If you can do it better, then PLEASE come do it, we need more help always will.

As the courses get more involved, this was a vision that I saw with having the need to have VP's in each state, and that is why I presented this change to the by-laws in 2002 or 2003, we need to have representation of each state, but again folks we are at the discretion of the P&R in all municipalities, if they want to do something different then they can.  We are squatters and have very little rights, with the exception of MO as we have a contract with them on the land, but again if they want to do something different they sure could and we don't have a leg to stand on.

Hopefully we will have CLiff Drive Pads in over the next few months, and that will help.  As for the comment about the disc golf courses in the "HOOD", KC is one of the highest crime rates in America right now, so our whole city is in the "HOOD"  Olathe gets more traffic because it is the only place to play in that part of town with sprawling growth, as the other courses go in, it will trail in numbers, and hopefully take some out of Rosedale as well. 

Olathe P&R woprks hard at the course but they also have less to worry about than WyCo (WyCo and Rosedale) and KCMO (over 200 parks) so it makes sense that it is more manicured, but they also have taken down trees that were diseased and do not replenish them as we as a club have to find ways to make that happen.

I understand gripes and complaints, but if you spend more time working with the people involved in pushing things to get done for the sport and less time typing in here, we would have better courses across the grain.  To select a course in my mind that has a great P&R that do good work and singe it out as the best  to play is really short changing the remainder courses that have just as much work from just as many people.

Bottom line if you want to wait for someone to do something, then you need to get out there and work with the CC and get it done.  Typing about it in the chat rooms will never accomplish anything.

ZSorry if this sounds crass, but some of the topic in here is way out of line.

Help out however you can, even if it is bringing a new player into the game, or watching the Wide Open.

BTW, if we have a record turnout in players pre-registering you will FORCE the TD to have to use all the courses, that would bee the best way to get your course out here.

Jack
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: andrew.jewett on February 23, 2007, 03:44:36 AM
Who's complaining? Who's out of line? I believe there was just a lot of exchange of ideas going on between some people with common interests. Thanks for clearing everything up though. Oh, and I guess the club is already in the format that I was talking about. You could of just said that. After all, that is just lack of keeping myself informed, so I dont see why you think I was criticizing anyone or the job they are doing. Pardon me for getting defensive, but I think that was a bit harsh my friend.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Mike Penney on February 23, 2007, 04:52:28 AM
Rope sucks.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Tom on February 23, 2007, 07:39:11 AM
Pine tree wilt has been killing, and continues to kill many of our trees at Prairie Center. Fortunately for us, the Olathe arborist is constantly planting new trees around the park. Originally, PC had very few trees. Since 1990 approximately 200 trees have been planted in PC by the city.


 
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jstites on February 23, 2007, 09:45:15 AM
I say the tree farm on #10 and #11 at PC should stay.  In 10 or 15 years, those would be some very tricky holes designed by a very sadistic disc golfer.  Trying putting an S-curve through that.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Mike Penney on February 23, 2007, 06:56:49 PM
If you have never laid rope out on a course it takes a long time (hourS), and isn't that much fun, especially when you'd rather be playing golf. As far as seperate clubs good idea, but I don't think it should be revisited. I believe a better solution would be course clubs, such as what Jim Neal is doing at Swope (Swop Love Society). Personally I think that once the new KS courses are in, that instead of one major event a year there should be 2, yup two events. One in the spring time, the other in the fall, one on KS courses, the other on MO courses. But thats just me pipe dreaming again.......
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: discwrangler on March 05, 2007, 12:42:07 PM
Rope creates more challenge.   ;D

What courses/layouts will the open division be playing?
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: discwrangler on March 13, 2007, 12:26:33 PM


What courses/layouts will the open division be playing?

Anyone?  Bueller?
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: The Bird Father on March 13, 2007, 12:40:08 PM
Courses will be Water Works, Blue Valley and Swope Gold.....for Open I believe

Rosedale, Wyco, Water Works, and Swope for Am's.....or that's the last I heard.


Layouts.....hmmm......that probably won't be determined until a couple weeks before....I imagine if it's like last year then everything will be set long.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: discglover on March 14, 2007, 11:21:26 AM
I was hoping there would be some info as to when the Wide Open actually is. I was at a club meeting when it was brought up but we were served beer too!!! If the calender of events actually had events on it with minimal details, this post would not have been created.If my weak memory serves me better than I thought, it is at the end of June or somewhere close.

BTW, thanks Kevin montgomery for the kudos on the Ice Bowl interview. The interview was on the 5 o'clock and 9 o'clock news that Sunday night. No that's not all the fame I got. It was also on THE NEXT DAY TOO on the 5am and 8am news too. You would not believe how many friends and relatives called to say they saw it. One of my bosses at work had kidded me about seeing the newscast and had asked what was the reward for turning me in since I was THE MOST WANTED SEXUAL PREDATOR IN K.C. He said he had no idea I liked 11 year old girls. I kiddingly responded "If you are going to tell it, tell it right, it was an 11 year old boy!!" The look on a woman supervisor that overheard the conversation was priceless. I finally "cornered" her to tell the REAL STORY!! 
I told my Human Relations manager if they would have kicked in the donations I asked for, Kelloggs would have gotten a plug from me too.
As far as a flyer to show our employers for sponsorship or donations, that would be grrrrreat. Kelloggs has been known to sponsor some big events so maybe with a flyer, and possibly a better representative than me to help with the presentation, we can have Tony the Tiger on a banner saying the KCWO is GRRRRRREAT!! How bout it Jack or Dan or anyone who can sell ANYTHING!! I talked to them already but I am not as knowledgable on details as others may be such as the tax write off info. Give me a call to let me know if ANYONE is willing to help and I will set up the meeting with the proper person at my job.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on March 14, 2007, 11:35:07 AM
The dates of this years Wide Open are:

KCWO - June 22-24th (PDGA NT)

As for sponsorship info you need to get with Dan or Jack. They should have a packet available for distribution.

So, do you feel a little over exposed after all the media attention....    ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jstites on March 22, 2007, 10:35:45 AM
I was poking around the KCWO site.  It said AMS get 5 rounds and Pros get 4 rounds.  Is that right?

That sounds like a fantastic weekend
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Brisque CK on March 22, 2007, 12:05:04 PM
Will the Open division be playing Swope Gold or Blue Valley for Sunday's final round? From what I was reading, it sounded like Swope Gold was the final battleground. Was it set up this way because of Saturday's BBQ? Or does swope gold play a higher SSA than Blue Valley?
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: John Chapman on March 22, 2007, 04:26:19 PM
Will the Open division be playing Swope Gold or Blue Valley for Sunday's final round? From what I was reading, it sounded like Swope Gold was the final battleground. Was it set up this way because of Saturday's BBQ? Or does swope gold play a higher SSA than Blue Valley?

Pros: Fri: Water Works, Swope Regular
        Sat: Blue Valley
        Sun: Swope Gold

Advanced Ams Pool A: Fri: Wyco (2 rounds)
                               Sat: Water Works (2 rounds)
                               Sun: Rosedale

All other ams: Pool B: Fri: Rosedale (2 rounds)
                              Sat: Swope Regular (2 rounds)
                              Sun: Water Works

Advanced Men will be in Pool A, and probably Advanced Women, too.  There may be others in Pool A, just depends on the numbers in each division.

Everyone else (ams) in Pool B.

All of this is subject to change, but it's fairly solid.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on March 22, 2007, 05:20:59 PM
Rats...   I heard a rumor and started spreading it myself that the pros would get to play WyCo. The several pros I mentioned it to seemed pretty interested in that.

As long as you don't make the Advanced Mastes play Swope Gold again I'll be a happy camper......    ;D

Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: phisherman_77 on March 22, 2007, 05:33:37 PM
Is the final pro round going to be in the afternoon so Ams can come by and watch?

I'm pumped about playing in the Wide Open this year, but was hoping to be able to catch the Pro's final round on Swope Gold

bp
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on March 23, 2007, 12:04:01 AM
That's why there's only one round for the Ams on Sunday morning. There will be a rolling start for the pros at Swope so the Ams will be finishing up and heading to Swope about the time the lead card starts. We will be able to watch most of the lead card's final round at Swope after playing a morning final round in the Am divisions.

Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: phisherman_77 on March 23, 2007, 08:53:16 AM
is there any more info coming regarding an informational document for KCWO potential sponsors?

i'd love to try to get sprint to pay my entry fee into the tournament, but i need something official to send to the sponsorship group

brian p
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: The Can tankerous A.N.G on March 23, 2007, 10:39:54 AM
Is Rosedale going to be the same length for both Am rounds on Friday, or will it go from regular/staggered to hella long?  :)
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: dananarama on March 23, 2007, 10:44:32 AM
Have you checked out the sponsorship page here (http://www.kcwideopen.com/sponsors.asp)?  It looks pretty nice.  I am in a similar situation, though, needing something pretty spiffy to hand over to the boss.  Could someone generate a pdf of this page for folks like us to print out in color at work and stick in a presentation folder?  Also, I don't see a detail of the pricing per tee sign on the page.  That will be needed.

The website looks great, by the way.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: The Bird Father on March 23, 2007, 11:00:24 AM
Sponsorship stuff is in the works....I didn't make the last meeting but I heard there was some talk about it.  I have a couple people interested in sponsorship also...
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on March 23, 2007, 11:57:26 AM
There will be a limited supply of nice full color quad-fold brochures available any day now. I'm sure Jack will chime in here when they are available. They were on display at Tuesday's meeting and headed for press this week.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: John Chapman on March 24, 2007, 12:53:32 PM
is there any more info coming regarding an informational document for KCWO potential sponsors?

i'd love to try to get sprint to pay my entry fee into the tournament, but i need something official to send to the sponsorship group

brian p

Contact Jack at 913-485-5123.  He had some flyers made upo for sponosrship, or was in the process of making them.

'Chap
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Chainsaw on March 26, 2007, 10:59:44 AM
Is their a cap on any of the divisions?
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: John Chapman on March 26, 2007, 01:09:06 PM
Is their a cap on any of the divisions?

There is a cap on pool size (currently, we'd have Advanced Men and Women in one pool of Ams, and everyone else in the other), no more than players in any pool.  The arrangement of the pools could change depending on the number of entries we get in each division.

Chap
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Tom on April 02, 2007, 03:09:38 PM
is the schedule finalized, or close to being finalized yet?  I registered Friday and was curious where/when I'll be playing my 5 rounds of wide open fun.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on April 02, 2007, 05:15:28 PM
Way to soon to know the schedule, not even sure how many players.  If everyone was as good as you at pre-registering then yes we would be able to have that information.  As it stands now, I think that they now which courses the divisions play, just not when and where on what day.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: John Chapman on April 02, 2007, 09:12:23 PM
is the schedule finalized, or close to being finalized yet?  I registered Friday and was curious where/when I'll be playing my 5 rounds of wide open fun.

Tom,

   Who did you give your registration to?  Did you mail it?  I have not received it yet, and I know you did not complete it online.  Let me know, we'll get it straightened out.

Chap
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on April 02, 2007, 09:39:52 PM
He gave it to me along with his membership renewal. I e-mailed Rick about it.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: John Chapman on April 03, 2007, 09:55:51 PM
He gave it to me along with his membership renewal. I e-mailed Rick about it.

No problemo...I'll update it mañana.

Chap
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: gleauzinier on April 04, 2007, 07:31:31 PM
any idea on pin placements and a general idea when the final results will be posted? any updates would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Chainsaw on April 04, 2007, 07:41:36 PM
If it is anything like last year, the results will be available evenings after the rounds, at the host hotel(s) and probably on the pdga website.

As far as pin placements are concerned, last year all the parks had the pins in their most difficult settings. I believe all of them were as long as possiblem with the exception of Water Works #8, which was placed short on the steep hill in front of the tee box. Pete Cashen told me once that Ken Climo took a 5 or 6 on that hole at a past KCWO. Last year was the first that I have played, so I do not know whether the pin format was the same as in past years. I would not count on any mercy though, as this is a NT. Its going to be fun.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: gleauzinier on April 05, 2007, 10:48:22 AM
what about mandatories? are the courses going to be mowed before the tournament in case I learn how to throw a roller? how about extra pencils for keeping score?
I have strict dietary requirements, will there be additive free, non-gluten organic vegetables served at the courses providing lunch?
there is so much to think about when preparing for such an event.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on April 05, 2007, 11:51:14 AM
for your viewing pleasure Geauzinier, we have added a special section in the WIde Open players forum for those that interested, it would be wise to view them in the highest settings, of your television monitors at home, you will need to call Nasa to get the special satellite link up password to access this channel of information, as we inadeverantly sent the information to Galileo prior to posting the scores on the "earth based" internet.  Our hopes are that by the time the systems have synched up that all scores should be available on the smaller "internet", not to be confused with the galaxy-net that our source scripters sent on or around June 25th.  Course configurations may be made available prior to the actual earthen event by the middle of June.  As far as gluten free recipies, as of last count, we were ordering seaweed greens and a special drink from an oxygen bar for lunches, that will come in commerative sea-shell lunch boxes, the problem was that they were determined to not be biodegradeable, so we are sourcing alternate methods.

Now back to your regular viewing pleaseure.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Chainsaw on April 05, 2007, 06:12:08 PM
Entrapment devices are all considered mandatory...
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: gleauzinier on April 05, 2007, 11:02:00 PM
I heard you were working on the uplink to the noaa satellite, is there any chance of a real time feed so we can watch ourselves during the rounds?
seashells aren't biodegradeable or just the commerative ones?
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on April 06, 2007, 09:30:32 AM
the half life for the seashell was determined to be too long for the weather in Kansas, in MO it had a half likfe that was shorter, so we were thinking of sending all the seashells to a region just inside of the kansas city border off of 4-35 and Booth ave.  Bu alas there was some stupid dog there that kept on chasing the shells away, we are still at the drawing board, and plan to bring some type of video feeds, of course to watch yourselves, we will need to equip all the bags with the new LCD film screens that you need to have helium to charge, so as soon s Bush gets done with the moon missions and we bring back the helium3 we should be ready to go with that, Bush has never let us down before, so I doubt that he will this time either, he is such a good man!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Tom on April 10, 2007, 07:36:39 AM
If he is such a good man, I wonder why Monica Lewinski doesn't have relations with him?

As far as helium from the moon, I just wish they would bring back some of that good cheese that it's made of.

It's 71 days til the wide open!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mokanmikey on April 26, 2007, 12:14:39 PM
MokanMikey signed up today!!   :o

Hope this was not to much of a shock for your system  ;D

See ya'll soon!!

Mike
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on April 26, 2007, 01:09:25 PM
It's about time you crawled out to play some disc golf. I hope you're playing the right division. I want on your card.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mokanmikey on April 26, 2007, 09:53:12 PM
Advanced Masters Kevin...
I'll see ya next weekend for some practice at Clydes, the beers are waiting!!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Boulder CO on May 09, 2007, 09:42:25 PM
The schedule for the KCWO just came out but I'm still not sure where I play on Friday.  I'm playing in the Pro Masters division.  Can anyone help?

From the schedule...
All professional divisions will play Water Works for the first two rounds.
All other Pro Divisions will play Swope Original.

Thanks
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on May 09, 2007, 11:15:30 PM
UNfortunately that is about as good as it gets, with all the late entries, it is hard to tell how many each field will have. 
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: John Chapman on May 10, 2007, 10:14:24 PM
The schedule for the KCWO just came out but I'm still not sure where I play on Friday.  I'm playing in the Pro Masters division.  Can anyone help?

From the schedule...
All professional divisions will play Water Works for the first two rounds.
All other Pro Divisions will play Swope Original.

Thanks


Jack or Dan,

  Can you clarify? I thought pros were playing one round each Water Works and Swope on Friday.  We just weren't sure how the pools were going to shape up yet, so we weren't sure which order they were playing in.

Chap

Chap
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on May 11, 2007, 10:57:59 AM
Right now, the hope is that they play 2 rounds at WW, if there is over 90 Pro players, the way I understand it then we may look at switching courses, or having Open Men play WW all other Pro Div play Swope (2 rds at same course)  That of course is only my speculation, Dan will have the final say on the whole shi-bang
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: joeharr on June 12, 2007, 07:56:20 AM
highty ho to all my friends in KCtown
wish I could make the 07WO- but 09whirrleds are now on the agendy...

kwestion- got WO super-rocs this year? really I'd love one like the 2 I had from the 20th WO (yellow w/XXstamp)- finally put my 2nd one in a deep dark pond- hope the fishes like reading the names on my old fave acedisc...

good luck on this yr's kcwo!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mokanmikey on June 12, 2007, 08:28:50 PM
The count down has begun!!!

10......
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: goat on June 13, 2007, 10:40:17 AM
 ::)  Joe!!!!  I try to snatch (buy or win) a couple WO2007 rocks for you and stash them for safe keeping.  It's always good to hear from you.  Peace.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mokanmikey on June 13, 2007, 01:45:05 PM
9......
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on June 14, 2007, 08:45:20 AM
Mike Mannering was here today, WOW, what a privelige to know and witness this!!!
:)

Registration NOW, I nkow of at least 6 people that have not done so yet, how many do you know?
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mokanmikey on June 14, 2007, 07:55:22 PM
8 more days!!

mokanmikey strikes again!!!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Rick Rothstein on June 15, 2007, 03:13:49 PM
Mokan Mikey? Hmmm. The name sounds familar....hmmmm?

The count down has begun!!!

10......

Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 15, 2007, 04:02:12 PM
7 more days......

Nivek9 beats Mokan Mikey to the punch....    :o

But will he have similar success at the KCWO? We shall see....    ;D

Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mokanmikey on June 15, 2007, 10:59:30 PM
6 more days!!!



ok, I did it an hour early so Kevin won't get by me again  ;)

Get excited people!!!  ;D
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Chainsaw on June 17, 2007, 11:34:12 PM
Wow! 51 Open men! AND! 20 of them have 1000+ ratings! It is going to be a great show!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mokanmikey on June 19, 2007, 06:38:25 PM
Missed a few...

TWO MORE DAYS!!!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: smitty on June 19, 2007, 08:32:31 PM
What is the plan?

Will Open play 2 rounds at WW or are we going to play one at WW and the next at Swope or somewhere else?

Any info would be great.


Smitty
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: slimneal on June 19, 2007, 09:20:23 PM
The KCWO07 Guide book is now posted on the website   kcwideopen.com

Slim
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on June 19, 2007, 10:04:03 PM
As of TONIGHT
Open Men/Women Friday @ WW AM then Swope and Lunch @ Swope in PM

All other Pro Divisions @ Swope AM, then Lunch and WW in PM on Friday.

The plan was if we did only have 90-95 total Pro we'd play @ one course all day, since there is more we have to split, but Slimmer is correct, the program is online now.

Jack
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: John Chapman on June 21, 2007, 10:15:02 AM
As of TONIGHT
Open Men/Women Friday @ WW AM then Swope and Lunch @ Swope in PM

All other Pro Divisions @ Swope AM, then Lunch and WW in PM on Friday.

The plan was if we did only have 90-95 total Pro we'd play @ one course all day, since there is more we have to split, but Slimmer is correct, the program is online now.

Jack

And the program is incorrect in this matter.  It slipped through the cracks without the change.

The pro course setup is as Jack has stated above, and this will be reiterated at check-in.

Chap.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 21, 2007, 10:18:14 PM
0 more days!!!!!

See you on a course somewhere in KC bright and early!!!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on June 21, 2007, 11:58:48 PM
Di I win something for being the first on the day?
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on June 21, 2007, 11:59:29 PM
Sorry my clock on my computer does not match.......the KCFDC time stamp
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on June 22, 2007, 12:00:02 AM
260 as of yesterday..........
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Mike Penney on June 22, 2007, 10:17:35 AM
no you get nothing for being frist on the course, as I was the first one at Swope AND Water Works,, ha ha! :D
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Dan Weinert on June 22, 2007, 04:11:49 PM
WOW...got to spot for the big boys today at Waterworks. What a blast! It was fun to see some of the top dogs throw hole #5 just like I have...like we all have for that matter. (down the hill...all the way down the hill)

Thanks for the opportunity Ben!

See you all tomorrow at Blue Valley!

Peace out~

Dan  8)
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mokanmikey on June 22, 2007, 08:49:12 PM
I survived!!!!!

Look out Swope, here I come!!!  ;D
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Dan Weinert on June 23, 2007, 10:30:49 PM
Another fun day of spotting at Blue Valley. Got to learn the course and see some great talent. From the players I talked to, everyone seem very happy with the torney. Great job to all involved.

Dan  8)
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: will on June 25, 2007, 08:52:14 AM
I only saw Blue Valley and Swope but they both looked fantastic.  Thanks to everyone for a great weekend. 
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 25, 2007, 04:09:05 PM
A quote from Dr. Ace Mason:

"I see everyone leaving with smiles on their faces again this year, that's a good thing".

Thanks to Dan and Pete Cashen and all the volunteers in the KCFDC for putting on a great event again this year.

Title: Re: KCWO 2007 Songs by Slim
Post by: slimneal on June 25, 2007, 08:26:38 PM
By unpopular demand here are the lyrics of The 25th Wide Open Official Song.

25th Kansas City Wide Open Official Song
Disc Golfers Refrain. (Originally sung at the 15th Wide Open, changes made for current conditions)



Get Down, Get up, get over
Sounds like an old country song
Get Down, Get up, and get over
Is what we yell when we play- ay disc golf

I throw my Roc as hard as I want to
Its so stable it flies like the breeze
I shank a Whippet with muuuucho mungo
I goes stands up and coon dogs a tree    ((Hooooowlll)

Cause it didn’t get up, or get down but it turned over
It’s a disc golfers refrain
We yell Get up, get down, and get over
In the Wind, and the Sun, and the Rain

Welcome to 25th Wide Open
For It is the best in the land
By the time that its all over
Will it be Nate Doss or Crabtree, the man.

Cause Pros know how to get up, get down and turn it over
Their arms as strong as their knees
So get it up, get on down and get over it
And enjoy your stay in KC.                             Jim Neal 1997/2007

Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: otter on June 25, 2007, 09:04:45 PM
Wow...amen!  8)
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: McCabe on June 26, 2007, 09:27:24 AM
Thanks KC, for all your hard work!!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Keizer on June 26, 2007, 01:05:59 PM
Have they posted the results anywhere yet? I still don't know who won... :-\
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 26, 2007, 01:25:28 PM
Have they posted the results anywhere yet? I still don't know who won... :-\

Ams: http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=6391 (http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=6391)

Pros: http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=6271 (http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=6271)
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Keizer on June 26, 2007, 05:13:15 PM
Thanks, Kevin. I had been checking the KCWO site itself expecting the scores to be there. Looks like Blue Valley ate a lot of those guys for lunch!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Psychoholic on June 27, 2007, 12:03:13 AM
Did Barry Schultz not finish the 4th round? looks like he scored a 999 ? if not why?
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: Mike Penney on June 27, 2007, 06:54:48 AM
Shoulder injury on Swope Gold, hole 3.....i think
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on June 27, 2007, 10:53:43 AM
Hurt it on #17 @ Blue Valley, by hole #3 @ Swope, he decided it was not worth risking further injury.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: David E on June 29, 2007, 04:30:55 PM
How about that last round? Kyle, ranked #48 rips a -12 to win the pro's!  Hold crap batman!!! -12 on Swope gold!!
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: otter on June 29, 2007, 11:02:14 PM
Tune in next week to find out if Batman...is as dumb as he looks.  :-\ ;D
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: jack on July 02, 2007, 08:42:38 AM
"swope gold".......I dont like that phrase at all, there was no "GOLD ROPE" just the extra placements, and the man made lake on the new holes, and a mando on #1, I think that at best it was Swope with a Bronzed bust........
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mokanmikey on July 02, 2007, 06:08:18 PM
I thought Gold wasn't supposed to tarnish, but in this instance, it did.
Title: Re: KCWO 2007 Photos
Post by: David E on July 16, 2007, 03:09:04 PM
Here's a few pictures I took on the final day.

http://flickr.com/photos/thebigc/sets/72157600821690372/
Title: Re: KCWO 2007
Post by: mokanmikey on July 17, 2007, 08:17:38 AM
What a handsome bunch in the second photo!!

 ;)