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Club Archives / Re: 2008 KC Wide Open - GO KC!
« on: June 07, 2008, 10:56:53 PM »
The KC Wide Open party tonight at Blue Valley was loads of fun. Kelly Warren cooked burger and brats and veggies for all the players who showed, guests, and staff. Bob Hayett's band was perfect with lots of blues and rhythm and blues. And, of course, the two kegs of Boulevard got emptied.

I just perused the results, and gotta say, GO KC. We've got Justin Starks leading the advanced by 2. His 53 at Rosedale today was rated 995. Ken Hostetler is only 3 out of the lead in advanced masters. KC occupies the top 2 spots in the intermediate men's division, with Steve Harris leading Aaron Johnson by five. With a lead of 20 throws, Lindsey Keith needs to avoid falling into a sink hole to claim her intermediate women's title.

On the pro side, Arturo Villarreal and David Hemmeline are tied for 6th and 11th, respectively in the open. While likely a bit too far down to the leader, Steve Rico, they are both poised to win coveted USGDC invitations. In the "old" divisions, Bryan Guthrie in masters and Mark Stiles in grandmasters are both only one throw out of the lead.

Oh yeah, this is probably the windiest Wide Open in our storied 26 year history. I heard a few of the stories from was not easy for anyone.

Once again, go KCFDC players!

It should be more fun tomorrow at Water Works where all the pros are playing. The lead women's group tees at 12:30 and the top 4 open players go at 1:30. Check the tee times for the pros here: If attending,  please park in the Cerner parking lot directly across from the Park entrance. Spectators may enter a raffle for a Innova Traveler target. There will also be tournament discs and tee shirts for sale.

Just a reminder for those wanting to play casual rounds tomorrow: the ams should be finishing up at Swope and Blue Valley around noonish. Everyone associated with the KC Wide Open appreciates the majority of players in town who have cooperated with the course closures during the event.

.....on the subject of fat lady singing, wouldn't the Open benefit from the National Anthems played prior to the shotgun start?

I've never understood why the national anthem is played at sporting events. They are commercial events. The national anthem is not played at movies or plays and usually, not at concerts or nightclubs. What benefits do you see Jamie?


Rosedale / Re: Workday for the Wide Open May 31st
« on: June 02, 2008, 08:50:05 AM »
Nice job everyone. Looking forward to seeing the stairs. Just got off the phone with Pat Guilfoil, who says the mowers will be there late Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday. Wyco is getting done today (I think)>


It was a good day for Rosedale.  The stairs are complete, and man that was a chore!!!!  I'd like to give a big thanks to John Buckle for picking up the lumber on Friday and being there today from start (9am) to finish (6:30pm), he was the man today.  I'd also like to thank Clay Chance, Nick Winklebauer, and Steve Glover for all their help on building the stairs everyone really pitched and put in a good days worth of work.

In addition we had crews out on the course trimming trees, weeds, cleaning up dead limbs and anything else they could, and I'd like to thank them too for their help: Steve Harris, Chris Timko, John Theiss, Brad Myers, KC Hippie and his playing group helped haul some debris as they played through 10 - 11, some other random golfers helped haul stuff too and I apologize for not getting their names. 

I hope everyone will enjoy and appreciate the hard work it took to accomplish rebuilding the stairs and cleaning up the park the best we could in one day, and give these people thanks they all deserve it!

Now if they can just get this course mowed before next weekend it's going to look pretty good.

Thanks again for all the hard work!


Thanks to everyone who helped out yesterday—Terry Adams, Jed Neenan, Jamie Barrie, Dan Cashen, Mike Keizer, Jim Kreeger, Becky Stebbins, Jon Stebbins, Aaron Johnson, Ken Hosteter, Bruch Wehling, Graham Long, Rick Rothstein. (I hope I didn't miss anyone who actually helped.) We moved lots of deadwood, removed low hanging branches to facilitate mowing, removed weeds and saplings growing at the base of tree trunks, removed the mud from Terrapin Station, weed ate tee and basket areas, and chipped several greens (or I think a crew was still going strong when I left at 3). The Wide Open's featured course should be looking great after it gets mowed tomorrow or Tuesday. Nice job everyone!


WYCO / Re: May 23 League???
« on: May 30, 2008, 04:31:41 PM »
i think rick is finally getting this smack talk thing down.

and  how to avoid work at the same time!

Club Archives / Re: 2008 KC Wide Open
« on: May 30, 2008, 04:29:54 PM »
Thanks DAVETV81 for the quick reply.  My question is one of semantics.  I guess I don't know what an "advanced men" is.  I know what "advanced amature" is as well as "advanced masters", but I always thought that advanced masters were also "advanced men."

So, for simplicity sake (cause I'm pretty darn simple), in what pool are the advanced masters?

Your confusion is understandable. We have two broad categories: pros and ams. Ams division include advanced (men and women), advanced masters (men and women), intermediate (men and women), etc. Thus, when the schedule says "advanced men," that's means men who are playing in the men's advanced amateur division. All other amateurs (adv women, adv masters, adv gms, interm men, interm. women are in pool D. Thus, I'm confirming what Dave wrote.

BTW, check in is on Thursday at Blue Valley from 12-8. Also, some pros (Brian Schweberger and perhaps Jay and Des Reading) are putting on a clinic at Blue Valley on Thursday in the afternoon. More on this will be forthcoming. I believe it starts around 4, but that needs verification.


WYCO / Re: May 23 League???
« on: May 30, 2008, 04:19:08 PM »
Any stats for league on the 23rd? Last week...

Just checking to see how much I stand to make tonight on an ace!!  ;D

Based on the relative  humidity, wind speed, temperature, and your history of earnings, my Nostradamus says zilch. But please, prove me wrong, and buy good beer to celebrate.


So... maybe by the end of the day, all courses will be in their appropriate layout for the KCWO?

Terry Adams was doing WW this morning. I suspect he's done. You coming out tomorrow and lending a hand Fred? I hear there's some Karmic return from working on the course that lowers scores.

1. Long
2. Right (by bush)
3. Middle (on rd)
4. Long right
5. Long  right
6. Around the bend
7. Original (left)
8. Short
9. The one with the nice green
10. Long left
11. Far right
12. Original (over the rise to the left)
13. Long left
14. Longest
15. Leftest
16. Longest (and the down tree is now gone)
17. Long right (peninsula)
18. Original (long right)

In the 6250 foot range.

Club Archives / Re: Fund Raising
« on: May 28, 2008, 04:02:05 PM »
What are the constraints of a video production team at the KCWO?

From what I heard, the Marshall Street event lost money and that played a factor in the dissolution of the partnership of Jason Southwick and Steve Dodge, wo used to run the MS Championships (it's not happening this year) and the Marshall Stree Disc Golf web site. (Steve's new website is  Prime Discs.) As a rule,  most DG videos don't make much money, especially if they don't scrimp on production values.

Sly, do you have the skill and experience in making videos and making them profitable or perhaps know of a person or company who might be willing to take a gamble on disc golf?  It might be a bit late for the Wide Open, but there will be a definite opportunity for the Worlds next year. The biggest constraint right now is not having a production team in place.


Several people will be meeting at Water Works on Saturday morning starting at 8 p.m. to bring the course into readiness for the Wide Open. One of the main tasks is to get rid of as much of the deadwood that is peppering the course. Some chipping might need to be done as well. If you have some time, please lend a hand. If you have time before Saturday, please start removing the dead wood. Either pile it in the lower parking lot, or start making piles that we can pick up on Saturday. The city is supposed to be out there today removing the large down trees.

I'll see what the Club has in terms of shovels, rakes, clippers, etc, but if you have your own tools that you can bring, that would be great.

Lunch and beverages will be provided.

Let me know if you can attend, or just show up! Thanks.


Jack and I met with the Gary Salva, the new director of the KCK/Wyandotte Parks Department, and one request he made of us was photos of the courses—Rosedale Up Top and Down Under and Wyco. This will be a good weekend for Rosedale. Here's the shots he wants:

As just a reminder, please send us any digital photos that you have of players and/or tournaments.
 Both closeups and wide shots would be desirable.



Club Archives / Re: Waterworks
« on: May 12, 2008, 09:41:39 AM »
Having cars park diagonally on both sides of the upper parking lot is the first thing to do. This means a staff person must be there to direct traffic first thing in the morning. The lower parking lot can be opened to accommodate more cars and there is room for a few more cars near the main street entrance. When all these spaces are filled, people start parking on the park road. In the past, we've gotten permission from Farmland to use the parking lot directly across from the Park entrance. Of course, Farmland is now gone, but maybe we can find someone at Cerner (hint! hint!) who can get permission for us to do that again.

Before a massive storm canceled the final nine scheduled for Water Works in 2005, we had a huge crowd there. The traffic, admittedly, was a bit chaotic, with cars parked from the entrance all the way to at least the 18th tee (maybe further), but we managed. It was a vicious storm that came in, which solved the traffic problem as well as canceling the final nine.


Someone asked me this question this weekend, to which I had no answer:

If the final round is going to be at Waterworks, where are spectators going to park, let alone the entire Open field?  We had 70 people at the Mighty Mo this weekend, and there wasn't a lot of space left to park.  Do you park on Main St at the west end of the park and walk in?

Rosedale / Rosedale League 4-30: Doubles!
« on: April 30, 2008, 11:03:40 AM »

John Chapman has been carefully tracking all local scores this year, and by using the PDGA ratings formula has created local ratings for all who have played in leagues or tournaments. We will be using these numbers to determine pools from which partners for best-shot doubles will be drawn. Two divisions are offered: Open and Am. Open will play for cash, while ams will play for KC Kash. Both divisions will be seeded by local ratings to form two groups, from which teams will be made.

REGISTRATION CLOSES AT 5:45. You may call 816.914.0094 or 816.547.6148 if you are running late, but you must be there by 5:55 to draw partners. As we are not allowing any single (California) teams, we are reserving the right to disallow any late registrants (after 5:45) to play.

One of the prettiest spots in Kansas City in the early morning is the Swope Park Disc Golf Course. Although cool, the weather for the Swope Spring Renewal Pairs Championships was beautiful with party cloudy skies and generally light winds. All told, 110 players competed in a variety of divisions, including the Corporate Challenge men's and women's divisions as those players tuned up for their Corporate Challenge disc golf competition on May 3 & 4.

The competitive highlight of the day was the performance of Otto Spiers (throwing right) and Todd Henry (throwing left) in the open division, where they wrote only 2s on their second round scorecard for a Swope doubles course record of 36. This propelled them to a come-from-behind five-throw win over Fred Fortson and Bobby Villarreal, who nabbed the ace pool by throwing a Star Orc into the chains on his drive on #17.

The 100-Year Division was introduced for the first time in Kansas City. The oldest team (105 years) of Dan Cashen (46) and Rick Rothstein (59) prevailed over the younger teams of Bob Feild and Jim Burcham (102) and Duffy Carduff and Tavish Sanders, a father-daughter duo who just qualified (Duffy at 60 years 11 months and Tavish at 39 years and 7 months).

In the large am division of 19 teams, Jeff Whorton and Tom Mollenkamp won on the strength of a 13-under 41 in the second round for a come-from-behind win over first-round leaders (with Matt Fox and Eric Garberg) Cooper Arnold and Kevin Simpson. The mixed division was taken by the mother-son team of Becky Stebbins and Jon Stebbins. The student division was populated exclusively my members of the Shawnee Mission North Disc Golf Team, with Nick King and Ben Hilleary prevailing over Brian Coons and Zach Watkins.

The Kansas City disc golf community gave a nice welcome and some helpful hints to the Corporate Challenge competitors, most of who were either new to disc golf and/or disc golf competition. Not suprisingly, teams with experienced disc golfers prevailed in the afternoon round with Team Cerner's Chris Timko and Paul Reeter edging Team Kiewit's Tom Butler and Rand Watney. Stacey Clifton and Liz Borg-Bowman from Harley Davidson won the women's division.

Speaking of the Corporate Challenge, we need volunteers for spotting on May 3 (10-5) and May 4 (7-6) when 99 women's teams and 152 men's teams will be playing a round of disc golf at Swope Park as part of the 2008 KC Corporate Challenge. If you can help (even for an hour or two), please call 816.471.3472 or 816.914.0094.


Swope Spring Renewal Pairs Championships            
Swope Park Disc Golf Course • Kansas City, Missouri            
April 26, 2008

1   Todd Henry/Otto Spiers   46   36   82
2   Fred Fortson/Bobby Villarreal   46   41   87
T3   Steve Dresser/Jim Muzic   47   44   91
T3   Terry Adams/Ken Hotstetler   47   44   91
5   Elza Gott/Justin Starks   49   43   92
T6   John Chapman/Brad Merys   48   45   93
T6   Brian Aylward/Terry Euston   45   48   93
8   Paul Eklund/Steve Harris   52   43   95
100-Year Division            
1   Dan Cashen/Rick Rothstein   51   47   98
2   Jim Burchan/Bob Field   57   53   110
3   Duffy Carduff/Tavish Carduff   57   54   111
1   Jeff Whorton/Tom Mollenkamp   49   41   90
2   Cooper Arnold/Kevin Simpson   48   45   93
3   Aaron Johnson/Bruce Wehling   50   44   94
4   Travis Berndt/Brett Boyer   51   44   95
5   Matt Fox/Eric Garberg   48   48   96
6   Bill Neenan/Brian Neenan   53   45   98
7   Tim Becks/Mio Sillings   50   49   99
T8   Tim Noicky/Kyle Dudley   52   48   100
T8   John Riley/Caleb Walker   49   51   100
10   Aaron Gabrielse/Stephen Gunn   54   47   101
11   Dennis Freeman/Jim Sherwood   50   52   102
12   Nick Menses/Phil Brandt   55   48   103
13   Brian Palmer/House   54   50   104
T14   Tim Cox/Chad Ware   53   52   105
T14   Elliot Hicks/Frosty Hickes   54   51   105
16   Andre LaBruyere/Dylan Thomas   56   53   109
17   Craig Workman/Eric Handy   60   53   113
18   Travis Roth/Bobby Canfield   61   57   118
19   Kable Butterfield/Jeremy Crossland   63   58   121
1   Becky Stebbins/John Stebbins   57      55      112
T2   Kaylee Kincaid/Mark Nelson   60   56   116
T2   Brent Burgess/Tiffany Ohmes    63      53      116
1   Nick King/Ben Hilleary               65      50      115
2   Brian Coons/Zach Watkins   69   60   129
Corporate Challenge Men - First Round            
1   HNTB Men 1: Travis O'Dell/Walter Bleser   58      58
2   ATK: Peter Hokanson/Tim Coller   62      62
3   HNTB Men 2: Wes Owen/Jeff Simon   70      70
Corporate Challenge Men - Second Round            
1   Cerner: Chris Timko/Paul Reeter      44   44
2   Kiewit: Tom Butler/Rand Watney      46   46
T3   HNTB: Travis Odell/Leslie Palmer      54   54
T3   ATK: Peter Hokanson/Tim Coller      54   54
5   DST: Steve Reed Bill Jones         59   59
Corporate Challenge Women - First Round            
1   Harley-Davidson:Liz Borg-Bowan/Stacey Clifton   74      74
2   HNTB Women: Sarah Maun/Sara Henderson   79      79
3   UMB: Karen Brice Susan Davison   90      90
Corporate Challenge Women - Second Round            
1   Harley-Davidson:Liz Borg-Bowan/Stacey Clifton      69   69
2   ATK: Valeria Williams/Kimberly Merchant-Wirtz      70   70
3   H & R Block: Rikki Hannold/Rebecca Stotts      71   71
4   EPA: Patricia Reit/Rebecca Ladewe      76   76
6   DST: Jennifer House      100   100
Ace: Bobby Villarrreal--Round #2, #17, 254'.            

Final Pre-Registration List shows 39 teams. Registration opens at 8:00 and closes at 9:15 at Swope on Satuday, April 26. We've room for 15 more teams.

Call 816.914.0094 for further updates or questions.


Dan Cashen/Rick Rothstein   100
Jim Burchan/Bob Field   100
Craig Workman/Eric Handy   Amateur
Travis Berndt/Brett Boyer   Amateur
Aaron Gabrielse/Stephen Gunn   Amateur
Nick Menses/Phil Brandt   Amateur
Brian Palmer/House   Amateur
Travis Roth/Bobby Canfield   Amateur
Cooper Arnold/Kevin Simpson   Amateur
Tim Noicky/Kyle Dudley   Amateur
Tim Becks/Mio Sillings   Amateur
Jeff Whorton/Tom Mollenkamp   Amateur
Aaron Johnson/Bruce Wehling    Amateur
HNTB Men 1: Travis O'Dell/Walter Bleser   CC Men
HNTB Men 2: Wes Owen/Jeff Simon   CC Men
Harley: Matt Fox/Yalin    CC Men
ATK: Peter Hokanson/Tim Colyer   CC Men
H & R Block: Paul Power/Bryan Allen   CC Men
DST: Steve Reed Bill Jones   cc men   CC Men
DST: Jennifer House/Ron Schroeder   cc men   CC Men
Kiewit: Tom Butler/Rand Watney   CC Men
Cerner: Chris Timko/Paul Reeter   CC Men
Patricia Reit/Rebecca Ladewe   CC Women
HNTB Women: Sarah Maun/Sara Henderson   CC Women
UMB: Karen Brice Susan Davison   CC Women
ATK: Valeria Williams/Kimberly Merchant-Wirtz   CC Women
Harley:Liz Borg-Bowan/Stacey Clifton   CC Women
H & R Block: Rikki Hannold/Rebecca Stotts   CC Women
Brent Burgess/Tiffany Ohmes   Mixed   Mixed
Becky Stebbins/John Stebbins   Mixed   Mixed
Kaylee Kincaid/Mark Nelson   Mixed
Steve Dresser/Jim Muzic   Open
Elza Gott/Justin Starks   Open
Terry Adams/Ken Hotstetler   Open
Paul Eklund/Steve Harris   Open
John Chapman/Brad Merys   Open
Todd Henry/Otto Spiers   Open
Nick King/Ben Hilleary   Student
Brian Coons/Zach Watkins   Student

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