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General => General Banter => Topic started by: Kevin Montgomery on February 25, 2014, 09:56:03 AM

Title: Squids?
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on February 25, 2014, 09:56:03 AM
http://discgolfaddiction.com/sell-my-disc-go-to-jail/ (http://discgolfaddiction.com/sell-my-disc-go-to-jail/)

I know there are some opinions on this out there. It has come up before. But in a situation where many, many discs are left in a pond due to an inability to go in and get it immediately and entering the pond being illegal to begin with why should "squids" get away with taking discs lost in this way? Especially if there is a plan in place to periodically clean out the pond legally with the intention of lawfully returning the lost discs. Involving the law, right or wrong? Discuss....
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: matty on February 25, 2014, 12:13:33 PM
Most ponds say no swimming or fishing...squids are harvesting and providing a public service cuz the signs dont stop me; its the pond scum. However it is your property and I think you have a right to get it back if you see it...got to boycott the sellers
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: Mike Hyzer on February 25, 2014, 12:37:35 PM
The cops are wrong. I agree it's a sh1tty thing to do but show me the law.
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: The Nailer™ on February 25, 2014, 02:45:53 PM
"There's no dress code..."  I LOVE THAT COMMENT!!!!!
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: Fish on February 25, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
Did Cubby photoshop the words on that Coke sign in the link? 
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: robm on February 25, 2014, 04:17:25 PM
The cops are wrong. I agree it's a sh1tty thing to do but show me the law.

Hey Mike - we haven't had a discussion lately.  Hope things are going well.


Keep in mind this article is about a specific course in FL.

Looks like a commentor from that article found the law you were looking for.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/705.102 (http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/705.102)

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705.102 Reporting lost or abandoned property.—(1) Whenever any person finds any lost or abandoned property, such person shall report the description and location of the property to a law enforcement officer.
(2) The law enforcement officer taking the report shall ascertain whether the person reporting the property wishes to make a claim to it if the rightful owner cannot be identified or located. If the person does wish to make such claim, he or she shall deposit with the law enforcement agency a reasonable sum sufficient to cover the agency’s cost for transportation, storage, and publication of notice. This sum shall be reimbursed to the finder by the rightful owner should he or she identify and reclaim the property.
(3) It is unlawful for any person who finds any lost or abandoned property to appropriate the same to his or her own use or to refuse to deliver the same when required.
(4) Any person who unlawfully appropriates such lost or abandoned property to his or her own use or refuses to deliver such property when required commits theft as defined in s. 812.014, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: robm on February 25, 2014, 04:23:34 PM
Missouri laws:

Second hit on google - pretty easy to find.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c447.htm (http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c447.htm)

Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: robm on February 25, 2014, 04:34:03 PM
Kanas took a little longer to find. 

I think this is probably applicable.

http://www.kslegislature.org/li_2012/b2011_12/statute/021_000_0000_chapter/021_058_0000_article/021_058_0002_section/021_058_0002_k/ (http://www.kslegislature.org/li_2012/b2011_12/statute/021_000_0000_chapter/021_058_0000_article/021_058_0002_section/021_058_0002_k/)

http://www.kansascitycriminaldefenselawyer.com/criminal-offenses/ (http://www.kansascitycriminaldefenselawyer.com/criminal-offenses/)

1 yr jail!

Here's some more information but has mostly to do with liquid assets.

http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_58/Article_39/ (http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_58/Article_39/)

And of course you need to get wiki involved

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost,_mislaid,_and_abandoned_property (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost,_mislaid,_and_abandoned_property)

Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: Mike Hyzer on February 25, 2014, 05:26:02 PM
The cops are wrong. I agree it's a sh1tty thing to do but show me the law.

Hey Mike - we haven't had a discussion lately.  Hope things are going well.


Keep in mind this article is about a specific course in FL.

Looks like a commentor from that article found the law you were looking for.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/705.102 (http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/705.102)

Quote
705.102 Reporting lost or abandoned property.—(1) Whenever any person finds any lost or abandoned property, such person shall report the description and location of the property to a law enforcement officer.
(2) The law enforcement officer taking the report shall ascertain whether the person reporting the property wishes to make a claim to it if the rightful owner cannot be identified or located. If the person does wish to make such claim, he or she shall deposit with the law enforcement agency a reasonable sum sufficient to cover the agency’s cost for transportation, storage, and publication of notice. This sum shall be reimbursed to the finder by the rightful owner should he or she identify and reclaim the property.
(3) It is unlawful for any person who finds any lost or abandoned property to appropriate the same to his or her own use or to refuse to deliver the same when required.
(4) Any person who unlawfully appropriates such lost or abandoned property to his or her own use or refuses to deliver such property when required commits theft as defined in s. 812.014, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Mike Hyzer was wrong. Stealing discs that people were too lazy or too unresourceful to recover is a sh1tty thing to do, and Rob M has shown me the law.
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: bensdadfred on February 25, 2014, 07:40:12 PM
Don't throw your disc somewhere where you cannot retrieve it. If you do, its on you.. IMO.. I left a pop can at ww, it has my fingerprints on it that are exclusive to me alone. I want whoever took it to go to jail! This is f@cking ridiculous

Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: robm on February 25, 2014, 09:17:27 PM
Geez guys. This is about as enforceable as doing 72 in a 65 at 5:10 pm. Do what you think is the right thing to do. For me, I call the owner two times. If they don't come and get it, it's mine.
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: Mike Hyzer on February 26, 2014, 10:27:51 AM
Geez guys. This is about as enforceable as doing 72 in a 65 at 5:10 pm. Do what you think is the right thing to do. For me, I call the owner two times. If they don't come and get it, it's mine.

That's why it's ridiculous that the state would have a say in the matter at all. Seriously, anyone who calls the cops over a golf disc is a bigger d-bag than those who don't try to turn in the lost discs they find.
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: otter on February 26, 2014, 11:10:16 AM
Well said, Hyzer.

Frankly, if I leave a disc behind for whatever reason, whether or not I'm allowed/not-allowed to retrieve it...I don't expect to ever see it again.  C'est la vie.

Can only think of one disc in my bag that I might shed a tear = a '98 Roc that I have absolutely no replacement for...none in my bag or archives are even close to being as understable.


This whole debacle revolves around trespassing...into a body of water w/o the P&R's permission.
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: robm on February 26, 2014, 11:31:42 AM
This whole debacle revolves around trespassing...into a body of water w/o the P&R's permission.

BINGO!  We have a winner!

Honestly - I don't care much about the 'do I call or don't I' and 'you left it, you abandoned it' threads.  It's like politics.  Endless arguing and no position changes every made.

I just had a need to find the law beause Hyzer was asking for it.

Mike - you owe me another Busch Light.
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: slimneal on February 26, 2014, 01:20:28 PM
And there is this    http://www.cultofmac.com/233185/the-tile-finally-gets-device-tagging-and-tracking-right/ (http://www.cultofmac.com/233185/the-tile-finally-gets-device-tagging-and-tracking-right/)

I really don't get the waste of time and energy and gas trying to get a 10-20 dollar disc back.
Unless you know the person and hold it for them for a later date.
The mere mention of getting law enforcement involved makes me cringe. Waste of taxpayers money for your errant throw.

No doubt that the tile in the link will be built into discs in the future. Look at what glow lights have become.

It is OK to like your disc and take them out on dates, maybe even develop a bonding relationship.
Just don't marry them, they will always leave you. Unless you hang them on your wall.
Even that is no guarantee.

Bring on some Spring, Jonesing pretty bad here.

Philosophy of Slim
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: jamidanger on February 26, 2014, 02:00:58 PM
god bless the 'squids' or anyone else with the bravado to recover discs, legally or not. these heroes of our game greatly increase a players opportunity to get back that which was lost or forgotten.
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: otter on February 26, 2014, 02:05:19 PM
god bless the 'squids' or anyone else with the bravado to recover discs, legally or not. these heroes of our game greatly increase a players opportunity to get back that which was lost or forgotten.

...and squids DESERVE a retrieval fee.  AND, IFF the owner does not wish to pay this, I think the squid should just simply throw their disc back into said body of water.
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: quinnie on February 26, 2014, 02:28:32 PM

...and squids DESERVE a retrieval fee.  AND, IFF the owner does not wish to pay this, I think the squid should just simply throw their disc back into said body of water.
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Agreed.  But what is the fee?
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on February 26, 2014, 02:41:23 PM
And there is this    http://www.cultofmac.com/233185/the-tile-finally-gets-device-tagging-and-tracking-right/ (http://www.cultofmac.com/233185/the-tile-finally-gets-device-tagging-and-tracking-right/)


Lol... are they waterproof? I can see lots of applications for this thing but discs aren't one of them.

 I lost two of my favorite discs at a tourney last fall and didn't even look all that hard for them. Jim speaks wisely....  It's a piece of plastic.   ::)  But i do feel like it may be a bigger issue when someone is dealing in lost discs on a wholesale level rather than attempting to return the ones that are clearly marked. Onesy, twosy... meh... but dozens from the same public pond while trespassing in said pond on a regular basis?   >:(
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: otter on February 26, 2014, 02:52:35 PM

Agreed.  But what is the fee?
 

How about $2-4...?  (My '98 DX Roc would be worth $10 easy...to me)

Hell, there's a certain amount of sadistic pleasure in throwing someone's disc BACK...and, well, these squids are already into perversive acts.  :-X
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on February 26, 2014, 03:06:04 PM
I've happily paid retrieval fees before. Especially at Frontier Park in Hays. One year there was a teenage girl who always seemed to be nearby when someone put one in. She must have made $40-$50 that day one or two bucks at a time. Now that's the way you do it.

Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: jamidanger on February 26, 2014, 03:06:16 PM
negotiating tip #1 - act naïve and thrifty, never let the squid know whose disc you wish to buy.
bonus tip - say you'll give him one dollar for one throw, who's the sucka now squid!
courtesy tip - always thank the squid for his ongoing good deeds!
Title: Re: Squids?
Post by: robm on February 26, 2014, 04:13:10 PM
I believe squid is such a derogatory term and wish you would stop.

Please, call them Cephalopods or ROUDs (Rescuers of Underwater Discs).

Thank you.