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Title: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: Flying J on April 21, 2014, 05:13:02 PM
Who is Chris Dickerson?  He finished 3rd at Bowling Green and has a rating of 992.

This disc golfer is PDGA #62467 and has only competed in two tournaments:

1. Shootout at the Deer where he won Advanced by 8 throws with rounds rated 1015 and 999.

2. Knoxville Icebowl where he finished 4th in Open (only 4 throws behind Will Schusterick) with rounds rated 982 and 968, dropping his rating to 992.  Turned down cash.

Don't know where this guy came from but he is only an Amateur through turning down cash.  Even his PDGA page lists him as Professional (due to his then 1007 rating). 

His PDGA # screams noob, but this guy has been playing for a long time.  He is playing Advanced in the upcoming Carolina Clash, undoubtedly so he can play Am Worlds.

He's already making a running for ROY 2015.   Lame.
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: kidmills on April 21, 2014, 08:39:39 PM
always a lot of baggers at bowling green
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: SteelerDoug on April 21, 2014, 09:03:06 PM
always a lot of baggers at bowling green

Not just Bowling Green Kidmills.

The Memorial, City of Fountains  ;), US Masters, and GBO to name a few.

Like a famous bagger once said, "Because I can..."
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: jack on April 22, 2014, 01:53:51 PM
Who is Chris Dickerson?  .....Don't know where this guy came from but he is only an Amateur through turning down cash.  Even his PDGA page lists him as Professional (due to his then 1007 rating). 

His PDGA # screams noob, but this guy has been playing for a long time.  He is playing Advanced in the upcoming Carolina Clash, undoubtedly so he can play Am Worlds.

He's already making a running for ROY 2015.   Lame.

Not true.  You can be a 1050 rated Am.  There is not any reference point that you MUST become a pro.

http://www.pdga.com/files/2014%20PlayerDivisionGrid.pdf (http://www.pdga.com/files/2014%20PlayerDivisionGrid.pdf)

There is an unwritten rule that anyone over 970 should go pro.   But the idea that 990 rated Ams are out there is very true.  I think that Wiggins in 2009 here was close to 1000 rated when he played Am, he had played I think almost all Pro events that year and turned down cash.  There is nothing I REPEAT NOTHING wrong with an Am player keeping themselves there until they are ready. 

Overall if you select to play in PDGA, and just joined, win some and then go pro if you want to.  The fact that they just joined could be an indication they are ready to play competitively now and they weren't before.  Or someone got them to join.  I didn't join the PDGA until 1999.  I had at that point been playing for 15 yrs, I had played in a handful of PDGA events, I just didn't see the need.....now I am sure that I wasn't a 1000 rated golfer either! ;D :o

it's all good.  Just be happy you don't have him as competition to your level yet, right?
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: Ken Franks on April 23, 2014, 08:13:48 PM

    There is nothing I REPEAT NOTHING wrong with an Am player keeping themselves there until they are ready. 

 Says Ron Kleins Am baggin brutha!
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: SteelerDoug on April 24, 2014, 01:44:19 PM
    There is nothing I REPEAT NOTHING wrong with an Am player keeping themselves there until they are ready. 
Says Ron Kleins Am baggin brutha!

Ron Klein #6950. That's a pretty "low" number.  What's he a'waitin for Jack?
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: Steve the Quiz Berry on April 24, 2014, 10:40:14 PM
  :PRon Klein....has..so much plastic..Dynamic DISCS ..uses..him as a Major supplyer.
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: jamidanger on April 25, 2014, 06:58:56 AM
I was at price chopper buying flour and sugar, and when I was checking out they asked me if I wanted that put in paper, plastic or klein-mo.
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: bensdadfred on April 25, 2014, 09:15:11 AM
    There is nothing I REPEAT NOTHING wrong with an Am player keeping themselves there until they are ready. 
Says Ron Kleins Am baggin brutha!

Ron Klein #6950. That's a pretty "low" number.  What's he a'waitin for Jack?
Waiting? ?  He's already been a pro and back to am. I think it's just easier in the am division to double talk someone out of their best plastic.. Pro's seem to have a knack for seeing that coming!
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: thankyoupeter on April 26, 2014, 07:28:21 PM

His PDGA # screams noob, but this guy has been playing for a long time.  He is playing Advanced in the upcoming Carolina Clash, undoubtedly so he can play Am Worlds.


You're never going to guess who's leading the Carolina Clash Ams by 8 strokes after 2 rounds. 
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: Flying J on April 27, 2014, 06:23:53 PM
Chris Dickerson won by six.  What a bagger.
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: The Nailer™ on April 28, 2014, 10:45:44 PM
Maybe he is in the WITSEC program...
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green? Tri-fect-a of Baggin
Post by: SteelerDoug on May 05, 2014, 10:31:32 AM
Chris Dickerson won by six.  What a bagger.

What takes the cake and icing is the top three finishers @GBO winning by ten strokes over 4th place.

Advanced Grandmasters (33)
                                   
Place   Name         PDGA#RatingPar  Rd1         Rd2         Rd3      Total   Prize
1   Tom Butler      22969   936   -3   65   969   58   975   61   960   184   $200
2   Ron Robertson 16479   949   -1   65   969   63   929   58   986   186   $150
2   Scott Wittman 18637   936   -1   65   969   58   975   63   942   186   $150

4   Greg Cox        40607   912   +9   68   946   62   938   66   916   196   $115
5   Dan Zink        23077   918   +14   68   946   67   891   66   916   201   $110
6   Charles Chung38293   903   +16   70   930   65   910   68   899   203   $100

7   Phillip Green    48444   902   +18   74   900   66   901   65   925   205   

Definition of PRO Grandmasters according to PDGA.

Grandmaster - available to players who will be 50 years of age or older during the current year. Seasoned veterans who throw 250-350 feet, make 5-8/10 putts from 25-30 feet, have good shot variety. Ratings Guideline: 900+ Score range: <61

Definition of AM Grandmaster according to PDGA.

Advanced Grandmaster – available to players who will be 50 years of age or older during the current year.

If that's not "Your" definition of sandbagging Tom, then what is it?  ;)
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: gleauzzzinier on May 05, 2014, 08:16:05 PM
wow. sounds like someone averaged 898 and came home with a load of sour grapes!
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green? Tri-fect-a of Baggin
Post by: thankyoupeter on May 05, 2014, 08:59:24 PM

Definition of PRO Grandmasters according to PDGA.

Grandmaster - available to players who will be 50 years of age or older during the current year. Seasoned veterans who throw 250-350 feet, make 5-8/10 putts from 25-30 feet, have good shot variety. Ratings Guideline: 900+ Score range: <61

Definition of AM Grandmaster according to PDGA.

Advanced Grandmaster – available to players who will be 50 years of age or older during the current year.

If that's not "Your" definition of sandbagging Tom, then what is it?  ;)

So, your argument is anyone rated over 900 played Am Grandmaster is a bagger? 
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: Steve the Quiz Berry on May 05, 2014, 10:28:30 PM
 : ???.
.......
In 2012..The PDGA ..shows Tom Butler playing two tourneys in the Pro division...and receiving 40 dollars cash?.. I thought once you receive a cash payout...you could not play amateur anymore..?
Can someone explain this rule?
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: dickthediscparker on May 06, 2014, 07:50:17 AM
That only refers to Major events. Once you take cash in a Pro division you can not play Major Am events. So no Pro Am Worlds basically. Other than that, as long as your rating is low enough, you can play all the Am events you want.
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: Steve the Quiz Berry on May 06, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
 :o. Thank you Mr. Parker for explaining that.
Was thinking he could have been disc qualified for GBO win...and Steelers Doug..could of claimed..13th place or som..And theewhere in there.
But looking at Steelers Doug's score...He would have been..64th place in the intermediate division..?
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: tallguy007kc on May 06, 2014, 02:22:17 PM
:o. Thank you Mr. Parker for explaining that.
Was thinking he could have been disc qualified for GBO win...and Steelers Doug..could of claimed..13th place or som..And theewhere in there.
But looking at Steelers Doug's score...He would have been..64th place in the intermediate division..?

Steeler Doug got plenty of practice with his forehand the last two days of GBO, due to him thinking he was the second (older) coming of Wysocki, and ripping his throwing shoulder apart.
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: Tracy on May 07, 2014, 09:35:07 AM
That only refers to Major events. Once you take cash in a Pro division you can not play Major Am events. So no Pro Am Worlds basically. Other than that, as long as your rating is low enough, you can play all the Am events you want.

see http://www.pdga.com/rules/competition-manual/section-2-division-qualifications/23-reclassification (http://www.pdga.com/rules/competition-manual/section-2-division-qualifications/23-reclassification)

An Amateur player is automatically re-classified as Professional when the player has accepted cash while competing in a Professional division. Accepting prizes in lieu of cash payout or accepting money for winning an ancillary contest such as an ace pool, top-of-the-card round prize, or CTP contest does not cause a player to relinquish his or her amateur status.

As far as Tom and that $40 in Pro goes, you'd have to ask him if he accepted cash or prizes there.  I'd hazard to guess it was prizes as he is quite aware of the rules around Pro vs Am classification.

You may not Play in AM Majors as a "Pro Playing as AM" per http://www.pdga.com/files/2014%20PDGA%20Tour%20Standards.pdf (http://www.pdga.com/files/2014%20PDGA%20Tour%20Standards.pdf)
Title: Re: Baggin' it up at Bowling Green?
Post by: Tom on May 14, 2014, 04:53:58 PM
Yeh, I never took cash in a PDGA event. The PDGA verified that before my Worlds registration was accepted last year.