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Title: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: john theiss on March 08, 2015, 08:19:41 PM
I am making a list to send over to the parks department tomorrow morning.  I would like to get a list of things that folks see that need to be worked on.  I know folks want benches and more trash cans... but i am thinking items for workdays ie  cleaning up brush here or there, pushing back woods in this area etc.

What do you  want to see improved? 

The parks would like a punch list and I have several things, but i want to know what others are seeing that i might be missing.

thanks,

John
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: SteelerDoug on March 08, 2015, 09:04:33 PM
Maybe some kinda way to make maps available at hole one since there is no way for first timers to follow the course? 
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on March 09, 2015, 09:39:33 AM
we could get a lot of brush and logs loaded up in my 4x4 and move them to the burn pile?? then kick back and make some smores
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: jhinck2 on March 09, 2015, 10:29:53 AM
A few things:

Hole #1 - clear up the line to the left placement.  The ceiling is too low IMHO to even consider going that way at this time.
Hole #6 - downed trees/brush in fairway needs to be cleaned up.  That's a broken ankle/lawsuit waiting to happen down in there!
Hole #14 - mando sign on the big tree so yahoos don't try and cheat the horseshoe approach?  I.E. Blue Valley hole #9
Hole #15 - retaining wall behind the teepad? 
Hole #17 - can they move the tee sign to another location?  When playing to the right placement in the woods, that tee sign on the short pad is in the line of fire for the average/casual player and is a distraction for the professional player off the long pad. 
Grass OB - the flags will only stay as long as people are honest and don't pull them.  How long does spraypaint last to define the OB on holes like 3, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14, 17 & 18?  This is really a tournament question, but something to think about because it isn't defined for casual play very well (if the intent is to define for casual play as well).
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: Disc Demon on March 09, 2015, 08:20:15 PM
Hole #1- There needs to be a fence or wall to keep discs from rolling into the pond.
Hole #2-  A large deck needs to be built on the pond, for parties and to save discs
Hole #3- The tee pad needs to be raised at least 20 feet and the trees need trimmed
Hole #7- All trees need to be cut down in the fairway
Hole #9-  See hole 7
Hole #12- See hole 7
Hole #15-  Large tubes need to be assembled on each line that will take the disc to the basket. The fork in the road could add to the excitement.
Hole #16- same as 15, but just one easy to assemble tube.

Next time I run into Ted with Liberty parks I will hit him up with a few of these issues.   Ted is a player, I ran into him at Jesse James a month or so back, i think he plays regularly. 
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on March 10, 2015, 08:29:05 AM
Hole #1- There needs to be a fence or wall to keep discs from rolling into the pond.
Hole #2-  A large deck needs to be built on the pond, for parties and to save discs
Hole #3- The tee pad needs to be raised at least 20 feet and the trees need trimmed
Hole #7- All trees need to be cut down in the fairway
Hole #9-  See hole 7
Hole #12- See hole 7
Hole #15-  Large tubes need to be assembled on each line that will take the disc to the basket. The fork in the road could add to the excitement.
Hole #16- same as 15, but just one easy to assemble tube.

LMAO.... we could just drain the ponds NAILER style :)
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: jhinck2 on March 10, 2015, 08:46:02 AM
Or we could give productive comments/concerns like John was asking for instead of starting yet another thread drift for three pages that gets nothing accomplished. 
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: BenC on March 10, 2015, 10:50:59 AM
Hole 14, I think, the hole with the big bush to the left that obscures the bike trail.

A couple warning signs.  One by the tee pad, post spotter.  One up the trail, beware of disc flying at high rates of speed that will knock you off your bike.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: jhinck2 on March 10, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Hole 14, I think, the hole with the big bush to the left that obscures the bike trail.

A couple warning signs.  One by the tee pad, post spotter.  One up the trail, beware of disc flying at high rates of speed that will knock you off your bike.

It's hole 15.  I agree with Ben completely here.  We almost had a man down when I was out there awhile back.  Biker came flying in as CD was teeing off. 
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: SteelerDoug on March 10, 2015, 11:47:15 AM
Yes. You can drain THIS pond. I will allow it.  ;)
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: The Nailerâ„¢ on March 10, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
The pond at PC needs to be drained too.  Before the spring showers.   Those will fill it up. 
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: john theiss on March 10, 2015, 01:31:47 PM
I could use some type of disc retriever but the deck seems like a poor idea since park is supposed to be dry.  Hard to sit on a deck and party with out adult beverages.


Funny stuff though about the wooded holes.  You must love some open hole golf?  That Ted guy is one wild and crazy guy.  Is he a temp/seasonal worker?  Or are you talking about Tom who loves to throw old beat up dog chewed on discs? 
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Hole #1- There needs to be a fence or wall to keep discs from rolling into the pond.
Hole #2-  A large deck needs to be built on the pond, for parties and to save discs

Hole #7- All trees need to be cut down in the fairway
Hole #9-  See hole 7
Hole #12- See hole 7
Hole #15-  Large tubes need to be assembled on each line that will take the disc to the basket. The fork in the road could add to the excitement.
Hole #16- same as 15, but just one easy to assemble tube.

Next time I run into Ted with Liberty parks I will hit him up with a few of these issues.   Ted is a player, I ran into him at Jesse James a month or so back, i think he plays regularly.

Hole 14 you are correct about the wooded overgrowth on left of the tee.  They really do need to be cleaned up some and get some of the overgrowth out to open up some sight lines.  It is a little hard to see if someone is bombing through there.  That is a great point.  Thanks Ben. 

Disc Demon,  i think i met you the other day.  You really a funny guy and that was a fun round.... no matter how many times you threw into the ponds.  I hope we can get out and throw some more holes soon.   
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: Crispian on March 10, 2015, 06:28:21 PM
Perhaps get with Nate Zier and Patrick Smith. Patrick is an at large board member and in his day to day life a very successful construction industry project manager and just last night asked Pete Cashen and Nate Zier to get with course coordinators and get lists of improvements and he will do what he is really good at, which is making stuff happen. Just a thought.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: Disc Demon on March 10, 2015, 09:39:23 PM


Funny stuff though about the wooded holes.  You must love some open hole golf?  That Ted guy is one wild and crazy guy.  Is he a temp/seasonal worker?  Or are you talking about Tom who loves to throw old beat up dog chewed on discs? 


Disc Demon,  i think i met you the other day.  You really a funny guy and that was a fun round.... no matter how many times you threw into the ponds.  I hope we can get out and throw some more holes soon.   
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Haha yea dude that was some wicked fun man.  Dude those ponds are like pac man, gobbling up my discs.   I will get em back when it warms up.  If i get a few 211's in me I may hit it this weekend.

So dudes name is Tom.  I swear on multiple occasions he as said his name was ted.  Short dude with Goatee?  He looks like a Ted.  Well, next time I see "TOM"  I will ask him about some of these issues.  He seems on top of things.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on March 11, 2015, 07:50:52 AM
I was out there last night and a few holes are accumulating trash piles near the tee pads. I will be picking up the trash and encouraging others to do so tonight at league.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: john theiss on March 13, 2015, 01:31:09 PM
Park workers knocked a bunch of the list as far as cleaning up brush this week.  We have a couple pins to be installed in near future- 10 to the left in tree line and 16 to the right in tree line.

thanks for the input.   i compiled everyone's emails and sent them over to the park department.  Disc Demon had a very detailed list as well that he PM'd me.  He also mentioned that he had thought he found a park workers disc so maybe Disc Demon can post the name.  I know that a couple of the park guys periodically check the website.

thanks to Nick and Tom and the other park workers for working so hard out there.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: tmattoon on March 18, 2015, 02:50:59 PM
I really like the mando on 14 and doing something about 17's short tee sign ideas. I also can't tell exactly where the ob on 10 starts. It probably be kind of hard but a flag or pole on top of 3/8's gold basket would be cool. Unless you want it to be harder because you can't tell where you want to through. If thats the case then its working great.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on March 18, 2015, 03:00:09 PM
pole on top of 3/8 gold would be nice along with 16 gold. also need a post to mark the mando on 10. hopefully I can get the course marked soon for league nights. I am going to try to discuss this tonight at the LD meeting.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: john theiss on March 18, 2015, 03:42:02 PM
Great ideas.  Thanks.  The park guys will hopefully see some of your recommendations for future improvements.  I believe some benches are in the works.

There was talk of flags for some of the baskets.  not sure where that stands.  Not all the baskets(wood holes) need flags and i hope that we could get some flags for the open holes. 

#10 i was hoping to talk to the main mower named Reno.  I want him to leave me a tall strip of  grass to the right running the length of the fairway shaped like a question mark ?  for lack of better term.  leaving more area around the basket to be open and then be less area along the top of the hill where it flattens out.   i will try to get some flags put out once they do their first cut on the soccer field to mark what not to mow.  This ideas works better than an OB mando.

OB areas of grass- i have asked for a different type of seed to be planted out there to help delineate the OB.  When the fescue goes  dormant it bends over and it is hard to identify OB.  I want to get more of the broomsedge bloomstem that is currently on several holes out there for OB.  Plus the broomsedge is beautiful in the fall, winter and spring.  Even in the summer when it changes colors back it is not too tall and obnoxious to find your disc in. 

# 8 and #10 OB tall grass- i designed it to be an OB hazard that you play your lie from were it lands OB .  this way if you go for the big shot off the tee, there is a chance that if you go OB, you can make your putt to save par.  Despite what the par says, those holes are not a par 4.  Many pro players playing a gold hole that is under 500 can reach close enough to birdie  the hole.  #10,  unfortunately the wind can be a head wind so it is not as forgiving, but #8 is set up a big turnover and  with a lt to rt wind push. also this type of OB ruling will  speed up  play  since folks may not know if they go OB off the tee.  those holes are designed for just the few in town that throw 450+.  But i have talked to some who do and i know that they have reached those pins on both baskets. Those are gold holes and there should be gold holes that reward bombers and force mortals to lay up. 
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: john theiss on March 19, 2015, 10:56:40 AM
Flags were installed yesterday on gold baskets
3/8 gold
10
14
16
18
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: jhinck2 on March 19, 2015, 11:05:01 AM
NICE!
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on March 19, 2015, 12:42:58 PM
alright looks like we will have to play gold next week at league
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: jhinck2 on March 19, 2015, 02:27:49 PM
Tehehe and it looks like I'll be able to play next week since we have a BYE in softball. 
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: Zier on March 20, 2015, 09:51:23 PM
What time are you hoping to start next week Kujo, 5 or 5:30?
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on March 23, 2015, 06:36:46 AM
probably do rolling start @ 5 and try to get the last card out by 515-520ish
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: rockiesfan4ever on March 29, 2015, 11:06:55 AM
Just a couple of things I've noticed:

There's some barbed wire/rusty wire laying around on a couple of holes (I know hole 4) that should probably be picked up.

Along with the 17 tee sign, is there anyway we could make the short pad tee signs for 5 and 10 closer to the ground? I know they've already been hit multiple times with throws from the long pad.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: john theiss on April 03, 2015, 02:15:02 PM
we planted  trees yesterday on the following holes
#1 -2 locations
#5 -1 location
#10-1 location
#17- 2 locations


they are just saplings but we planted 4-8 trees in a grouping.  they are spraying the grass to kill it off and then mulching a big area around the trees(10x10 foot area).

Most of the trees will likely not survive, but it is a start and when they come across some money for trees we now have some areas marked off with mulch to make the process easier.  There is also talk of planting some tall grasses in front of those locations as well. 

Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on April 03, 2015, 02:37:10 PM
john any idea of when the other placements on 10 and 16 will be in? and if we can do anything else out there to help out let me know. I want to do brush/log pickup starting with holes 3, 6 and 7.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: nscarritt on April 03, 2015, 03:56:00 PM
A few things:

Hole #1 - clear up the line to the left placement.  The ceiling is too low IMHO to even consider going that way at this time.
Hole #6 - downed trees/brush in fairway needs to be cleaned up.  That's a broken ankle/lawsuit waiting to happen down in there!
Hole #14 - mando sign on the big tree so yahoos don't try and cheat the horseshoe approach?  I.E. Blue Valley hole #9
Hole #15 - retaining wall behind the teepad? 
Hole #17 - can they move the tee sign to another location?  When playing to the right placement in the woods, that tee sign on the short pad is in the line of fire for the average/casual player and is a distraction for the professional player off the long pad. 
Grass OB - the flags will only stay as long as people are honest and don't pull them.  How long does spraypaint last to define the OB on holes like 3, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14, 17 & 18?  This is really a tournament question, but something to think about because it isn't defined for casual play very well (if the intent is to define for casual play as well).

For grass OBs... could rip up the grass essentially forming a dirt line?
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: john theiss on April 03, 2015, 07:28:40 PM
10 is in that location currently and 16 was installed as well.  16's basket has not moved into the new location yet.


My goal for grass OB delineation is to have areas of OB to be populated by bluestem sedgrebroom.  That variety of bluestem is found all over the park and is orange right now.  it also stays the same height and that makes disc hunting very easy.   so for casual play it works well and folks can see OB from great distances.

plus the orange fall color is amazing with the backdrop of green grass in fairways.  gives a golf course type feel.

thanks for the comments.  the park does read this page.  they were asking me about things that players were commenting  on  last Wed when we were out digging and planting some 45+ trees.

Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on April 06, 2015, 06:50:12 AM
awesome! I didn't get to make it out there this weekend, excited to play these new settings
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: rockiesfan4ever on April 08, 2015, 01:15:55 PM
Can't wait to play the new settings as well. Thanks for lowering a couple of those tee signs. Now if I hit them then it's really my fault.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on April 08, 2015, 01:45:54 PM
I will be out there early Saturday morning at 7am to pick up downed limbs and brush on the front 9, then getting a round in afterwards, possibly 2 with a break for lunch at Rock & Run. It shouldn't take but an hour or so to finish limb cleanup and start throwing.

Had something come up.wont get out there til 11
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on April 13, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
picked up along holes 1,2,3 and 9. hole 6 was too much to tackle solo
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: jhinck2 on April 13, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
Thanks for your efforts Kujo.  I'm hoping that life slows down sometime soon so I can make it out there to help out.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: brandon21486 on April 13, 2015, 01:33:44 PM
Kujo, you must have been the guy out there cleaning up telling me about the league Saturday morning! Had a good time on half of the course that I got to play and it looks great out there compared to when I had played it last!
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on April 13, 2015, 02:41:25 PM
awesome! thanx man. hopefully she just keeps getting prettier :)
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on May 14, 2015, 08:40:57 AM
the city has a big pile of mulch on hole 9 to spread up the middle, wasn't bad yesterday but im sure its soggy after the rain this morning
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on June 25, 2015, 07:52:05 AM
a large tree is down on the trail between 2's basket and 3's pad. if the city doesn't get to it before Saturday I will get a chainsaw and clear it out. will probably be out there around 7 and play a round afterwards.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on June 29, 2015, 11:27:16 AM
its cut down and walkable but the tree is still down across the trail. hopefully i will find time to cut more when it dries out
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on July 02, 2015, 10:54:42 AM
thank you to whoever cut up the rest of that tree and cleared the trail.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on July 16, 2015, 03:38:21 PM
one thing that doesn't need work is the mowing schedule... this course is hands down the best mowed course in KC. props and much thanks to the Liberty P&R crews.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on May 03, 2016, 05:58:25 AM
we started making a walkway through the muck on hole 11. there is a large pile of busted up concrete there and i encourage everyone to please pick up a chunk or two each time they play and it will be complete in no time. i plan on installing some stairs there soon this spring/summer.

hole 3 and 15 long pads need retaining walls installed to help stop the erosion there. there is a large tree down on 16 in the woods that i think could be cut up and made useful. hopefully soon we can have a workday out here
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: mikep44550 on May 11, 2016, 01:04:09 PM
We really need to get steps built and or a path out of 11 long. I would like to see the entrance of 5 gold cleared. I'm up for a work day.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: jhinck2 on May 11, 2016, 01:47:50 PM
The bushes on hole 5 gold "entrance" are left there for a reason.  You either bomb over it or lay up short. 
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on May 11, 2016, 02:44:57 PM
ya im all for building some steps but as far as clearing areas out....  well just let nature do its thing
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: Nova on May 11, 2016, 02:45:59 PM
Those are the thorniest bushes I have ever seen. The motivation to stay out of them is strong.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on January 12, 2017, 08:20:19 AM
few things on the list for spring 2017:

clean out the rest of the downed limbs on the dam by holes 2 and 3
cut down the honeysuckle on the right side of 6 gold
build steps on hole 11
clean up downed limbs on 16 right side near the blue baskets
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on May 01, 2017, 11:23:40 AM
honeysuckle on 6 has been cleared out.

built a new bridge on 15 only to have people demolish it, I will need a hand sometime to move timber form 2 and 3 over to 15 for a new bridge.

11 still needs steps and possible a foot bridge. I am going to reach out to the local scout troop and see if they need any ideas on spring/summer projects
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: Hypnofist on May 18, 2017, 11:50:00 AM
I'm not sure if this goes here or if I should start a new thread, but I was just out at the course and the storm yesterday knocked down a tree on the path between 2 and 3. It's totally blocking off the trail.
Title: Re: list of areas/things that need work
Post by: EL KUJO on May 22, 2017, 11:40:45 AM
the trail on 2/3 has been cleared out

THANK YOU MIKE PRICE AND CHRIS WALKER!!!!!!!!