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KCFDC Courses => Shawnee Mission => Topic started by: Dirk on May 05, 2008, 04:51:59 PM

Title: Course Improvements
Post by: Dirk on May 05, 2008, 04:51:59 PM
Among the many ongoing improvements at Shawnee Mission you will now find that a new location for hole 6 will soon been placed.

Old Hole 4 has been completely removed to alleviate walking across the road 2 times to play one hole. This also tightens up the walk between holes, all around improvement, everybody wins.

The new hole 4 is the previous hole 5. In other words after hole 3 proceed directly north across the road bypassing old 4.

The new hole 6 Tee is located just to the north side of the path after hole 5 basket, and is shooting towards the basket by the administration building.  You will notice a path not far behind hole 6, this path is O.B. 

The hole 7 tee is now located just north of 6 pin towards the parking lot.

Everything else stays the same. We are going to be putting in tee box markers and working up signs here in the next few weeks.

I will update the map online shortly.

Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Timko on May 06, 2008, 11:45:36 AM
Dirk, could this be done before next Monday?  Bushwhackers will be playing there, so you'll get some test subjects on the new holes.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Dirk on May 09, 2008, 12:30:50 PM
The baskets have been moved to their new homes and I believe they will settle here for quite some time.

I will be placing tee markers in the next week or two.


My biggest concern is the fact that we are not getting adequate support for mowing, but I will address that in a separate thread. This thread should  be about what the club has control of and what we can do to improve the course.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Timko on May 09, 2008, 01:10:43 PM
Distance on the two changed holes?  They look in the 330 range based on the other distances.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: The Can tankerous A.N.G on May 13, 2008, 06:57:32 PM
I played that yesterday, and, thankfully, the person I was with had read this post and knew about the 2 hole changes. It sure was windy out there. It also looks so much different in the spring than last fall and winter when the trees weren't covered in leaves and there wasn't tall grass everywhere.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Timko on May 13, 2008, 10:39:48 PM
The new 6 was eh, the new 7 has some SERIOUS potential if you keep pushing that tee back.  The long pad on that guy is going to be a sick 3; the problem is a lot of people could try to take the lefty route out into #6's fairway.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Dirk on May 15, 2008, 11:27:53 AM
We have the Tee markers ready to place this weekend.

Its me,  18 planks, 36 pieces of rebar and a sledge hammer.

Who wants to help Sunday? call me 816.678.4468

...

the problem is a lot of people could try to take the lefty route out into #6's fairway.

Its a tribute to Swope.

Ahh I kid , I kid

Dick has volunteered to clear out the tunnel fairway that will be another placement on 6, that will eliminate any crossed discs, but I think there is plenty O room regardless. Placement of 7 tee is not set in concrete yet, so to speak, so try variations on a theme.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: dogundertheporch on May 20, 2008, 08:31:43 AM
i was just wandering when the course will get mowed i got some friends coming from out of town and i would hate for them to see the way it looks now and i kinda liked #7 tee box where it was now two fairways #6 and #7 almost go over each other but no matter what i am glad to have a course so close to me
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Timko on May 20, 2008, 11:12:16 AM
Dirk said there are plans for #6 with some of the woods on the right.  Should turn into a pretty good shot.  #7, as I said above, has serious potential.  Nasty par 3 with a low ceiling and OB on the right with a protected green.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: john theiss on May 20, 2008, 12:39:19 PM
Dirk, i would be glad to help you eradicate some the ivy at SMP.  There is so much out there.  i played it on Sunday and was becoming very frustrated.  It is freaking everywhere.  By the end of the summer if nothing gets done, it is going to be very mature.  If you can get some spray, i will start hitting it up this summer when i am off.   i will be glad to do it, especially since it is the closest course to where i live know.  If anyone lives near there and is interested, we can hit up together.

John Theiss
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Dirk on May 20, 2008, 04:57:50 PM
I have asked the parks dept for herbicide so that the club  volunteers can clear out the ivy for the public use of the park.

I will be very grateful for any help getting this done, thanks for offering help, as I am very allergic to the stuff. Anyone else out their not terribly allergic able to come and help??

Holes its really bad on are 8, 12, 13, 14, 18, so keep aware.


Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: gusgotts on May 21, 2008, 12:30:11 PM
I can help with some of the ivy eradication--I think bringing a pump sprayer with some broadleaf herbicide would do wonders.  The parks staff would probably appreciate the effort if anyone whacked and sprayed the musk thistle (looks kind of like dandelion, but has much gnarlier leaves and can grow to 6'--if you have it on your property, KS law requires that you eliminate it as a noxious weed).  Anyway, a few people showing up with pump sprayer, and perhaps an idiot stick, could make a big dent in the ivy and musk thistle festations.  If there's an organized effort, I'm in.

Tom
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Dirk on May 25, 2008, 08:07:12 PM
Tom and I spent the day out at SMP spraying herbicide on the poison ivy about the course and got a good handle on eradication. We will check back in several weeks and see how its dying off and hit it again.

I highly doubt we got all of it and it will take persistence to mostly eradicate it.

Holes 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18 are fairly heavy and where we did the most work. Big thanks to Tom who had obviously done this before. Having people like step up and help goes a long ways in making this course better faster.

Dirk

Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: dogundertheporch on June 09, 2008, 11:25:46 AM
if the parks and rec can't mow this course any better why even mess with ever getting tee pads put in??the kite flyers need to stay off #8 fairway also. everytime i go up there they are in the way and thats one of the only nice open holes up there. also its said to be more of a family course? how can it be that when the grass is almost taller then my kids. we come out of there with ticks and bug bites everytime.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 09, 2008, 11:58:32 AM
if the parks and rec can't mow this course any better why even mess with ever getting tee pads put in??the kite flyers need to stay off #8 fairway also. everytime i go up there they are in the way and thats one of the only nice open holes up there. also its said to be more of a family course? how can it be that when the grass is almost taller then my kids. we come out of there with ticks and bug bites everytime.

Seems to me that these types of complaints should go directly to the parks department so that they know people want to use the course but can't. That may prompt them to pay more attention to it for their patrons.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: jack on June 09, 2008, 05:46:47 PM
Please do contact the P&R directly.  Stopping in the office during business hours is probably best, if you can be civil and extremely polite, and ask if they have a mow schedule that would be great.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: VBadJuJu on June 12, 2008, 04:58:10 PM
Hi,

I am new to DG but play SMP about 3 times a week weather permitting, so I am very familiar with it.  On days I dont DG, I am out there on my bike, so I know a lot of the rangers, police etc. That said, with all this rain and WIND, I havent been out there in about a week.

The issue with mowing that I see is that it is a NON DGers idea of how a DG course needs to be mowed.  When they mow, which is whenever they mow the lawns in the park, they dont do wide enough swatch.  Initially they were just doing a 12 foot wide swatch.  I mentioned to them that this was too narrow, and the last time I was out there it was a 18 or so wide swatch.  That still isn't really wide enough, especially on the long/open holes, but they just don't know what the deal is.  I think that they think discs are just lobbed down the fairway 50 or 60 feet at a time with more precision than I generally see in players.

There are other holes such as #1 and #2 where the woods on either side are natural boundaries that you want to avoid.  I think they should mow from side to side rather than just do a path down the middle.  They should also mow most of the area where 6 and 7 now are.  The downhill holes, 12, 14, 16 could be wider too, but I am wilder on those holes.  The rest like 8-11 on top of the hill seem ok with the wider swatch - I just treat it like a hazard I want to stay out of.

Keep in mind they are new to what it takes to maintain it.  As an example, the last time they mowed, they didn't mow #11 and instead just went from basket 10 to 11.  With just little flags in the ground to mark the Tees and no experience mowing it is an understandable mistake. The guy on the mower cant find the Tees any easier than you can.  I was going to mention it to them if they miss it again on the next mowing.

PERSONALLY, I suspect it MAY be that in addition to not knowing how/where discs fly, they are mowing narrow corridors because thats what they provided for in the maintenance budget.  Again, they do not know what to expect and each additional 'pass' of the mower down the course is about 5+ miles.

They do listen to suggestions and cogent comments but scolding, lecturing or chastising them for being the 'wealthiest county' blah blah blah isnt going to influence anyone or get you any friends. A few weeks ago, just before they moved the 4th hole, I made 3 or 4 suggestions and within a week all but one was implemented.  One involved the kite fliers and rocket launchers that use the 9th fairway.  I think that will be somewhat of an ongoing problem - that part of the park has been used for that for YEARS before there was a course.  What they did do, was to mow another section further off to the left for the kites and rockets, and thats where they all moved.  They ARENT far enough out of the way, but they DID listen.  The problem is that there isnt anyone giving them practical guidance.

As for the ticks and mites, I hate that too.  But SMP isnt some little city park like Prairie Center where you play on the lawn, the DG course is in the midst of nature preserve. I doubt they are going to spray 5 Million square feet for bugs and poison ivy anytime soon.  I have found that when I use bug spray and stay out of the woods with my throws, ticks and mites arent a problem.  ;)

What REALLY needs to happen is for some DG types to take the initiative and put together a cogent, concise list of what is wrong and walk them thru things. For instance technically, 9 is unusable if there are any kiters or rocketeers there as thay are inbounds betwixt the Tee and basket.  I'd really hate to see that hole move, but it might have to, and it would be better now than when the Tees are in.  Presumably someone in the DG community helped or was involved with planning the course, and know the names of whom to contact, and can explain the issues and maybe even show him how/where discs go when you throw them.

My experience over the years has been that they are very responsive when they are aware of a issue or problem. 

HAGD

edit: Sorry, meant to post this in the "How can we..." thread.
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Dirk on June 30, 2008, 05:22:54 PM
We are seeing substantial improvements in playability since the tall grasses covering the back 9 have been mowed.  The course is really living up to its potential now! The staff seemed to be very responsive to the influx of public opinion on maintenance needs, so hopefully the attention to continues to improve.

In order to further define tee areas we have added Tee markers (foot faults) for holes 1 through 10. We are awaiting more rebar from the parks to get the last 8 tees finished. 

After meeting with the park officials it was decided that the approved location for hole 10 could be moved further up the hill and to the west into previously unmowed area. Initially we did not want to add more mowing for the parks but it looks as if they are willing to accommodate this in order to avoid interference with Kite Flyers and Rocket Enthusiasts.

However this weekend the Rocket Enthusiasts just moved up the hill further and set up in the extended mowing area for the fairway, so We'll have to work with the parks in order to get the message out that their is room for all groups to coexist as long as we are aware of each other's needs. Over time I'm sure it will settle out.

We will still keep the longer placement as a longer alternate tee (among several planned) that can be played when the fairway is wide open.  The new primary pad will initially shorten the hole leading to easier 3s and birdable for big arms. this opens up more potential for future longer pin locations. The wind still is, and will be a primary factor for this hole.

There may be times when other patrons interfere with both placements, so just give people a shout and wave to let them know you are playing through. Many courses in the nations more crowded parks coexist amicable to other activities and we will do the same. The entire road along 9, 10, 11 is scheduled to be removed, but that date is unknown to us at the time.

The updated map is in the pinned Course Open thread http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=1633.0

Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: David E on June 30, 2008, 07:43:27 PM
Parks updated their map:

http://jcprd.com/park_admin/pdf/SMP-DiscGolf.pdf
Title: SMP IS MOWED
Post by: David E on July 11, 2008, 12:18:03 PM
I took a group of 17 co-workers out to SMP for a 'team building' event this morning. We played 9 thru 17 and they all really enjoed the game. Maybe created a few new local players eventually?

The parks guys were mowing #9, 10, 11 etc and the rest of the holes were not too long. Bu the time we left it looked like they were working theor way to the front 9?

Not to beat a dead horse....can't wait for tee pads out there!
Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: VBadJuJu on August 13, 2008, 06:22:21 PM
After meeting with the park officials it was decided that the approved location for hole 10 could be moved further up the hill and to the west into previously unmowed area. Initially we did not want to add more mowing for the parks but it looks as if they are willing to accommodate this in order to avoid interference with Kite Flyers and Rocket Enthusiasts.
I think you mean hole 9.

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However this weekend the Rocket Enthusiasts just moved up the hill further and set up in the extended mowing area for the fairway, so We'll have to work with the parks in order to get the message out that their is room for all groups to coexist as long as we are aware of each other's needs.

They ALWAYS set up as far up the hill as they can so the rockets are less likely to land in the street or powerlines - they have to contend with wind too.  Plus the flatter part at the top is ideal for lawn chairs, work tables, sun awning, kids etc.  And obviously the spring time kite fliers will go as far up the hill as possible in order to grab the wind.

The new tee for 9 is so much closer to their launch area it puts them directly in the line of fire no matter where they set up (even without them moving up the hill).  When I first read the proposed change I pictured the tee moving down towards the road - AWAY from the rocketeer area - and this made sense because it puts kiters and rocketeers on much more on a tangent from the tee.  The major danger to them would be from a long, wild side arm throw, but with care you could get past them.  The side advantage to this is that it would allow some sort of tree, post, bush or other marker to be placed on the hill incline to make the hilltop OB.

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We will still keep the longer placement as a longer alternate tee (among several planned) that can be played when the fairway is wide open.
I like the "alternate" (original) tee, mainly because I liked the long hole, but it is the new tee that cannot be played when the rocketeers are out.  One of the regular rocket people was out there the other evening.
            Tee --------->   Rockets
                                             ---> #9



Title: Re: Course Improvements
Post by: Olorin on November 26, 2008, 10:03:23 PM
Hi,

I enjoyed playing SMP in Oct.  I noticed that hole 9 is different than the map shows.  Instead of the listed 519 ft it seems to be in the 300s.  Maybe ~330?  Does anyone have the current length of that hole?  I'm writing up my notes on the course and then I'll post a review of the course ad DG Course Review, so I'd appreciate any help you can give.