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Title: We have a Dream...
Post by: Ken Franks on November 05, 2012, 11:04:40 AM
  Nice work on everybody that stepped their game up, this weekend and chose to make an effort to improve their game. Glad to see how many people listened to Loomis' points on "getting better". You guys really inspired me to put this in ink...

  I was really hoping Scott was gonna put a few golfers, that normally play advanced, on my card. I was looking forward to giving advice and to motivate, and he gave me Cro. What a great fun round just to watch some great shots he threw. Dude, can crush!!! I was impressed. Keep it up Matt!!!
 
  I had a great time in the limelight, Living in a motor home, being on tour, meeting amazing people, experiencing some intense life stories and lessons. All centralized by Disc Golf.
 
 With handfuls of injuries and new life goals, I have a new focus within this game...What I want our golf community to understand is, Loomis and I have a very similar project, We want to inspire and make you all better!!!!

 Dan and I, SINCERELY, believe we are a true hot bed for golfers. There is some serious talent forming in our community. Some of you are right on the cusp of being AMAZING!!! Once you refine a few parts of your game and gain consistency... The way your gonna do that is doing what you just did, PLAYING UP!!!

 Not sure If everybody knows, but I never played as an Amateur. Only division I have ever played was Open. In 2003, My first rating was 938, after a handful of events, a donating PRO!!! I staying with the ups and downs for years as I excelled. Staying with that and learning from everyone I played with that was waaaay better than I was, I just absorbed. Watching the decision making, disc selection, course management...etc... watching Climo take a double circle 8, and regain poise, and birdie the next 10 holes. Truly remarkable the shots and things I've seen on a golf course. I played with a few golfers this weekend that can do things the course, that I was never able to do. Mainly throw really far...:~)

 I gave a lesson everyday this past week and talk about feeling really rewarding. Watching one guy who couldn't throw more than 125 ft bailout hyzers, to throwing 4 consecutive shots, over 200 feet straight, in 90 mins, was super fun for both of us...!

 If any of you need a little advice on your game or help tweaking something, please feel free to ask, whenever or wherever...!

 Thanks for the Inspiration and forward thinking Mr. Loomis!!!
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Utz on November 05, 2012, 11:42:32 AM
*LIKE*

(we're working on the Like button Tank :D)
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Peter Bures on November 05, 2012, 12:18:09 PM
*LIKE*

(we're working on the Like button Tank :D)

It's about time something gets done around here... :P
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Post by: andyportwood on November 05, 2012, 12:52:42 PM
I am always in need of instruction. There is only so much online clinics can teach a person who learns best from hands on experience.  :P
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Post by: ObiWan on November 05, 2012, 01:17:11 PM
I would love an opportunity to work with someone on my form, drives have been tweaking my elbow and shoulder a lot recently. I have gotten around this by throwing softer. I think my drive doesn't need to much work though, just enough to stop doing damage to my elbow and shoulder.
What I really need to work on is ups and mostly putts. Any help would be appreciated. I would also love the ability to take what I have learned and pass it on to others.
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Post by: andyportwood on November 05, 2012, 01:25:02 PM
Any help would be appreciated. I would also love the ability to take what I have learned and pass it on to others.

Agree! One of the things I took away from being a martial arts instructor was this line:

"The best teachers are those that can give others the passion to teach."
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Post by: The Nailerâ„¢ on November 05, 2012, 01:46:34 PM
I think this post is simply inspirational. 

Being in the Midwest is a vital location for this sport.  I feel that KC has everything that is needed to make this sport even bigger than it is today.  A great location with perfect settings and the potential for additional layouts can make the tracks that people travel hours or days to play.  More importantly, I feel it is the people who make this sport.  The players who walk these tracks have the ability to promote a fantastic game in a top notch city.  I have yet to meet anyone, random or otherwise, who does not represent KC and Disc Golf in an exceptionally positive light.  Having been a member for only several months, I feel the cost more than pays for itself with the opportunity you are given.

I met some guys at PCP after I got lost at BV on Saturday (Daaaamn that place is no joke).  Great guys to play with.  I talked about the KCFDC and they were very interested.  Not to push it, but I suggested they join up for all it has to offer or hit up a league and see if it is for them.  These same two guys were the ones that came DU the Saturday before everyone went off on RDD.  They were impressed by the friendliness and draw of a Saturday league.  Needless to say, we exchanged numbers and will be playing again.  I hope to get them to sign up with the KCFDC.  Not just to increase membership, but because the more people we can get who truly enjoy this sport, the better we are as whole.

I missed Sunday.  But I enjoyed seeing those I know in the results and how well they did.  It's small things like Disc Golf that can make life that much more enjoyable.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Loomis on November 05, 2012, 05:50:50 PM
Sunday at Swope. 10 AM.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Mick on November 05, 2012, 09:13:50 PM


  More importantly, I feel it is the people who make this sport.  The players who walk these tracks have the ability to promote a fantastic game in a top notch city.  I have yet to meet anyone, random or otherwise, who does not represent KC and Disc Golf in an exceptionally positive light.  Having been a member for only several months, I feel the cost more than pays for itself with the opportunity you are given.


  It's small things like Disc Golf that can make life that much more enjoyable.

Here's the deal. I am old but new to the sport. I started as a way to loss weight, period. ( those that know me, know I'm fat) I started in July when it was 120 + degrees, so I went in the morning and walked. I would throw then count my steps after each throw all in allI remember, 80 Feet. I thought that was good being an Ex-Frisbee player. My wife and I were at PHill and a young man, (under 30) was very polite and showed me the x-step and walked with us for a few holes. That gave me an additional 30 feet. Since then , I have meet and played with some very supportive people. Each one has left something with me, I even recieved a disc from one of my new friends. In turn , I have introduced 6 new players to the sport and who knows where these seeds will fall. I have a bad heart and don't know how long I can play but I'm going to try and play as much as I can until I can't play anymore. I hope to play more next spring and play some league play.
I am a high school teacher by day and know that helping others is not only a great feeling but it makes you better at your trade.
Thanks for all the help folks
Mick
p.s. forgot the part, last week on 10 at Legacy, I made it even to the pin in 2.  :D
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: cro on November 05, 2012, 10:11:25 PM
I had a great time at this event, it was lots of fun playing with Tank and Cooper. They both had encouraging things to say. I will for sure take any chance, be it league or other to play up and learn from these guys. Thanks to both of you guys for encouraging me to work on my consisteny and giving me the opportunity compete in a higher level of golf. Looking forward to the next round that we play.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Peter Bures on November 05, 2012, 10:26:00 PM
Sunday at Swope. 10 AM.

I'm in.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: hberciunas on November 06, 2012, 05:48:20 AM
Excellent thread gents.

I will be hitting you up Tank . . . (my putting is twisted in my head)

Sunday 10AM Swope, looking forward to meeting you loomis and learning how I can get better.

Keep it up Mick, I too am an old one and new to the game. I hope to play until I can no longer walk . . .

Again, thanks to Scott for pushing us up . . .

peace
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: coops on November 06, 2012, 06:37:46 AM
I just want to throw in there too that I regularly play Rosedale after work (sometime in the early afternoon and depending on weather).

If anybody wants to play, just let me know. Usually I'm doing something weird like playing safari or even just working on a couple different holes for their particular shots, but if you want to practice and have somebody watch your shots (so long as you promise to critique or video mine), you are more than welcome to join me.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Aric on November 06, 2012, 11:05:17 PM
Here is my take of disc golf in Kansas City, and it has parts of the Loomis/Tank philosophy in it.  First of all, I have been throwing for eight weeks this Friday, thus I suck.  Even though I am a newbie, I have been encouraged by players greater than me to join the KCFDC and PDGA and support not only the local club, but also the national scene.  I have, and met several good people in the short two months.

When I began throwing, I was encouraged by the first pro I met to play in the RAC, which I did. His philosophy was that I should play in tournaments, not only to watch better players, but to get experience with the various courses.  After the RAC, I was encouraged to play the City of Fountains, which I also took his advice and did.  Even though I got chewed up at Blue Valley, and came in last place (not including the DNF's), I had fun, learned some things, and will continue on my quest to get better.

The pro has stuck with me, teaching me to throw straighter, farther, and I still have much to learn from him.  In fact, I have never been told by anyone I have met that I was no good, should not play, nor they did not want to play on the same card as me.  In fact the opposite is true.  I have been encouraged to play, invited to play in groups as I let them play through when I have been throwing by myself, and given advise.  Several times, I have been given disc's to try to throw.  I now have several people that I can text to go play, and if schedules allow, will.

Besides seeing two players throw discs at each other because they did not like the other player, and another who threw between 80-100 dollars worth of discs in woods in frustration (resulting in a majority of the disc's being lost), I have seen nothing but good sportsmanship and a willingness and desire to bring new people into the sport and helping them grow. 

If you need someone to play a course with, and I am free, I will, even though it may take me a few more shots to get to the basket than yours.  I am grateful for the assistance I have received, and am looking foward to beating some people next year.  Most people I have met just want to play disc golf.

Thanks for everything so far,
Aric
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: sportwood on November 07, 2012, 09:16:04 AM
This has been a super thread!!!  Thank you guys for pushing to make our club a true community!  I got into disc golf years ago because it was what I could afford on a college student budget but I have stayed because of the culture.  It is amazing to see this culture hold.  As our community grows it gets harder and harder to maintain that and you guys have really stepped up to make it happen!!!!!

Andy Portwood and I meet up at some course at least one day every weekend and would love to get any instruction we can get.  We both have cameras that take high speed video and playback slow motion replay to break things down so hopefully we can help you out as well using the tools we have.  Look forward to seeing you guys on the course.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Mick on November 07, 2012, 05:04:50 PM
I know I kind of highjacked the tread alittle, it was the Ocktoberfest talking. But it was about disc golf of KC to me. Here I go again.
I have a great job, I hang out with young people all day talking about what we love to do. My classes are 2 1/2 hours a day and are small so we get to know each other well and they know I have a new love in my life. Today we had some time to kill so I took them outside and gave them my putters. ( I only had 8 ) They were throwing them pretty well for their first time. Three of them have played and kind of helped. What a good time. Some wanted to know how much and where  the courses where. I had a great time telling them "that was a good throw". We have a weld shop that is going to help me make a couple of baskets and I'm going to set up a 2 hole course. With all the talk of course design and the future of the sport in KC, the more people playing being rec or pro ,you will have a strong voice in it's future. With others helping others get better and then passing that on, it will grow. I might of quit playing with out the help from strangers. I didn't play the tournament this tread was about but plan on being more active next year. I travel a lot and always hear KC is a friendly place, keep it up KCFDC and help us newbies. Yes ,learning from the best makes the best better.

Sorry for the Highjack
now back to lurking
Mick
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Post by: andyportwood on November 08, 2012, 12:25:23 PM
This has been a super thread!!!  Thank you guys for pushing to make our club a true community!  I got into disc golf years ago because it was what I could afford on a college student budget but I have stayed because of the culture.  It is amazing to see this culture hold.  As our community grows it gets harder and harder to maintain that and you guys have really stepped up to make it happen!!!!!

Andy Portwood and I meet up at some course at least one day every weekend and would love to get any instruction we can get.  We both have cameras that take high speed video and playback slow motion replay to break things down so hopefully we can help you out as well using the tools we have.  Look forward to seeing you guys on the course.

Yes, we have done a lot of filming and it definitely helps to find areas of improvement. Both of us are happy to lend our filming capability for anyone, especially (but not limited to) those that can help us on our game as well. Let either of us know if interested!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-_Nz9TLM-M&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-_Nz9TLM-M&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Ps: sorry about the hyperlink. Couldn't figure out how to post the video directly from my phone.
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Post by: dickthediscparker on November 08, 2012, 12:32:36 PM
You have the video set to private.
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Post by: andyportwood on November 08, 2012, 12:37:05 PM
Fixed it. Thanks Dick!
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Post by: discglover on November 08, 2012, 04:03:34 PM
One helpful tip I can offer is try playing a round of Homie skins golf. That helps with concentration.
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Post by: Ken Franks on November 08, 2012, 07:29:09 PM
This has been a super thread!!!  Thank you guys for pushing to make our club a true community!  I got into disc golf years ago because it was what I could afford on a college student budget but I have stayed because of the culture.  It is amazing to see this culture hold.  As our community grows it gets harder and harder to maintain that and you guys have really stepped up to make it happen!!!!!

Andy Portwood and I meet up at some course at least one day every weekend and would love to get any instruction we can get.  We both have cameras that take high speed video and playback slow motion replay to break things down so hopefully we can help you out as well using the tools we have.  Look forward to seeing you guys on the course.

Yes, we have done a lot of filming and it definitely helps to find areas of improvement. Both of us are happy to lend our filming capability for anyone, especially (but not limited to) those that can help us on our game as well. Let either of us know if interested!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-_Nz9TLM-M&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-_Nz9TLM-M&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Ps: sorry about the hyperlink. Couldn't figure out how to post the video directly from my phone.

 I like that you bring the disc up, as i term, "the show and throw". I think you are bringing the disc back a bit early... let your first step(right foot) be the the time you bring the disc up to front...second step, taking the disc back... You are starting to bring it back, during your first step...( not counting the 4th step, ie your first step)

 Have I confused you?
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Post by: andyportwood on November 08, 2012, 08:20:10 PM
Nope! I follow  :D I know I need to open my hips more before my release as well.

Thank you!!!
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Post by: Loomis on November 09, 2012, 12:43:51 PM
Due to weather concerns for Sunday Morning. I am going to push back the Sunday morning Swope round to another day.
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Post by: andyportwood on November 09, 2012, 01:22:06 PM
Chris and I are pushing for a morning round or two tomorrow at Rosedale if anyone is interested. We wanted to try to hit both courses. Might push for a 36 hole non-stop golfaganza if our arms aren't falling off after the first 18 :P
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Post by: jteater on November 09, 2012, 02:42:00 PM
What time? I have'nt played DU and I would like to play both courses tomorrow.
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Post by: coops on November 09, 2012, 05:23:11 PM
Re: The Video

I'd for sure work on taking that left hand off the disc on your pullback. You do for a bit but sort of put it back on right before you begin accelerating the disc.

It also looks like it is swinging a little too far off your chest (is making the disc line too rounded). Might be a trick of the angle, but if not and you can focus on getting a more straight pull through you should be able to get some more speed on the disc.
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Post by: coops on November 09, 2012, 05:32:28 PM
Watch your front foot and see if anything jumps out at you.
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Post by: andyportwood on November 09, 2012, 06:06:02 PM
What time? I have'nt played DU and I would like to play both courses tomorrow.

We were thinking between 7:30 and 8am. I like to get out early so I can spend the rest of the day with my family.
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Post by: andyportwood on November 09, 2012, 06:22:45 PM
Re: The Video

I'd for sure work on taking that left hand off the disc on your pullback. You do for a bit but sort of put it back on right before you begin accelerating the disc.

It also looks like it is swinging a little too far off your chest (is making the disc line too rounded). Might be a trick of the angle, but if not and you can focus on getting a more straight pull through you should be able to get some more speed on the disc.
Thanks Cooper!

 I hadn't ever noticed the back hand grab the disk. It's only for a split second but that's enough to alter the line.
 
And I do see what your talking about with the disc being a little far off the chest. I need to work on that! I compared it with several of the other videos I have and it looks like the fact that I'm not opening up my hips early enough could be exasperating this as well.

What are you seeing with the front foot. I'm loving this feedback!!!!!
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Post by: Ken Franks on November 09, 2012, 06:34:38 PM
Here's what Cooper means...

 Ken Climo Mando Minute Ep. 1 sponsored by Clearwater Disc Golf Store (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pk23LeyVk4#ws)
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Post by: coops on November 10, 2012, 07:52:22 AM
The plant foot:

Your foot is overturned when it plants. Instead of planting at a 90 degree angle (or more)  to your line you are probably only at 45 or so.

I think it is a symptom of opening your hips too early and it is resulting in a significant loss of power.

Watch Feldberg's plant foot on this video and compare it to yours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4341CT2j_Co (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4341CT2j_Co)
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Post by: coops on November 11, 2012, 12:49:23 PM
11 10 12 Cent 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCobaNPm6Aw#ws)

Critiques please?
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Ken Franks on November 11, 2012, 01:49:27 PM
chin down, head still, light on your feet... leading with and opening up your hips nicely and punching through your shot...

 Only thing I really notice is maybe a little drop in your elbow...

Other than that, Looks pretty good to me...  :)
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Post by: eeastwood on November 11, 2012, 01:53:38 PM
11 10 12 Cent 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCobaNPm6Aw#ws)

Critiques please?

You need to shave, lose a little weight, and most importantly you are throwing with the wrong hand.
 ;)
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Post by: sportwood on November 11, 2012, 08:37:57 PM
your reach back is higher than your actual line giving you a vertical arch to your line.
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Post by: sportwood on November 11, 2012, 08:41:19 PM
NM...  It was just the angle...
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Post by: sportwood on November 11, 2012, 08:54:44 PM
Cooper,
Trying to compare your throw to the David Feldberg video has helped...  I have noticed a few things I do wrong by watching those videos then watching mine.  I see I have been breaking my wrist too early.
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Post by: sportwood on November 12, 2012, 03:47:26 PM
I went out during lunch to see if I could turn what I learned into distance and consistency and I was able to achieve a noticeable distance gain on my throw but more importantly my accuracy was greatly improved!  Community breakdown of a slow motion video is a great tool!!
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Post by: coops on November 12, 2012, 07:03:23 PM
I went out during lunch to see if I could turn what I learned into distance and consistency and I was able to achieve a noticeable distance gain on my throw but more importantly my accuracy was greatly improved!  Community breakdown of a slow motion video is a great tool!!


And I think one of the best things about video study is that you get to see yourself throwing. It let's you see all sorts of things. Outside help is great too, but don't underestimate what you see.
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Post by: coops on November 12, 2012, 07:06:24 PM
chin down, head still, light on your feet... leading with and opening up your hips nicely and punching through your shot...

 Only thing I really notice is maybe a little drop in your elbow...

Other than that, Looks pretty good to me...  :)

Do you essentially mean that I'm taking the elbow off line? I'm just having trouble visualizing the problem/figuring out how to fix it.

One of the things I noticed in it is that I don't have a full reach back and/or I have insufficient weight shift back. Anybody else agree with that thought?
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Post by: Flying J on November 13, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
Yes, I agree, Cooper.  The first thing I noticed is that you don't have a full reach back.

I've gone with Will's method -tought to me personally by Will *cough, cough* :)- and I find it provides increased straight line accuracy and power.

Will Schusterick Slow Motion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rauvjnphLc#ws)
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Post by: quinnie on November 14, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
Cooper,

I stopped the full reach back from a Hemme suggestion.  I lost some distance, but I gained more command.  I am not as accurate or consistent with a full reach back.  Heck, I am not accurate or consistent.  I would love to incorporate more reach back into my game.  I would love to incorporate more consistency  and accuracy.  I would love...  Suggestions on how the heck Will throws with full reach back and accuracy is appreciated.
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Post by: Timko on November 14, 2012, 03:02:37 PM
Will has God given talent to throw like that.

I think first we need to address how far you want to throw.  Regardless of what most people lead you to believe, less than 1% of all disc golfers throw over 400' consistently on flat ground.

Personally, I think getting accuracy inside 350' is the most important thing before trying with a full reach back.  Generally, you need a bigger reach back to throw midranges north of 350' but you should be able to control a driver with shoulder turn and minimal reach back in that distance.
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Post by: jhinck2 on November 14, 2012, 06:20:20 PM
Less than 1%? Dang
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Post by: Neckbeard on November 14, 2012, 07:00:12 PM
f*ck the 1%!
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Post by: mperry on November 14, 2012, 07:04:43 PM
Surely it's like 5%
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Post by: Peter Bures on November 14, 2012, 08:59:59 PM
Maybe 5% of the population that plays even semi-seriously. People who play in leagues and occasional tournaments, sure.

But all of disc golfers? Like, people who play even remotely regularly? It's probably well below 1%.
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Post by: Timko on November 14, 2012, 09:09:30 PM
Peter said what I was going to type. I think his numbers are accurate.
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Post by: jhinck2 on November 14, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
There's a lot of people in KC that throw over 400, but I agree, lots that don't.
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Post by: Flying J on November 14, 2012, 09:42:54 PM
I stopped the full reach back from a Hemme suggestion.  I lost some distance, but I gained more command.  I am not as accurate or consistent with a full reach back.  Heck, I am not accurate or consistent.  I would love to incorporate more reach back into my game.  I would love to incorporate more consistency  and accuracy.  I would love...  Suggestions on how the heck Will throws with full reach back and accuracy is appreciated.

It's not a black an white thing, Quinnie.   Hemme is right, but his advice must be taken in context with what you were doing at moment he advised you. For example, was it a wide open 200 ft upshot?

I recently went to the full reach back not to gain power -I could already throw it 500+ ft- but to gain straight line accuracy.  Before learning the full reach back I used a bent elbow technique.  Bent elbow afforded me great distance control.  The drawback with bent elbow is "rounding".  During rounding the disc is not traveling in a straight line as you pull it from the reach back to the release.  The disc is actually traveling in a curve.  Looking at "rounding" from above, you can easily see that if your release point is not perfect, you will release early and throw the disc left of your intended target (if you are right handed) or release the disc late and have it travel right of where you want it to go.  Rounding can spell trouble when you need to hit a gap.  Full reach eliminates rounding.

I still use bent elbow when I need to hit a certain distance, but if I need to hit a line I use full reach back.

As for accuracy, you can only gain that with a lot of practice.  Field practice.  Don't play rounds.  Only playing rounds is one of the worst things you can do for your game if what you want is to get better fast.  You just won't improve much.
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Post by: jack on November 15, 2012, 09:08:44 AM
There's a lot of people in KC that throw over 400, but I agree, lots that don't.

Not consistently, there aren't a lot of people on FLAT ground.  I can throw over 400' at WW on #14  ;D  I can't on #2 though.... 8)

.....I recently went to the full reach back not to gain power -I could already throw it 500+ ft-........

now this guy is just showing off....EAST SIDE!  :o
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Post by: tla06 on November 15, 2012, 10:03:33 AM
For you younger throwers, keep in mind that you will be old one day and the ol' bod won't be as flexible.  Develop a throwing style with good basic mechanics now so that as you age and your throw goes away, you'll be able to self-analyze to bring it back.  Additionally, good form will also help against long term damage to the various joints involved and keeping you playing way past the point you should causing all the youngsters to feel sorry for you  :-\ ;D
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Post by: Loomis on November 15, 2012, 10:37:36 AM
I am free tomorrow if anyone would like some assistance.
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Post by: jhinck2 on November 15, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Can we amend the name to EAST SIDE BOMBERS?
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Post by: sportwood on November 15, 2012, 11:47:48 AM
I am free tomorrow if anyone would like some assistance.

What time will you be available?
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Post by: Loomis on November 15, 2012, 12:07:01 PM
Seth and I will be at Rosedale at 9 for a round. After that round, I will be free.
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Post by: ekolk on November 15, 2012, 03:14:22 PM
f*ck the 1%!

Love me some Neckbeard!

I am guessing every disc golfer would recommend finding your technique over trying to copy someone else's. Certainly, there is value in tips and advice from Pro players but time and practice will build that conistency in distance/accuracy. If you have seen me throw, you know I do not run up and barely cross step. Now I do not throw 400 + consistenlty, but I do throw 350 w/o a ton of effort, and it usually goes where I want it to. It's not because I am tall. It's because I have developed that shot over time. The shot does include the pull back and some of the "spacing" advice from Feldberg and Big Jerm.

In short, practice, practice, practice. The ball diamonds are a good place to start. I like to unload my bag a couple times from home base and then go throw a few holes. It helps a lot.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: jack on November 15, 2012, 04:18:07 PM
f*ck the 1%!

Love me some Neckbeard!
....... I like to unload my bag a couple times from home base and then go...... It helps a lot.

I was laughing about this, I found it just hilarious, though not intended....I kept saying to myself, "He said unload his bag"....Beevis it's not that funny! :P
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: ekolk on November 15, 2012, 04:28:57 PM
f*ck the 1%!

Love me some Neckbeard!
....... I like to unload my bag a couple times from home base and then go...... It helps a lot.

I was laughing about this, I found it just hilarious, though not intended....I kept saying to myself, "He said unload his bag"....Beevis it's not that funny! :P

This guy? What the...?  ;)
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: tla06 on November 15, 2012, 07:32:05 PM
Consider the source...  :P
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: tallguy007kc on November 16, 2012, 08:58:29 AM
You guys STILL crack me up....lol  ;D
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: CD on November 16, 2012, 12:48:02 PM
I'm CD Steiner, and I approve this message  :o

It's not because I am tall. It's because I have developed that shot over time.
In short, practice, practice, practice. I like to unload my bag a couple times from the fifty-yard line and then go throw a few holes.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Loomis on November 18, 2012, 07:37:36 PM
Okay. I've heard from more than a few of you about the "reach back" technique and I think there needs to be some clarity.

The "reaching" part is, in fact, a twist of the torso and a trick of the eye. Do not, in fact, "reach" back. If you look at the videos, the arm is not extended back, it "falls" back as the body twists at the waist. It appears to reach, but it does not. Then, as the body twists back around to the front, it "pulls" the arm forward. (do not jerk your arm, just let it accelerate naturally. It's hard to diagram this without showing you, but please, do not REACH. Just let your body twist.

I hope that helps.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: coops on November 18, 2012, 08:13:47 PM
In my case, I would say, too, that there is an extent where there should be a reach (i.e. a visible weight shift AND a straight arm). Often I am too far forward or straight up and down on the reach back and my elbow is slightly bent.

But yes, you do have to use your hips to reach.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Loomis on November 18, 2012, 08:19:44 PM
Reaching back is cheating the twist of your body. The twist is where the strength is found. Work on the twist, not the reach.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: jamidanger on November 19, 2012, 09:26:06 AM
By far, the most important part of any shot is what is happening in the last split second as the disc is pulling itself from your grip. Focus there. It's the key.

this quote is suffix on  every dave dunipace pdga post.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Neckbeard on November 19, 2012, 11:49:15 AM
Quote
dave dunipace

For those of you trying to learn how to throw a sidearm, or anyone who throws one, I recommend Dave's sidearm video:

Dave's Tips | Driving - Sidearm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa8QHevIGKs#ws)

One of his main points, the need for a "strong sudden steely snap of the wrist" as you release, really helped improve my forehand throw, and I had already been throwing lots of forehand throws for over 7 years when I watched it. I see a lot of new players or even experienced players who are trying to develop this throw use way too much arm, and this video really helps demonstrate that it is all about that sudden wrist snap.

Also check out his "snake strike" putting video!


I just realized that ol' Dave must have a serious Viagra induced  hard-on for alliteration using the letter "s".

Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: CD on November 19, 2012, 02:03:26 PM
Reaching back is cheating the twist of your body. The twist is where the strength is found. Work on the twist, not the reach.

So all this time I've been doing the "twist"? My wife will be so proud when I tell her I really can dance.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: sportwood on November 21, 2012, 02:06:07 PM
Big thanks to Loomis!!!!  I have worked on what you have taught me every day since we meet.  I played my first game since that day up at water works and even though my score was horrid I felt I played the best game I have ever played!  Now it is back to the practice field for me but although I may be inconsistent I felt I made far better decisions and when I missed it was because I either tried to throw it or because I used my front finger.  I just wanted you to know how much it meant so much for you and (Mina?) to take time to pass on your knowledge to me.  You are a wonderful and patient teacher!!!!  Andy (My Brother) was very jealous, but I have tried to pass on what I learned as best I could.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: andyportwood on November 21, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
Andy (My Brother) was very jealous, but I have tried to pass on what I learned as best I could.

Yes, me next! Me next!!!  ;D
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: coops on November 21, 2012, 02:19:31 PM
One step back...

Two steps forward
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Loomis on November 21, 2012, 03:04:19 PM
Thanks Chris. I will be free all weekend if someone would like to work on something.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: hberciunas on November 22, 2012, 08:02:21 AM
Loomis, (or others), we have 4 or 5 playing rosie at 9am Friday if you want to join us. Most of us would be very glad to take some pointers.
Title: Re: We have a Dream...
Post by: Loomis on November 22, 2012, 08:36:23 AM
I will be at Rosie today around 10