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Title: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on January 29, 2013, 01:37:14 PM
Welcome to the 2nd Annual Rosedale Open.

Course Information:
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=1778 (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=1778)
http://kcfdc.org/disc-golf-courses/kansas/rosedale-park/ (http://kcfdc.org/disc-golf-courses/kansas/rosedale-park/)

March 10th, 2013
PDGA C'Tier
Checkin 8:00-9:00am
KC Mini Series Event
KCFDC Event

Online Registration:
http://www.dynamicdiscs.com (http://www.dynamicdiscs.com)

Current Pre-Registration List:
http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/100858/891126396 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/100858/891126396)

Disc Golf Scene:
https://www.discgolfscene.com/tournaments/2013_Rosedale_Open (https://www.discgolfscene.com/tournaments/2013_Rosedale_Open)

Facebook Event Page:
http://www.facebook.com/events/341191599329332/ (http://www.facebook.com/events/341191599329332/)

(http://www.dynamicdiscs.com/flyers/2013/Rosedale-Open.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on February 14, 2013, 12:45:06 PM
19 confirmed registrations for the Rosedale Open.  10 of those have come in the last 2 days.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on February 18, 2013, 11:41:58 AM
As of today, there are 31 confirmed entries for the Rosedale Open
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: JohnnyD on February 18, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
is there a cap on # of registered players like there was for frostbreaker? I couldnt commit to the last one till week prior and it was too late to get in by that time....
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on February 19, 2013, 06:57:24 AM
Just about all events have to have a cap.  This one is at 90 players
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on February 20, 2013, 11:43:35 AM
Registrations is officially half full with 46 confirmed registrations
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: spnachio on February 20, 2013, 04:52:42 PM
yo Scott...........Jeffo would like to play int.  please and thanks
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on February 22, 2013, 09:49:50 AM
Registration for the Rosedale Open is at 60
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on February 25, 2013, 11:09:27 AM
Current registration is now 71
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on February 27, 2013, 10:12:33 AM
a few more registrations came in, up to 75
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Peter Bures on March 01, 2013, 10:33:34 PM
Is the course layout for this decided yet?
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on March 04, 2013, 12:26:25 PM
its tournament week and things are going well.  If you are playing either day, you can come and check in at the DDKC store Friday or you can wait until the morning of the event.

As of now we are looking at pretty nice weather this week so hopefully most of the snow is gone, however, I am sure it will be sloppy so be prepared for wet feet.

The layout is set for the event and we will be playing both the top and Down Under course to allow for split groups and a faster speed of play for the event.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: robm on March 04, 2013, 12:51:24 PM
All divisions playing both up and down, just reversed for AM / PM?

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The layout is set for the event and we will be playing both the top and Down Under course to allow for split groups and a faster speed of play for the event.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on March 04, 2013, 01:05:23 PM
Yes, there will be a Pool A and Pool B and both will play both courses.  The Pools will flip flop.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: dan howard on March 04, 2013, 05:40:21 PM
For future reference,  if you are going to use Down Under please be sure to put it on the flyer, I hate mucking around down there this time of year.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: spnachio on March 04, 2013, 09:09:09 PM
So we will play one round on both courses? Or all upper and a piece of down under (sorta like ice bowl)?  I trust your judgement, Scott, but I'd rather get backed up on a hole than play a sloppy down under.  :-\
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: JohnnyD on March 04, 2013, 10:27:36 PM
down under is going to be a hellish mud bath. weeeeeeeeee!! see ya on friday jeff!
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Peter Bures on March 04, 2013, 11:11:46 PM
It's one round up top and one round down under.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Utz on March 04, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
I'm sure glad I've been attending Down Under League ô¿ô
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Danny Rodriguez on March 05, 2013, 07:53:49 AM
i like that we are using both courses.     excited i get to play 36 on sunday!
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: ian on March 05, 2013, 09:19:55 AM
See you guys Sunday!
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on March 05, 2013, 09:35:44 AM
It was my initial idea to have both courses to allow for more player, but also to allow for a smoother run event with less on each card, especially for those playing Wyco as well, it would make for a quicker event.  I made those plans before knowing what the weather would do or knowing for sure what the conditions would be like.

The more I have thought about it, i agree that Down Under would be very sloppy with the natural tee pads and possibly unsafe conditions, especially down the slows off the fairways.  It is my decision to only play up top now and not to play the down under course.  I am very concerned with the safety of that course in wet conditions with the melting snow this week and possible rain this weekend.

I am truly sorry to those who were looking forward to playing both courses.  Although, I am certain we will still have a high quality event with a full field.  With this decision, the event is full at 94 players which as now means we have will have a ghost card along with the full field.

If you have any questions, please contact me and I will be happy to discuss.

Scott
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: bensdadfred on March 05, 2013, 10:16:29 AM
Great decision Scott! Should be a lot of fun up top..
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: dan howard on March 05, 2013, 11:04:26 AM
^^ Agreed, thanks Scott!
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: ian on March 05, 2013, 02:27:22 PM
Didn't it rain at KC AM Worlds when they had to play DU? I can only imagine how much that would've sucked.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Ken Franks on March 05, 2013, 04:20:51 PM
Great decision Scott! Should be a lot of fun up top..
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Skyhawkmd on March 05, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
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Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on March 06, 2013, 09:11:57 AM
Don't forget Sunday March 10th is Daylight Savings Time, so set your clocks accordingly
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: dan howard on March 06, 2013, 11:00:56 AM
For future reference, don't ever plan anything on that Sunday ;)  I love DST, just hate losing that hour on a Saturday night!
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: TPalmer on March 06, 2013, 11:22:09 AM
Just means 1 or 2 less bottles right Dan?   ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: dan howard on March 06, 2013, 01:15:06 PM
If it were only that easy Tom.  My sister is in town this weekend, we'll be tearing it up Saturday night.  Starting at Free State to watch the Hawks @ 5, feel free to join us after KanU.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: TPalmer on March 06, 2013, 02:02:43 PM
Thanks for the offer Dan but I don't think I'll be doing any drinking the night before the Rosey Open.  Gotta fit in that extra hour somewhere.   8)
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Skyhawkmd on March 07, 2013, 03:34:00 PM
I just played Rosie for the first time since the snow and was surprised that the tee pads aren't all clear with all the traffic that course has got since the snow, if I would have known I would have cleared them.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: asjzn6 on March 10, 2013, 04:13:08 PM
Saw that Rosedale open had 84, wyco 88, frost breaker 86, pretty good numbers scott looking forward to what else you can bring to the KC area
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: coops on March 10, 2013, 08:11:00 PM
Good weekend Scott! Maybe next time order some better weather, though.

Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: coops on March 10, 2013, 08:13:21 PM
Did the first and second round get combined for purposes of round ratings?

That second round played way harder with the wind picking up and the temperature dropping.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: TPalmer on March 10, 2013, 08:21:56 PM
Did the first and second round get combined for purposes of round ratings?

That second round played way harder with the wind picking up and the temperature dropping.

I wondered the same.  I shot one stroke worse the second round and my rating for the second round was higher than the first.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on March 10, 2013, 10:06:54 PM
When I enter scores in, I'm only selection course layout, not conditions.  When I submit the official report I will mention those conditions, not sure what that changes though
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: hberciunas on March 11, 2013, 06:16:35 AM
Nice weekend Scott . . . DD  . . . and all those who put in the hours and work. Fun gathering at the store after.

No more from DDKC till May 18 . . . SMITHVILLE!!!!! wooot!!
2 rounds? 3? 4????

Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Scott A Reek on March 11, 2013, 07:55:16 AM
There will be a one rounder or two before then :)
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: dickthediscparker on March 11, 2013, 08:00:19 AM
When I enter scores in, I'm only selection course layout, not conditions.  When I submit the official report I will mention those conditions, not sure what that changes though

As far as I know, the weather has nothing to do with the ratings.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: coops on March 11, 2013, 08:13:04 AM
When I enter scores in, I'm only selection course layout, not conditions.  When I submit the official report I will mention those conditions, not sure what that changes though

Yeah, it just seemed like the ratings were a smidge low that second round. My 53 felt way better than a mid-950s. And, on top of that, there weren't any 1000s in the second round, which is strange enough on its own.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: coops on March 11, 2013, 08:16:59 AM
When I enter scores in, I'm only selection course layout, not conditions.  When I submit the official report I will mention those conditions, not sure what that changes though

As far as I know, the weather has nothing to do with the ratings.

Weather certainly does affect ratings. It changes how people shoot and what scores get what ratings. The other thing too is that the PDGA likes to combine rounds in similar conditions as long as they are on the same set up. Yesterday, though played on the same set up, couldn't have been any different. The morning was mild and calm, and the afternoon was blustery and windy. I would venture to say that it got 4-5 strokes harder between rounds.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: jack on March 11, 2013, 09:03:13 AM
When I enter scores in, I'm only selection course layout, not conditions.  When I submit the official report I will mention those conditions, not sure what that changes though

As far as I know, the weather has nothing to do with the ratings.

Correct, the only thing that matters on the ratings is the other players rating playing.  If the others playing have a high score, the ratings are adjusted accordingly.  So if a 1000 rated player shot 48 for a 1000 the first round and then they shot 52 for a 1000 the second round, it is based off of all the other players with PDGA ratings.  It will self adjust slightly as it becomes official though.

So though weather doesn't change, the PDGA also doesn't "manufacture" ratings based on the weather and alter them.  It is based solely on a mathematical formula.  THe harder the course is scored by the people with ratings already the harder the ratings will be.  If 4 1000 rated players all shoot that 48=1000 in round one, and then shoot 52 in the afternoon, everything will be skewed by four strokes on the afternoon round.  So the weather plays a part only by the score from the players playing.  It doesn't change the ratings criteria because it rained, or because they have another event that was used earlier. 

Think about it in KC, we have one of the few places in the world where we have 3-5 placements on every freaking hole.  Based on that how would the PDGA be able to determine each hole specific to each course, unless we as TD's turned in each location......it doesn't happen.....

Weather only affects the ratings because it affects the entire field's score.  It is with that notion that weather affects the ratings, but not altering the ratings based on the weather.....
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Utz on March 11, 2013, 09:08:58 AM
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All scores thrown on the same course layout in multiple rounds will be used to determine the SSA and ratings for that layout except when wind is significantly different

So it looks like the SSA is still being calculated from the first round, which would be the 49 (1000 rated.) It looks like each throw is then worth 10 ratings points.

The second round gets a little tricky. Because there wasn't a Scratch Score, and the general low scores of the field, we see compressed ratings. For instance, a 51 in the second round rated higer (4 points) than a 50 in the first round.

I'm not sure what formula they apply to appease the "except when the wind is significantly different" scenario in the above PDGA statement. But I reckon these ratings will be recalculated before everything is said and done.
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: Loomis on March 11, 2013, 11:36:54 AM
Don't worry about the round ratings... This isn't a sport with sabermetrics. Worry about other things - more important things like throwing really, really far and making sure you own every new disc that comes out. These things are essential and will improve your game the most. My keys for success also contain a few often overlooked yet important concerns, for example; I concern myself with color coordination of my discs; and I am very concerned about my own hygiene. If more disc golfers did the same, then the ratings might be more impressive and mean something.

Loomis
1040 rated cleanliness/ 990 rated coordination
Title: Re: 2013 Rosedale Open C Tier Kansas City, KS - March 10th
Post by: jack on March 11, 2013, 11:45:14 AM
Hint for anyone chasing ratings:  Play in events(pools) with as many high rated players as possible.......
Simply put, disc golf ratings is a flawed system.

Yes, hence why playing a course in the morning during the Wide Open in the pro pool, will have higher ratings than an advanced pool on the same course with almost identical conditions.  The ratings of the people that you are playing with determine more than your actual play.

That being said though, playing where you are comfortable and feel competitive is probably more important in the long run.  Hence my decision to return to the Am side, that and I enjoy being able to choose which divisions I want to play, and having all options open......