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Title: Liberty, MO.
Post by: biscuit on January 31, 2013, 07:55:40 AM
Has anyone seen this yet?

From the City of Liberty's website:

http://www.ci.liberty.mo.us/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=2027 (http://www.ci.liberty.mo.us/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=2027)

Disc golf course coming to Stocksdale Park

Disc golf is one of the fastest growing sports, requires very little equipment, and is suited to a wide variety of fitness levels. In the next year, the Liberty community will be able to enjoy a round in Stocksdale Park.

A new Parks Partners Program is designed to assist the Parks Division in developing new amenities by partnering with local businesses. In the case of the disc golf course project, interested local businesses can sponsor a hole for $500, which is roughly the cost to construct a tee box and install the basket that serves as a hole for the FrisbeeĀ®. Sponsors will be recognized on a sign at the tee box for their partnership in the project.

Local disc golf enthusiasts have assisted Liberty Parks and Recreation in the design of the course. Construction is expected to begin in the late spring. Anyone interested in sponsoring a hole along the course should email Chris Wilson - cwilson@ci.liberty.mo.us.
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Post by: robm on January 31, 2013, 08:23:10 AM
"requires very little equipment"

Whoa - nobody told me that.  Why do I have 100 discs and 3 bags?
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Post by: andyportwood on January 31, 2013, 09:02:26 AM
"requires very little equipment"

Whoa - nobody told me that.  Why do I have 100 discs and 3 bags?

Ha! I was thinking the same thing. Obviously thewriter has never seen my garage  ::)
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Post by: Ash on January 31, 2013, 11:41:53 AM
Just because us addicts have a lot of equipment, it is not required. Still only 1 disc needed to play.  8)

Love the idea of more courses in the northland.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: ReTee on January 31, 2013, 12:51:21 PM
Now if we could just get Grandview or Belton to follow suit, I might be able to get out and play more often with my "very little equipment" which is growing steadily every month it seems.  As it is, I have to drive almost 30 mins to reach any course around.  Southern Grandview is a black hole for disc golfers.  And putting a new course in Liberty won't help. (Not that I won't still make the drive to try it out.)
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Post by: andyportwood on January 31, 2013, 01:16:01 PM
Now if we could just get Grandview or Belton to follow suit

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: sirbronco on January 31, 2013, 01:17:27 PM
Now if we could just get Grandview or Belton to follow suit, I might be able to get out and play more often with my "very little equipment" which is growing steadily every month it seems.  As it is, I have to drive almost 30 mins to reach any course around.  Southern Grandview is a black hole for disc golfers.  And putting a new course in Liberty won't help. (Not that I won't still make the drive to try it out.)

Hey ReTee,

What about Swope...I can get to Swope in about 15 minutes from the Main Street exit of 71 Hwy in Grandview.  Now, granted, that is with light to moderate traffic...heavier traffic would be longer.

Also, Raytown is going to have a DG complex coming soon, so that should be easy to get to as well.  At least that is the rumor   8)
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Ash on January 31, 2013, 01:23:06 PM
Isn't P.Hill fairly close to Belton?
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: ReTee on January 31, 2013, 02:17:52 PM
Well, now that I've highjacked the thread, I may as well respond.  :) 

Yeah, Swope is between 20 and 25mins on average.  But I rounded up.  I like to think in terms of quarter hours for drive times.  I'm weird, I know.   And P-Hill is even closer to 30mins from 71(I49)/150 which is essentially where I start from.  There's just no real direct route to get there from the NW.  The lake being there probably has something to do with that.  I could probably get to both those courses faster, but I have an aversion to speeding tickets.

As for the Raytown course rumors, that'd be nice, but rumors have been all I found down here.  I've heard rumors of a Raymore course in the works and also rumors of a Belton course in the works.  Not seen anything moving on those, or I'd volunteer for work days to make it happen.

Where I think the best place for a majors-quality course would be Longview Lake.  All sorts of terrain, trees, trails and fingerlets of water to throw over, but if a course were possible there, surely someone would have made that happen by now.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Utz on January 31, 2013, 02:18:31 PM
Southern Grandview is a black hole for everyone :\
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: eeastwood on January 31, 2013, 02:40:10 PM
First, way to go Liberty. 

I am working on a course in Raymore.  We are targeting 2014 for funding/installation, but as these things go it could be delayed or may not happen.  However, I very optimistic that we will move forward.  I also have heard of a joint project between Belton school district and Belton Parks & Rec department for another course.  I believe that one is part of a grant, but I haven't heard the details lately.  ReTee, do you live in Grandview or Belton?  I can give you some advice as to how go about asking for a course or get the ball rolling in your community.  Just give me a shout, we can meet up to play a round and talk about it. 
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Kelly Markum on January 31, 2013, 02:49:18 PM
Southern Grandview is a black hole for everyone :\

HAAA!
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: ReTee on January 31, 2013, 02:59:46 PM
ReTee, do you live in Grandview or Belton?  I can give you some advice as to how go about asking for a course or get the ball rolling in your community.  Just give me a shout, we can meet up to play a round and talk about it.

Eric, I'm Brian Collier; Josh's friend.  I live just north of the Grandview/Belton line (155th st)  So I'm still in Grandview, residentially speaking.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: eeastwood on January 31, 2013, 03:23:48 PM
hey Brian, did you have fun at the icebowl.  I thought it might be someone I knew, just didn't know your handle on here.  We'll talk some time soon. 
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: andyportwood on January 31, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
Brian, if you need some help working over city hall I live in north Grandview and have thought that Longview would be a perfect area, topography and vegetation wise.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Old Pike Mike on January 31, 2013, 04:18:44 PM
Excellent news!   Does anyone know who helped with the design?   Admiral Stocksdale  has a nice park.   I hope they make it challenging enough. 
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: ian on February 11, 2013, 10:08:16 AM
I spoke with the Liberty Parks Manager about the course and he was able to provide a little more information on the course. They don't have a lot of money for a course designer, so they're looking to meet with anyone interested in providing feedback on the course. I believe he's contacted Theiss for some guidance. If all 18 holes are sponsored than they plan to break ground in May.

Here is an aerial view of the current mock up. There are flags on each hole currently if anyone wants to go over there and check it out. It looks to be a pretty open course, but they're just working with what space they have.

(http://i.imgur.com/II8lyKX.jpg)
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: ian on April 12, 2013, 09:14:02 AM
Updated course map thanks to Jon Theiss! Should be a b%tchin course when it's done. Alternate pads, multiple pins, open bombers and par 4 woods holes!

(http://i.imgur.com/Wey29FT.jpg)
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: AStomps on April 12, 2013, 08:38:37 PM
looks super open like cliff back 9 or SMP
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: biscuit on May 15, 2013, 09:10:08 AM
Anyone know how this course is coming along?

Clint
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on May 15, 2013, 12:51:01 PM
most of the rough cutting is complete.  some holes have been giving the final cut.  Removal of debris, stumps, and brush is left on 1/4 of the holes. Ivy still needs to be treated on holes in the woods  or that play near woods.  Originally they were shooting for June 1st.  However,  the course changed dramatically from original route and the new course has demanded much unanticipated work.  And as we know, most park dept are thin so they are working hard at balancing current projects and obligations, along with dedicating time and machinery to this project.

  Course will open this summer.  With the help and direction of so many golfers, it  should be fun for all types of golfers and has woods, wind, and water.  we are pushing for alternate pads to even shorten things up for the casuals and families of Liberty. 

john
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: rockiesfan4ever on June 13, 2013, 11:38:13 AM
Any update on how this course is coming along? It's right by my house and can't wait to go try it out.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on June 13, 2013, 12:12:05 PM
I would look more to the end of the summer or early fall.  parks and rec got nailed with all the rain and have been playing catch up since.  they started the season off under staffed.  There has been work done by golfers recently. Ted Keith has been a force and can be contacted for future of the volunteer work. He also has a list of things that could be done if you are interested in helping rockiesfan43ver.

Here was a list that was sent to Chris Wilson of parks and rec if you are looking for things to do. Please do not remove any trees that are on the fairways even if marked.  Any help is greatly appreciated.  It would be nice for the disc golfers to make their presence felt, just like ERTA has done.  Those guys put in close to 6 miles of  single track with out the help of the park staff.   Any and all help from the disc golf community demonstrates our commitment to the park  is proves that we are a valued partner, just like ERTA. 


#2 Walking path from #2 tee to basket over dam needs to be cleaned all the way out opening up into hole #3 edge of fairway

#3  Lots of ivy. Near the tee looking at towards the  basket, there is a tree with  Green Tape that needs to be cut out. Everything on outside edge, outside the tree gap players throw thru needs to be cleaned out, but do not cut out areas that would allow players to use another gap besides one given.  Plus a spot near neighbors fence will need to be brushogged out so machines can get down to form #3's tee pad.  This hole will also need some sort of stair, rocks, steps to get to the tee after playing hole 2.  Or you can clean behind the dam and make a walking path from #2 to #3 tee.

#4  Around the tee needs to be cleaned up.  Around the trees near gully needs extra brush hog work since discs will be flying all around the tree gully area.

#5  lots of ivy under power lines. 

#6 clean up hole, move brush to the side, cut out new growth resprouting  that was cut out this spring.

#7  good 

#8 good

#9 lots of ivy along both sides of hole and just everywhere. 

#10 ivy along tree stand on right. 

#11 Ivy outside the trees. I never cut out the walking path to get to the rubble that was dropped and left.

#12 ivy in front of teepad  and located throughout the hole. 

#13 lots of ivy on outside of woods, some inside woods.  Lots of debris that needs to be mulched.  we cleaned the hole up so mowers could get in and mow.  there could also be some dirt work done or else it will be difficult to mow middle of fairway.

#14 Tee pad needs to brush hogged.

#15   cut out and remove all the stumps i cut out during the rough cut.  gather brush .  i have spent a lot of time on 15 and 6.  Path  needs to be cleaned to 16  and bridge. 

#16 ivy in wood line along fields/dam.  i would also like to brush hog everything up to the conservation tree line.  that is a lot more brush hogging but it will be necessary.  We also talked about planting trees.

#17 cleaning up dropped debris.  ivy treatment

#18 looks good.  planting a tree.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: biscuit on June 13, 2013, 12:43:03 PM
Are there any tee pads/baskets yet or do you need a map to walk the course layout?

Clint
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on June 13, 2013, 03:08:27 PM
no tee pads yet.  baskets will go in first and we will play from grass and test tee locations.  moving a basket anchor is a lot easier than moving a tee pad.  use the map that posted above. 
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: thankyoupeter on August 06, 2013, 09:40:40 PM
Are the baskets in yet? If not, what kind of timeframe is there for installation.  Thanks!
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Post by: KHud06 on August 30, 2013, 01:47:58 PM
Update, i talked to somebody at parks and rec yours morning and they told me some of there seasonal help went back to college so toons were going a little slow but  development was still under way, she couldn't give me a time frame unfortunately.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Aaron on August 30, 2013, 02:18:49 PM
Just played that course for the first time this week. Fun little 9 hole'r.
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Post by: dickthediscparker on August 30, 2013, 03:24:40 PM
They are talking about Stocksdale Park. You are referring to William Jewel College's 9 hole course.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on August 31, 2013, 10:44:43 AM
After talking with several of the top  park personnel, i strongly encouraged and we decided that it would be best to seed  the disturbed areas and let the seed take hold over the winter and open next Spring.  This also allows them to continue working on spraying ivy, pushing back more areas, fine tuning, and getting the course looking really good for the Spring.  the course is coming along nicely and we made a big push with large excavator a couple weeks ago.  Much work was done on the lower pond.

There will be 8 permanent long gold baskets, however 1 gold basket will be shared between 2 holes giving 9 long gold holes that will never be moved from long placements. So there will be technically two courses to play, a 9 hole gold course and a 18 hole blue level course.  My intention was to provide an experience that offers several choices for players.  With 9 long options, players will not get bored if baskets do not get moved  or course is set short for winter.  7 of the gold baskets locations are  2 shot holes  giving players something else besides par 3 golf.  Also very happy to share that the course will have 14 Red level tee pads for beginners as well.  With the elevation, water, woods, and wind, Stocksdale will have plenty to offer.   
Title: Re: Stocksdale Park, Liberty, MO.
Post by: CD on September 02, 2013, 05:37:15 PM
John, you may have heard this before but... THANK YOU for making a difference! Your insight, energy, and enthusiasm ROC 8) Now I (and others) will have four courses (along with Cliff Drive, BV, and Yates) within 20 minutes from home!
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jack on September 03, 2013, 08:48:40 AM
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Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: biscuit on November 26, 2013, 07:42:22 AM
I see tee pads!
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Post by: john theiss on November 26, 2013, 04:20:24 PM
most pads are in.  only a few left.  course was looking really nice this Fall.  all of the disrupted areas were seeded and we the seed took hold and grew well. 
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Post by: tmattoon on November 26, 2013, 07:16:06 PM
Is this course playable with baskets and most tee pads?
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Post by: dickthediscparker on November 27, 2013, 12:21:23 AM
No. This course will not be in the ground until March 2014. They are trying to let the grass grow in areas.
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Post by: tmattoon on March 17, 2014, 01:23:53 PM
So what's the deal with this course? No playing still?
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Post by: jhinck2 on March 17, 2014, 01:54:39 PM
John and the Liberty parks & rec department have made quite a bit of progress, but it is not yet playable.  I will let John speak to the outlook, but there aren't pins in the ground yet nor are all the teepads complete at this point in time.  Stay tuned, this is going to be a pretty sweet course!
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Post by: tmattoon on March 17, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
Cool. Thanks for the info.
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Post by: john theiss on March 18, 2014, 07:51:16 AM
Getting closer. Not sure yet on exact date. I will post more info when i know something.  Jordan sure shredded it up the other day.
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Post by: biscuit on May 15, 2014, 05:05:23 PM
I see baskets!
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Post by: jhinck2 on May 21, 2014, 04:10:03 PM
My brother went out there today to have a look around.  There are some baskets in on the front nine, but fairways haven't been mowed and it's pretty tall.  Also, there are some teepads that aren't done yet either.  I wouldn't take the drive out there until John or someone confirms it is complete.
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Post by: biscuit on May 21, 2014, 08:37:25 PM
Agree. I walked it the other day and was only able/willing to play a few holes. Soon enough I'm sure.
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Post by: CD on June 09, 2014, 08:49:51 AM
Howz it looking? I drove north on MO-291 going to eat Friday night in Liberty and saw the sign for Stocksdale Park... is there an opening event scheduled?
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on June 09, 2014, 10:46:03 AM
6 tee pads left to be constructed.  They were the more difficult ones on slopes, in woods, tree stumps in way etc. lots of mowing now with all the rain so they are spread thin with other responsibilities.   

Sometime this summer it should be open. 
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Post by: CD on June 09, 2014, 12:26:30 PM
6 tee pads left to be constructed.  They were the more difficult ones on slopes, in woods, tree stumps in way etc. lots of mowing now with all the rain so they are spread thin with other responsibilities.   

Sometime this summer it should be open.

Are tee signs and benches part of the initial rollout?

Thanks John! Keep on ROC'n !!
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on June 09, 2014, 02:57:05 PM
tee signs yes.  benches i am not sure, but we have talked about it.  they have some old metal bencheds dumped there onsite.  they only need  new wood seats added.  they still have concrete slab attached.  i believe i counted around 6 which would be a welcome addition. 
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Post by: justactnormal on June 11, 2014, 03:25:09 PM
Thanks for the hard work John.  This should be really nice when done.  Tee signs are going to be crucial.  Even though I walked it last year, I forgot what was where and got all turned around.  It looks different than it did last summer.

I went out this past Saturday and tagged along with a group of random kids that said that they heard the course was supposed to open June 1st. It was fun even though we couldn't find our way around very well.

Head's up to anyone that does venture out there.... Poison Ivy is everywhere it could possibly be.  Along every path and pad in the woods and in and around all the treelines.  Basically everywhere that's not in the full sun.  I think I saw the biggest patch of shrub type growth around  what will be 18 that I've ever seen.  Almost hip high there and creeping around every path in the woods.   I've got to assume that control measures will be put in place, no?

I saw two yellow baskets, but mostly blue.  Are the blue going to be the course baskets and yellow warm-ups?
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jhinck2 on June 11, 2014, 03:32:14 PM
Hope John doesn't mind that I chime in here.  The yellow baskets are actually the "gold" placements.  Normal holes will play to blue pins, but for those that want to stretch the course out a bit, the gold basket may be used.  There will be 8 gold baskets total on the course, and one of them will be used for two separate holes.  This makes for 9 total holes that will have a "gold" placements available.  If I remember correctly, the holes with "gold" placements are as follows:  3, 5, 6, 8 (same as #3), 10, 12, 16 & 18.  My favorite hole with the gold placement will be hole #5.  It's a crush turnover shot followed by another 300+ feet to the basket from the landing area - AWESOME.  Can't wait for this course to be done.  And if I know John, the poison ivy will be taken care of in due time.  The course isn't complete and manicured yet, just needs some time and TLC.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: justactnormal on June 13, 2014, 12:10:52 PM
Aha, that helps.

It was tough to figure out when I was out there.

Earlier in the post, I believe, John said 6 pads left to be put in.  Any idea which pads/pins are in place now?  If I knew that, it's be possible to hop/skip around and play the holes that are in place.  No need to worry about there not being a pad poured if there's a basket to throw to.

Muchas Gracias.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: DiscDisc Byrd on July 04, 2014, 08:34:59 PM
Is the new liberty course open for play yet?  Haven't heard anything on here lately about it. Someone has to know. Whats the word. Thanxs
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on July 05, 2014, 10:48:45 AM
Not open yet.  They have two workers assigned to finish the last few things, but those two workers were pulled off the course.  Folks have to be patient.  Disc golf is high on all of our priorities, but often times the park departments have several projects going on, get pulled to help with the city workers, mowing etc and disc golf gets pushed back.  Courses that require work are usually worth the wait and they are getting close if the 2 workers do not get pulled  in the next couple weeks.  Meaning..... course may not have all amenities in place, but baskets and pads are likely to be installed soon.

They are working really hard and  if you are out there playing some of the holes and see Tom and Nick from the Liberty P&R  working, let em know how much you appreciate their hard work.   

Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: DiscDisc Byrd on July 05, 2014, 08:45:47 PM
Thanks for the info John. 
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on July 06, 2014, 07:05:44 PM
i was out today doing some cutting and ran into the crew chief for the parks dept.  He is getting pulled after this week on the course to work on another project so it will likely be longer than the two weeks i posted earlier. 


Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on July 25, 2014, 07:59:25 PM
Although the course will not officially open until  Oct, all 18 blue baskets are now in.   But there are still 6 long pads not finished on holes 2,3, 7, 8, 12, and 14.  One gold basket is still not installed on hole 12.  Still making a couple minor tweaks with OB mowing on holes 10 and 18 Gold.  However, rest of the course is mowed out nice and wide and  losing discs in tall grass should not be a problem.  The course looks amazing and was sprayed for ivy 2 times recently.  The ivy is still noticeable in spots but the mowing and spraying has helped to knock it down.  Grass is also growing nicely in disturbed areas.  If you happened to see this park before all the work, you will be impressed with the transformation.

Tom and Nick from the parks dept have been working extremely hard and they are both getting the disc bug.  I gave them 5 discs a couple weeks ago and they test out the holes regularly.  After they throw(good or bad) they take notes on areas where they went in to that need more brush hogging/mowing.  It has been extremely fun working alongside these guys this summer.  It took them very little time to understand what we want the course to look like.  We have been lucky to have a couple park workers who 100% embrace the project and sport. Below is an email link in case you want to send the parks dept a note thanking them for their effort, time and resources dedicated to this project.

parks@ci.liberty.mo.us

John




Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Psychoholic on July 25, 2014, 08:29:28 PM
Awesome!! I went out a few weeks ago just to mess around its a nice course they did a hell of a job lost a couple discs but that's what I get for playing a unfinished course lol... If anyone sees my pro Starfire from the lions den open from 05 I would be very great full to get it back...
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: GMattoon on July 28, 2014, 09:18:10 AM
My son and I played this course twice Saturday, and once Sunday.  This will probably quickly become my favorite course.  I love the layout.  Nice mix of trees, open shots, elevation changes.  Really like having Gold pins so you can mix it up.  Great design, John.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: tmattoon on July 29, 2014, 10:39:35 AM
I made a rough map of the course so it'd be easier to get around but I counted 19 holes out there. Also, some long pads and one gold basket are not in yet I believe.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jhinck2 on July 29, 2014, 10:43:38 AM
Hey Tyler,

You've combined hole 6 into two holes.  All three of those baskets are for the same hole (two blue and one gold).  The pin that is in the tree stump has to stay put, so that's why it is confusing.  Hole 6 is a public par 5 and pro par 4 to the gold pin. 

Also, a majority of the holes have two blue pin placements.  John may have a better map that he can post on here at his convenience, but the one you posted does show the correct general flow (with the exception of hole 6). 
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Bill the TD on July 29, 2014, 11:10:08 AM
I am excited about the new course but do we have an address or an updated map yet?
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jhinck2 on July 29, 2014, 11:18:00 AM
Tyler's map is right with the exception noted above.  Just have to adjust the hole #'s accordingly.

The address is:
901 South La Frenz Road, Liberty, MO 64068
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Post by: tmattoon on July 29, 2014, 11:36:51 AM
Okay. Thanks Jordan the two blue baskets are what confused me. Also, they are already moving baskets. I know 18 has been moved around already.
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Post by: tmattoon on July 29, 2014, 11:59:45 AM
My map should be fixed now. All of the alternate pins I have seen are close enough you'd be able to figure out what hole they were based off this map.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: tmattoon on July 29, 2014, 12:01:33 PM
The blue dots are the normal baskets and the yellow dots are the gold pins for those of you who haven't played the course yet. They will both be in all the time and are actually painted blue and yellow.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on July 29, 2014, 12:25:03 PM
Nice map Tyler.  Hole 2 has 2 tee pads though.  One is not finished and throws over the water. it is marked with some flags and is behind the brush pile shielding it from #1's basket.

a couple pins were pulled accidentally by the park workers.  i marked a couple spots for some new pins that were added and they pulled a couple of the old- 18 was one hole and 10.   

Blue level course with 18 blue pins.  Course has 14 red level tees and painted red at some point.  Holes that do not have a red tee are likely short and tight (and do not need one).  Plus 9 gold holes when throwing off blue tees to gold baskets.  So...idea is to give ALL types of players  options, just like in ball golf. 
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jhinck2 on July 29, 2014, 12:33:57 PM
It's also worth noting that the following holes have two "blue" placements:

1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17 & 18.  I don't think I missed any did I John?
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on July 29, 2014, 01:08:11 PM
It's also worth noting that the following holes have two "blue" placements:

1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17 & 18.  I don't think I missed any did I John?

hole 10( to the left in the tree line not cleared out or installed yet)
hole 14 on the other side of the dog leg that be reached with good 350 drive with  left to right finish
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: justactnormal on July 31, 2014, 05:11:59 PM
Chris from Liberty Parks and Rec emailed me this map this afternoon and let me know that the course is now playable, but signage is not yet up.

It's hard to see the alt pins and gold baskets on the legend, but you can make them out on the map.

I'm sure that the signs that will be put up on the course will be much more clear.

Hooray!  And many thanks for all the hard work, guys!



DANGIT!  I can't attach the file b/c it says the file size is too large. 

Any advice on how to post the pic??

Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: tedkeith on July 31, 2014, 09:24:55 PM
Just a few more pads need to be poured. Five or six more have been put in this week. Three still has none as of today. Some bozo couldn't stand not being first and climbed over orange cones and yellow tape to throw from 14 long pad while it was still wet, forever leaving their mark.  >:(

Had a talk with a couple of bikers regarding the trails and course. Hopefully everyone will be aware and we won't have any major issues. There are some spots where things could happen for sure.

The course is looking beautiful and I have been enjoying what is there. My problem has been only throwing one drive per hole with so many multiple pins and pads.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: biscuit on August 01, 2014, 02:10:44 PM
Any chance Stocksdale will be affiliated with KCFDC or is it going on the non-affiliated list? Just curious.

Clint
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on August 02, 2014, 08:33:46 AM
This will likely be a  KCFDC course.  In the beginning planning/designing  stages, i was not representing the club in any way, however, i always made it clear my support and involvement with the club.  Liberty wants a partnership and they see the value in it, just like with ERTA and  the horseshoes group at Stocksdale.

I believe they have been in contact with Jordan Hinck about running a league and i know that they have Ben C's number.  Jordan is ready to start running a  league and since all pads but 2  are in(3 and 15 long), league could likely start up very quickly if all parties come to some sort of arrangement. 

If you have played the course and  enjoy it or appreciate all of their work, please remember that a simple email thanking them goes a very, very long way.   
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: justactnormal on August 04, 2014, 04:40:20 PM
I emailed Liberty parks with my thanks last week and encourage others to do the same.  I definitely appreciate all the hard work that went into getting this done.  This will be my new home course and I couldn't be more excited.

John, it's clear that you had a vision for how you'd like this course to be and worked very hard to make that happen.  You could have just stuck some holes out there any old kind of way, but all the planning and deliberate effort to incorporate all the elements that you did will make this a great course.  It will have been worth the wait.

I was out on Saturday and saw at least 4-5 other groups while I was on the course, which was great.  Word's already gotten out that this is going to be a great course and since it's a mixed use park, I think a lot of people will get introduced to the game that they might not have otherwise. 

Great job!
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on August 04, 2014, 05:09:26 PM
I appreciate your kind words.  I want courses to have something for everyone.  That is how we grow the game and keep the course full of users. There have been several disc golfers who shared their vision out there as well.  It is always a team effort and should be. 

So....thanks to these folks as well for sharing their vision or physically helping with work days
Dick Parker
Dan Loomis and Minna
Ted Keith
Tracy Walker
Jordan Hinck
Ian Stone
Todd Hall

And if you live in Independence or even near it please consider showing your support on August 12th at 6pm at the Sermon Center.  Jordan Hinck has been working very hard building that relationship with the park dept, staying in constant contact, doing powerpoints/spreadsheets/maps, and representing KC disc golf community in a such professional manner.  We have some great tracks of land being considered so we need folks to show up and prove that disc golf is desired for Independence.

Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Zier on August 04, 2014, 10:10:39 PM
Is the course fully set up now? Looking forward to coming out and playing it some time.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on August 05, 2014, 08:17:39 AM
If fully set up means all 18 baskets then yes.  A couple tees are still missing along with tee signs.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jhinck2 on August 05, 2014, 08:18:32 AM
Is the course fully set up now? Looking forward to coming out and playing it some time.

There are a few finishing touches to be done, but the course is definitely playable.  There are 18 baskets for the normal positions, and I believe all but one (if not all) of the gold baskets are in as well.  There is also potentially one or two tee pads yet to be complete.  In any event, it's still very much so set up for use and mowed.  I encourage anyone to get out there and play it! 

And I would like to emphasize the meeting that John mentioned.  We're trying very hard to get Independence on board with the disc golf expansion out east.  Blue Springs, Lee's Summit, Liberty, Pleasant Hill and Raymore all now have (or will have very soon) championship courses.  Independence has some prime real estate and we want to show that we are an active and present group in Independence and Kansas City as a whole.  As John said, if you live in Independence or nearby, please do your best to attend this meeting.  It will be held a week from today at the Sermon Center in Independence at 6:00.  Thanks for your support!
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Shucky Ducky on August 08, 2014, 02:54:11 PM
WOOHOO...I just mapped where this course is and it is 2.14 miles from my bothers house on Mockingbird Lane! SWEET!! Can't wait for road trips to come up and see the family now. lol  :o ;D
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jamidanger on August 08, 2014, 03:09:33 PM
you'll need this map, better with a guide that knows the course

http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8712.0;attach=782;image (http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8712.0;attach=782;image)
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: CD on August 08, 2014, 04:24:57 PM
WOOHOO...I just mapped where this course is and it is 2.14 miles from my bothers house on Mockingbird Lane! SWEET!! Can't wait for road trips to come up and see the family now. lol  :o ;D

Let's call it the "Mocking Bird" course to play along with the "Birdland" moniker at Lake Olathe. "Birdland" just sounds so... easy.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: tmattoon on August 10, 2014, 05:50:48 PM
Here is an updated map with more short pads and alternate pins. I'm sure I missed some of the extra pins and will have to update it again
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: tmattoon on August 10, 2014, 05:51:39 PM
I have a version that is bigger and looks a lot sharper but you can only attach super small files on here
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: BenC on August 14, 2014, 09:50:47 AM
Update from the political side.  The KCFDC board approved (insert course name here) at Stocksdale Park in Liberty as an official club course.  We are working on a memorandum of understanding with Parks & Recreation now.

At this time I am looking for a course coordinator.  If you are interested in this position please let me know.  We will get together and talk about what a coordinator does.  The course is not complete and John will continue to oversee that part.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jhinck2 on August 14, 2014, 09:57:07 AM
PM sent
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: biscuit on August 14, 2014, 11:30:04 AM
I know there are probably others interested. But I would be willing to listen to what all is involved.

Clint
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Steve the Quiz Berry on August 14, 2014, 02:16:42 PM
 :o. Stocksdale....sounds like a place in Arizona
How bout..
Jessie's place
Jessie's Revenge
Or something original..instead of Stocksdale..
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: LibertyParks on August 21, 2014, 08:57:23 AM
Hey guys, this is Chris Wilson with Liberty Parks.
We need to decide on a name for the course.  Here are the latest "trending" names. I need your feedback ASAP.

Bad Rock Creek Disc Golf Course (Lewis and Clark called nearby Rush Creek "Creek of the Bad Rock")
Trailbender DGC  (lots of winding trails at the park)
Expedition DGC  (for Lewis and Clark)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jhinck2 on August 21, 2014, 09:04:42 AM
Trailbender is catchy.  I like it Chris.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: biscuit on August 21, 2014, 09:07:57 AM
I like Bad Rock and Trailbender is not bad. Either one would be cool.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: Bill the TD on August 21, 2014, 09:09:39 AM
I also like Bad Rock Creek.

Bill
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: BenC on August 21, 2014, 10:17:03 AM
Bad Rock Creek

It sound cool and I like the historical significance.

Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jhinck2 on August 21, 2014, 10:20:05 AM
Time to hit up the BRC!  I can foresee if becoming an acronym quickly, but I like it!
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: pmart on August 21, 2014, 10:21:13 AM
Bad Rock Creek is my vote.  Trailbender is my #2.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: otter on August 21, 2014, 05:00:06 PM
Is this course capable of being badazz = as in challenging?  If so...then Bad Rock gets my vote.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on August 24, 2014, 06:12:12 PM
All tee pads are complete except long 15 and there is a temp fly pad there.  They will be back filling the pads that are above grade soon so that will help with run ups.   

#12 Gold pin is in.  It is fun!  That hole is an old tree nursery for the parks dept.  It reminds you of playing a mountain course or course with pines with the nice symmetry  among all the trees on the right.


Course is on a strict mowing schedule.  Tall grass plays OB and there are plans to eventually turn all tall grass areas into natural prairie with flowers etc.  Grass is not too tight and very generous on many holes even if you are a beginner.
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: justactnormal on August 25, 2014, 03:10:04 PM
Bad Rock just doesn't sound like a good thing. 

Expedition is not too bad, but there's nothing wrong with Stocksdale Park DGC, IMO.


Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: jhinck2 on September 02, 2014, 08:02:33 AM
UPDATE:  I played 27 holes out at Liberty over the course of the last weekend, and the course is looking great.  There are still no tee signs, but that is in the works as well as some work to be done around the teepads I believe (hole 7 needs it for the run up on the anny route).  Hole 15 does not yet have a concrete long pad, but there is a flypad on the ground to throw off of.  All baskets are in. 

NOTE: You will see a couple spots on the course where there are white or red flags sticking out of the ground.  This are areas where the mowers are being instructed to let the grass grow to build a "natural" OB.  Any tall grass will likely be painted OB for any tournaments and we would encourage you to play it as such in your casual rounds.  There are other areas which will likely be painted OB, but the spots with flags at this point are hole 3 gold, hole 8 gold, hole 10 gold and hole 18 gold.  However, all tall grass will likely be OB in a tournament. 
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: KCDiscDawg on September 02, 2014, 07:59:10 PM
Was great to see all the DG'rs come out to Liberty and play yesterday.. Everyone I asked how they liked the course, was smiling from ear to ear! I really like the OB's to be in play also...Its tough hunt in some of that grass, I even went wading, oops!
Title: Re: Liberty, MO.
Post by: john theiss on September 05, 2014, 11:56:52 AM
Update from Nick at parks & rec:
Most long pads are back filled with gravel
All wooded areas mowed out
Spraying and reseeding are next on the list ( lots of spraying thus far and they have committed to knocking out the remaining ivy)
Kiosk arrived but posts to hang it on has  not been shipped yet
The open areas continue to be mowed regularly and players will not have to worry about tall grass unless you go way off course

If you see the park guys working say hello.  They are making the course a priority and showing it major love.  It is nice having several allies in the parks department.