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Title: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on March 31, 2013, 06:58:24 PM
Cooper Arnold is correct - This is the hardest course in the "accepted" Kansas City Area. I would go so far as to claim that it rivals many top ten courses in any region of the country.

Directions:
Take I 70 West to the HWY 24 exit in Lawrence. Go north and follow HWY 24 to Perry, KS. Turn Right on Ferguson Road. You will twist and turn for 8 miles or so. Turn LEFT on 89th street. 89th slowly bends left into Hamilton Road. Stay on Hamilton for a mile or two and you will see the baskets and then the parking lot.

The Course: Presently set in the "Championship" level settings. Par... 60 plus. There are a few natural "2s" in this setting - Very few. The lucky soul may throw one in from distance, or find a prayer line and give themselves a chance, but to be honest, not many people will be that lucky.

And... to offset the typical doubt which surrounds my reviews of courses, today Joe Hesting (tick magnet) - a much better player than myself - played this course with us. He had already played the course so he knew what he was getting himself into during his second round. He dueced one hole (Hole 15). He was using a new putter for the second round and possibly could have dueced other holes, but it wasn't to be. That said, let the review begin.

The first impression: This is Flip City in Kansas. It's almost identical with a few minor differences. Flip City is actually more wide open. Flip City is a man's backyard at his house. Flip City has more duece chances. In time, there may be more dueces, but lines will need to open up.

It's still rough around the edges, and some of the basket placements are somewhat arbitrary and not necessarily cruel enough to match the nature of this course. There are only two holes where putting is dangerous, the rest of the placements are too safe - in my opinion.

A lot - and I mean close to a bajillion hours -  of work has been put into this course to make it look good. The pads are in. Most of fairways are for the most part, defined. There are well-made bridges installed. Benches. One or two trash cans. The baskets are in and the course is as Cooper described. It's tough. Every hole has either an extreme elevation change, a tunnel, a valley, water, distance or all of the them at the same time. Every uphill shot is a tunnel shot and turns blindly. Every time you drive these holes, getting half way up the hill only gets you half way to the hole.

Most shots are blind and judging distance to the baskets is tough. Again, the course is presently set in the Championship settings; it's early in the year; the trees haven't filled out and the grass is low, so in a few months, this course is going to be even tougher (if the baskets stay where they are). Leaves will make this course darker, cast more shadows, and lines you can see now will be swallowed up by the shadows. Go play it now if you want to score in the 60's. Add ten strokes with full foliage.

The grounds are rough. There are a lot of burn piles scattered about (easily over 75) but time will erase them. There are rock piles, rock walls, and rocky cliffs - All of which concern me. Not because of disc health, but because I hate snakes and they will be an issue. They also make getting around a pain as you have to climb over most of them or play off of them. Most of the fairways will get stomped down but there are still some trees which will need cutting down to make some of the holes more playable. There are a ridiculous amount of trees. Several holes have no line whatsoever. I will let you pass your own judgement on this issue, but I didn't see them. It's not that I haven't seen holes where the lines are tiny (think Blue Spring's Young Park) but they are typically shorter holes and don't require a full drive - this course requires full drives. I will say that if you can throw thumbers you will be in heaven out here. Going up and over is going to cut strokes off your score. Even with the leaves, there are lines in the sky for the lucky few.

You will also need every single disc you have in the bag. This isn't a driver-putter course. There is a need for overstable, understable, and stable in driver, midrange and putter. You will need them all. You have shots that go straight up hill 300 feet blind to the left, or blind to the right. You have down hill bombers that must travel 400 feet through a generous tunnel. There are short holes, long holes, high risk birdie holes which also have safer routes.

Traditionally, if you mess up your drive on a course you can save par and you're not penalized for the miscue. Here, if you mess up your drive, add a stroke or two. Very rarely will a mess up be rewarded. You will need to hit your line.

I would now like to say that the main issue I have with the course "at this time" is that the course needs FEWER trees. Hole 2 is perfect the way it is, but holes 4, 7, 8, 9, 12, 16, 17 and 18 will need some grooming to make them more playable. Hole 12 is presently a legit par 5 or 6 with the number of trees. A few less and it's a four.

The rest of the course... I am going to leave to you to discover. It's beautiful out there and it will only get better.

The basic info you will need to know:

* It's not for beginners (in these settings). Pros will score in the 60's so a new player will easily score in the 80's or better. Don't be discouraged, it's worth it to see it.
* It will take two plus hours the first round, more if you miss the lines.
* It's not quite ready for carts, though you could do it. You will have to carry the cart at times. Not comfortably.
* There are no clear walking paths between holes, or ON a few holes so you will have to plow through some rough to get around. This is a problem on the holes where you have to walk downhill. If you have bad knees, ankles, etc. take your time.
* There are ticks out.
* You will be required to climb down, around and up rocky hillsides.
* There is a sneaky creek and a pond which will swallow your disc. (hole 16's pin is ten feet from a creek you can't see until you're at the basket)
* Some of the tee pads are near baskets or fairways for other holes, keep your eyes open.
* From some teepads you will see two or more baskets.

Here is some helpful information:

     On Hole 1, the basket is to the right behind the pines.
     On Hole 2, it's a long tunnel.
(next pad - turn around, behind you to the left)
     On Hole 3, it's up hill to the far, far left. It's a par 5 - that far.
     On Hole 4, it's straight ahead, there is a teeny weeny line. One will eventually have to be carved out of the woods.
     On Hole 5, it's a downhill crusher. Empty the bag.
     On Hole 6, it's uphill to the left. Half way up the hill is half way to the basket.
     On Hole 7, it's across the ravine. Again, no real line.
     On Hole 8, it's the basket to the left. There are three you can see, but play the one to the far left.
     On Hole 9, it's downhill to the right. There are two "lines" - a narrow tunnel to the right; and a straight ahead line which is safer but eliminates any chance of a birdie. But yes, the basket is to to the right. The basket straight off the pad is the practice basket but should be the pin.
     On Hole 10, it's to the right. (hint: not as far as it looks)
     On Hole 11, it's uphill to the left.
     On Hole 12, it's downhill to the right. FAR, far away. Just go for it. When you get up to your drive you will see the basket 400 feet away in a clearing past the trees. Yeah, it's that one. Again, no line here.
     On Hole 13, it's a dogleg to the right. Straight for 300 then sharp right for another 200.
The next pad is next to 16's pad. 14 is the one to the right.
     On Hole 14, it's straight ahead on the far side of the ravine. Thumber's Paradise.
     On Hole 15, it's across the pond to the left.
Next pad is above the pin, up the hill by 14's pad.
     On Hole 16, it's downhill and to the extreme left at the end of the field by the road. New lines will need to be made. Empty the bag.
     On Hole 17, it's to the left, across the creek by the road. The vines will be an issue.
     On Hole 18, it's straight ahead and then to the left in the field by the parking lot.

I think this is a great course and again, only time will tell how it will hold up. It will need grooming and attention to make it more manageable, but I have a feeling that's going to happen really soon.

I have pictures I will post for each hole as soon as I figure out how to do that.



Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: robm on March 31, 2013, 07:38:21 PM
Thanks Loomis,

If you wanted to, pictures can be added here:

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/media.php?id=6113&mode=media (http://www.dgcoursereview.com/media.php?id=6113&mode=media)

You can also add your review to the DGCR site, or if you want, I'll cut and paste it for you.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on March 31, 2013, 08:11:30 PM
I have a folder. I can email them to you.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: coops on March 31, 2013, 09:04:14 PM
Hole 4: Yeah, it could stand to lose a tree or two, but there is a line, it is just very tight right now. I hit it on my first time through but missed horribly the second time.

Hole 7: I think the line is bigger for Lefties/Forehands. Not as bad/tight as 4

Hole 8: Definitely a line there. I wouldn't lost anything

Hole 9: I think that one could stand to have the upper ceiling of the tunnels raised. The actual trees aren't a problem, but the feelers up there are.

Hole 12: Fine just the way it is, I mean, I got a three on it! Ok, ok, on the second shot I could stand to see a tree or two removed. I don't think the goal should be to get it to a par 4, but to keep it at 5 while making it more fair. This is a great hole.

Hole 16: Yeah, just trimming the feelers might be enough.

Hole 17: The gap is pretty big if you have a great throw and get the D right.

Hole 18: Yep, needs to be cleaned up.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on March 31, 2013, 11:09:39 PM
Let's give this a try.

The Pics.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/94827379@N00/sets/72157633138919020/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/94827379@N00/sets/72157633138919020/)
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: andyportwood on March 31, 2013, 11:51:36 PM
Thanks for all the pics. That course looks AWESOME!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 01, 2013, 08:46:06 AM
Okay. I'm not that tech savvy. Scroll through the pictures in reverse.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: robm on April 01, 2013, 09:25:07 AM
Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm picking up you don't want to jack with DGCR.  If so, over the next week, I'll add the pics and your review to DGCR if you are ok with that.

For the rating, would you give it a:

5 best of best
4.5 phenomenal
4 excellent
3.5 very good
3 good
2.5 decent/typical
2 reasonable
1.5 passable
1 poor
0.5 bad
0 abysmal

Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: TPalmer on April 01, 2013, 09:35:11 AM
Thanks for the review and pics...this course looks brutal.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 01, 2013, 09:44:12 AM
Feel free to add it to whatever you'd like.

4 for the level of challenge. This will go up to 4.5 when the course is completed.
3 for the present state of the course, and will be a 4.

It has no tee signs and it can be confusing to navigate. I gave you a guide to help.

Distances.  Roughly estimated if you follow the fairways and not a direct line from pad to pin.
1. 340
2. 400
3. 750
4. 550
5. 650
6. 550
7. 275
8. 300
9. 250 short 375 long
10. 275
11. 375
12. 800
13. 450
14. 300
15. 275
16. 800
17. 425
18. 450
I don't know how to rate the other DGReview stuff...

It has no services. If you need food, water, or a bathroom, you need to stop in Perry at the Ferguson Road/Hwy 24 interchange - some 10 plus miles away. I'm not sure if there is a closer location for services but that's what I have so far.

AND... the hillbillies haven't gotten out there and left cigarette butts and beer cans everywhere so it still looks great. 
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: robm on April 01, 2013, 09:45:31 AM
will slowly work on it...
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 01, 2013, 02:54:40 PM
P.S. I left a Suspect on hole 16. It's on the far side of the creek. If you find it, you deserve it.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 01, 2013, 03:06:11 PM
I started using the VILLIAN for those flippy destroyer shots and it has saved my bacon. I learned the hard way on Saturday's 868 rated round, that flippy destroyers aren't always a good thing.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: discglover on April 01, 2013, 07:30:49 PM
The flags look cool
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 01, 2013, 08:17:13 PM
Hesting mentioned something about that. They are the 6-12-18 MPH flags. I had no idea what that meant until he explained it to me. Very cool.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 01, 2013, 09:10:30 PM
To explain. If the top flag is blowing, the winds are 6 mph. If the second flag is also blowing, the winds are 12 mph. If the the bottom flag is blowing, the winds are 18 mph. Simple enough...
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: jamidanger on April 01, 2013, 10:40:38 PM
great flags! i had that same question. now, what is an axiom of doubt, in relation to this course?
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 01, 2013, 10:58:38 PM
The greatest issue surrounding the experience, from start to finish, was the indecisiveness of it all. Lots of doubts; Which way to go? To go or not to go? Is that the basket? Which way is the next pad? Is that it? Can I make that shot? Lots of doubts that kept creeping into the day. The doubts manifested themselves in various ways but for the most part, their effect was pretty obvious. When we played the course the second time, the doubts faded in some areas and things improved. Where doubt lingered, trouble persisted. Hence the name: Axioms of Doubt.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: white mccoy on April 02, 2013, 07:55:51 AM
Great review Loomis.
I can't wait to get back out there, especially before the leaves come in, and the snakes come out!

I can handle the ticks, but next time I am bringing my chair to put my bag on, so they will quit hitching rides up my shoulder straps to my neck.

Get out and play it soon people!  Once those leaves fill in, your hopes of shooting in the 50's(maybe even 60's) will diminish really fast.

Bring Water!  , Bug Spray,  Snacks, because you might want to stay all day  ;)

But pack out what you pack in!
       
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: coops on April 02, 2013, 08:46:05 AM

I can't wait to get back out there, especially before the leaves come in, and the snakes come out!
     

I'm planning on being out there on Saturday at around 10:30 and would love for anyone else who wanted to to come out. If people show up, we could play $5, or skins, or poker, or flip-dubs, or whatever.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: white mccoy on April 02, 2013, 09:16:19 AM

I can't wait to get back out there, especially before the leaves come in, and the snakes come out!
     

I'm planning on being out there on Saturday at around 10:30 and would love for anyone else who wanted to to come out. If people show up, we could play $5, or skins, or poker, or flip-dubs, or whatever.

Can't this Saturday,
Going to Discs Unlimited Open in Herington.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on April 02, 2013, 09:36:31 AM
Hesting mentioned something about that. They are the 6-12-18 MPH flags. I had no idea what that meant until he explained it to me. Very cool.

I installed these flags at Clover Dell initially. The flags themselves were nice and got a lot of positive feedback but they did not hold up well at all. They were in tatters in less than a year. Were these flags on plastic stanchions with plastic mounts? If they are, the plastic will deteriorate and they will start tilting to one side badly and popping off onto the ground and getting lost or destroyed within a year or two. What baskets are installed on this course? The plastic stanchion kits we installed were designed for the DGA Mach III but work on other baskets.

I switched the flags last season from these wind-meter flags to a standard flag with the hole number on it and replaced all the plastic stanchions with metal stanchions from the Cashens. So far they have held up much, much better.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 02, 2013, 10:01:12 AM
I honestly don't remember what the stanchions were made of. I can tell when I do reviews in the future I am going to need to be more thorough in my notes.

The baskets were, I believe, Mach 5 with blue powder coating. I could be wrong, I took pictures. Someone with a keen eye take a look and post it up.

Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: robm on April 02, 2013, 10:49:12 AM
I thought I read in another thread they were Mach III
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on April 02, 2013, 11:13:43 AM
I took pictures. Someone with a keen eye take a look and post it up.

Duh...  I forgot about the pictures and I just looked at them yesterday.  ::)  You have a good closeup shot of #14. That is definitely a Mach III and those are the same plastic stanchions, mounts and flags we had at Clover Dell the first two seasons. They are from Direct Hit Golf Flags. I like their flags and replaced the wind-meter flag with there traditional numbered flag, but the stanchions don't hold up for long from what I experienced. If they are left in the weather continuously (and why wouldn't they be) they won't hold up very well. Then again, maybe they won't be subjected to the same level of wind as we have in Sedalia if they are tucked into the woods more.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Leo D. on April 02, 2013, 01:48:09 PM
Loomis, did you notice that hardly any of the holes go in the same direction? When we designed it, i wanted to make sure you got all wind angles, not just head and tail wind.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 02, 2013, 02:44:09 PM
Leo, I didn't think about it until you mentioned it, but I see that now.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: coops on April 02, 2013, 05:05:30 PM
Leo, what would you say par is out there?

In its current settings I was thinking 62 seemed like a fair guess.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Ken Franks on April 02, 2013, 05:25:08 PM
Shanan and I will be playing Perry tomorrow...!!!
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Nicky p on April 02, 2013, 08:05:18 PM
Anyone up for a round on Thursday and maybe swing by Lawrence or topeka
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: coops on April 03, 2013, 08:36:35 AM
Shanan and I will be playing Perry tomorrow...!!!

Enjoy it! If I had a good excuse I'd try to skip work and join you but I think they're getting sick of the "it's wonderful weather and I don't want to be here" excuse.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: coops on April 03, 2013, 09:12:59 AM
Anyone up for a round on Thursday and maybe swing by Lawrence or topeka

What time are you talking? Likely I won't be available due to work, but I'm looking for any and every reason to get up there I can.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Nicky p on April 03, 2013, 10:37:48 AM
I was thinkin 10 or 11 but I could play Lawrence in the morning and head up there after that
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: coops on April 03, 2013, 01:20:37 PM
As I suspected. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Leo D. on April 03, 2013, 04:23:38 PM
I've heard rumor of par 64 as it sits now. I've shot 57 & 60 on the two times I played it, my guess would be closer to par 62, but we all know, par is really irrelevant.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: coops on April 03, 2013, 04:46:56 PM
Sure, but it is a fun thing to look at anyway. My thoughts were

1- 3
2- 3
3- 4
4- 4
5- 4
6- 4
7- 3
8- 3
9- 4
10- 3
11- 3
12- 5
13- 4
14- 3
15- 3
16- 4
17- 3
18- 3
Total 63

I didn't get a good feel for hole 9 because we played to the wrong basket on my first go through. I think in my mind I was counting it as a 3 without knowing it and that gave me 62 but it would probably be safe to put it at a 4 for the solid 63.

Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: coops on April 04, 2013, 08:31:12 AM
Change of plans. I realized I could drive just a bit further and get down to Jones for some GBO prep.

Anyone interested. It'll be on Saturday. Haven't decided a time yet but I'm thinking mid to late morning.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: lsdiscs on April 04, 2013, 10:49:26 PM
Hey guys!  Glad to see the talk of the coure at Perry and also to hear other's thoughts on it.  I can tell you that when Heddy, Leo and I originally walked through the first time with the ranger, the course seemed near impossible to install (tons of work) and we told him as much.  The intent was to get traffic to the campground and we told him that it could be done, but being so far out, would need to be worth the trip (ie- championship level, different style course than usual).  After MANY walk throughs with him and design layout, we proceeded to talk about how it would come about.  I can tell you the Corps (Kyle the Ranger mainly) spent a ton of money and hours on it.  We were told they had a grant to improve the parkh (a lot of money), an if they didn't use it, they would lose it.  So... we started.  I wish I would have taken pictures of what it looked like before any work was done because it is like night and day now.  It still needs a lot of fine tuning to get it to our planned layouint, but I can say compared to what we first walked into... it is CLOSE!  By close, I don't mean there isn't a ton of work yet to be done, yet, most of the work has already been done... if that makes any sense.  It was so wooded and dense when we started, after about half a dozen work days with good turnout, interest wained and the project stalled (somewhat.... Kyle still dumped tons of hours out there while working).  Anyway, over the last year, Kent Bryan spearheaded a revival to get legs under this thing and finally got pins installed.  I made it out there for the first time in about a year today and was able to play the front side, and damn, it looks sweet.  I have attached pictures of what it looked like after only a couple work days and you an see a plain as day difference compared to those posted by Loomis.  There were several placements that we had discussed that were either missing, or in the wrong locations from our original plan, but that could be remedied.  At one point, when walking through the placements, keep in mind this was with leaves on the trees, we thought par would be 54 in shorts and around 70 in longs.  If several pins are installed in spots that we intended, it could still get there.  Concerning the 'safe' greens, I agree.  Another plan of ours that will likely happen down the road is to core drill some placements into some of the massive boulders around the course creating some slippery putting.  Anyway, as Leo mentioned, when we were putting the design together, we had several thoughts...
1.  Placement would be key.  Course is long, but wouldn't advantage the monkey arms so much as the guy who can throw a 300' drive on a rope. 

2.  Course would play more like a ball golf course (don't kill me!) in that there were more par 4s, 5s, etc.. that would require you to hit spots, to be able to have a second, third shot, etc...  Strategy is going to be very important out there. 

3.  Utilize the elevation in every fashionable way. uphill, downhill, tunnels, sidehill, ravines, etc... and also have holes facing in every direction so that you would have to account for different wind on nearly every hole. 

4.  Cut down the trees we know need to come down, dead trees, obviously unneeded trees, small trees, etc... knowing that after pins were installed and play started out there it would become a little more obvious which others need to come down.  A little easier to cut a 50' tree than to wait for one to grow...

5.  How could we maintain it?  This place was a pasture at the bottom and a dense forest up top when we started.  Kyle worked out the mowing and spraying for weeds which was a HUGE help.  I wish I would havetaken a picture of the looks on everyones faces on our first work day when we started on hole 3!  It was like 'ummm, what are we doing here, and how the hell is this possible?' 

6.  As a general scope, if we were going to go through the 'gazillion' hours to get this in he ground, it better damn well make people want to play it.  Give them something that, quite honestly, I can't even compare it to in this region.  Maybe up in michigan?  Still a little to early to say if the mission was accomplished both on our end, and the Corps goal of promoting the campsite, but I think it's a damn good start.

Our hope is that by having baskets in the ground, it will light a fire and get more people out to our work days to make this thing a real beauty.  DDDC and new club president Kent Bryan is going to have another work day out there this saturday for those that want to help.  You can call him at 785-249-0803, or myself (Bren Nordgren) 785-608-8688 for more info.  All feedback is appreciated as we want to make this the most enjoyable playing experience possible.  Oh, I forgot to metion, there is actually a bar right across the street from the parking lot that I believe is open and running (I haven't been in).  The ranger said they had pretty decent food?  Other than that, pack a lunch. 

Here is the pics I took after a couple work days for reference as to how much has been done since.....
http://s674.photobucket.com/user/lsdiscs/library/#/user/lsdiscs/library/Lake%20Perry%20Course?page=1&_suid=1365131449840031520438022555003 (http://s674.photobucket.com/user/lsdiscs/library/#/user/lsdiscs/library/Lake%20Perry%20Course?page=1&_suid=1365131449840031520438022555003)
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: lsdiscs on April 04, 2013, 10:58:11 PM
I would also like to say that the park ranger Kyle that posted above was ruthless in his efforts to keep this project going.  I can't even imagine the hours he put in out there.  I can imagine the money it took... a lot!  MAJOR props to Kyle.  He had us scared for awhile that he may have to transfer and that none of the other rangers cared nearly as much as he did and they project may die.  Anyway, Kyles the MAN!
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Nicky p on April 04, 2013, 11:05:37 PM
Got to go play this course day today and it was well worth the drive. Took state ave all the way out and it to 50 mins from parking lot to parking lot from wyco 45 miles. First off I can not believe how much  work has been done to this area. Did the army core have anything to do with this because that  was the only conclusion I could come up with. If anyone is going to go I recommend reading loomis' post very carefully it is spot on. Got through 1 and 2 ok and then ran into three!       I looked for thebasket for about five mins and just decided to throw. After two throws I still was lost and finally found it just before I got so frustrated I almost left. To me that was the worst part of the whole course. Don't get me wrong this a long long long hard course  but that placement is overkill to me. Besides that I enjoyed all the other holes(12 could stand lose a couple  of trees but not to many.) Parked 1 and 14 for birdies but took plenty of fives mostly because I did not know where is was going. Just to give ppl a idea of the lay out take holes 2 through 6 at cliff and down under and add blue valley length! Ya. Shot a 66  +12
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: lsdiscs on April 04, 2013, 11:23:34 PM
Yes it is tough to navigate at the moment until signs are installed.  The artwork is done and they are waitiing to get them back so they can be installed.  After that, it won't be so bad.  And yes, the Corps of Engineers (speerheaded by KB the park ranger) did a ton, and spent a TON!  All I needed to know was the price quotes he got from the concrete contractors to install the pads... ya, not cheap.  Pads in the middle of a forest which required clearing trees to even access them costs a little bit!  Anyway, several DDDC club members have devoeted a TON of time out there as well.  I hardly recognized the place when I drove up this afternoon.  Kind got my blood flowing a little bit!  Also, it's quite the workout just to navigate a round out there.  Glad you made your way around!
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Ken Franks on April 04, 2013, 11:28:42 PM
If anyone is going to go I recommend reading loomis' post very carefully it is spot on.

 except the left is NOT 89th street, turn on 86th street...

 Other than that, I had Loomis' review on hand at just about every hole...

 THIS COURSE IS AMAZINGLY FUN AND CHALLENGING!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Utz on April 05, 2013, 12:02:10 PM
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Course would play more like a ball golf course (don't kill me!) in that there were more par 4s, 5s, etc.. that would require you to hit spots, to be able to have a second, third shot, etc...  Strategy is going to be very important out there. 

To me this is the very necessary step that disc golf must take, in order to move "to the next level" of sporting events. I will be playing this course ASAP. Thanks for all your hard work!
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: robm on April 05, 2013, 01:22:17 PM
When's the first tournament on it?
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: tedkeith on April 05, 2013, 06:29:45 PM
WOW! I haven't had that much fun shooting over 70 since playing Idlewild. Took a seven on hole three but the guy I played with had a beautiful three. My favorite hole was probably 13.

We met Ranger Kyle and some other park folks during the round. They were spreading seed and doing other course work. The place will get nothing but better.

The course appears to be tipped out right now with the shorter pins looking quite a bit easier. Great pads, and benches on most holes. We got through it in just over 2 hours.

It was about 1.25 hours taking 24 across but well worth the drive and I hope to get back out there soon.

Go Play This Course!!!



Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: coops on April 05, 2013, 08:09:17 PM
Ted,

I'd like to get something kind of regular going on out there on the weekends when there aren't events (or when I'm not going to Emporia to prep for events).

Do what Ted said, go out there and play! That place is a blast.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: dickthediscparker on April 15, 2013, 07:56:01 AM
I got the chance to play the course yesterday with Heddy and I must say this is one of the best courses in town (minus a few weird pin placements that I easily forgot about by the next hole). If you get a chance to drive it and play it you should. I would love to see a god mix of pin placements rather than the current all long settings but I liked it just the same. I shot a 61 with 4 missed putts inside the circle, so I felt as if I played the course well for playing it blind. Good job Leo and Heddy. I'll be back.

Also, from what I was told, all of the baskets will be in the shorts by next weekend. So if you want to see the full monster you should head out soon.

Worth the drive.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Schoen-hopper on April 16, 2013, 05:28:20 PM
http://kansasdiscgolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4733&p=75034#p75034 (http://kansasdiscgolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4733&p=75034#p75034)

I played the course and gave a review.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 17, 2013, 12:02:41 PM
Anyone want to do a league or a one day non-sanctioned event for this place?
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: dickthediscparker on April 17, 2013, 12:08:03 PM
Heddy told me that their club has been reorganized (Dusk to Dawn) and they are planning an event there soon. That's all I know.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Ken Franks on April 17, 2013, 12:59:00 PM
Heddy told me that their club has been reorganized (Dusk to Dawn) and they are planning an event there soon. That's all I know.

 LIKE!
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Jake B on April 17, 2013, 01:12:46 PM
http://kansasdiscgolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4733&p=75034#p75034 (http://kansasdiscgolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4733&p=75034#p75034)

I played the course and gave a review.

And I thought Loomis was winded, geesh!
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 17, 2013, 01:30:05 PM
I write long winded because I'm anti- social in person and this is how I can let it out.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Ken Franks on April 17, 2013, 02:35:30 PM
I write long winded because I'm anti- social in person and this is how I can let it out.

 thread killer...
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Loomis on April 17, 2013, 02:37:39 PM
It had over 1000 views. It's time to move on.
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: Jake B on April 17, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
I write long winded because I'm anti- social in person and this is how I can let it out.

I read every one in it's entirety.
They're the most entertaining part of this forum; (yes I said that about a Jayhawk's writing) aside from Keiser making an a$$ of himself.  :o
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: lsdiscs on April 24, 2013, 11:18:39 AM
Whats up guys?!  Yes, the club is under new leadership with Kent Bryan as our President and Marc Hedstrom as VP as well as several others in supporting roles.  The name, however is still Dawn to Dusk... as opposed to dusk to dawn.  Anyway, yes we are getting an event organized out there, but need to hash out the details with the corps as they are requiring a little more than the average tourney.  We are also tossing around the idea of including this course as one of the rounds in the Mighty Shunga tournament this year, possibly on the last day, with tee times.  Thoughts?  Also... Mike Gwaltney, I heard, was organizing an event out there but I have no details on it.  He is on facebook so you could probably hit him up for info, or maybe he could post it on here...
Title: Re: Axioms of Doubt: The Perry Course
Post by: robm on November 19, 2013, 05:31:25 PM
Can we get this moved to the child board?

There are other threads out there, but these were the more significant ones.

Thanks,