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Title: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 12:21:55 PM
I was out at Swope today and there were a couple of newbie loopers playing the course. On each hole they would toss one or two different discs with various results. That's what made me think they were newbies; choosing to throw a vulcan, hard, as a hyzer disc and watching it flip over. They were stunned with the results and with each awe-inspiring outcome they would voice a formulated explanation as to why the disc behaved the way it did; "I turned over my wrist" or "didn't get around on it enough" stuff like that. The more talented of the two (based on the success to failure rate of his throws) would claim only on successful throws that he watched a lot of Feldberg videos and that he has spoken to "a local pro" who had given him some pointers. When his throws didn't work out, "the disc slipped." If he was using Feldberg's advice, he certainly wasn't applying Feldy's techniques to his throws. Other than the fact that the disc left the tee pad headed in the right general direction, very little of his throw looked like Feldy's tips to throwing. Not that I thought I was going to see a Feldberg Jr. in this guy's throw, but this guy was doing nothing that Feldberg teaches.

It's not easy to assist someone trying to improve their game. What works for me may not work for you. And if you look at a cross section of the world's best disc golfers you will see a multitude of various styles and approaches to the game. Ever see Josh Anthon play? No one does what he does, but shouldn't they? Other than Bradley Williams, I don't know anyone who putts like Nikko. Tank's putting is wildly successful... for him. Cale Leviska and Dave Feldberg are polar opposites in their approaches to the game, yet both are successful. So who's advice should you follow?

If you go on the internet and go youtubin' you should be able to find three or four dozen videos on how to improve your putting, your drive, your grip, your distance, etc.. I think everyone watches these videos at some point in their development - well, newer players probably do, I can't say that for people who have been playing a long time - but how helpful are they for everyone? Is there a single video that really works for everyone who sees it (other than Cram's GBO wind putt? ) ? Which brings me to my friggin' point after all this blusterin'.

What is the formula for disc golf success? Certainly there are enough talented pros out there filled with opinions and a willingness to share what they know, but who do you listen to? Considering the variables of talent, experience, physical make up, athleticism, disc choices, etc. What do you need to be say.. A scratch golfer? A pro?

I think there is probably a way to determine someone's disc golf IQ based on some goofy algorithm involving technique, experience, etc. And to be clear, I don't claim to know what it is, but listening to those two guys who haven't been playing disc golf that long - or that well - it's certainly interesting to ponder what makes someone "insightful" into the sport.

I didn't say anything to the two guys, deciding that I was no one to tell them right from wrong. And I was out there playing an invisible course with a portable basket, so they must have thought I was nuts to begin with. Would you listen to someone walking around with, and throwing at, a portable basket and then saying, "Damn, that's OB" when you can't see the OB yourself?

What Would Feldberg Do?
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: phisherman_77 on April 09, 2013, 12:23:35 PM
What Would Feldberg Do?

Carry a bunch of discs and complain a lot.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: jhinck2 on April 09, 2013, 12:33:45 PM
I've struggled with this subject a lot. I can throw a disc a country mile, but can't hit the broad side of a barn when it comes to putting the damn thing in the basket. I've watched countless videos of Will, feldberg, reading...but they are ALL different. I've talked to Tank about it, but his putt is tough to imitate in my opinion.

I don't know that there is a "right" way to do things when it comes down to it. Practice is what gets the job done along with confidence in your technique. 

Someday my putts will fall...someday.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: jack on April 09, 2013, 12:39:07 PM
I don't know that there is a "right" way to do things when it comes down to it. Practice is what gets the job done along with confidence in your technique. 

Someday my putts will fall...someday.

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Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 12:40:17 PM
I agree with the practice makes perfect concept, however; how do you know if you are practicing the right techniques?
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: jhinck2 on April 09, 2013, 12:42:15 PM
I agree with the practice makes perfect concept, however; how do you know if you are practicing the right techniques?

Define the "right" technique...I don't think you can.

Also, I had a coach growing up that said practice makes persistent. Practice does not make perfect.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 12:53:03 PM
That's my point, Jordan. If you don't know the right technique, what are you practicing then?
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: coops on April 09, 2013, 12:56:39 PM
Someday my putts will fall...someday.

That will certainly be a scary day for all of us.

My beliefs are far too many to post all of them here but as it pertains to putting think about his one simple thought: the goal of putting is simply putting the disc in the basket. Go out and watch a new player with average athleticism and you will see them hit probably more than their fair share of putts. Their minds are clear and their fear-inducing memories too few to prevent them from just winging it in.

Putting is almost 99% mental. Most people contain the necessary physical skills to throw a disc 35'. The rest is purely mind.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: coops on April 09, 2013, 12:57:19 PM
I agree with the practice makes perfect concept, however; how do you know if you are practicing the right techniques?

Define the "right" technique...I don't think you can.

Also, I had a coach growing up that said practice makes persistent. Practice does not make perfect.

I grew up with a band teacher that oft said "Practices doesn't make perfect; perfect practice makes perfect".
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Post by: john theiss on April 09, 2013, 01:02:12 PM
"perfect practice makes perfect" is a quote that a friend of mine uses all the time as he trains bball players .  not just going out and practicing any old thing.  truly practicing a regiment in any sport takes discipline, planning, and adjustments to fix what is incorrect. 
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: jhinck2 on April 09, 2013, 01:08:07 PM
That's my point, Jordan. If you don't know the right technique, what are you practicing then?

Where I'm at is just picking one and sticking with it.  The problem is, I've got 5 different putting styles running through my head and haven't decided on one.  Thus, I release the putter and think to myself, "what the F was that supposed to be?" It cost me dearly this past weekend in Branson.  I've done so much as switching putters, but at the end of the day, it's the mental capacity as Cooper mentioned that really matters.  I can change technique, putter, stance, anything under the sun and it not matter if I don't have confidence that the putt will fall.

Living in an apartment complex and not having a basket in the backyard anymore doesn't help things either.   :o
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: five2loves42 on April 09, 2013, 01:09:40 PM
The video I learned the most from was of me.  I really thought I was throwing the disc a certain way and found out I was not even close to what I thought I was doing.  IMHO this was the best way to "correct" your form.  If you can see it, you might be able to change it.

The other vids helped me try to pick a "technique", but again, we are all pretty different. Just because some one is successful with a given method, does not mean that is the best way for everyone else.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 01:11:49 PM
I just changed putters again to the MERCY (as well as a bunch of other plastic) and then played the Monkey Island... I shot an 868 rated round... 8... 6.... 8. Came in DFL. I have technique and confidence, but not so much with the new plastic. Yet.

I have the GBO this weekend and I have to figure out what I am going to do; stick with familiar plastic or go with the new stuff.

Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: KCVinnie on April 09, 2013, 01:14:09 PM
What Would Feldberg Do?

Carry a bunch of discs and complain a lot.
Now that is funny
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Mike Hyzer on April 09, 2013, 01:15:59 PM
I believe Hinck has it right when it comes to having confidence in your own technique. There's so many different styles if you watch the pros. Different grip, different speed of run-up, different reach-back, different follow-through. On putts: different grip, different stance, different loft, different spin, etc. I think people do what works for them and what feels natural and it translates to better results for some than for most others. I'm in the most others boat. ;D
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 01:26:58 PM
So now that we have focused in on mental discipline; perhaps we could talk about the techniques that have made the most impact on their game. For me, I practice putting with my eyes closed. I also throw slower to maintain more control over the disc. I think it helps me shape shots. And the best technique advice I have ever been given is remembering to keep my muscles loose.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: KCVinnie on April 09, 2013, 01:46:08 PM
I agree with Mike and Jordan's assessment, practice YOUR technique and have confidence in what YOU do.

As far as technique I use:
1. Deep breath before putting
2. Smile and act like I am at home practicing my putt with my daughter.
3. Direct all energy to one chain link, let it go, and don't worry about the results.

No wind or with the wind, I picture dropping it in the basket like a free throw.

Against wind, I remember what Jake told me, put a little spin on it.

One video that I like is Paul McBeth's video in his apartment.  He taped the chains together and putted from about 30 ft.  What I thought was interesting is how he hardly needs the chains or even the pole.  He was just dropping them right into the basket.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: five2loves42 on April 09, 2013, 01:47:01 PM
I just changed putters again to the MERCY (as well as a bunch of other plastic) and then played the Monkey Island... I shot an 868 rated round... 8... 6.... 8. Came in DFL. I have technique and confidence, but not so much with the new plastic. Yet.

I have the GBO this weekend and I have to figure out what I am going to do; stick with familiar plastic or go with the new stuff.

Sounds like Tiger with Nike :)
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: jhinck2 on April 09, 2013, 01:51:36 PM
I just changed putters again to the MERCY (as well as a bunch of other plastic) and then played the Monkey Island... I shot an 868 rated round... 8... 6.... 8. Came in DFL. I have technique and confidence, but not so much with the new plastic. Yet.

I have the GBO this weekend and I have to figure out what I am going to do; stick with familiar plastic or go with the new stuff.

Sounds like Tiger with Nike :)

Believe you mean Rory
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 01:55:46 PM
The best gurus of golf so far have been Pete Cashen and CD.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: five2loves42 on April 09, 2013, 02:04:05 PM
I just changed putters again to the MERCY (as well as a bunch of other plastic) and then played the Monkey Island... I shot an 868 rated round... 8... 6.... 8. Came in DFL. I have technique and confidence, but not so much with the new plastic. Yet.

I have the GBO this weekend and I have to figure out what I am going to do; stick with familiar plastic or go with the new stuff.

Sounds like Tiger with Nike :)

Believe you mean Rory

Yeah, he is their latest victim.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: coops on April 09, 2013, 02:22:07 PM
I believe Hinck has it right when it comes to having confidence in your own technique. There's so many different styles if you watch the pros. Different grip, different speed of run-up, different reach-back, different follow-through. On putts: different grip, different stance, different loft, different spin, etc. I think people do what works for them and what feels natural and it translates to better results for some than for most others. I'm in the most others boat. ;D

Style is about how it makes sense to you to get the disc in the basket, too. I forced myself for almost two years to be a pitch putter when spinning makes the most sense to me. It worked a bit but, especially on long-mid range putts all it was doing was leaving me close to the basket. Since switching styles back I've found a lot more peace when I'm putting. It hasn't been as successful yet but it feels like it is just getting going and is going to be a great change. Moral of the story: putt how you 'think' you should putt. If you gotta jam it in there, do that. If you can lob it to the moon and have it drop in like Tank does, then do that.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: sportwood on April 09, 2013, 02:24:24 PM
Ok...  A Loomis size response for a Loomis thread.

IMO, practice is important but perfect practice makes perfect.  It is experience that makes you better.  The difference is experience is experiencing doing it wrong enough times until you experience doing it right while practice is reinforcing those experiences where you did it right.

I have watched all kinds of videos and they have shown me a lot of other people’s experience.  There are also fundamental things that are consistent throughout most techniques and when I watch a video of myself I can compare technique against various others and see obvious mistakes.  That being said I will say that when I got confidence in my technique (just recently) is when I have seen the most improvement.  This came on the tail of a long frustrating streak where i finally thought screw it I am just going to have fun again.  Once I decided that, the voice in my head shut up and I started hitting my lines.  I got a great quote Mike Petrin gave  to another player on our card during the DUI.  "Do you ever think about %$#@ing or do you just %$#@???  Just %$#@!".

I also feel that those who think they know the most about any subject are those just above novice.  I do include myself in this one!  When you first start out at something you gain so much knowledge so fast.  You get excited and want to share all this "new" knowledge.  I also find that trying to teach even if especially if I am not solid on the subject is when I learn the most as it forces me to figure out why I do what I do.  I also find if I correct something in someone it will force me to practice what I preach as the "student" will happily correct me when they see me doing something I recently corrected on them.  The unfortunate think is until we gain enough experience we don’t know what is right and wrong and self-correction fades into excuses as you pass that initial novice stage.  It is when you finally accept that you aren’t quite as good as you thought you were that you can see the excuses for what they have become.  I know that was me not as long ago as I would like.

When I used to captain APA pool teams I would have the lower rated players on my team try to call a coach on me as often as possible so that they could discuss strategy.  This helped them think through a game without playing giving them some experience by proxy as they were still part of the game and occasionally I would get advice from some newer players that made me rethink how I would approach certain shots.  This goes back to confidence in your game.  At that point I had confidence in my mechanics and overall my ability to play the shot at hand.  When I was coached I was able to rethink things objectively and continue without that voice saying I “think this is right…  yeah?  This is right?”.  As a lower rated disc golfer at the moment, I have have that voice in my head too often when I am not where I planned on being or if I just shot a double on the last hole.  As I gain more and more experience and experience doing it right more and more, the more I have the ability to “Just %$#@”. (Thank You Mike !)  When I get to that space I am able to play with strategy and fail without the frustration allowing me to learn from those mistakes instead of letting them drag me down.  I still have  a lot to learn and need to continue to seek advice from whomever and wherever I can get it and not allow myself to start with excuses again.  Sometimes even bad advice can teach you something.  Sometimes it reinforces your confidence in why you do what you do as I learned from my time in APA.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 03:16:14 PM
So there is really no right or wrong way to practice? And there is really no right or wrong technique? Just go with what works?
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: coops on April 09, 2013, 03:24:36 PM
So there is really no right or wrong way to practice? And there is really no right or wrong technique? Just go with what works?

False.

I mean, if it works, then I think in this sense it must be right. But, on the other hand, if it doesn't work then it either may be right or may be wrong.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 03:31:50 PM
So where, or who, do you turn to for advice on finding the right direction?
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: The Bird Father on April 09, 2013, 03:41:41 PM
So where, or who, do you turn to for advice on finding the right direction?

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Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 03:44:14 PM
That should be a shirt.
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Post by: phisherman_77 on April 09, 2013, 03:44:51 PM
It is.  Anthony Puryear has one.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: coops on April 09, 2013, 03:50:36 PM
So where, or who, do you turn to for advice on finding the right direction?

Everyone and no one. You need to find what is right for you. Oft you can find that from tidbits present in everyone's game. I remember when I was a newer player that I used to study how Hemme putted. I didn't try to putt like him, but I did try to mimic his tenacity. I've also learned from watching a video of Feldberg that spin putting is a reactionary process and can't be thought of as quite as mechanical and formulaic as pitch putting. Arturo and EMac taught me the importance of putting a bit nose up. I taught myself and grip and a stance that were comfortable and repeatable.

You have to open to learning all things from everyone and nothing from no one.

If you are talking about driving I think there are several parallels but I would say the most important thing is to not try to mimic someone with a vastly different body type than yourself. If I tried to copy Will or Ricky or any of those other tall, lanky, long-armed people I would be in a world of hurt. If I tried to throw like Avery high across the chest I'm sure I'd tear something. But, on the other hand, if I try to learn from Nate Doss or Dave Feldberg, two pros with more average features, I may have much more success.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: rickrose2007 on April 09, 2013, 03:54:04 PM
I am still trying to figure this all out. I am slowly creeping up to a year playing, if you count winter time where I did not throw a disc. I usually look where I want to throw it, say a silent prayer and throw. Does it work? Heck no! I try to watch the vets throwing and I tend to ask a lot of questions, which can probably get annoying. I need to find this Church of the Flying Disc God!
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Tom on April 09, 2013, 03:58:17 PM
I am still trying to figure this all out. I am slowly creeping up to a year playing, if you count winter time where I did not throw a disc. I usually look where I want to throw it, say a silent prayer and throw. Does it work? Heck no! I try to watch the vets throwing and I tend to ask a lot of questions, which can probably get annoying. I need to find this Church of the Flying Disc God!

Something I think helps develop your throwing is to play catch. Another thing that will improve your game fast is to take all your discs and go throw them out in an open filed such as a soccer field or baseball field. Playing rounds doesn;t give you enough reps to learn how to make the discs go where you want them to.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 03:59:43 PM
So how helpful are the videos you see on youtubular?
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Utz on April 09, 2013, 04:01:13 PM
KC has no pros. No one practices here. I told LaRon that just the other day. No one has a practice regiment.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 04:05:29 PM
I have quite a few drills that I do on a weekly basis. So I do practice.
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Post by: Mike Hyzer on April 09, 2013, 04:05:50 PM
I am still trying to figure this all out. I am slowly creeping up to a year playing, if you count winter time where I did not throw a disc. I usually look where I want to throw it, say a silent prayer and throw. Does it work? Heck no! I try to watch the vets throwing and I tend to ask a lot of questions, which can probably get annoying. I need to find this Church of the Flying Disc God!

Something I think helps develop your throwing is to play catch. Another thing that will improve your game fast is to take all your discs and go throw them out in an open filed such as a soccer field or baseball field. Playing rounds doesn;t give you enough reps to learn how to make the discs go where you want them to.

This. But doing the field thing takes dedication-- let's face it, that's booooring compared to playing an actual round --but perhaps that dedication makes the difference between an average player and an exceptional one.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: rickrose2007 on April 09, 2013, 04:14:49 PM
I am still trying to figure this all out. I am slowly creeping up to a year playing, if you count winter time where I did not throw a disc. I usually look where I want to throw it, say a silent prayer and throw. Does it work? Heck no! I try to watch the vets throwing and I tend to ask a lot of questions, which can probably get annoying. I need to find this Church of the Flying Disc God!

Something I think helps develop your throwing is to play catch. Another thing that will improve your game fast is to take all your discs and go throw them out in an open filed such as a soccer field or baseball field. Playing rounds doesn;t give you enough reps to learn how to make the discs go where you want them to.

This. But doing the field thing takes dedication-- let's face it, that's booooring compared to playing an actual round --but perhaps that dedication makes the difference between an average player and an exceptional one.

it does take dedication. I live on 14 acres but I would be lying if I said I go out and play catch with myself. I keep telling myself I need too, but do I? Heck No...I try to play same courses, so I get repetition and I was seeing my score slowly drop last year. Then Winter hit...now I feel like I am almost back to square one.

I even bought one of those DVDs with Ken Climo and some other dude in it, when I purchased some discs online. It's given me a few pointers but I need to work on my drives. I thought I was doing awesome getting 350-400 feet on drives until I played with a guy who was almost doubling that...it was an ego crusher.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: jhinck2 on April 09, 2013, 04:22:13 PM
I am still trying to figure this all out. I am slowly creeping up to a year playing, if you count winter time where I did not throw a disc. I usually look where I want to throw it, say a silent prayer and throw. Does it work? Heck no! I try to watch the vets throwing and I tend to ask a lot of questions, which can probably get annoying. I need to find this Church of the Flying Disc God!

Something I think helps develop your throwing is to play catch. Another thing that will improve your game fast is to take all your discs and go throw them out in an open filed such as a soccer field or baseball field. Playing rounds doesn;t give you enough reps to learn how to make the discs go where you want them to.

This. But doing the field thing takes dedication-- let's face it, that's booooring compared to playing an actual round --but perhaps that dedication makes the difference between an average player and an exceptional one.

it does take dedication. I live on 14 acres but I would be lying if I said I go out and play catch with myself. I keep telling myself I need too, but do I? Heck No...I try to play same courses, so I get repetition and I was seeing my score slowly drop last year. Then Winter hit...now I feel like I am almost back to square one.

I even bought one of those DVDs with Ken Climo and some other dude in it, when I purchased some discs online. It's given me a few pointers but I need to work on my drives. I thought I was doing awesome getting 350-400 feet on drives until I played with a guy who was almost doubling that...it was an ego crusher.

Doubling a 400' drive? What kind of downhill course are you playing my friend?!
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: rickrose2007 on April 09, 2013, 04:27:14 PM
Maybe that was an exaggeration but I did see a guy throwing like 450-500 feet in Manhattan, KS. I was talking to him before the round and telling him I was trying to build my arm strength up and stuff and how I thought I was doing quite well and he kinda laughed. I am happy to hit 300 ft with my drives but I am more happy when I hit my lines and the disc actually does what I want it too...
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: jack on April 09, 2013, 04:43:10 PM
KC has no pros. No one practices here. I told LaRon that just the other day. No one has a practice regiment.

I don't think that is a true statement at all.  We just really don't have any strong touring pro's.  We have plenty of talented people that practice in their own way, but none that have their sole existence in Disc Golf.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Utz on April 09, 2013, 04:51:18 PM
I meant touring pros, so you've got me on that one. But who? It's a city of Masters and has-beens IMO. I never see anyone practicing. I've never been shared a training regiment by anyone. Its just round after round. I wonder if anyone really wants to get better around these parts --- or just sit back and have "fun" on par 54 courses.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: jack on April 09, 2013, 04:53:16 PM
With 20+ courses, you may not see the people practicing all the time, but they are out there.  Backyard puttings....open field rollers.....just cuz they don't announce it to you doesn't mean that no one is out there doing it.....private courses.......
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 05:37:17 PM
Minna and I practice in the field at Rosedale often. We also like to employ various small plots of land around KC that are suitable for one or two temp holes of our design. You see these plots of land next to apartment complexes, car dealerships, in business parks, or just randomly along the side of the road. We are not touring pros, but we practice. I started playing in 2007 and I think I have improved at a pretty predictable pace. I would attribute my willingness to practice as the reason for this improvement.

Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: sportwood on April 09, 2013, 05:51:20 PM
Something I think helps develop your throwing is to play catch. Another thing that will improve your game fast is to take all your discs and go throw them out in an open filed such as a soccer field or baseball field. Playing rounds doesn;t give you enough reps to learn how to make the discs go where you want them to.

I agree with this...  Playing catch is so helpful for me.  I try to play at least 10 minutes of catch before a game to warm my arm up so I don't tear my shoulder and as a byproduct I discovered you get so many reps in and is more fun than throwing at a basket and walking back.  I also learn from who I am playing with whether they are directly teaching me something or watching what they are working on.  I have a field by my work and set up practice basket up during lunch and go through drills.  I am one that does get enjoyment out of working drills.  I would love to go out with people and do drills with them.  You get so much more out of your time when you can have someone else there working on the same thing.  I also have a phone that takes 60fps and have an app called coaches eye for breaking down my throw.  Unfortunately I never end up filming myself.  I have a lot of videos but they are all from course practice.  I would be happy to take turns on video practicing in a field.

What practice routines does everyone that does have a routine do??

My drills -

Putting drills - Using 4 putters I mark my spot and if I make all five I move back approx 5 ft.  This is the one I always start with and then add one of the others listed.

Driving drills - I put the pin on the other side of the field.  Unfortunately as the park is a fairly open space I cant use real obstacles so I just imagine trees and mark some OB out with the minis I have in my trunk.  I then empty my bag trying to get through the imaginary obstacles to the practice pin.

Roller drills - I have not worked on this much and believe I should start soon.

Trouble shot (Back and forehand) -  There is a creek by the park so I set the pin up in various places in the open and toss a mini into the treeline and work on discovering the best option for the scenario.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: hberciunas on April 09, 2013, 05:58:02 PM
Being fairly new to the game, but with significant coaching experience,  I would suggest a couple things. First,  there are many "styles," but there are many fundamenals. In other words, there ar some "wrong" techniques that can and should be corrected. Videos ar good for that. Coaches teaches and friends are good.

Second, repatition of good fundementals is imporant. That is good practice. Foot work, stance, follow through and other fundementals are important and common to all sports. The more you work on them, the better you will get. That will also improve confidence and remove much of the head game. I would bet that Louiseville bball teamstll does a lot of basic shooting drills. Come gametime, unique situations can be dealt with.

Also practice difficult situations.  Coach K will run his offense against 6 or 7 defensive players.

Lots and lots of practice. Listen to all who are good.. try new techniques. Use what works and what works for you.

Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: coops on April 09, 2013, 06:16:15 PM
I meant touring pros, so you've got me on that one. But who? It's a city of Masters and has-beens IMO. I never see anyone practicing. I've never been shared a training regiment by anyone. Its just round after round. I wonder if anyone really wants to get better around these parts --- or just sit back and have "fun" on par 54 courses.

I practice quite a bit if you'll accept throwing without playing a round as practice. If you were to watch what I do I actually very rarely play an entire round. I jump around on the course, play safari, throw multiple shots and put and play out every single one. I would be happy to practice with you Utz but my practice time can be sort of sporadic due to varied departure times from work. I often hit up Rosey, Wyco, PC, Birdland, or SMP after work and that can be anywhere from 2pm to 5pm and from 20 minutes to a couple hours depending on weather, busyness of the course, physical fatigue, and specific concerns for upcoming tournaments.

Where to you live closest to and when can you go out?
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: coops on April 09, 2013, 06:18:23 PM
I also have a phone that takes 60fps and have an app called coaches eye for breaking down my throw.  Unfortunately I never end up filming myself.  I have a lot of videos but they are all from course practice.  I would be happy to take turns on video practicing in a field.

Totally game after the GBO is done. I try to limit form considerations and 'practice' mindset right before tournaments in favor of moving into a more 'trusting' mindset so I can have the confidence required.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: The Nailer™ on April 09, 2013, 06:49:45 PM
I agree with the practice makes perfect concept, however; how do you know if you are practicing the right techniques?

Define the "right" technique...I don't think you can.

Also, I had a coach growing up that said practice makes persistent. Practice does not make perfect.

The right technique is the one that makes the disc nail the basket in fewer strokes than the competition.  The right technique is a combination of what works for you and having fun making it work.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 09, 2013, 07:37:54 PM
So how does one improve their Disc Golf IQ? The intangibles which makes you a better player...
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Utz on April 09, 2013, 08:57:45 PM
Now this is what I'm talking about. I'm just lookin to razzle some people up.

Cooper: I'm looking for practice on Mondays and Wednesdays, after 5pm. Any off weekend of tournaments, i'd rather keep my game in shape with repetitious throwing. It's inevitable that we'll be called into situations that require us to play casual rounds on said practice days, but if we get a good enough rotation, that wont matter.

In my case of practice, I need to explore shots that are over 300 feet, with special disc flight characteristics. Tee shots essentially. I've got a pretty solid regiment of midrange and putting that I stick to.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: coops on April 09, 2013, 09:36:09 PM
Now this is what I'm talking about. I'm just lookin to razzle some people up.

Cooper: I'm looking for practice on Mondays and Wednesdays, after 5pm. Any off weekend of tournaments, i'd rather keep my game in shape with repetitious throwing. It's inevitable that we'll be called into situations that require us to play casual rounds on said practice days, but if we get a good enough rotation, that wont matter.

In my case of practice, I need to explore shots that are over 300 feet, with special disc flight characteristics. Tee shots essentially. I've got a pretty solid regiment of midrange and putting that I stick to.

That is where the problem is. Since I live in Lawrence I'm very rarely still in KC (or rather, starting to practice) after 5pm. If I start at 4 I might go till 5:30 or 6 but the only other way I stay that late is for league, which is usually in addition to practice.

Off weekends would be good. And Perry would be a good course for it! You can play AND learn things up there.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: quinnie on April 09, 2013, 09:52:53 PM
Hemme loves reading golf books and highly suggested The Inner Game of Golf (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0812979702/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0812979702&linkCode=as2&tag=immaconcofmar-20). . 

Utz - You will love this this book.  It discusses practice routines and the mental approach to winning. 

Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: phisherman_77 on April 09, 2013, 10:05:17 PM
Hemme loves reading golf books and highly suggested The Inner Game of Golf (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0812979702/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0812979702&linkCode=as2&tag=immaconcofmar-20). . 

Utz - You will love this this book.  It discusses practice routines and the mental approach to winning.

Along those same lines, Pete Cashen has recommended The Inner Game of Tennis.  He may have been trying to tell me something.   8)
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: robm on April 09, 2013, 10:32:09 PM
I like the Inner Game of (Home)Brew.
(Home) is optional.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Mick on April 09, 2013, 10:50:16 PM
I'm a new player and do practice my putting. At work , I will put a trash can in the shop and throw with the kids. I also live close to Legacy and hit 9 or the practice basket. CD showed me  a way that works for me and it does. I watched every video I could find on you tube some helped others did not. During my practice time , I found out that 1 putter didn't work for me. I use three, 1 flat , 1  hyser and 1 from 20 + feet. Works for me.
Now, , I am a musician and know that bad practice makes bad play. My long game sucks. I know I'm old and fat but when I go and throw all my disc most of the time the drivers all go the same, not that far. I am afraid I am making bad habits. I can not break some of my guitar playing habit because there are years at work there, habits I wish I didn't have.

By The way , when I was out throwing 50 feet as a new player, a nice young man came over to me and showed me how to double my throw, politely.

Mick
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: coops on April 10, 2013, 08:39:24 AM
My personal favorite book is Fearless Golf by Dr. Gio Valiante. Unlike a lot of golf psychology books it has almost no mention of technique for golf. Many others devote quite a large percentage of the book to grip position and various other tips that have nothing to do with our version of golf.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 10, 2013, 09:00:52 AM
I've noticed that a lot of players are doing YOGA to help their game.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: five2loves42 on April 10, 2013, 09:04:12 AM
I am still trying to figure this all out. I am slowly creeping up to a year playing, if you count winter time where I did not throw a disc. I usually look where I want to throw it, say a silent prayer and throw. Does it work? Heck no! I try to watch the vets throwing and I tend to ask a lot of questions, which can probably get annoying. I need to find this Church of the Flying Disc God!

Something I think helps develop your throwing is to play catch. Another thing that will improve your game fast is to take all your discs and go throw them out in an open filed such as a soccer field or baseball field. Playing rounds doesn;t give you enough reps to learn how to make the discs go where you want them to.

This is GREAT advise. This is the way I learned what my discs do and what I need to do to make them do it.  I used the two practice football fields at Liberty HS. They are side by side and lined so I could better see the flight of the disc and throw with all direction of wind. I was there one Sat for my daughter's volleyball tournament and had a 45min break between each match.

I must have thrown my bag (all discs that is :)) 20-25 times. All directions of wind, hyzer,anhyzer, backhand, forehand, tomhawk, thumber.  My arm was sore, but I learned a lot.

Another thing is understanding disc stability and how it is effected by various factors like arm speed, wind, spin, etc.   
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: sportwood on April 10, 2013, 10:07:16 AM
I'm a new player and do practice my putting. At work , I will put a trash can in the shop and throw with the kids. I also live close to Legacy and hit 9 or the practice basket. CD showed me  a way that works for me and it does. I watched every video I could find on you tube some helped others did not. During my practice time , I found out that 1 putter didn't work for me. I use three, 1 flat , 1  hyser and 1 from 20 + feet. Works for me.
Now, , I am a musician and know that bad practice makes bad play. My long game sucks. I know I'm old and fat but when I go and throw all my disc most of the time the drivers all go the same, not that far. I am afraid I am making bad habits. I can not break some of my guitar playing habit because there are years at work there, habits I wish I didn't have.

By The way , when I was out throwing 50 feet as a new player, a nice young man came over to me and showed me how to double my throw, politely.

Mick

Hey...  I may not be the best player pdga rated 772 and hope to break the 800s after the GBO but I can drive a ways and love to teach.  I find I learn more in an hour teaching than I do in days personal of practice time.  My brother an 882 rated player and I go out every weekend and love to have newer players with us.  I know I would be happy to have you join us and Andy and I will impart any knowledge we can.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 10, 2013, 10:53:11 AM
Utz. I'm shocked you don't already have a formula for evaluating Disc Golf IQ. Something like years played divided by courses played multiplied by the player's handicap, or something like that. Which qualities of a player best determines his or her knowledge of the game?
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: john theiss on April 10, 2013, 11:15:42 AM
I meant touring pros, so you've got me on that one. But who? It's a city of Masters and has-beens IMO. I never see anyone practicing. I've never been shared a training regiment by anyone. Its just round after round. I wonder if anyone really wants to get better around these parts --- or just sit back and have "fun" on par 54 courses.

i remember seeing Arturo practicing putting, up shots and drives at Rosie.  Having all summer off as a teacher, i was out there at all hours and i would run across him practicing and i would try to learn whatever i could  from watching his techniques. 
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 10, 2013, 06:57:02 PM
I guess so
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Tom on April 10, 2013, 07:18:27 PM
It's a city of Masters and has-beens IMO.

That's not entirely true.....I'm a never was and never will be.  :P

Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: ekolk on April 10, 2013, 08:10:37 PM
Loomis, Yoga, hell yeah. I use it every time I put. Rooting down and reaching out in all directions. And as Vince mentioned: breathe! Yes, it is great.

Technique and practice. Technique and developing a personal routine is huge. I am not great at disc golf, but far from crappy, and I have found that finding what works and sticking with it is how I improve. All of the feedback here has some truth, especially what Palmer said  :)
I just go out and try new shots. If they work, I start to work on them. The same with putting. I have two putting styles I switch between depending on the conditions and the shot. But most importantly, I always follow my routine.

The number one thing is attitude, previously mentioned as confidence. Why do you think Pros tell Ams to play up? To learn the winning attitude. I stay in shape and work had at everything I do because my attitude informs my performance. I have beat too many players because I crushed their head game with my winning attitude.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: ekolk on April 12, 2013, 01:54:24 PM
Man I know how to kill a thread!
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on April 12, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
Pretty sure it died of natural causes when almost everyone participating packed up and headed to Emporia.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: rickrose2007 on April 12, 2013, 02:10:26 PM
Pretty sure it died of natural causes when almost everyone participating packed up and headed to Emporia.

While I am sitting here at work jealous, wishing I could be there...
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: ian on April 12, 2013, 02:21:00 PM
Pretty sure it died of natural causes when almost everyone participating packed up and headed to Emporia.

While I am sitting here at work jealous, wishing I could be there...

Just head down after work. The player's party is always fun.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 15, 2013, 08:06:11 AM
The player's party was the biggest and best I've ever seen for a tournament, and it was the best part of the weekend for me. I hope you made it down.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: eeastwood on April 15, 2013, 08:38:03 AM
The player's party was the biggest and best I've ever seen for a tournament, and it was the best part of the weekend for me. I hope you made it down.

I agree with Loomis, the block party was a blast and the highlight for me.  I think in the future if I can't play in the tournament, I will come down for the player's party. 
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 17, 2013, 08:15:49 AM
There is video up of the party
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: rhonda on April 17, 2013, 09:23:33 AM
KC has no pros. No one practices here. I told LaRon that just the other day. No one has a practice regiment.

Speaking of LaRon, he has stepped up and has been out at Rosedale every Monday night at 5 to work with anyone willing to put in the time to practice. Come out if you can but be ready to work. There is a regiment he will teach you.

He is a great coach/mentor - in fact he was Eric McCabes. So far I have been shocked that more people have not come out to take advantage of this opportunity.

Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: rhonda on April 17, 2013, 10:01:09 AM
Tracy - He's there at 5 but is usually out there til dark so come out when you can.
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: Loomis on April 17, 2013, 11:53:30 AM
Whereabouts at Rosedale?
Title: Re: Disc Golf IQ
Post by: rhonda on April 18, 2013, 09:17:25 AM
Near hole 1 practice basket