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KCFDC Courses => Rosedale => Topic started by: MileNorthKCMO on June 26, 2013, 12:19:37 PM

Title: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: MileNorthKCMO on June 26, 2013, 12:19:37 PM
Join us out at Rosedale Down Under for a single disc round at 9am.  Leave your bag at home, and bring out your favorite disc. having a spare disc in case of lost disc is allowed, but can only use one disc, unless that one is lost.  $5.00 to play, and depending on turnout winner has two options, take the cash payout, or a bumped up store credit to Mile North.
So if 10 play, $50.00 cash will be available, or $70 in store credit.
If 30 play, We will pay out more places, and each will have option of cash or store credit. 1st $80 cash or $110 store credit, 2nd $50 cash or $70 store credit, 3rd $20 or $30 Store credit.

Any questions, please ask

This is not a tournament.  Just Disc golfers going out, to play a fun round, with a pot on the side! No preregister needed, just show up with disc in hand a $5.00.  Don't have the money, show up anyway!!! Just come out and enjoy some disc golf
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: jhinck2 on June 26, 2013, 12:21:23 PM
Would you consider doing this on a weekend or evening? A lot of people wouldn't be able to make a 9:00 AM weekday round...
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: MileNorthKCMO on June 26, 2013, 12:27:37 PM
Our shop hours only really allow events on Tues, and Thurs....we do weekend events that don't take as long, this weekend have a tombstone round at yates, and throw day at legacy.  Full rounds we have to do on days the shop is closed.  I apologize if this time doesn't work for some people.  I wish I could shut down on weekends!!! But our busiest time is weekends.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: MileNorthKCMO on June 26, 2013, 02:18:52 PM
Was an example to show how the cash to store credit pay out works.  The turnout will dictate how many places pay out. 
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: MileNorthKCMO on June 26, 2013, 02:28:26 PM
Players/Pot   1st Place Payout   2nd Place Payout   3rd Place Payout
2/ $10                  $10 / $13 SC      
3/ $15                  $15/ $20 SC      
4/ $20                  $20 / $28 SC      
5/ $25                  $25 / $35 SC      
6/ $30                  $20 / $28 SC   $10 / $13 SC   
7/ $35                  $25 / $35 SC    $10 / $13 SC   
8/ $40                  $25 / $35 SC   $15 / $20 SC   
9/ $45                  $30 / $42 SC   $15 / $20 SC   
10/ $50                  $35/ $48 SC   $15 / $20 SC   
11/ $55                   $35/ $48 SC   $10 ? $13 SC   $5 / $7 SC
12/ $60                   $40/ $55 SC   $15 / $20 SC   $5 / $7 SC
13/ $65                   $40/ $55 SC   $20 / $28 SC   $5 / 7 SC
14/ $70                   $45/ $62 SC   $20 / $28 SC   $5 / $7 SC
15/ $75                  $45/ $62 SC   $20/ $28 SC   $10/ $13 SC
16/ $80                  $50/ $65 SC   $20/ $28 SC   $10/ $13 SC
17/ $85                   $50/ $65 SC   $25/ $35 SC   $10/ $ 13 SC
18/ $90                   $50/ $65 SC   $25/ $35 SC   $ 15/ $20 SC
19/ $95                   $55/ $72 SC   $25 / $35 SC   $ 15 / $20 Sc
20/ $100                   $55 / $72 SC   $30 / $42 SC   $15/ $20 SC


Little more detailed break down....payouts represent the two options of taking cash or Store Credit.  Working on the Payouts beyond 20 entries. 
We usually only get about 15-20 to our events, but after being encouraged to further promote our little events, will need to revamp and get higher numbers.

We will have lollipops for EVERYONE!!!!
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: coops on June 26, 2013, 04:39:24 PM
Might have to see if I can show up to work a little later than normal  8)
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Ken Franks on June 26, 2013, 04:54:13 PM
Since it's a bit more organized than seemingly so, did you factor in the $1 per person to the club?
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: coops on June 26, 2013, 05:05:47 PM
Since it's a bit more organized than seemingly so, did you factor in the $1 per person to the club?

Doesn't seem as if it is an 'event' per se but rather a group of golfers that want to gamble and set constraints on the tools used for play. Not sure why they'd have to pay the club.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Ken Franks on June 26, 2013, 05:11:59 PM
Since it's a bit more organized than seemingly so, did you factor in the $1 per person to the club?

Doesn't seem as if it is an 'event' per se but rather a group of golfers that want to gamble and set constraints on the tools used for play. Not sure why they'd have to pay the club.

 cause they are using a Club course as a source of advertisement/product sales and charging an entry and using a club paid for site to do such.. I think It's a fine lines when it comes to disc golf business'.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Ken Franks on June 26, 2013, 05:15:14 PM


Little more detailed break down....payouts represent the two options of taking cash or Store Credit.  Working on the Payouts beyond 20 entries. 
We usually only get about 15-20 to our events, but after being encouraged to further promote our little events, will need to revamp and get higher numbers.

We will have lollipops for EVERYONE!!!!

 plus, the the word "event" is used a few times....

 on a side note, I like lollipops!!!
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: discglover on June 26, 2013, 05:21:36 PM


Little more detailed break down....payouts represent the two options of taking cash or Store Credit.  Working on the Payouts beyond 20 entries. 
We usually only get about 15-20 to our events, but after being encouraged to further promote our little events, will need to revamp and get higher numbers.

We will have lollipops for EVERYONE!!!!

 plus, the the word "event" is used a few times....

 on a side note, I like lollipops!!!
If that is the case. Nobody other than dues paid club members should only be allowed access to the discussion page. Why attack this guy when others promote "events" all the time on here and not give money to the club. Now I'm about to get attacked!
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on June 26, 2013, 05:26:31 PM


Little more detailed break down....payouts represent the two options of taking cash or Store Credit.  Working on the Payouts beyond 20 entries. 
We usually only get about 15-20 to our events, but after being encouraged to further promote our little events, will need to revamp and get higher numbers.

We will have lollipops for EVERYONE!!!!

 plus, the the word "event" is used a few times....

 on a side note, I like lollipops!!!
If that is the case. Nobody other than dues paid club members should only be allowed access to the discussion page.

We've actually had discussions about just that on more than one occasion. This may be something we try to do at some point. We'd keep some public pages available but the bulk of the content would be available only to dues paid club members. Not saying we're for sure going to do that but we have the capability and have discussed it. It won't be anytime soon though so if you're concerned about it you can relax.

And I must also interject that I too enjoy a good lollipop from time-to-time...
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: coops on June 26, 2013, 05:27:55 PM
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If that is the case. Nobody other than dues paid club members should only be allowed access to the discussion page. Why attack this guy when others promote "events" all the time on here and not give money to the club. Now I'm about to get attacked!

I agree with this. If they were running this through the club and/or using the club insurance then this issue would be more cut and dry but as is it is a public park and he is using a website that can be accessed by anyone (though it is a club resource) to advertise it. If this has to pay then should Olathe Glow league also have to pay?
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Ken Franks on June 26, 2013, 05:28:40 PM
Nobodies being attacked, Don.

 It's a DISCUSSION board, things are being DISCUSSED...

 What EVENTS are done on KCFDC courses and money not given to the club?

Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: robm on June 26, 2013, 05:31:18 PM
Besides KCFDC, I'm also a LBG (Lawrence Brewer's Guild) forum rat.  They most important part of the forum locks out people that have not paid dues.  Personally, I think it is awesome.

ekolk - going back to when we met the first time at a board meeting - if I had to pay dues, I would have joined sooner.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Ken Franks on June 26, 2013, 05:32:59 PM
the major difference IMO is, its a for profit business, making a profit, running an event on a club course...



 
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Ken Franks on June 26, 2013, 05:35:13 PM
Besides KCFDC, I'm also a LBG (Lawrence Brewer's Guild) forum rat.  They most important part of the forum locks out people that have not paid dues.  Personally, I think it is awesome.

ekolk - going back to when we met the first time at a board meeting - if I had to pay dues, I would have joined sooner.

 the FEEDGA also does this, though I believe you can read anything, but have to be current to post...

 I also think its a great idea....
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: coops on June 26, 2013, 05:39:25 PM
the major difference IMO is, its a for profit business, making a profit, running an event on a club course...

It is a for-profit business that is offering a full-payout event. They aren't taking any money from the payout, according the the sample payout structure offered here, and are only making money if people opt to receive plastic payout at their store. Doesn't seem like huge windfall for them either way.

And, this might/should be the litmus test, are they using our insurance? If no, why pay us anything. It is still a public park whether or not it is supported by the KCFDC. They can/should do whatever they want out there. They have made it explicitly clear that this isn't a tournament and is for fun with a little side-action. They even said if you don't want to pay you don't have to and can just come out to play.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Utz on June 26, 2013, 06:45:43 PM
and are only making money if people opt to receive plastic payout at their store

^^This.

It could easily be against our terms and agreements of the forum:

"Publicity and/or solicitation for a cause or the promotion of goods and/or services will be monitored closely by the kcfdc.org forum administrators who are appointed by the Board of Directors. Generally, if a discussion topic is related to the KCFDC or disc golf (as a project or community), it will usually be allowed. Commercial promotions (specifically for-profit promotions) are discouraged and may be subject to removal."

We built this mechanism to be ambiguous. The fact they're posting payouts, and calling this an event is more than enough indication this could be commercial solicitation. Not to worry folks, we're already on the case and have contacted Mile North about how we can proceed where everyone wins and gets to do their thing. Conversely we do not want to punish those who use the proper channels for event planning ( e.g. DGW or DD)

Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Aaron on June 26, 2013, 07:35:56 PM
I'm curious..... What is so top secret that we need to keep out non club members?  As a member I have yet to see anything on this forum that would warrent limitations of access. No wait how about we keep all the complaining and negativity to club members only that way the new players won't see it till it is too late. By then the club will have their money. Oh and my two cents, public courses can be played by any of the public, wether someone likes a privately owned business or not.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: jack on June 26, 2013, 08:05:47 PM
Public courses that have contracts with the KCFDC though must go through channels with the KCFDC to use the courses.

The KCFDC has maintained the courses over the years and the relationships with the parks.  Most of the parks you play on were built and maintained with members of the KCFDC in the name of the club and the promotion of the sport.  Just as the KCFDC has the working ability to "close" a course to public play during times agreed upon by the P&R and the club, the club also has a right in most of our courses to ensure that the work and efforts of thousands of hours of volunteer work over many decades at this point is secured.

Think about the courses you play the next time.  Though the city may have initially funded the baskets, chances are that the alternate placement you are playing is due to donations by the KCFDC.  The baskets Down Under were given to the WyCo because of the efforts of the KCFDC to host a world championships, in this case the course could theoretically be yanked by the club because the baskets there are not the county P&R, but rather the club's.  Now tihs isn't going to happen, but its something that should organizations choose to use the courses without following guidelines in place for all organizations and businesses could happen.  (it wont, just making a point)

The reality of it all is that this is a new disc golf related business asking/using a forum that is maintained by the club but didn't ask the club.  I am sure that things will be discussed to ensure that everything can work out.  I mean really how many people are going to attend an event at 9 on a Tuesday morning, and how much would it affect the other local players.

The goal of the club is to promote the sport and encouraging the growth and participation of our sport.  Another business working in the area that is new, may not be aware of the protocols needed and as such conversations will happen.  Ultimately it brings a continuity of the groups wanting to help the sport grow which should encourage more participation at all levels.

As for the $1/club fee I think that is for charitable events (generally refunded to the event in the name of the club), leagues, and then C-Tiers are now $2, B-Tiers $3, A-Tiers-$4, and NT's-$5 (non sanctioned I believe is $2/person per tournament).  I know that it was discussed I am uncertain if it was codified.  Yes there was a nominal fee of $50 for "closing" a course or the fees associated with the aforementioned pricing which ever is greater.

This stems from a long ago issue with some vendors coming to town and holding "Events" on club courses while they were traveling through town and it isn't fair to the club to lose that potential income stream for the work needed to maintain and orchestrate the things that the club does in many of our parks.  So it isn't something new, its just something that as former member of the BoD (Tank) rightfully is aware of now and wasn't afraid to ask.

It can all work and the goals are the same to make it good for everyone, so I am confident that everyone will be on the same page in regards to ensuring that events happen on the courses by multiple vendors/organizations.  This year alone, DGW, DD, LSDiscs, Corporate Challenge, etc.....have all hosted events following the procedures and that will continue to happen 
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: jamidanger on June 26, 2013, 09:40:01 PM
i'm going to try to make it out there and wango a wizard.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: MileNorthKCMO on June 27, 2013, 02:04:02 PM
EVENT CANCELLED!!!!  Sorry
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: coops on June 27, 2013, 02:56:22 PM
Well that's too bad.

Any particular reason?
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 27, 2013, 03:54:42 PM
Well that's too bad.

Any particular reason?

Sounds like someone did not pay tribute to the KCFDC.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: jamidanger on June 27, 2013, 04:33:35 PM
that sucks, Tuesday morning actually fits my schedule. I like what y'all are trying to do though. if kcfdc is hindering your attempts to provide some fun for the golf community, it may be politically correct to post up in the "courses not affiliated with the kcfdc" section. down under is a fun course for one disc.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Kelly Markum on June 27, 2013, 05:00:56 PM
it may be politically correct to post up in the "courses not affiliated with the kcfdc" section.

I don't think he can post anymore...the user id "milenorthkcmo" looks to be suspended. It shows him as a guest now instead of a novice poster or whatever it use to say
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: jack on June 27, 2013, 05:05:32 PM
The issue as I see it is the protocols involved with the nature of a for-profit venture trying to use a course that is working with the KCFDC.  All other vendors and business, and charitable venues get it, so with them being new, they may not fully realize all the efforts that the KCFDC does in terms of the course maintenance, the partnerships with the P&R's, the years of planning for courses to get them in.  Some courses that have not gone in yet that are planned were first discussed almost 10 years ago.  These things take time, and to have a business that makes itself available to the sport locally should take the time to lean on and learn the best method to get that exposure.

I would bet that it is simply a matter of their need to follow guidelines that all are asked to do when looking to host an event on a KCFDC sponsored course.

Once they learn that angle it shouldn't be hard for them to get things along these lines moving would be my guess.  With as many events as we have now in KC, the need to have it organized in a fashion that is fair and manageable to all is needed.  The days of just picking a date and making it work aren't the norm.  Now it is more like, what day is available for an event, and will it work with the schedule that I am looking to do?
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: coops on June 27, 2013, 05:11:59 PM
If the payout weren't structured to allow for store credit would this event have been blacklisted? (i.e. if it were 100% payout and the for-profit portion of the business were essentially taken out of this event)
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: jack on June 27, 2013, 05:25:11 PM
I don't think it was blacklisted (as you put it), any event though that is disc golf related on any of courses need to go through the channels.  Anytime that there are events in most of the cities that we are partners with, we get a call asking them to help with the dynamics of it.

I know that anything that comes near KCMO for example with a request they direct them to me personally to investigate it.  So if they had called the P&R chances are they would have been directed back to the KCFDC and the contact accordingly.

You can't just go out into a park and have/host an event due to all the liabilities involved without approval from the P&R.  It does happen, but the first time that it does happen without knowledge and there is an incident you can bet that it will never happen again.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: coops on June 27, 2013, 05:37:26 PM
If there is no store credit offered (I know there was, but I'm trying to get at the hypothetical core of the issue) how would this 'event' be any different than 20 people agreeing to get together and make a little wager while loafing?
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Mike Hyzer on June 27, 2013, 05:56:00 PM
If there is no store credit offered (I know there was, but I'm trying to get at the hypothetical core of the issue) how would this 'event' be any different than 20 people agreeing to get together and make a little wager while loafing?

Yep, doesn't have to be an event. I say we commence this idea, loafer style.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: coops on June 27, 2013, 08:30:18 PM
Might be interested. Have to see if I can get approval to show up to work a little later than normal.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Ken Franks on June 28, 2013, 05:47:02 AM
Hell, I was gonna play in it too...

 Just wanted to make sure all Tee's were crossed and Eye's dotted....
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: robm on June 28, 2013, 08:27:17 AM
EVENT CANCELLED!!!!  Sorry

Anybody noticed how this cancellation was done by Milenorthkmco but the original posting was done by MileNorthKCMO.

What up?
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: white mccoy on June 28, 2013, 08:32:46 AM
Jeez,

I learned a lot in my Friday morning(avoid doing any kind of work) forum reading.  Thanks KCFDC.

Now, who wants to loaf with some super-class discs on 4th of July morning for a little bling on the side. I vote Swope, but will play wherever.  I will move this to swope forum also.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: jhinck2 on July 01, 2013, 11:14:51 AM
EVENT CANCELLED!!!!  Sorry

Anybody noticed how this cancellation was done by Milenorthkmco but the original posting was done by MileNorthKCMO.

What up?

I was in the shop this past weekend and the event is indeed cancelled.  I'm not sure why another user name was created, but the store owner did tell me the event was cancelled. 

The rest of the conversation left me with a sour taste; I probably won't be back...and I'm going to leave it at that.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Kevin Montgomery on July 01, 2013, 11:25:07 AM
EVENT CANCELLED!!!!  Sorry

Anybody noticed how this cancellation was done by Milenorthkmco but the original posting was done by MileNorthKCMO.

What up?

I'm not sure why another user name was created....

His original account was deleted somehow and that seems to remain a mystery. But he created a new account that was in place the next morning with the slightly misspelled name. I re-associated all of his prior posts with the new account and modified his account name to be the same as his previous account. His account is now back to normal.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: discglover on July 01, 2013, 05:40:55 PM
EVENT CANCELLED!!!!  Sorry

Anybody noticed how this cancellation was done by Milenorthkmco but the original posting was done by MileNorthKCMO.

What up?

I was in the shop this past weekend and the event is indeed cancelled.  I'm not sure why another user name was created, but the store owner did tell me the event was cancelled. 

The rest of the conversation left me with a sour taste; I probably won't be back...and I'm going to leave it at that.
Not going to be back where?
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: ian on July 02, 2013, 02:32:47 PM
Not going to be back where?

I'm assuming Mile North
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: mperry on July 02, 2013, 03:26:41 PM
Not going to be back where?

I'm assuming Mile North
Correct. I was told what happened and agree on the decision to spend my money elsewhere.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: dbolyard on July 21, 2013, 12:07:20 AM
Besides KCFDC, I'm also a LBG (Lawrence Brewer's Guild) forum rat.  They most important part of the forum locks out people that have not paid dues.  Personally, I think it is awesome.

ekolk - going back to when we met the first time at a board meeting - if I had to pay dues, I would have joined sooner.

 the FEEDGA also does this, though I believe you can read anything, but have to be current to post...

 I also think its a great idea....

This ^ Not a bad idea for an exclusive organization like the PDGA.  How exclusive does a local disc golf club need to be?
Kansas city is a hub for disc golf.  As far as I can see, this forum is hands down the best place for new players, and disc golfers passing through, to find out when, where, and how to get plugged in.

Has anyone else ever encountered difficulty accessing other club forums when traveling, when all you want to do is find out when/where local events are being held?
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: dickthediscparker on July 21, 2013, 09:06:26 AM
We actually have a great website, kcfdc.org, which has all that great information on it in pretty colors. You don't have to wade through all the forums to find that info. The Forum serves a purpose though i will admit. Hopefully one day we can integrate the two together so you will no longer leave that pretty site of ours to come here.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: dbolyard on July 21, 2013, 11:05:02 PM
I agree with you that kcfdc.org is the best place to start.   I guess I'm commenting from the inside, since I know the forum offers details that you don't get initially from kcfdc.org.  An example would be the OP event that almost happened, or local golfers reaching out to other players for a round somewhere.  Perhaps new or outside golfers will take to the forums to scout out local attitudes, or competition.  Whatever picture is painted in someone's mind after visiting here depends on what they come here to find.  There's plenty of good stuff to be found here, but it is an online discussion board... ::)
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: kevweiss on July 31, 2013, 10:26:07 PM
Just curious what courses around KC are kcfdc courses?
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: KCVinnie on August 01, 2013, 06:44:05 AM
I think all of the courses on the forum home page listed under KCFDC Courses and not in the Other Courses area of the forum.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: Kelly Markum on August 01, 2013, 08:08:48 AM
Just what Vince said, but legacy doesn't actually have a contract with the club either.
Title: Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
Post by: john theiss on August 01, 2013, 09:16:54 AM
not sure if Blue Springs has one either.  maybe Ben got that done,  i never gained much traction when asking for one.