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Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 05, 2016, 06:09:25 pm »
Assuming women are in the competition, would they compete against one another, or would they be in the mix to be pitted against anyone?

From what Joe said if they go the 3 women to qualify route, then they would allow 1 women per team and 1 alternate women per team. Then he would do a Mix card. So each women would have a male partner. Then in singles you would go head to head against the other female.

Right!
What The Dick said.

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Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 05, 2016, 02:43:00 pm »
First of all, thanks for all the feedback.

Second, please ignore any rambling I may do, because I have a million ideas floating through my head and will jump around like crazy probably.

Problem #1
The whole reason that we need 6 women to compete that wish to play in the team championship is to make sure we are getting the best women on each team and that one team is left with a default of the only 2 women that wish to play ending up finishing 20th and 30th in the diva tournament.  No offense, but that is not the "best of the best". If there isn't at least 6 women that legitimately want to play and know they can play the weekend of June 18th/19th, then we will end up only getting the 2 women that wanted to play qualifying, regardless if they finished 1st or last.  It is not fair to either side of the line, if one team has 2 good players that qualify out of 6, and the other team has 2 poor players qualify out of 6, because the top 4 competing were not going to be able to play in the team challenge anyway.  Hope that makes some sense.

Problem #2
Diva weekend may not be the best now that I think about it, unless there are a significant amount of women playing that are 1)from KC or surrounding, and 2)Can legitimately play on the team challenge weekend.

My solution...but I need to ok with Zeke...is:
I like Amy's idea to get the ball rolling.

I want to summarize some thoughts that have been shared this morning and start a discussion:

For a tournament that is designed to showcase KC's "best of the best," it's important that women earn a place (by defeating other women), and not get there by default." Having a qualifier/qualifiers is totally reasonable. But 3-5 women is a decent showing, even for a large local tournament, and that's from the metro as a whole. Setting a requirement of six women from each state feels like we're being set up to fail. From the most recent PDGA demographics report, the membership was 92% male, 8% female. Using the teams of 16 men as a starting point, that means that adding just one woman to each team, and a qualifying event of 2-3 women would be more likely to succeed, particularly in the shadow of last year's drama (that last fragment is completely my (Amy's) opinion).

Perhaps a better starting place would be 3-4 women minimum (per state) competing for 1-2 spots on each side, with 1 getting the alternate spot. This would convey a sincere interest in opening the event to women, and therefore are encouraging more women to try and qualify.

Lastly, I would remind anyone reading this that I said my intent is to "start a discussion," not to demand rule changes.

It would be better to start with a fewer number of women, and by adding only 1 woman to the team, that frees the captains up to mix and match the match-ups, instead of having to face the same 4 women off against each other for every round.
This would allow women to start to gain ground into the challenge, but not ask for too many to step up too fast.  Of course they would be teamed up with a man in both doubles rounds, but this allows some great strategy to both captains.  Then the women would play against each other in the final singles round.  Could be the deciding match :o

So 3 women competing for 1 spot, + an alternate, sounds like a good starting point.  This could probably be managed on Diva weekend, or we could hold a separate qualifier on each side of the state line on a day that works out best for you ladies.  We just need a YES I WOULD PLAY IN THE TEAM CHALLENGE ON JUNE 18/19, from at least 3 women before the qualifier is held, and at least 3 have to show up and compete.  I don't want 4 women to show up, and then when finished, the top 2 tell me they can't play that weekend, so I am stuck with the bottom 2.  This is not the best of the best.  Agreed?

If and only if Zeke agrees: Then any women from Kansas that wish to qualify, and can play June 18/19, please PM me with your contact info.  From there we can start to work on a date to hold a qualifier that will work for all.  Missouri contact your representative: Zeke
But please wait until I get a response from Zeke, or it might be all for nothing.

With only 1 woman added, I would hope to keep the teams to 16, +4 men alternates, and 1 extra woman alternate.  But that needs to be decided on as well.


JoeT - I'm not sure I want to open that can of worms up this year.  I understand your point, but where do we draw the line?  What about 850 and lower rated players, 40 and older, 50 and older,  lefties, turbo-putters of America. We have had 50 and older players on each side every year.  I think the age discussion will have to wait.  I do not have the time this year.  But you can start a 60 and older team challenge if you like.  Or you can come out and kick some a$$ and qualify.  Maybe we will hold a Wyco qualifier ;D

Think on these ideas and I will do the same.  I'm off to Nashville to golf, eat, drink, and sleep until Tuesday.  I'll check back then.

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Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 04, 2016, 08:38:01 pm »
2016 Team Challenge:

Zeke and I have discussed…and we are more than willing to open up 2 extra spots + 1 alternate to the WOMEN….if and only if, there is enough interest.  If you ladies would like to compete for your state(Kansas or Missouri) and you live in a 50 mile radius of KC, then show your interest please. 
 
Women's New Qualifier Rule:  There must be at least 6 or more women on each side that are willing to compete on a single day of play to qualify for 2 spots and 1 alternate
If this qualifier wants to go down on the Diva weekend tourney, that works great too.  We just need to have enough interest from both sides to make it fair.  So speak out, and bring some friends beat for your spot.  If nothing is determined by Mid-March, we will just roll with the same format as the last 2 years. 

Format will change a touch this year.  In order to make the Sunday go faster, and add a little more golf to Saturday the points rounds will be changing slightly.

2016 Format:
16 Players + 4 alternates for each side.  (18 Players + 4 Male alts & 1 Female alt…if women are added)

Saturday June 18th:
8 points available
Best shot doubles Hosted by Missouri (Course TBD)

Sunday June 19th:
24 points available
Kansas Hosts (Course TBD):
Alternate shot doubles - 8 points
Singles - 16 points

Missouri needs 16.5 points to take the Trophy back

I will answer any questions the best I can. But see http://kcfdc.org/forum/index.php?topic=11241.0 for all ground rules.

I will announce qualifiers as we get closer to warmer weather, but count on Kan-U-Wyco or Rosedale Open being the first qualifier. TBD

Ladies, speak up!

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: February 04, 2016, 07:54:12 pm »
2/3 Rosedale 6-6-6 Results:

14 tough MFers out on a cold and windy night.

-5 Tony Martella/CurtCooper  $30
-5 JoeH/TommyJ   $30
-2 Stracke/Trober   $5
-2 Loveall/Hucke   $5
Loveall and Hucke took off and Stracke/trober decided to add the $10 to ace fund rather than split $2.50 four ways.
-1 Renzelman/GregS
0  MikeQ/TCorp
+2 ZaneH/AndrewQ


Ace fund up to $73.

CUNW

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: February 02, 2016, 08:19:28 pm »
2/3 Glow travels back to Rosedale.

Random Draw dubs, 6:15 sign in, 6:30 tee. $5 + $1 for ace. Ace fund at $50.

6-6-6 format. Holes 1-6 Best shot, 7-12 Best score, 13-18 Worst Drive.

Go see Ricky Wysocki at DD from 4:30-6:00 and come play some dubs after.

Ps: does anyone know if it is still in ice bowl short set-up or has some pins been moved?

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: January 28, 2016, 08:09:58 am »
1/27 Pro-Am Results:

13 players on a nice warm evening.

Hesting Bros   -16   $37
Loomis/Renzelman  -14  $18
CJ/RobM    -13   $10
Stracke/RyanCecil  -12
Lazzo/AaronM   -12
Tober/Andrew   -11
T-Corp/Cali  -11


Ace fund up to $50

Next week, we gonna get weird!

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: January 26, 2016, 04:50:19 pm »
Tomorrow night (1/27), 6:15 sign in at Harmon Park.  $5 to play, $1 ace fund

45 degree evening, playing 20 holes of Pro-Am doubles. Come get some!

Ace fund starts at $39.



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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: January 15, 2016, 07:54:47 am »
Results from Wednesday 1/13 Rosedale Glow
28 golfers out for a nice evening in the high 30's.

The Hesting Bros  -13  $60
Carl/CJ  -10 $28
Martella/Trober -10 $28
Stracke/Carson -9 $14      (I have $7 for Stracke)

Loveall/Waldron -7
Corp/Reek -7
Loomis/Mike Q -7   
(3 way tie for $10-last cash, though Loomis/Q team turned in the wrong score of 48, so they were DQ'd from cash, Reek gone, Waldron cold, so Loveall vs Corporon for a sudden-death playoff.  Loveall won the $10 on the 2nd hole)

Harvey/Renzelman -6
Dixon/Oates -6
Willy/MattyO -5
Zink/C-Cooper -3
NateF/GregL -2
Lanny/Cade +1
Graham/Alex +1

I will not be running league next week on the 20th because of a small band called TOOL coming to town.  If anyone wants to get something going and collect ace money, I will add it to the pot the following week, or pay half if it gets hit.  Pot is at $34 after no aces this week.

I will see you all on the 27th, and post format and destination as we get closer.

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: January 12, 2016, 06:19:11 pm »
NOTICE:
Wednesday Harmon Park Glow league will be moved to Rosedale Park (Uptop) tomorrow night.
Random Draw Dubs
6:15 check-in by hole 1
Tee at 6:30.
$5, $1 extra for ace fund

Message me if you are running later than 6:15. If you show up at 6:30, and cards are already drawn, you will be left out.

See you tomorrow.

PS:
Hole configuration last night.
1-short
2-short
3-short left
4-short
5-straight
6-long right
7-middle
8-longest before island
9-left before gap
10-short right
11-long straight
12-middle right
13-left
14-right
15-short
16-short
17-long left
18-in front of tennis courts

This was configuration yesterday. Will someone please comment if anything changes before tomorrow.
Thanks

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: January 07, 2016, 12:24:39 pm »
4 aces in 8 weeks!

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: January 07, 2016, 10:49:41 am »
Matt Ovel:)

Forgot to mention Dan Stracke's sweet ace last night. Final hole of the night, tee pad #1 to my instep basket on parking lot island, about 260 ft. His partner threw OB, and Stracke steps up and throws a river on a soft hyzer dead center into the chains! It moves them from out of cash into 2nd place and $20. Fun to watch! All that dude does is ace!
Payout was half the ace fund. Giving him $10.

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: January 06, 2016, 09:34:35 pm »
1/6/16 Results

Cj/Joe -10 $35
Stracke/JT -8 $20
Loomis/MattyO -7 $10
Trober/Schout -7
TCorp/JRenzel -5
Graham/Cade -2
Harvey/Cali +1

Next week We travel to Rosedale for Random doubles.
6:15 sign in 6:30 start

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: January 06, 2016, 01:45:58 pm »
Harmon Regular Random draw doubles will happen tonight.

6:15 sign in, 6:30 tee

$5 to play, $1 extra for ace

Cheers!

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: December 31, 2015, 08:12:18 am »
12/30/15 Results

    Par 60
JustJoe/Stracke      - 46 - $40
CadeG/CJ              - 47 - $15
Zane/Graham        - 48
T-Corp/Cali           - 49
Jay/MattyO.          - 52
Dixon/Thimmesch - 54

Next week, same time.

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Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: December 30, 2015, 11:47:36 am »
12/23/15 Alternate shot results:
 
  Par 90
Zane H/CJ Hucke -                      81 - $40
S. Dresser/Luke Cooperbey -        84 - $15
Joe H/Travis Corp. -                      86
Rob Martin/Tommy Johns -           88
Cade G/Singles with -2 handicap - 88
Matt O/Thimmesch -                     92

10 players in on the ace, but that was nabbed quickly with another skip ace on 8, this time by Zane.  Dresser got basket on 4, and Cade about put in an incredible ace on hole 1 from a north tee mando under the pavilion. 

Come out tonight for regular doubles.
Dress warm and it is not too bad, I'm going to check on the tees here in a bit and will get them clean if they are not already:)

Sign in by 6:15, tee at 6:30.

PS:  Dan Stracke decided to wrap christmas gifts by the fire last Wednesday instead of bringing us some christmas ace beer.  So we can always hope for refreshments tonight:)





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