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It is posted here. It's a vote. Has anybody casted a vote? Right now, on FB Perry (the tips) has a demanding lead.

You are always welcome to vote here, and Harold counts them. He will make the course official usually on Wednesday evening or Thursday morning.

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the KCFDC facebook page

The private KCFDC Facebook Group, not the community page. Just to clarify.

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Prairie Center / Re: Theft and vandalism reported at the course!!!
« on: December 08, 2014, 09:24:29 PM »
It was found tonight at glow league in the creek!! Hooray!!!

That's an awful lot of work to leave the basket in the creek.

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General Banter / Re: I must apologize and clarify
« on: December 04, 2014, 12:03:10 PM »
Mo state coordinator and I have talked, for awhile now, about "  Wouldn't it be cool if the KCFDC applied to Host US Masters, Or US Womens.

Crispian, Our club is the kind that would completely embrace that, dontchu agree?  ;)

I've asked Eric a bit about why the KCFDC doesn't host more junior events. Here's the popular response: "A lot of people have talked about it, somebody just needs to do it and own it."

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General Banter / Re: I must apologize and clarify
« on: December 04, 2014, 11:49:59 AM »
"Established fact" rings of maintaining the institutionalized "status quo" of the sport instead of growing the sport and reaching for other demographics. I will admit that I was unaware of the increase in percentage of space available for women in the GBO, but this should also be expected as an NT event which will draw more of the top women. Maybe that's a bit presumptuous, but thank you for pointing that out Jack. Wouldn't an event seeking exceptional enrollment and a company who truly wanted to expand the sport look at opening up more spots for women, say 10% (90 players, still minimal) as a way to encourage women to sign up for the PDGA and play more competitively?

I've also seen several times in this post the use of downward social comparisons. These comparisons are embarrassingly poor excuses for the reason things are a certain way. Saying things like, "well because my division was full or didn't make I had to play elsewhere." This doesn't inherently make it right for you or the other divisions. Statements like "This isn't gender bias that is being insinuated, this is a fact of the sport" show comfort with the current status of the sport instead of trying to push for growth in other demographic areas. I'm certainly not trying to be confrontational, just stating that these statements are what perpetuate status quo.

I am in no way slighting DD for their organization and operation of the GBO and it is certainly set up to be a premiere event for this calendar year. In fact, I signed up very early and reserved my hotel room before rates went up for that weekend. You mention that for women disc golf to grow that more women need to sign up for the PDGA and get more to play competitively? Couldn't the reverse argument be made that for women to sign up for the PDGA and play more competitively that opportunities need to be presented for them that exceed the current percentage of the sport? It was mentioned earlier that KC women have a great disc golf culture that isn't duplicated in many communities. I think this is great. I don't mind status quo, as a thirty year old white protestant male I am a benefactor of  status quo. It also isn't bad to push the envelope and be unconventional.

I apologize for my very circular ramblings in this post. I've had too much coffee.

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General Banter / Re: I must apologize and clarify
« on: December 04, 2014, 11:23:00 AM »
Don't say that Mike, as of yet Nailer and Utz have not appeared in this thread!

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General Banter / Re: I must apologize and clarify
« on: December 04, 2014, 10:41:45 AM »
Ugh... the GBO has an embarrassingly small amount of space for women. I think Liz was talking about wanting to sign up for intermediate women, but the division was already full. There are no KC women, whose names I recognized, that were signed up for the GBO. In particular the Intermediate Women group is already full with zero players from Missouri. This means that for an expected (read full) registration of 900 players that only 7.5% (68 - 20 open, 24 advanced, 24 intermediate) of their cap space is devoted to women players.

Tank, I think Crispian is trying to highlight some individual sentiments that appear to be more predominate than they should be. I imagine it feels somewhat similar to how I felt when I first started showing up to league. I felt out of place. I knew that I was going to throw much shorter distances, I knew that I was going to take 20 more strokes, and I knew that - from my perception - I would be slowing down the group. I would occasionally play up, only to have the opportunity to play with better plays. Not so that I could have advice solicited to me (which I would occasionally accept) but to learn from watching. I've heard people vocalize frustrations with slow play, I do it myself sometimes. There are women out there who would absolutely crush me in the short game, and the pros of course who would just beat me hands down. Even if you look at some league cards it becomes evident that some semblance of "ranking" is taking place and if you want to be placed on a "lead" card you almost need to request it.

Tank, I don't think you're a guilty party in any of this, and while I've never played with you, know that you're pretty inclusive in wanting people to play and just love the sport.  Speaking of women who play Downunder, Amy Crowe beat me by a couple strokes DU during the Club Championships.

There are numerous women who throw discs in Kansas City, however, most of them shy away from club and main events and spend their time playing with friends in a more casual environment. The Divas, as I understand them, are a pretty social group. They run their own league, they have their own tags, they have their own facebook group.  Why should they register and play club events only to play with the same people that they can on any other day of the week?

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General Banter / Re: Be Careful playing in Iowa
« on: December 01, 2014, 10:42:20 PM »
Apparently you missed Jeff's run in with the cops on his way to Lawrence this weekend for the disc golf tournament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxH51ylkmKU&feature=youtu.be&list=UUmDrV9AnQTsL6uOB2vGm7tQ

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Old Pike / Re: Dec 2nd Glow sponsored by the KCFDC and DG Nomad
« on: December 01, 2014, 06:28:13 AM »
Thanks, saw the format in the other threads, but wasn't sure it would be the same. Looking forward to playing up there as I never have before.

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Old Pike / Re: Dec 2nd Glow sponsored by the KCFDC and DG Nomad
« on: November 30, 2014, 09:28:23 PM »
What's the buy in, is this a BYOP event, and what time is registration/tee-off?

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Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: Hole 17 - barricade wood pile
« on: November 29, 2014, 10:07:27 PM »
We saw that at FTL on 11/21; we thought it was you.

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Good event Rob. Next year recruit some help of some kind.

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Winter Leagues / Re: Remaining Glow Dates
« on: November 29, 2014, 09:58:12 PM »
I'll take care of the remaining glow dates.

I was just talking about this tonight with some folks. I'll be happy to help when I know I can be there. If I can show up early, I will; I'll help set up and whatnot. Thanks Jeff. It was good playing with you last week at P-Hill.

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Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: Course is perfect
« on: November 26, 2014, 05:57:16 PM »
It's also just important to stand by the old adage "pack it in, pack it out." Those words of ancient wisdom can keep parks clean. I agree that trash cans are nice, but it's generally irresponsible players who make courses look trashy. I think the fundraising/opening day event were a huge success and that benches are in the works.

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Beginners / Re: New Players League - Monday's
« on: November 25, 2014, 09:41:52 PM »
^ The first league I played in.

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