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Barter Town / DD Marksman Basket - like new - $140
« on: November 06, 2018, 03:18:12 PM »
like new - barely ever used - stored/used inside only.

General Banter / Chainless
« on: November 01, 2017, 11:39:37 AM »
Ed Headrick's invention of the chain/basket combination for a target is the single most important factor in the growth of disc golf.  This target configuration made it easy to identify when a player had holed out.  It also made the game easier and thus more attractive to the casual player, than having to hole out by hitting a slender post/pole. 

Over the decades since its invention, the chain/basket targets have steadily evolved into disc "catching" devices. Players have come to feel they are entitled to make any shot that hits the chains.  Pros walk off courses that have older generation chain/basket targets and complain to the TD (or anyone that will listen) that those targets ought to be upgraded to the newest, best disc "catching" device designs.

The problem with chain/basket targets is not they don't "catch" enough. The problem is chain/basket targets catch too many throws that are *jammed* at them. Putting has become the easiest part of the game of disc golf due to the ever evolving design of chain/basket targets.

The solution to whether a target has a playable chain configuration or not is not to keep upgrading chain configurations and designs such that the target "catches" even better than previous generations of chain/basket targets. The solution is to simply remove the chains, hanger and all. Yes, play on chainless disc golf targets that have just the center post and basket.

This could be implemented on any course at zero cost to the course maintainers.  Doing so instantly converts a pitch and put course into a true par 3 challenge.  Removing the chains upgrades any decently difficult course to "gold" level and elevates any gold course to an epic challenge for even the best Pro's. 

Chainless disc golf would eliminate "jamming" and bring "putting," in every sense of the word, back to the game.  Putting would require vastly improved touch, accuracy and decision making.  But this will never happen because even the best players feel they are entitled to make every *jam* at the target.

Tournaments / Pace of Play
« on: March 15, 2017, 09:43:52 AM »
What does it mean?  If you and your group have fallen behind the group in front of you, thus holding up the entire field behind you, you should be warned by an official. Then you're going to have to run to catch up. Yes, running does qualify as EVERY EFFORT. If you fail to catch up in a reasonable amount of time, each player on the card should be stroked for each hole you remain behind.  Point is;  do not fall behind the group IN FRONT of you and your card.  It is inconsiderate to all the players backing up on holes behind you and thus why it is in the rules and player code of conduct.

       3.2 Pace of Play [1]
Last updated: Monday, August 10, 2015 - 16:05     

  • All competitors shall play without undue delay and will make every effort to keep up with the group in front of them. Players are required to quickly move from the completion of one hole to the tee area of the next hole. Also, while advancing down the fairway, the player shall not unduly delay play by his or her actions.
  • A player causing undue delays may be issued an excessive time violation by tournament officials. Please see PDGA Rules of Play 804.01B Excessive Time [2] regarding specific penalties.
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Barter Town / Go Ape Gift Certificate
« on: August 16, 2016, 09:19:36 AM »
I have one ticket for Go Ape Treetop Adventures ($62.77 value, not redeemable for merch, food or cash) from the players pack of the KCWO perf flight.  My wife and son aren't the thrill seeking type, so I won't be using it.

First to request the ticket can have it.

WYCO / 2016 Wyco League Fridays
« on: April 18, 2016, 12:39:45 PM »
Beckett said he would be posting info.   Maybe he meant on facebook or something.  But FYI, Wyco league is at 6:00pm every Friday. Be signed up by ~5:50.  There is an optional $5 side pot that will pay out the top third of the group that opts in.  This side pot is in addition to the usual league entry/payout structure.

Tournaments / Kansas City Team Challenge rules and guidelines
« on: March 09, 2015, 02:42:18 PM »
Kansas City Team Challenge

Purpose: Bring together teams from each of two designated areas within the Kansas City region to claim bragging rights for a year and to raise money for the Kansas City Flying Disc Club tree replacement fund.

Event Format:  Team Match Play
-- Day 1 (Saturday) Best Shot Doubles Match Play
   -- 8 matches worth one point each.
   -- These matches are hosted in odd years by Kansas side. They are hosted in even years by Missouri side. 
   -- The captain of the hosting side selects a KCFDC affiliate course in their state to hold the round.
   -- The host captain will have the option to put out first pairing or defer to visiting captain in the Match Creation process (see below).

-- Day 2 (Sunday) Alternate Shot Doubles Matchplay (a.m.) and Singles Match Play (p.m.)
   -- 8 doubles matches worth one point each and 16 singles matches worth one point each.
   -- These matches are hosted in odd years by Missouri side. They are hosted in even years by Kansas side
   -- The captain of the hosting side selects one KCFDC affiliate course in their state to hold the rounds.
   -- For the doubles matches, the host captain will have the option to put out first pairing or defer to visiting captain in the Match Creation process (see below). For the singles matches, that option will go to the captain who’s team has the points lead after the first two rounds.  If the points score is tied after the first two rounds, the option to begin the singles draft goes to the host captain.

Determining the Champion:
-- Each of 32 total matches is worth one point.
   -- The winner (paring or single) of a match will earn one point for their team.
   -- The loser of a match will earn zero points.
   -- A match that is tied (halved) will earn one half (.5) of a point for their team.
-- The reigning champion team must earn 16 points, or more, to retain the championship trophy.
-- The challenging team must earn 16.5 points, or more, to take the trophy away from the reigning champions.

Team Rosters:
-- Each team must have a minimum of 16 players and a maximum of 20 players
    -- If a team is unable to field the minimum 16 players, they will proceed with any matches they can’t assign pairings to as follows:
        -- Alternate Shot doubles matches; failure to field two players in any match will result in a forfeit.
            -- An alternate shot match will also be forfeit if a player becomes injured and/or otherwise can’t complete their assigned match.
        -- Best Shot doubles matches;  A player may be allowed to play alone in a Best Shot doubles match. But they will play the match as a single, not with “Cali rules.”
            -- The same is true if a partner cannot continue a match for some reason.  Their partner may continue the match as a single.
        -- Singles matches:  Failure to field a player for any singles match will result in a forfeit of that match
            -- A match will also be forfeit if a singles player cannot, for any reason, finish their match.
-- This is an Open event, as such, there are no divisional or *gender requirements.
     *If there is enough interest from women who are current members of the KCFDC, we will discuss opening an additional 2 spots for women only.
-- Each team will be formed at the discretion of their captain with the following suggested guidelines. 
   -- 1 captain spot
   -- No more than 6 spots from one PDGA sanctioned tournament (based on best scores across all divisions of that event).
   -- At least 9 spots from non-PDGA sanctioned events such as KCFDC leagues or specially created qualifying events.
   -- No more than 4 captain's picks.
-- Player eligibility: 
   -- If you live in the designated area and are a current KCFDC club member, you are eligible for the Kansas City Team Championship.
   -- The one and only hard and fast rule here is that you must reside in the state of the side you’re to play for. The rest of these rules are purely to prevent “ringers” from being brought in from other parts of the state for either team. 
   -- I’ll call the first the Amanda line and its KevMo exception.  The line within which you must reside is a circle of 50 mile radius drawn with its center at the confluence of the Kansas and Missouri rivers.  It was originally drawn at 50 miles to include Amanda Jackson in the event, who at the time lived in St Joseph, MO. The exception; it is possible someone resides outside that 50 mile radius circle but has been and is a very active volunteer of the KCFDC.  Kevin Montgomery comes to mind as one who fits this exception.
   -- The second is KCFDC membership. You must be a current member of the KCFDC or are heavily involved both historically and currently with the Kansas City area disc golf community.
   -- Exceptions to the eligibility rules can be decided on by the captains and the event coordinator.  Again, the rules here are not meant to exclude valued members of the KC disc golf community,  but rather to prevent either side from bringing in ringers from outside of our local community. 

Match Creation:
-- The match creation process for each format will begin approximately 30 minutes prior to the scheduled start time of the round for that format.
-- The first captain to select is based on the rules stated in Event Format (see above).
-- The match ups for each round will be determined in a “snake draft” style procedure as follows:
   -- Captain A announces which player(s) from their roster will participate in match #1.  Captain B then announces which player(s) will compete against captain A’s selection in match #1
   -- Captain B announces which player(s) from their roster will participate in match #2.  Captain A then announces which player(s) will compete against captain B’s selection in match #2
   -- This procedure repeats itself with the captains alternating who puts out player(s) first in each match until all the matches for that format round are determined.
-- Captains are free to put anyone from their pool of 16-20 players in any matchup, as long as they haven’t already been selected for a previous match in the current draft process.

Order of play:
All matches in each format will begin on a single hole designated by the host Captain and will play in the order created by the draft selection process. With the first player(s) announced in each match teeing off first to start the round.  Any player(s) that win a hole will have honors on the tee for the next hole.  For singles matches, which we run two matches per card, the player that has the best last score will tee off first, followed immediately by their competitor. Then the players of the other match on the card will tee off.

General Rules of Play:
-- The PDGA Official Rules of Disc Golf and Competition Manual shall be followed. 
-- Practice putting following the conclusion of a hole is allowed as long the player(s) observe the PDGA pace of play and excessive time rules.
-- Observe the host park laws for tobacco and alcohol use.

Specific format rules:
-- Alternate shot doubles:
   -- Alternate shot play: Players A and B are partners. They decide among themselves who tees off first on the the first hole. Let's say they decide on Player A to throw the opening tee shot. So on the first hole, Player A throws the tee shot. They walk to the lie, and Player B throws the second shot. The next lie is played by Player A. Then Player B and so forth until the disc is in the basket. They also alternate tee shots. Since, in our example, Player A threw the drive on the first hole, on the second hole Player B tees off. This is the case, even if player B holed out on the previous hole.
   -- If the wrong player on a team throws, the other team must call it immediately, like a foot fault. The team receives a warning, and the correct player throws. Subsequent violations incur a one-throw penalty applied to score on the hole being played.
   -- For any violation that requires a rethrow (stance violation, provisional throw), the same player throws.
-- Best Shot doubles:
   -- A team may take a reasonable amount of time to pick which lie they want before the 30-second play clock starts.
   -- A lie that is picked up without being marked is gone forever; the team must throw from the other lie. If the second lie is picked up, it must be replaced in accordance with PDGA rules. All lies must be marked according to PDGA rules.
   -- If the first player throws from the worse lie, the second player must also throw from that lie.  The better lie is lost.
   -- In case of injury or disqualification, one partner may play alone, throwing one shot at each lie (essentially playing as a single).

Basics of Match Play Scorekeeping (directly from
-- Simple: Win a hole, that's one for you; lose a hole, that's one for your opponent. Ties on individual holes (called halves) essentially don't count; they aren't kept track of in the scorekeeping.
-- The score of a match play match is rendered relationally. Here's what we mean: Let's say you've won 5 holes and your opponent has won 4. The score is not shown as 5 to 4; rather, it's rendered as 1-up for you, or 1-down for your opponent. If you have won 6 holes and your opponent 3, then you are leading 3-up, and your opponent is trailing 3-down.
-- Essentially, match play scoring tells golfers and spectators not how many holes each golfer has won, but how many more holes than his opponent the golfer in the lead has won. If the match is tied, it is said to be “all square.”
-- Match Play matches do not have to go the full 18 holes. They often do, but just as frequently one player will achieve an insurmountable lead and the match will end early. Say you reach a score of 6-up with 5 holes to play - you've clinched the victory, and the match is over.
-- What the Final Scores Mean
   -- Someone unfamiliar with match play scoring might be confused to see a score of "1-up" or "4 and 3" for a match. What does it mean? Here are the different types of scores you might see in match play:
   -- • 1-up: As a final score, 1-up means that the match went the full 18 holes with the winner finishing with one more hole won than the runner-up. If the match goes 18 holes and you've won 6 holes while I've won 5 holes (the other holes being halved, or tied), then you've beaten me 1-up.
   -- • 2 and 1: When you see a match play score that is rendered in this way - 2 and 1, 3 and 2, 4 and 3, and so on - it means that the winner clinched the victory before reaching the 18th hole and the match ended early.
   -- The first number in such a score tells you the number of holes by which the winner is victorious, and the second number tells you the hole on which the match ended. So "2 and 1" means that the winner was 2 holes ahead with 1 hole to play (the match ended after No. 17), "3 and 2" means 3 holes ahead to with 2 holes to play (the match ended after No. 16), and so on.
   -- • 2-up: OK, so "1-up" means the match went the full 18 holes, and a score such as "2 and 1" means it ended early. So why do we sometimes see scores of "2-up" as a final score? If the leader was two holes up, why didn't the match end on No. 17?
      -- A score of "2-up" means that the player in the lead took the match “dormie" on the 17th hole. "Dormie" means that the leader leads by the same number of holes that remain; for example, 2-up with 2 holes to play. If you are two holes up with two holes to play, you cannot lose the match in regulation (some match play tournaments have playoffs to settle ties, the Kansas City team Challenge does not).
      -- A score of "2-up" means that the match went dormie with one hole to play - the leader was 1-up with one hole to play - and then the leader won the 18th hole.
   -- • 5 and 3: Here's the same situation. If Player A was ahead by 5 holes, then why didn't the match end with 4 holes to play instead of 3? Because the leader took the match dormie with 4 holes to play (4 up with 4 holes to go), then won the next hole for a final score of 5 and 3. Similar scores are 4 and 2 and 3 and 1.

WYCO / 8-1-14 League results
« on: August 06, 2014, 10:29:37 AM »
I ran league in Mark's stead. Don't know what the Ace fund is up to guess was something north of $400.  No one hit it, so it increased by $5 this day.

Place  NameScorePaid
1Beckett Carduff   54$10
2Tracy Walker61$5
3Brandon Forbes67
4Phil Brice68
5Kevin Pike71

Come out this Friday, 8/8.

Tournaments / 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge - June 1-2, 2013
« on: October 23, 2012, 04:34:35 PM »
Announcing the second annual Kansas City Team Challenge

Hosting rights will flip flop from East to West each year.  The "Host" team gets 2 rounds (24 points worth of matches) on the course of their captains choice. The other round (8 points worth of matches) is played on the opposing teams turf.  2012 version was slightly different, but allowed a first Host to be determined for this year.  By virtue of their win in 2012, the East side will be the host team for 2013. Host team will alternate each year.  2014 will be West hosted.  2015 will be East hosted etc. 

June 1st and 2nd

Teams of 16 players (plus alternates) from KS. and MO. each to compete in match play of three formats (alternate shot doubles, best shot doubles and singles). Each match will be worth one point. East Side can retain the Eagle trophy with 16 points or more. The West side has to get 16.5 points or more to win the trophy.

Wyco - afternoon of Saturday the June 1st, for 8 alternate shot doubles matches.
Cliff Drive, on Sunday, June 2nd for the 8 best shot doubles matches in the morning and 16 singles matches after lunch.

MO - East Side - Ryan Keck
KS - West Side - Tracy Walker
To be determined!  Possibly a combination of spots obtained via qualifying or captains picks.  I'm leaving it up to the Captain of each side to determine how to build their team. I think we should stick with the 2 Women, 3 Masters (min.) and 11 Open players as required composition of each team.

$25. Unless you already have an official team jersey for your side, in which case it is just $10. $10 to support tree planting at KC area courses.

I'll provide more details as Ryan and I determine how we're going to form our teams.  June will get here sooner than you think.

Tournaments / East vs West Team Championship
« on: December 27, 2011, 12:49:41 PM »
move discussion here to stop thread drift on KCFDC board topic

Some basic thoughts on the event:

It will be a fund raiser.  All proceeds, less awards, will go to a beneficiary to be determined.

This is a club member only event.  However, in addition to being a club member, participants will have to compete in a certain number of summer leagues prior to a predetermined date (probably something like 2 weeks before the Team Championship event). This is to deter "ringers." 

Each team will have 16 players. The teams will be comprised of 10 players from qualifying event(s), 4 Captains picks and 2 lottery winners.  Each team will carry 10 Open, 4 Masters(minimum) and 2 Women.

The team Captains will be the club VP of each state. Currently John Theiss for MO. and Jim Sherwood for KS.  If they can't or don't want to be a Captain, they should be responsible to find someone to take their place.

The competition will be a two day, 3 round event, with 2 rounds of doubles matches on Saturday and 1 round of singles matches on Sunday.  Each match is worth 1 point (1 for a Win, 0 for a loss or .5 for a halve) for a total of 32 points. 16.5 needed to claim the Championship.

I'll present this with more detail to the BoD.  Basically, I'll be looking for their event support, some funding to secure a perpetual trophy and advice on a good charity to support.

WYCO / New Wyco Course Record
« on: September 04, 2009, 10:25:31 PM »
Who else? David Hemmeline improved the course record by one shot. Previous record also by David Hemmeline.
Here's how it broke down:
1Long Right 528'3
2Short Right389'3
6Long Left402'2
7Long Right549'3
13Short - no OB lines 666'3

Note: The card of Josh Warner, D. Loomis, Justin Atwater-Taylor and David Hemmeline star birdied holes #8 and #18.

Now for all the rest.

Ace Pot: $615

1David Hemmeline     45
2Leo Daprato53
3Tracy Walker54
4Justin Atwater-Taylor 56
5Dick Parker57
6Josh Warner58
7Nick Winkelbauer59
8D. Loomis60
9Andy Lewis 67
10Andy Jewettdnf

1Tom Butler54
2Dean Uhlman  60
3Mark Hogins   62
4Doc Norby   63
5Tony Todd   70

Reminder:  Start time next week will be no later than 5:45. Please be signed in and ready to go by 5:30.

WYCO / ACE ALERT!!! Wyco League results: Aug 8, 2008
« on: August 08, 2008, 10:52:10 PM »
Congratulations to Arturo Villarreal for throwing the first ever summer league ace at Wyco!
Hole #5 short was the giver of good fortune this evening.
The ace pot is at $2238 so Arturo will collect $1119 from the KCFDC.

I'll post complete league results tomorrow.

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