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Found and Lost / Found at Swope
« on: June 19, 2015, 02:20:15 pm »
No contact information for these discs:

Red DX Beast: there is a name on it.

Z-Buzzz: No name or contact info.  Can be IDed easily

Also a Silver Pain with Remsen written on it along with a phone number that has no voice mail set up.

We have them here at DGW.

General Banter / Great Article
« on: June 09, 2015, 04:46:35 pm »
This is probably the best article about a disc golf community I've ever read, and it's about us!

I wanted to share this with the forum public. As a member of the PDGA Board, reveiwing and voting for the Innovation Grants twice a year is one of the more pleasant tasks for me. If you have a good idea to help grow the sport, consider making application.

Attention Kansas City area disc golfers: Mark your calendars for the 10th Annual Kansas City Disc Golf Day on Saturday, May 31 at Swope Park from 10am to 3pm. Disc Golf Day is about celebrating disc golf in Kansas City with new and old friends by enjoying food and drink and playing golf and other games. Once again, DGD will be a fundraiser for the Kansas City Wide Open. Disc Golf Day is also a wonderful opportunity to introduce new people to the joys of disc golf.

For $20, players receive a commemorative disc and tee shirt, lunch, and a chance to win an Innova Sport Model DISCatcher or other prizes. The Kansas City Flying Disc Club will be providing the barbecue, some sides, and beverages. Everyone is invited to bring other sides, chips, and desserts to share.

The main prizes—the  Sport Model and an Innova Mini Target—will be given away in a drawing at the end of the day. To be eligible for prizes, a player must be a Disc Golf Day participant and play a round of disc golf at Swope that day. In addition to golfing and eating and celebrating, there will be Mini Golf, KC Hole 'Em, and a disc dog demo for further entertainment.

The Schedule
All Day: Pick up your individual scorecard, form your group, and play a round. Turn in your scorecard by 2:55 pm for a chance to win an Innova Traveler and other prizes.
Noon–2pm: BBQ Lunch. Feel free to bring sides, chips, desserts, etc. Beverages provided by the KCFDC.
1pm-3pm: KC Hold ‘Em, Mini Golf
2:15 pm: Frisbee Dog Demo with Joe Hesting and Tony Burnett
3pm: Drawing for Prizes.

Here's a link to download a entry form: You can pre-register at either Dynamic Discs or Disc Golf World…or just show up the day of the event.

For more information, contact Event Director Mike Petrin at 620.481.6206

Tournaments / 2014 Swope Spring Renewal Pairs Championships - May 3rd
« on: April 09, 2014, 04:51:23 pm »
2014 Swope Spring Renewal Pairs Championships
Saturday, May 3 • Swope Park Disc Golf Course • 2 Rounds of 18 Holes

❍ All players receive a commemorative screen-printed towel! ❍

Field is limited to 54 teams.  Please pre-register to guarantee your team’s spot.
This is not a PDGA-sanctioned event.
Divisions and Entry Fees:
Open: open to all players regardless of age or gender: $62 per team (cash payback)
100-Year: the combined ages of the partners must be at least 100 years: $42 per team (cash)
Amateur 1 (advanced): $42 per team (prize payback)
Amateur 2 (intermediate): $32 per team (prizes)
Mixed 1: 1 male and 1 female:  $32 per team (cash)
Mixed 2: 1 male and 1 female: $32 per team (prizes)
Amateur Women: $32 per team (prizes)
Adult-Child: (child 14 and under): $26 per team (prizes)
Student: must be 18 or under: $26 per team (prizes)

Minimum of two teams are required to open a division. Entry fee includes a $2 per team fee to the KCFDC.
Ace Fund (optional): $5 per team. If no ace, money will go to the top 3 teams in a C-T-P throw-off.

Onsite Late Registration: 8:00 am - 9:15 am
Players’ meeting: ~9:50. Tee off to follow.
2nd Round Tee: To Be Announced (probably 2ish)

To pay with bankcard, stop by Disc Golf World or call 816.471.3472.

For further information, contact Disc Golf World: 816.471.3472 or

Download a registration form here.

Tournaments / 17th Rosedale Amateur Championships - October 6
« on: September 13, 2013, 04:51:03 pm »
It's the time of the year for the 17th Annual Rosedale Amateur Championships, which will be played on the top course at Rosedale Park on October 6. This event has evolved through the years to become a fairly laid-back event with an emphasis on welcoming newer players to the world of competitive disc golf though extra attention to explaining the rules and procedures of disc golf. In addition, we will have several pros in attendance to share their knowledge as well. You can download an entry form here.

To further enhance each player's experience, we're still looking for additional sponsors. Sponsorship can be money, gift certificates, discs, shirts, beer, etc. We hope to have a nice selection of prizes to give away via throw-offs and/or CTPs. If interested, please download a sponsorship form here.

And finally, here's a fun look at the results from all the RACs from 2000-2012. Regrettably, we haven't yet found the data from the first four events, but the other 12 are in here. This was the first event for many of the players listed, including some who have kept playing events, often with much success. The file is an Excel spread sheet.

If you have any questions about playing or sponsorship or anything else, please call 816.471.3472 or write to

Found and Lost / Billfold Found at Rosedale
« on: May 16, 2013, 02:14:46 pm »
A billfold belonging to Leighton McFerren was found today in #9's basket by Earl Johansen. Earl tried returning it the address on Leighton's drivers license, but he has moved. Contact Leighton can contact DGW for Earl's phone

Found and Lost / Gloves Found at Ice Bowl
« on: February 11, 2013, 02:15:34 pm »
Pair of men's black gloves. Are at DGW.

Tournaments / 16th Rosedale Amateur Championships Is October 14
« on: September 11, 2012, 05:13:45 pm »
Hoping to field the field with 90 players. Last year, several people didn't get in because they didn't register early enough. So register early and often.

We thank this year's sponsors: The Westport Tomato Company, Innova Disc Golf, the Kansas City Flying Disc Club, and Eagle Products. We are currently in discussions with other sponsors.

You can download a registration form/flyer at

But here are the words found in the flier:

Disc Golf World, in cooperation with The West Plaza Tomato Company
and the Kansas City Flying Disc Club, presents the 16th annual
Rosedale Amateur Championships
A Trophy Only, Non-PDGA Event
Sunday, October 14, 2012
Rosedale Park • Kansas City, Kansas

Field is Limited to 90 Players. The event has sold out the last
three years. Please pre-register & GET your spot today!

The RAC is About Fun & Friendly Competition and Learning About the Rules and Nuances of Competitive Disc Golf

       We encourage players who have never played in a disc golf tournament before to play this event, as well as experienced players who enjoy mentoring newer players. We will be explaining the rules and offering other suggestions to help you become a better player. Thanks to the Kansas City Flying Disc Club, there will be several pros on the course during the second round to help with your throwing technique, tournament mindset, and rules questions. Competitors will play the top course only. The first round configuration will be longer than the second.
       PDGA ratings and the tournament director discretion will be used in an attempt to ensure competitive balance in the Am 1, Am 2, Am 3, and Am 4 divisions. We encourage those with PDGA ratings to play the division that befits your rating. PDGA guidelines for pros playing as ams are allowed. If unsure about what division is right for you, please contact Disc Golf World.

*Players’ Pack includes  Tournament-Stamped Innova Premium Disc and Performance shirt, a $10 DGW Voucher, an official rule book, and a mini.

Entry Fee: $35

     Divisional champions, and depending on the size of the division, some runner-ups will win personalized, full-color trophy discs.
       *Please note that the value of the players’  package exceeds the entry fee price. However, we are offering an optional $15 prize-pool ”entry booster” for those who want to win Disc Golf World merchandise vouchers. There will be one pool with a 100% payout to 45-50% to the prize pool field.

8:15 - 9:15: Player check-in. Shelter
9:30: Players’ meeting/tee-off. 
There will be approximately one hour for lunch between rounds
TBA: 2nd round tee-off.

Entry Form for the 16th Annual Rosedale Amateur Championships

Date of Birth:__________________
Phone #:_____________________________   
Address:___________________________________________________________________  E-mail:_________________________________________________

Divisions:   ___Amateur 1 (advanced)   ___Amateur 2 (Intermediate)  ___Amateur 3 (Recreational)   ___Amateur 4 (Novice)  ___ Masters (40 and older)  ___Grandmasters (50 and older)    ___Junior 16 & under    Gender:   ___Male   ___Female.  Three players required for a Trophy Division.
Performance Shirt:  Men’s: ___XXX  ___ XX  ___ X  ___ L  ___ M  ___  S.  Women’s:  ___ X  ___ L  ___ M  ___  S
Disc:  Blizzard Boss 140-169; Star Destroyer 165-175; Blizzard Katana 130-159; Metal Flake Champion Mamba 150, 165-175; Star Sidewinder 150-175;      Star Teebird 165-175; Star Valkyrie 150, 165-175.  Disc Choice______________.  Preferred Weight______________

Pre-registering by 10-1 ensures that you’ll get the shirt size you want. Registering earlier helps you get the disc you want.

   Entry Fee:                          $35.00
   Optional Ace Pool: $3.00      $______
   Optional Extra Prize Pool  $15.00   $______
      Entry Total:          $______

Checks payable to  Disc Golf World, 509 E 18th St, Kansas City, MO 64108. You can also register in person or you may call 816.471.3472 or 1.888.237.6884 with questions or to pay with a credit card or PayPal. No fees will be levied for use of bankcards or PayPal.

The grand opening of this short and fun nine-hole track, designed by Jack Lowe, will be Saturday, April 28 at 11 am. There will be hot dogs and some giveaways. The City is planning an additional nine holes down the road.

Found and Lost / Bag Tag Found at Rosedale
« on: January 28, 2012, 07:20:55 pm »
Double digit bag tag found during today's Ice Bowl.

Tournaments / Kansas City Ice Bowl 2012- 25th Annual
« on: December 14, 2011, 04:17:09 pm »
Registration for Kansas City's 25th Annual Ice Bowl is now open at Disc Golf World. You can download an entry form and a pledge sheet here: Pre-registering is always a good thing and most appreciated.

The Pledge Sheet is something new for this year. Hopefully, many Ice Bowl participants will ask their friends and family to help out by pledging money for each hole they play at Ice Bowl. In addition to supporting our long-time charity, Bishop Sullivan Center, we are also raising funds for Harvesters—the Community Food Network. Our goal for 2012 is $4000, which is about $1000 more from 2011.

As always, Ice Bowl is more about fun and charity than competition. However, the overall winner gets to keep the Ice Bowl traveling trophy for one year. Our current Ice Bowl champ is Leo DaPrato. Also for those who play the final nine, the winner of each card with the best 27-hole score will win a DX disc.

Similar to the way it was run last year, we'll have two shotgun starts on Saturday, January 28—at 10 am and 1:30 pm on the top course. We'll run a maximum of 108 (18 groups of 6) each round. We'll strive to accommodate all "I-want-to-play-with-someone-specific" requests. This year you can purchase and use mulligans on Saturday as well as Sunday. If there are fewer than 108 players for the afternoon round, people who played in the morning may play a second round for a $5 donation and use the better score for final-nine placement.

Sunday, January 29 will be the traditional Ice Bowl Celebration featuring pick-your-time-with-your-own-group rounds on either course teeing off from 8-10. The closest-to-the-hole contest will conclude around 2 pm. Lunch, which is provided by players bringing chili for the Chili Contest and other munchables to share begins at noon. The final nine hole round tees off around 2:30. To play the final round for a prize, you must have played one round on Saturday or Sunday morning.

We're looking for a person or a team of people who will work with me but will take responsibility for the lunch and the chili contest. This includes finding a generator or generators to power 30-40 crocks of chili, securing bowls and utensils, securing soft drinks, and suggesting or securing a cool prize for the Chili Contest winner. The KCFDC is producing this event and will pay for the what needs to be paid for.

Please consider donating a prize for the Closest-To-The-Pin Contest. This might be a gift certificate from your favorite restaurant or watering hole or some other business; disc golf goodies; movie or sporting event tickets; etc. It's a great place to re-gift those less-than-satisfying Christmas gifts!

If you want to help staff the event on either or both days, donate a prize, bring some chili or other food, please give me a call at 816.471.3472 or 816.914.0094 or shoot an email to Look for updates out here.

One more thing: here is link to a full-color KC Ice Bowl flier: Please post this wherever disc golfers or potential disc golfers gather.

Found and Lost / Found: CWB Pro Katana
« on: October 24, 2011, 01:21:42 pm »
The contact number was no longer valid for a found Pro Katana with CWB and a swoosh prominently dyed on it. Any clues as to its owner?

Tournaments / 2011 Ozark Mountain Fall Harvest - Oct 22-23
« on: October 13, 2011, 08:54:07 pm »
I've never played this event but have heard that the courses are tough and the camping is fun.

October 22nd & 23rd IN VICHY, MISSOURI
All players will receive a custom stamped disc, shirt, mini and sticker
On 2 of the most challenging and scenic disc golf courses in the world Ozark Mountain par 72 Akitas run par 54
COST 1st RD SAT. 2nd RD SUN. 3rd rd Tee off
Open Men = $50 OZARK 12:00
OZARK 9:00 Akitas Run 2:00
Pro Masters = $40 OZARK 12:00
OZARK 9:00 Akitas Run 2:00
Adv Men = $40 OZARK 12:00 OZARK 9:00 Akitas Run 2:00
Adv Women = $20 OZARK 12:00 OZARK 9:00 Akitas Run 2:00
Adv Master = $30 OZARK 12:00 OZARK 9:00 Akitas Run 2:00
Rec/INT/Jrs = $30 OZARK 12:00 OZARK 9:00 Akitas Run 2:00

PLEASE CALL (314)-487-5204 OR (314)-303-1488 OR
CAMPING is HIGHLY Recommended
This is private property and a private course, if you plan on playing the 2 courses any other time besides and event,, please call first 314 487 5204.

General Banter / What I Was Thinking 17 Years Ago
« on: September 30, 2011, 01:10:20 pm »
I wrote this article for Disc Golf World News #32. Please note that when it was written in December of 1994, the masters age was still 35, there no such thing as ratings existed, and Ken Climo was establishing his rep as the best disc golfer ever with his sixth straight world championship title. I believe it's relevant to some of the discussions we have has had out here this year concerning leagues (pro, pro 2, masters) and rewards at the KCWO, but its intent was to make top-level tournaments more marketable. Love to hear what people think. Warning, it's Loomis-like long!

Looking at Pro Golf—Risk, Rewards, Divisions
by Rick Rothstein

   Most competitive players look at disc golf tournaments as a place to meet and compete, ideally in a division where the competition is fair; where there is a chance for reward.  A sports-minded onlooker, or fan, views a disc golf competition differently; to find out “who’s the best player out there that weekend.”  This relates to the most primal reason that people started to gather for tournaments in the first place: to discover “who’s the best man?” or “who’s the best woman?” I think that the proliferation of playing divisions and how we reward these various divisional winners have diluted our competition.
   Some tournaments these days offer so many divisions they should call it a birthday tournament. “We’ll form a division for the people who were born on the date of your birth.” Seriously, we have been adding divisions so quickly, with little or no foresight, that sometimes there might be four men shooting the same score for four rounds who never played each other because one was open, one was master pro, one was advanced, and one was am master. This isn’t right. Players of the same skill level should be playing in the same division.
   Relatedly, how the entry money is distributed is often not correct. I think that the best player should get the biggest reward and then the divisional runners-up should get correspondingly lesser rewards. It’s not unusual these days to see an advanced player, who might have made $80 as an open player, walk away with 30 discs with a street value (and discs are easily sold) of over $200. Similarly, a master might win his division with a score that would have netted him $100 in the open, but instead takes home two or three times that amount. I don’t think this is right either.
   My reference here is to our most competitive tournaments; the ones we would like to showcase to the public, and to sell to sponsors. It’s at these events where most of the players are in the pro divisions, but also to be found is a sizable core group of amateurs who are playing with a pro-like goal: to win as many prizes as possible. For pure amateur golf, I think it’s healthy and desirable to offer lots of divisions in order to provide positive reinforcement to as many players as possible. For example, it would be great to see junior divisions for 8- and 9-year olds, 10- and 11-year olds, 12-13, etc. Or for adult amateurs, playing primarily for the experience, there could be age divisions at five year increments such as 20-24, 25-29, etc.
   Most people would agree that creating divisions by gender is legitimate. So, for the rest of the time here, I will be focusing on men’s golf.
   I think there’s general agreement that it’s proper to create divisions in professional disc golf based solely on age, but there is disagreement about what age is correct. Should a “senior” division be created at 35? I think not.
   Before giving the reasons why I think that 35 is too young, I want to examine what players make up the masters division. I see four distinct groupings. There are the long-time players who came up before there were amateur divisions, who proudly, if not too successfully, toiled for years in the open as pros. With anxious anticipation, they look forward to joining what they perceive as the less-competitive masters division. In fact, some of these players view gaining entrance into the masters as a well-earned “right”. Once there, some often do experience some success for a year or two. That is until the players who were keeping them out of the money as pros, turn 35, and start playing masters. The second group consists of somewhat newer players to the game, who matriculated as amateurs. They often have experienced some success as ams, but because they never tested themselves in the strongest field, they don’t know how they stack up. Most of these players are similar in ability to the first group and will experience some initial successes. The third distinct group are the players who were having, and in some cases, are still having, very successful careers as open players. These players will play open one week and play masters the next, and as often as not, will cash every time out. The fourth group are the guys who seldom had any luck as either ams or as open pros, and things haven’t changed that much as masters. They tend to view disc golf more in recreational terms. They don’t mind “donating” their money for the fun of the event, and prefer the camaraderie that exists on the fifth or sixth card of the masters more than competing in the advanced or amateur divisions, where they may, in fact, be more competitive. Thus, as most of the players in the masters division consist of secondary pros or advanced players, it is in fact, a secondary pro division.
   Now, I personally believe that disc golfers do not suddenly become less-skilled when they turn 35. If you were average at 34, you’ll still be average at 35. If you were a world class player at 34, you’ll still be great at 35. I’ll concede that distance off the tee may start to diminish slightly around this age, although advances in plastic technology have tended to counteract this to some extent. I also concede that it’s a known fact that an aging body takes longer to heal when injured. But a true professional competitor who takes pride in what he does, will take care of his body, and if that means working harder to stay competitive, he will do it. What an older player might be losing in distance and vulnerability to nagging injuries is compensated by the experience of many years of playing. It’s only with experience that a player learns to deal with adversity, course management, strategy, mind games, etc. I’d say the age of 45 would be closer to the age when a player‘s sharpness begins to decline more rapidly, largely due to age. Golf’s seniors division begins at 50. Runners are “old” at 40. Tennis does have a 35-year old division, but it’s not featured with the best players.
   My argument here is based on the assumption that we want to develop pro disc golf as a marketable commodity; one with the potential for drawing people out to watch, and to be entertaining enough for television. To provide this product, I think it’s necessary for our most competitive players to be in the same division, and the rewards should be commensurate with their performances.
   So here’s a somewhat radical, but simple proposal, that by allowing players, to a certain degree, to choose what they want to play for, should result in larger, fairer, and more competitive fields. The basic tenet of the proposal is that the top rewards should go to those who risk the most, with the assumption that the best players want to prove they are tops. “A” players pay the highest entry fees, expecting at least 100% back. “B” players pay lesser entry fees, with about 80-85% of the fee back to the purse. “C” players, playing for prizes, expect 100% retail value for trophies and merchandise received, regardless of the cost to the tournament. There would also be emphasis on trophies and rewarding a larger percentage of “C” players.
The “A” players compete in the pro division, the “B” players in the semi-pro division (pro 2?), and the “C” players in the advanced division. Let’s say it’s a big pro tournament with entry fees of $60 for pros, $35 for semi-pros, and $20 for amateurs. Pay about 33% of the pros and 45% of the semi-pros with a flatter scale than the open. Added money would go only to the pro division. Then, add 15% of the semi-pros entries to the pros. There would also be a seniors division and, at 45, would become increasingly interesting as more of the legends of the sport became eligible. Its entry fees would be somewhere between pro and semi-pro, with 100% paybacks.
   If the PDGA were to endorse this idea, then all players would be PDGA members, paying the same dues, and would be considered professionals, in the sense that they are knowledgeable about the rules and show respect for the game and other players. Rules to control divisional switching by cash-winning pros and semi-pros would be necessary. It could be something like this: If a pro or semi-pro wins cash once, he would have to be out of the money for his next three tournaments before exercising his option to return to a lower division. Cash again and add another three weeks. However, a player who cashes consistently probably wouldn’t want to move back anyway, because he would generally be winning more where he was, but we would have this safeguard anyway.
   There it is. While this scheme, by itself, would not erase “sandbagging”, it would make it less lucrative. With the advanced division emphasis on trophies and rewarding many of its competitors, the top prizes would not be that great. Players who play to win as much as they can would have to risk more to win more. Except for the cash-winners, there would be total choice. Feeling strong or lucky? Then play pro. Feeling hung-over? Play semi-pro. Low on cash that weekend? Play advanced.
   Probably half of what we now call advanced, and some am masters, would gravitate to semi-pro. I know that lots of these guys, who are new to the sport, would like to play for money, but really don’t feel ready for the top division. Also, some players, both current pros and ams, who just don’t have the time to practice to feel competitive at the top, would go semi-pro. Some long-suffering pro players and half of the current masters or more would play semi-pro. The masters who are motivated by the larger risk for the greater reward would play pro.
   Semi-pro competition would help develop players faster. Up-and-coming players would be playing with some experienced master-aged players. These younger or newer players could learn valuable lessons from many of the experienced pros (whose games may have reached a plateau because of lack of time to play) about course management, trouble shots, strategy, and more. Also, it would be hoped that some of the more easy-going atmosphere of the masters division would permeate this new division. Our current system generally denies newer players a nurturing process where they can learn from more experienced players within their range of skill.
   The most obvious problem with this scheme is how does a TD know who has cashed at the previous tournaments. While tournament reporting has improved in recent years, it’s naive to expect that we could get TDs to fax or download the results to PDGA headquarters within 48 hours, although it is possible. Initially, we would have to depend on the honesty of our players. If a player did lie about some recent winnings to play in a lower division, as the results from his previous tournaments became known, his lie would be exposed. Also, other players would exercise some control in keeping each other honest.
   And then, there is the Climo factor—that’s when players claim that they are staying am or going masters because they can’t beat Ken Climo. This is definitely not an age thing, because, players of all ages have been trailing Climo. Well, if there are not enough players out there who don’t have the burning desire to “bring down” the man who has been awesomely dominating the sport, then I’d have to say we are pretty much doomed in any attempt to sell professional disc golf. A skilled player who takes this defeatist attitude should be playing semi-pro, where the risk and rewards are not as great.
   One other thing to remember is that sponsorship money remains the key to get more good players playing on a more regular basis. Assuming for a second that even a small amount, say $1,000 to $2,000 could be added for the best events, they would begin to fill with “A” players and seniors. At that point, the semi-pro division would be held on a space-available basis.
   As the semi-pro and pro divisions begin to swell to capacity at many of the other tournaments, am-only tournaments would become the norm. A similar payout scheme (but with less difference between the divisional entry fees) could be devised for the two divisions of amateurs. An entry level amateur division with even lower entry fees could be devised.
   What about women’s golf? The numbers of women players at most tournaments is usually so small that this plan may not work. Also, there seems to be a greater diversity in skill levels amongst women golfers. However it can only be beneficial to devise a system in which at least the women’s pros and the more advanced amateurs would be competing. Using only two divisions might be the answer. And of course, if it should come to pass that 40 or 50 women begin to show up for tournaments, then women-only events would begin. (Or maybe if someone ran a women-only event, 40 or 50 women would show up.)
   And there you have it. It’s really quite simple: you risk more by paying a higher entry fee and you have the chance to win more. If you lack the confidence or skill for the big risk, then you would lower it and with it, your potential rewards. Most importantly we will have returned to that primal urge for competition: to find out who’s the best man. Not the best 35-year-old man; not the best advanced man; but simply, the best man.

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