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Blue Valley / Re: Be a part of history-Saturday come help!
« on: Today at 04:26:51 pm »
Boy this is an old post. Well this event is happening again. This year will mark the 25th annual Blue River cleanup. This workday will be on March 28th from 8-11. When I see the pictures from what the park looked like in 2011, I am blown away. The progress that has been made at this park is nothing short of remarkable. Please make some time to help clean up our park. #eastsidepride

I didn't realize it was an old post, I was like, coool!  Then I saw I posted it.  I will look to plan on being out there!  Thanks Doug!

Water Works / Re: KC Star Article
« on: Today at 02:25:11 pm »
If hole 7 is removed will a replacement be planned? This is the course closest to me and my buddies play over lunch quite often so quite interested in how this goes. Great to see improvement just wondering how much the course will be affected. Will the trail run behind the teepad on 3?

no not on #3, there will be a replacement on the lost hole, and it may be down the road, as the initial trail and shelter is the biggest issue.  The Volley Ball Courts and playground will be more to the NE of the current playground, as the current playground will be where the shelter is going to be moving to.  Which may result in a renumbering.

I have an idea of a hole already to replace the #7 loss, but want to look at the scenario with one of the original designers before I propose it to the P&R and make sure it aligns well.  I believe it will, but want his input for certain.

Basically the trail that initially was going to bisect 5/4/3 I was able to get them to create an alternate plan that does intersect some with #4, but since that will be easily identified with individuals walking should enable a good multi-use environment.

There are several disc golf courses with trails in them.  I don't anticipate this being as busy as a SMP trail, but ultimately we may be forced to wait a few seconds on pedestrians as they go through.

It beats the alternative of a complete revamp on the course for certain, and now we should also be able to plant new trees along this that will beautify the course as well for all to enjoy.

Water Works / Re: KC Star Article
« on: Today at 01:48:05 pm »
This has been in play since 2004.  I was on the initial Parks board for the change and have been in contact with them throughout the entire process.

Essentially what will happen is that we will have a trail that will go along many of the "walls", and then we will probably lose the following:
Hole #7-altogether, there will be a vista point by the circle drive, it will make no sense to have that hole there with the construction of the wall and the needed components.
Hole #8-Losing the LONG placement, may have to find an alternative.
Hole #!2 long right-there will be a trail that goes along there, and then to the very end of the land that will be to the right of the pad on #13, it will connect with the wall/trail on #17, go up and around Di-sect 15/16, and go down the road to cross the street on the west of #16 pad, travel down by long #8 towards #5, with a trail on the north end of #5 (being protected by Terrapin station) then reverting back to the southern part on #4, and up to #2 pad with it going back up the hill to the road way, behind long #1, and to the north of #2 pad.

It will create new "OB" rules, sure, it will also make it easier in many aspects to get things for events around the park, which is good. 
There will be a new Shelter installed by the playground area, there will be a new playground area, the practice basket over there will remain.
We may lose part of the "fairway practice" on #12, but there will still be some areas to throw and loosen up.

Bottom line is this.  they wanted a trail system to go through the middle of the course all over the course.  This park is becoming a multi-use park as has been planned for over a decade.  P&R has worked well at listening to all parties (they wanted volley ball courts in  "the old parking lot" bottom #13) and that would have created many issues.

Is it ideal, no, but it is a good thing as we will be getting upgrades in the park for certain.

These effects will not start on the disc golf area until after the MAC as well, so it will minimize impact to most events, the only one it may impact is the Mighty Mo, and Scott and I have been working on alternate plans in the event we can't hold it there.

So please understand that the only certainty in almost all of our disc golf courses is that we are on public land, as such it may from time to time alter, but ultimately I am hopeful that one of the initial designers of the course (Kreeger) will work to have a solution that enables us to continue to have a great place to play, and now will have more beneficial work being done (like replacing many of the trees that are at a mature declination point).

There will be essentially a trail that goes

I have heard of two other young Divas possibly playing.  There is a 16 and under division.  The ladies have done a great job selecting what divisions to offer.

Thanks all, I will see if I can get the marley-nator out there for this.  Appreciate it.

Is anyone having their daughters play in this event?

This can be one of the best things to happen to KC disc golf since World's if done right.

Let's all join in and show how much we can truly help engage the women in our sport.

Spotters, sponsors, helpers, the women have always been hard to help at all the other events, let's be sure all of us "dudes" step up and make this event an awesome "can't miss" for the ladies this year to start us on to a path for years to come.

It started this year!

I doubt I go up on Thur, but come to think of it, since I work remotely on Friday's. ......I probably will.

Let's grab Tasty Tacos and play the pre-round then.

Leagues / Re: PDGA League-Cash for stats
« on: Today at 09:11:29 am »
looking for more insight into this folks.....if there isn't interest then I'll not worry about it.

Right now the daily payout seems to be the leading piece.

Leagues / Re: 2015 Summer Leagues
« on: March 03, 2015, 04:19:22 pm »
I might be doing some league at Raymore on Friday nights.  But first I have to get our course finished first.  Half done...  YESSSS!!!  Actually more than half done.  I hope to have a ribbon cutting ceremony this spring.  I have a Facebook group started, if you want to be added let me know.


Leagues / Re: 2015 Summer Leagues
« on: March 03, 2015, 03:46:57 pm »
I am easy to find if you ever wanna hit it up, let me know.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: March 03, 2015, 03:28:22 pm »
Can we "have a valid KCFDC course" list?  I just wonder as we have some courses that are in process, so which courses would be approved?  It is a tricky question but I feel we can help out our cause by choosing a course that benefits the East Side on these days.

Leagues / Re: 2015 Summer Leagues
« on: March 03, 2015, 03:21:06 pm »
Thursday night at waterworks is probably the best, if not one of the best attended Lee in the city. There is a new players league that will be on Wednesdays (Thursday's) at the disc golf course in Pleasant Hill. As far as how competitive the leaves are, they are all generally competitive but that does not mean that you cannot come and play for fear of being made fun of. There are plenty of women who attend leaves that are mostly male dominated and do not get the scores. The winning men do.

Leagues / Re: 2015 Summer Leagues
« on: March 03, 2015, 03:20:14 pm »
Sorry for breaking up this argument ....


Pretty much, but there are all divisions at WW, it is one of the better ran and attended leagues, and honestly the reason it stands alone is due to the high traffic, which raises the "payout" which raises the "ace fund" which raises the attendance.

That is sort of the issue at hand, is diluting other days makes it hard to have that desired effect.

But to answer your question, WW is probably the best league in terms of building great relationships as well locally because it is heavily attended by members that you will get to love engage and enjoy. 

I have no animosity to almost anyone, even Rob.  Rob has done a lot of good things and changed some of my own ideas, and I appreciate it.  I have a funny way of showing it.  Though our philosophies I feel are vastly different, I know that Rob wants to see disc golf grow as I do, we just see it from varying lights.

Truly WW league is a great place that many like minded folks will come welcome you and help you understand more about the KCFDC scene and beyond!

Welcome!  If you see events at Cliff remember it isn't too far from Gladstone as well.

Leagues / Re: 2015 Summer Leagues
« on: March 03, 2015, 02:52:06 pm »
......... I don't feel like the board has done anything wrong and am not calling into question anyone's motives or the process. As I said before, if Monday is the night that Rob can do it, that's as good of a reason as I need. Eric K, you are a great club president and I appreciate the way you govern but also how you communicate with authenticity and honesty. I know the people on the board are serving out of the goodness of their heart and I don't want to add any stress to their lives. thanks to you all for serving. Thanks to everyone who runs leagues and volunteers. I wish you all many aces in the near future. Let's all just try to acknowledge that we see things differently and that doesn't mean one person is right or wrong. Communication is vital but it needs to be done with grace and poise, not finger pointing and name calling. We are blessed. Let's try to remember that more often.


Leagues / Re: 2015 Summer Leagues
« on: March 03, 2015, 01:21:59 pm »
....... If the membership doesn't want it. Let it be known. So far, I see only a couple of detractors and I think it is mostly personal and, frankly, it just pisses me off.

Obviously, this has become a mountain out of a mole hill and now I suppose we will need a formalized process of setting up the league schedule. OH JOY! I think this kind of behavior is what pushes people away from the club.

If I read this thread as a non-member, I likely would not join. Just saying.

So do we need a process beginning in February to determine the schedule? Will that make everyone happy? I think not. The sense I get is that the "almighty Board of Directors" has made some arbitrary decisions. Well being the head of the board, that has not been the case, I have simply communicated what I know.  Funny me.

I have tried to give members the opportunity to communicate and engage in planning. It's working. I guess.

I can't wait to play golf tonight.

I guess I was always of the mindset that there is a formalized process of creating leagues.  That was typically done in January meeting.  So to say that isn't the case is news to me.  Though I haven't been on the board since 2010, the notion that there wasn't a plan in place of some type to this guy makes little sense.  It is the #1 revenue generating component of the club.  It should have the highest priority I would think.  This is why the notion of $5 vs. $7 caused a stir.  When leagues moved days causes a stir, it has been that way for years, maybe I am the only one to worry about it, and I am ok with that notion that I am.

If that is the case, then fine, acknowledge that Jack shut up, it's this way, and I am ok with that as well.  I have already made a decision this year about myself.  It doesn't mean that the club can't find someone else to run the league at Cliff/BV.  I would welcome that.  Ultimately to me though, as I appreciate your desire to give those that want to do the power to do, there needs to be a balance between what makes sense and what doesn't.  Because someone can do it, doesn't mean it makes sense at the greater of the community, and hence it impacts many decisions.

That is the crux of my own problem with this, why saturate an already covered night with another venue?  Options, sure they are nice, but respect for the people willing to donate time on all accounts should be made.  You have essentially 4 people already working to increase attendance with the leagues on Monday's.  All of us working hard to do what we can to help, and also encourage.  Now you add a 5th person on a single night to do this, why?

If it is simply because they volunteered to do it, and that is their only night, that's fine, but I for one don't think it looks at the entire scene of the league community.  This is where the argument comes in my mind, not really an "I don't like Rob aspect", but rather why add to the busiest options of leagues already.  If Rob isn't using the KCFDC courses then why approve it, and if it isn't a KCFDC league then why are we talking about it?

Yes we all give in order to help others have fun, but in this case, the crusty old Jack as some of you want to view me as, (which I am fine with) has some major issues and concerns with.  I love the options KC has to offer, I just again can't for the life of me truly understand why the BoD decided to allow essentially a 5th league on one night.  I understand why Rob did it, he has only this night, and he wants to do it regardless of the impact.  I wanted to run NE League to continue to showcase how great the course is, and entice people with a PDGA League as has been done the past 2 years.  So to me is this just simply the case of let see what we can do, and how to get there?  More leagues is better as long as we have someone to run them?  Which is fine, but it's not something I want to donate my time over the course of the summer to when it's fighting for the same player to play in events.  We struggle with attendance at the league already in my mind, but I was ok with that because I liked giving the option for the players to enjoy it, and I was willing to sacrifice time to make it happen for the betterment of the course, community, and club.  Putting this additional burden in front of me makes me (and possibly others running league on Monday's(that's for them to decide))  think, well, they (BoD) don't appreciate this time I give as such why should I give it?  It impacts the NE League more because we have been a PDGA league.  Why I removed myself from the equation.

I will go back and repost that league isn't cancelled, but needs to find someone to run it.

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