I'm with you on this one Guinness. I can throw my whole bag on that hole(like a couple of others there as well). The hard one for me is #12 can't get up that hill with any good distance.blue valley 13, yup you know you can't think of it right off the bat, it's boring and a lot of plastic is lost for nada, oh yeah and the soon to be old hole 4 at woodhengeAre you kidding? I love this hole. I enjoy throwing as many drivers as I can from this tee pad. Great view down the hill, nice moguls at the end... I think it is a fantastic hole.