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Lakeside Hills / Re: Pads
« on: June 27, 2013, 10:03:02 AM »
You guys realize this course was installed in Feb, right?

What a bunch of spoiled brats......

General Banter / Re: I need a hand...
« on: June 27, 2013, 09:49:02 AM »
Where are you playing?

« on: June 07, 2013, 12:07:27 PM »
Speaking of shaggy courses....look no further than Lakeside Hills.  Shaggy, swampy, tick infested......

Only if you don't play the fairways!!   ;D

I'm working on getting the DR out there for holes 10 & 11.  Other than those, holes 3,4 & 16 are bad if you miss the 70' wide fairways...

Lakeside Hills / Re: 6/3 League
« on: June 06, 2013, 11:33:40 AM »
The grass cutting needs of the city got in the way of soon as their workload slows I'm sure we will see more work happen out with wet conditions it is very hard to get concrete to all pads without damage to course and equipment.

Tournaments / Re: 2013 Midwest Amateur Championships
« on: June 06, 2013, 07:17:16 AM »
Thanks for keeping me in check Al Borland!   ::)

Prairie Center / Re: Found Mini at PC "BMH"
« on: May 15, 2013, 05:06:10 PM »
Ya...sounds like Brians...He works with Tom and I, so just bring it to league next week.

General Banter / Re: stolen basket
« on: April 30, 2013, 02:28:01 PM »
I have been watching craigslist also.

Hopefully the police will notify the scrap yards....but like Jack said....that is a bunch of work and risk for $15.

General Banter / Re: stolen basket
« on: April 30, 2013, 12:21:06 PM »

Lakeside Hills / Re: Practice Basket Stolen
« on: April 29, 2013, 08:13:41 PM »
City supplied master key lock...still in place and locked. No metal shavings or damage to the pin..very odd, almost like the lock was picked then replaced.  They got the entire basket with lock collar and all.  We noticed yesterday but waited so Tom could ask the city if they had it, city checked it out and a filed report with police.

Lakeside Hills / Re: Practice Basket Stolen
« on: April 29, 2013, 03:55:56 PM »
Tom believes it was in place Sat morning, and I noticed it gone at 11:30 we have the time frame window....too bad the city doesn't have cameras at park entrances.

Lakeside Hills / Practice Basket Stolen
« on: April 29, 2013, 03:51:28 PM »
Had to be sometime this weekend.

These baskets are easy to spot....and they are the new style with 4 extra chain please keep your eyes open!!

Thieves SUCK!

Cliff Drive / Re: Shame-so many should feel it....
« on: April 23, 2013, 09:22:07 AM »
Can you imagine if all the effort on this forum to make people "feel better" about not making work days was actually put into.....wait for it......WORK DAYS.
3. I may be missing it but I'm not seeing anything that is trying to make people "feel better" about not showing up for work days. I think that characterizing this discussion that way is making a straw man of my arguments.

Looks like you got a busy day ahead of you then....   ;D

Cliff Drive / Re: Shame-so many should feel it....
« on: April 23, 2013, 08:59:03 AM »
Can you imagine if all the effort on this forum to make people "feel better" about not making work days was actually put into.....wait for it......WORK DAYS.

Cliff Drive / Re: Shame-so many should feel it....
« on: April 23, 2013, 08:46:28 AM »
Tom: It wasn't the point of my post to elicit an apology or even to blame you for anything. I was just using things from my personal experience that I thought proved the points I was trying to make. Also, Andy is the one who broke the news on Facebook.

Andy: I'm not saying the lack of tools is the ONLY reason for not showing up to a work day, I'm saying it is a contributing factor. There isn't one simple reason people choose not to show up, often it is a plethora of many small reasons, among which is being forced to stand there and say "what if" because you don't have any tools to actually help contribute.

And let me take a minute to address this "what if" and "why not this" situation. If a work day, when things are actually getting changed and decisions have to be made, isn't the time to do it then when is? I have and will continue to be a supporter of some crowd-sourcing designs. I think, obviously, that one or two people have to be the main decision makers but we have enough talented players in this city who have played enough courses that they should be asked what they think about changes or new holes. We are trying to create/provide the highest quality golf possible and while it is entirely possible one designer could get there on his/her own it is more likely that a group of people, offering different solutions among which the best are chosen, will actually get there. The GET TO WORK mindset can cause just as many problems as it solves. Think about those intrepid souls that decided to get to work on new hole 13 at PC and took down those little fledgling pines in the fairway. I'm sure many of wish they had thought about what they were about to do and hadn't just gotten to work first.

Also, admitting that people aren't brought into work days or invited for specific reasons (like the one in the previous paragraph) is the exact sort of elitism I was critiquing in my original post. If we want people to show up and help out people need to be welcome. We can't be, nor should we be, selective about who gets invited. I understand what Tom's original goal was though I'm not sure it was the best way to go about it. But that isn't the point of any of this. Like in golf that shot is gone by. the only thing we can do is worry about the next one we have to make, and that seems to be attendance at course-improving events.

Not trying to argue....just "speaking the truth".  And as far as "Getting to work" can't roll vandals and workers up in one ball and call it a just doesn't make sense....or cents...haha

...perspective is a very hard topic to put into to written words.

Another "hard truth" 70% of the people you see getting dirty on the course, actually working, do not read/care about this forum.

Notice: None of the above statements are personal attacks, just opinions of a "worker".

Cliff Drive / Re: Shame-so many should feel it....
« on: April 23, 2013, 08:15:03 AM »
Coop, (and anyone else that I didn't notify):
Sorry you didn't get invited to one of our workdays. As the sole designer and instigator of Lakeside Hills, my plan was to keep the course a secret until the day of the Ram N Salmon, and then Andy was going to spring it to the players at the morning players meeting that the second round would be at the Lake. That didn't happen of course, but that was the main reason for the secrecy. Addiitionally, as always, we had plenty of hands and crew to get done what we needed to. As you know, we never have a shortage of volunteers for workdays in Olathe. I also felt a little left out at recent workdays, as my chainsaw was broke down from the last workday at PC, but anybody can go to home depot and buy a machete for under $20. Machetes and axes are awesome tools whose use builds character. (ie, just look at what a character Danger is)

We will be setting in some alterrnate sleeves, modifying some tee locations, and doing a little bit of clearing on an upcoming weekend when the ground drys and the temps increase. Watch this forum for the announced date. I typically make it tentative until a day or two before, because in an outdoor working enviroment we are always at the mercy of Mother Nature. In the mean time, Cliff has an upcoming workday I beleive, and PC will be needing a mow on the pond bank before long. Brian Taylor, Mark Albers, Brian Corneilius, and Leevarn Sarvis put a mow on it last year all on their own, without an "official workday" being announced. To finish this post I would go on to say that all of us can perform one of the best pieces of work everytime we play ANY course, simply by picking up any trash we see laying around in the parks.  :)

Blaming the Ram'N'Salmon for keeping Lakeside a secret is TOTAL BS.....we joked about this at time to time but it was never a truly viable option.  Don't drag my tourney into this!

Tom did all the up-front work with the city and there are more reasons he can elaborate on, so please solely focus your comments towards him since I had "nothing" to do with it.  I just added man power to the efforts...and Brody (4 yrs old) power..that is what I'm proud of.

I know sometimes people are not brought into work days because all the want to do is stand around and say "What if", or "Why not this" all day and never GET TO WORK!

As far as the lack of power tools....I suggest pick up trash...clear debris from fairways, line paths with me...power tools do not make it more fun.

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