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General Banter / Re: William Jewell Course
« on: July 08, 2013, 08:42:24 am »
I finally had the chance to play this 9 hole course yesterday and was surprisingly impressed.  It's not often that 9 hole courses impress me, but this one did.  I believe there was only one hole that required a full distance driver, but also only one hole that I threw putter off the tee.  These guys did a great job of using elevation and the obstacles that they had to work with.  Pin placements were great, although I'd like to see the "red" layout as I believe it was set in the "gold" layout when my brother and I played it.

Hole 1 - I believe the distance was only 270 feet, but required a full teebird to reach the pin.  This is an uphill shot that is for the most part blind.  It's a RHBH hyzer route where you almost have to throw some sort of hyzer flip shot to have a look at deuce.

Hole 2 - Longest hole on the course.  This is straight downhill, but you have to hit a 150 ft. tunnel shot before you hit the clearing towards the basket OR throw a massive anhyzer over the soccer field.  The wind didn't allow for the anny yesterday, so this hole wasn't a gimme three.

Hole 3 - Slight RHBH turnover shot that plays downhill as well.  There's a creekbed that has massive trees between you and the basket with only about a 15 foot clearing.  This required a full teebird turnover to have a look at deuce.  You could potentially throw a spike hyzer over the trees (of course I tried this route first), but the wind out of the south didn't allow it.

Hole 4 - Straight uphill and you have some trees roughly 25 feet in front of the teepad to throw around.  The trees remove the hyzer route, so you have to throw a flex shot up the hill or try and get a driver to keep turning all the way up the hill.  I was able to get a teebird and a Leo within about 20, so when I play this course again I'll probably resort to a distance driver at about 75%.  There's a street behind the basket, so don't blow by on your upshot if the basket isn't reachable.

Hole 5 - Straight downhill with the pin tucked down and to the right.  There's a large area of trees and brush hiding the pin so this is a blind shot.  You don't want to cut into the trees early either because it is thick.  You also don't want to go long and straight because you'll be sitting in a creekbed that is also thick.  I threw a forehand firebird and left myself a putt within the circle, but it was a tough little shot with a 15 mph tail.

Hole 6 - I'd say this is the shortest hole on the course.  You can't see the bucket from the tee because there's a 20'x20' bunch of trees in front of it.  You can throw a straight putter shot and have an uphill look at the basket, or you can throw a forehand around the trees to have a downhill look.  The forehand is dangerous because you have a street running through there as well if you don't get the flick to hyzer out.  Also, since it is slightly uphill, the anhyzer route is much more difficult that just throwing a forehand.

Hole 7 - Most straightforward hole on the course.  This basket is roughly 325-350 feet so throw a somewhat stable mid or fairway and you're there.  You either want to be short or long though because there is a creekbed right in front of the basket with some tallgrass that will make your disc disappear.  To the left of the basket is another 20'x20' bunch of trees that would make a putt inside the circle still pretty difficult.

Hole 8 - Another downhill shot that's pretty straightforward.  However, it almost forces you to throw a flex shot if you're a righty because there is a tree 40' in front of the teepad that blocks the hyzer route.  Once again, tall grass and creekbed in front of the basket so either clear it or lay up and take your three.  You don't want to hyzer out if you're going for the parkjob because there's a bunch of trees and brush about 20' to the left of the basket.  I'd say this is about the same distance as hole 7.

Hole 9 - You must take the trek all the way back up 8's fairway and past its teepad to reach 9's tee.  The flow here really confused me, but I guess they had decided they wanted hole 8 to be downhill instead of uphill.  Also, I'm sure they were concerned that the uphill shot might bring the baseball field into play?  Anyway, hole 9 is a slight uphill turnover that's only 250 or so feet.  There's brush and trees to the right, but nothing that can't be avoided with a semi-decent putter or mid drive. 

Overall I would say that I'm impressed with what they've done here.  Some holes could be improved, but they did a great job given the land they had to work with.  The trek between holes was a bit lengthy, but hey, it's good for the heart.  They've got the new Innova DISCatchers (I will say that they didn't spit any of my putts - but given the length of the course I didn't have anything outside of 10-15').  My brother and I played it twice; easily in under two hours.  Anybody going to WJ is lucky to have a solid course like this on their campus.  They are still gravel (kitty litter) tee pads, but only one of them was rough as far as footing was concerned.  All basket have flags as well.  I would say it is definitely worth the 40 minutes required for 9 holes if you're in the area.  Check it out!

General Banter / Re: What is your favorite basket?
« on: July 06, 2013, 10:23:45 pm »
Coop, I gotta tell ya that I had two perfectly good putts last night at Legacy that didn't stick. DISCatchers. Two of those putts where you look down to pick up your mini and when you look back up you think someone picked your disc out of the basket and put it on the ground. One was dead center and came straight back out, the other went clean through the middle. Yes, I have witnesses. Yes, I understand that all baskets spit every now and again. And EVERYone has different experiences on different baskets.

Anyway, moral of the story is...from this thread alone, anytime I miss a putt on a DISCatcher, I'm gonna think of you. Haha, in fact, without even thinking twice, the first thing out of my mouth last night on that first missed putt was, "Gosh, where's Cooper when you need him?"

Swope / Re: Merica "$&%* Yeah" Swope Superclass 7/4/13
« on: July 04, 2013, 04:36:00 pm »
AND he lost my mini. What a day for Jon. Three cheers.

General Banter / Re: What is your favorite basket?
« on: July 03, 2013, 11:37:09 am »
I also have a problem with the idea that it is up to the person putting in the course to choose what basket they want. Yes, if it is outside of a club or private land then sure, that makes sense. It doesn't here. If Jack is coordinating with the KCMO P&R to get new baskets at WW then it should be as a club representative, not as an individual. In that sense I would rather have someone who is an official within the club coordinating with them.

(Note: Before everyone jumps down my throat about that, it is an example. I don't know that that is what is happening here, but if it is it is problematic. Club courses should be cared for, maintained, and everything else with the club and the P&R.)

Person putting it in, club representative, whatever you want to call it.  I'm just referring to the individual(s) who are working with the P&R to install the course.  It's their call.  If you want it to be a "club" decision, then you need to put that petition in front of the board/club and get a motion passed that any new "club" courses be approved by the club as a whole with regards to basket selection.  As for me, I'm good with whatever basket is used.  So long as we have another course to choose from, I'm happy!  ;D

General Banter / Re: What is your favorite basket?
« on: July 03, 2013, 11:24:47 am »
I'm not really sure what the purpose of this thread is anymore.  I don't think there is one basket that is the "best."  We all have our own favorite basket.  It IS all a matter of opinion.  There are pros and cons to each and every basket.  Mach III's don't catch well (according to some), DISCatchers are eye sores (according to some), ya de ya de ya.  I don't think there are any courses in the metro that are "outdated" so I'm content.  Replacing an entire course worth of baskets is a waste of money.  There are a ton of other things we could be doing to our courses rather than replacing baskets just because.  If a basket gets hit by a tree and needs to be replaced, that's a different story.

With regards to new courses, the decision on baskets is up to the person putting the course in and parks and rec department; end of story there.  If you want a course with the new Innova baskets - find some acreage, get it approved, and put it in.  I just don't really understand the point of this argument here.  It's the song that never ends.  It's pointless to argue equipment because there will NEVER be a time when everyone agrees. 

General Banter / Re: What is your favorite basket?
« on: July 03, 2013, 08:44:12 am »

Are there any courses anywhere near with Titans? I'd like to give them a try if it is feasible.

I'm pretty sure the underground course in STL has them

Swope / Re: Swope League 2013
« on: July 03, 2013, 08:09:14 am »
Awesome league last night!  Perfect weather and a pretty solid turnout.  Congrats to Tank for the W.  Pins were set short with ace run opportunities.  It made for some low scores and good times.  I'm so glad to be back playing leagues again.  Don't break a leg folks, it's not fun - especially with great summer temps like we're experiencing now.  Ekolk has the scores, so I'll leave that to him.  Thanks for running league man!

Don't forget - Superclass round at Swope Thursday morning at 9:00!

Swope / Re: Swope League 2013
« on: July 02, 2013, 04:28:20 pm »
I'm there Eric!  First league in two months.  Woot woot

General Banter / Re: Quick Course to Play
« on: July 02, 2013, 03:18:50 pm »
Thank-you all so much for the great replies.  I am leaning toward Swope as my GPS has 470 as the quickest route.  Hope to see some of you if not there but in Emporia. 

PS Every disc in my bag is green so should make for an interesting round. :)

That won't be an issue at Swope. 

General Banter / Re: What is your favorite basket?
« on: July 02, 2013, 10:53:35 am »
I'm surprised that more people don't like the chainstars.  The width appears to be wider than most baskets to catch putts that are a little off center.  The top cage is friendly to discs.  You can get them in virtually any color.  The only issue I've had with them is kicking a few putts straight back out if I hit the center pole to hard.  I guess that's just the indian though and not the arrow.  It appears that I putt a little TOO hard at times.  8)

General Banter / Re: Quick Course to Play
« on: July 02, 2013, 09:24:56 am »
if you're on I-70, and want shade, Wilbur Young aka blue springs is 4 minutes south of the highway on Adams Dairy Road, and play is fast as there are some very short tee pads, the course is well marked, clean, and very fun to play in under 90 minutes. cheapest gas in kc and a myriad of food options available at the exit also.

Not to mention little elevation.  However, I wouldn't throw anything in the color green....

General Banter / Re: What is your favorite basket?
« on: July 02, 2013, 08:16:43 am »
What I don't understand is why Monkey Traps aren't in this discussion!?!?  8)

If you're reading this Russ, you know I love ya...but if you don't hit bottom right, your basket ain't catchin s%*&

Blue Valley / Re: Revenge?--Blue Valley tonight for league
« on: July 01, 2013, 03:27:15 pm »
Jack, is the course still set long?  Will you be playing the long pins?

Rosedale / Re: Down Under Single Disc 7/2 at 9:00 AM
« on: July 01, 2013, 11:14:51 am »

Anybody noticed how this cancellation was done by Milenorthkmco but the original posting was done by MileNorthKCMO.

What up?

I was in the shop this past weekend and the event is indeed cancelled.  I'm not sure why another user name was created, but the store owner did tell me the event was cancelled. 

The rest of the conversation left me with a sour taste; I probably won't be back...and I'm going to leave it at that.

Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: Just a thought...
« on: June 28, 2013, 12:54:16 pm »
Apologies, I must have overlooked the scores being posted.  I'm usually pretty up-to-date on the league postings and have been watching everything since I broke my leg to see who all has been playing and where.  I wasn't trying to "blast" anyone, nor am I trying to oust any league directors.  I'm just seeing what can be done to increase participation in these leagues.  What is it going to take to get our turnouts to match that of WW, PC, etc.  There are clearly leagues that kill it in terms of participation.  Some of that has to do with the course itself, but a lot of it has to do with other factors.  Legacy and Young are both a long haul from downtown, so I think that is the biggest issue here.

Anyway, I think that Legacy on Friday nights is a challenge for a lot of people.  It's just a tough sell as it is the beginning of the weekend.  Maybe the alternating league was a bad idea if turnouts are as good as deadhead84 claims they are.  My bad, just trying to spur some DISCussion.  I love playing Legacy (unlike most people), and wish we could make it a popular course in KC.  Sure, some holes are repetitive, but it's not a gimme course and for whatever reason that is engrained in everyone's mind far as I can tell.  For those who haven't taken a good look around out there, there is A LOT of good land (even a picturesque waterfall) and if we can get some people out to build this course's reputation, maybe more things will happen.  Eric is certainly getting the ball rolling with LSPR, I just want to keep it rolling and turn BOTH of these leagues into something big.

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