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This is how this event will be played.  When a team gets to Hole #10, they will decide who is driving from that pad and then there partner will throw the next shot.  No player will shoot 2x in a row.  The person who is driving is only decided on the 1st of hole of this format, after that, the players will alternate between players.

The pdga rules is how I've played alternate shot in the green country dubs twice in Tulsa. No player throws twice in a row. Jacks scenario that a team would intentionally miss a putt so the better driver could drive is a possibility, but the strokes would add up if they did it repeatedly. It is simpler to just play it as described...no player ever shots twice in a row.

Coolio thanks for the clarification, and Tom I am not saying that the person would miss a putt per se, but if you do have that long driver that can get it to the pin on each hole, they will be teeing on every hole.

Scott has clarified it.  Every other shot, I just wanted to make absolutely sure! 

Thanks so much for taking time to answer it here.

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http://www.pdga.com/rules/rules-for-doubles
......Alternate Shot is closer to a singles format, where one partner can't bail the other out. If you miss a short putt, chances are good that you'll be driving the next hole........


Which is EXACTLY what I am asking Scott about.  in this exact scenario if you have a clearly better driving partner it will beneficial in many instances to allow that person to drive the next hole over a 1 stroke component.

Hence (and again this is just the way I used to run it when I did 6-6-6 format double events) you alternate shots, but you also alternate Drives as well.  We also did it this way in the ball golf/disc golf round.  That way everyone has to drive and use their drives accordingly at some point.  If you go to the model of every other shot, you could in theory have that long armer throwing it to the basket on every drive, and the other person putting in drop in's.  Not really creating the notion of using every person to balance the holes.

Now, this is just my own interpretation on how it will be played, and that is why I am just wanting to see some specific clarification on this stance.  You can alter it accordingly.

But I believe that the way Scott is saying he will it have it is straight on Alternate shot, which could mean that the entire series of 9 holes only one person could drive and one person would putt.  Just want to make sure I am getting it the way he wants it.  Which I think is this method.....not as I indicated.


Just as he has already indicated that on the Worst shot both players need to make it "In the Best Shot and Tough Shot formats, the second player does not throw if the first player has holed out." , this could also be clarified and hence my asking.  As long as it is consistent from beginning to end of the event that is fine, but just trying to grab clarification as well.

THe 6-6-6 format is one I used for the LS Doubles over the years, 1-6 Best Shot, 7-12 alternate shot, and 13-18 Worst shot.....IO love the idea all in all, just trying to point out an issue that I see when you really make it every other shot the entire time on alternate, it can create an unfair advantage very quickly......

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On Alternate shot, player A would drive, player B would take the upshot and player A would make the putt.  On the next hole Player B would drive and so forth.  This style format would not allow a player to throw 2x in a row.

Ok, so for clarification....as I know you get it as well.....

Alternate shot will be alternate shot on the hole as played, that alternate player would drive on the next hole.  The way it is worded, could be construed that you alternate every shot all the time was my only concern.  I get it, but others may not who haven't played in this format.

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Scott,

On the alternate shot format, typically there is an alternation between the driving on the holes as well.   In which case you MAY throw 2x at the same time.   Now that is a typical scenario, but you can call them as you see fit, I was just wondering if that will be the case or not.  So Player A throws farther by 30% over player B, and as such Player A misses a putt to always drive.......

Your call entirely but wanted to see what you thought.  Could be the case as well in mixed so that you are alternating drives.

just throwing it out there.

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Good times folks.  Uncertain if I can make it down there this year though. ???

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Pleasant Hill / Re: P Hill work day
« on: March 26, 2015, 01:08:05 pm »
thank you!

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So question:
I currently live in Missouri, but moving to Kansas prior to tournament. Born in Lawrence so I guess that makes me more of a Kansas guy historically. Technically tied for Kansas qualification at Rosedale and will do best to qualify for MO. But are there any rules/precedents on this?

He is an Iowa boy, Full on DQ.

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General Banter / Re: PDGA Ratings Update
« on: March 25, 2015, 01:37:47 pm »
Stats are for Losers... ;D

Hold on I am trying to enter that.  Can you give me the parameters you used to identify this statement?

Where is Brinkmeyer when we need him? :'(

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General Banter / Re: PDGA Ratings Update
« on: March 25, 2015, 11:12:54 am »
The alternative - to create a course rating for each tee pad and each pin placement, while more accurate, would be nearly infinitely harder.

It makes it harder in KC, but where I think we need to look at is in regards to each pin placement and layout on the course.  We are soooooo spoiled in the area as most of our courses locally have 3 pins per hole.

I attempt to track hole by hole scoring for almost every event at Cliff to give a good assessment of the actual stats per location.  It isn't easy, and it takes time.

I have tried to do it at Wide Open's in the past as well as World's.  The biggest issue is that soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people start on hole #1 on the scorecards that accuracy is thrown out the window....

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Blue Valley / Re: Be a part of history-Saturday come help!
« on: March 25, 2015, 11:09:51 am »
http://heyevent.com/event/836622226385552/project-blue-river-rescues-25th-year

Rob, you have to head back to the Nature Center for the Lunch, it isn't provided at the location. 

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Blue Valley / Re: Be a part of history-Saturday come help!
« on: March 25, 2015, 10:26:51 am »
There are plenty of areas to work.  Signing up doesn't hurt at all, there will be probably at least 100-150 people out there working in different high pollution spots to help.  If you can sign up, always looks good to have the numbers, if you show up, it is truly better to have hands on deck!

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General Banter / Re: PDGA Ratings Update
« on: March 25, 2015, 10:25:28 am »
^^^^^^^what this guy said to me in like 2005 and saying again 10 years later still holds true!

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they run SMALLL, I couldn't fit into a 12, I get 13 in Keens.  I was supposed to get a pair to give away I don't remember if it happens.

The truth though is that they were NOT meant to be used as disc golf shoes.  They were to be the shoes you wore after the round.....or in Steeler's case a way to prevent broken glass and rocks from ripping up your feet.....

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Blue Valley / Re: Be a part of history-Saturday come help!
« on: March 24, 2015, 11:56:24 am »
Yep you can do it that way Rob for certain.  You pick which one on the past anyway.

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Blue Valley / Re: Be a part of history-Saturday come help!
« on: March 24, 2015, 09:05:26 am »
Doug are we to meet again down at the Lakeside nature Center for starters and to sign in?

I know that there is a big push at Cliff this weekend as well with Brett, but I can come help out as well out here for the few hours it appears to be earmarked.

I know in some instances it is just as good to meet at Blue Valley, so it may save a trip of driving for a few, especially Rob, as it just adds distance that he may not need to do unless of course he wants some of those free donuts they give to juice us up!

http://www.lakesidenaturecenter.org/2014%20-%20PBRR%20Flyer.pdf

Project Blue River Rescue
Clean up the River!
You can sign up for 2015 after 1/1/15
Saturday, March 28, 2015
8am to noon at Lakeside Nature Center
Be part of Missouri's biggest one-day clean-up and help us clean the Blue.  Stop by the water testing stations and see concrete results.
Call (816) 513-8960 for more information. Feel free to e-mail us at folnc@crn.org to register..

http://greenabilitymagazine.com/green-events/project-blue-river-rescue/

I don't want to send anything off if you already know.

It is a great day to give back to the community and the environment for certain folks!  Help out, though not all focused on the disc golf course, it is in fact a true benefit to the park.

Thanks again Doug for reminding us all of this great work to improve one of the best pieces of land in the city!

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