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General Banter / Cooper Arnold--Apology and thanks
« on: October 17, 2016, 10:15:20 AM »
I wanted to post this because I believe that it is over do.  Cooper has been playing very solid and though this isn't the reason for the post, it reminded me that I want to take time to apologize to him on the forum as well as thank him and congratulate him.

There are a few people that get my blood boiling at times, and Cooper had to take the brunt on what I felt at the time was a warranted conversation (man emotions huh?).  He moved away, he returned, and I wanted to say that I for one noticed a change that I welcomed.  It may be the lack of internet fodder as the culprit, but beyond that Cooper has stepped up and helped out in many areas around town, and I notice it.  I appreciate it, and I for one wanted to say thanks, and apologize for my tone in the past on the internet.

I have re-read some of the heated flames we spewed at each other, and it clearly wasn't my best side by any stretch, and I am completely as certain I could have gone a different way to get my message across, so I am ashamed of some of my own comments.

That being said, I wanted to say great play this past weekend as well as throughout the year, and my sincere thank you for your seemingly unselfish help that you have done as I have seen this past year.  I appreciate it, I love seeing it, and by all accounts I should make it known in the public circles that I for one thank you for your help as a perceived vision of mine (I am not delusional I know that my glasses are rose....) may not have reflected that.

I appreciate that you are playing very well also, seeing the scores, and the folks you beat this weekend, it is cool to see!

Congrats, and thank you sir!

In order to volunteer (we would LOVE to have you help please sign up!) all volunteers must sign waivers at

The more the merrier!

Please help plant some trees at WyCo!

Blue Valley / Course Closed Septmeber 16-17 2016
« on: September 06, 2016, 11:04:13 AM »

There will be a bicycle event that will be running through Blue Valley, namely holes 1, 10, 12, 13 on the big course, and about 1/2 of the Executive course.

Any damage to the course will be repaired by the group, but it is a positive activity within the park that we need.

Looks to be a pretty cool event, they are planning about ~150 riders on the course.

Come on out to watch!

Been searching for some things disc golf related on old information.  I ran across this article.  This was at a forum that many disc golfers attended (I believe myself, Ed Gonzales, Dirk Hacker were in attendance at this meeting in particular)  We had already met with the P&R about getting something moving, but this was sort of the starting point to truly look to move some DG in the public forum into the JoCo county parks.  The plans were in place at this point to get SMP as a permanent course, and to move forward with plans to get one at Heritage.  The initial map for Heritage is far from our conversations back in 2002, 2003, but the goal was a DG course and it happened.  This is why having a club in town is so important.  Organizations can share in making things happen.  As people change out of the leadership roles, there are pieces in place to help ensure things don't get lost even when they do.

We have a great club, we have a great organization, and we have many to thank.  Help be a part, do you part and represent KC Disc golf well!

Consultant suggests closing dog, horse areas at SM Park
By:Rob Roberts, Sun Staff Writer    September 25, 2003
A consultant's presentation of proposed master-plan changes for Shawnee Mission Park, 79th Street and Renner Road, on Tuesday was anything but a dog-and-pony show.

The recommendations from Land Plan Engineering, announced during a public meeting at the Tomahawk Recreation Complex in Shawnee, called for moving a popular off-leash dog area out of the 2,000-acre county park and ending the pasturing of horses in the 360-acre Oak Ridge area in the northernmost portion of the park.

Only about 50 horse-owning families and 63 horses currently use the Oak Ridge area, Doug Pickert of Land Plan Engineering told the 100 residents in attendance Tuesday, and his firm feels the area could be better used by being made accessible to the masses through development of hiking and mountain-biking trails there.

Ron Copeland, who pastures two horses at Oak Ridge, didn't disagree that the area should be opened to hikers and bikers. But he said that shouldn't preclude the pasturing of horses there.

"I'm upset that they would recommend doing away with the pasturing," Copeland said. "The horses could be confined in a fourth of the vast area they're in now, and that would allow both the trails and the horses."

Many people currently bring their children to the Oak Ridge area just to see the horses, Copeland said, adding that removing the horses would be removing one of Shawnee Mission Park's attractions.

It would also create a hardship for him personally, he said.

As a captain of the Shawnee Police Department, Copeland said, he has to live within the city of Shawnee, where Oak Ridge represents the only nearby, reasonably priced alternative for pasturing his horses.

In addition to being close to his home, the captain said, the Oak Ridge pastures afford him and other local horse lovers with quick access to the Shawnee Mission Park horse trails, which the consultants say should continue to exist, with or without the pasturing.

Horse owners pay $120 per horse per month to keep their horses at Oak Ridge, Copeland added, and those fees represent more than $80,000 in annual revenue that could be used for other improvements called for by the new master-plan recommendations.

Currently, Pickert said, there is no funding identified for any of the proposed improvements, nor will any of the improvements be set in concrete until they are acted on by the county park board, likely in December.

By then, the consultants should have cost estimates developed for the improvements they are recommending for Shawnee Mission Park, as well as Ernie Miller Nature Center and Heritage Park, both in Olathe.

Public hearings were held last spring to solicit input for new 20-year master plans for those parks, as prescribed by the county's MAP 2020 plan.

Using that input, Land Plan Engineering consultants, with input from county park and recreation officials, developed the "3 Plans for 3 Parks" recommendations that were to be presented during separate meetings for each park between Tuesday and tonight.

One piece of input that the officials didn't bite on was a suggestion last spring that Shawnee Mission Park's off-leash dog area be expanded.

According to Pickert, officials felt the dog area should be removed from the park because, among other reasons, it interferes with the prairie restoration envisioned for the area and the dog feces it generates threatens the water quality in nearby Shawnee Mission Lake.

While dog lovers may not like that development, BMX bicycling and Frisbee golf enthusiasts who spoke at the spring hearings were pleased with other recommendations announced Tuesday.

One recommendation calls for a Frisbee golf course to be developed in a large open area near the main entrance to the park, and another calls for the development of BMX racing and practice sites in the 90-acre former quarry site in the southwest corner of the park.

The master-plan recommendations call for that area to be developed as an extreme-sports complex, where elevated mountain-bike trails would be built and former quarry walls would be used for rock climbing.

Other recommendations for Shawnee Mission Park call for:

* The archery range to be moved from its current location near the southwest corner of the park to a site in the northern portion of the park, where archers would be able to face north, rather than into the sun, and where some Olympic-standard 90-meter target lanes could be included;

* The redevelopment of the multi-use trail area north of the lake with separate hiking and mountain-biking trails that would be less precipitous and, thus, less prone to washing out.

* Development of a mountain-bike trailhead and parking near the Small Lakes area to serve those using the five miles of new mountain-bike trails to be developed north of the lake;

* Rerouting and reconstruction of park roads to provide better connections between various portions of the park and to allow addition of bike lanes.

* Elimination of one of two ball fields in the Walnut Grove area to make room for a wetlands area that would stem the flow of silt running off from nearby residential development into the south end of the lake;

* Improvements to Theatre in the Park, including a new indoor rehearsal and meeting facility, a new pavilion, and expanded restroom and concession areas;

* Extensive prairie restoration; and

* Various other improvements to shelters, picnic areas and the marina area.

For full descriptions of the proposed improvements, visit

©The Johnson County Sun 2003

Cliff Drive / Rain rain go away.....No league 8.29.16
« on: August 29, 2016, 09:19:59 AM »
Too much rain this weekend (with last nights area dumping) we got over 9 inches of rain in 48 hours.  As such no league tonight, we will try again on the 12th as there will be no league on the Holiday next week.

Cliff Drive / 8.22.16 League results
« on: August 23, 2016, 09:42:59 AM »
3 came, 3 played, one won...

Ted K-60

Next week back at Cliff.

Cliff Drive / 8.8.16-No League tonight--Reservoir History
« on: August 08, 2016, 02:57:15 PM »

For your reading pleasure, some History on the Reservoir.....

Filled: The real deal on Northeast’s reservoir

By admin | Posted March 14th, 2012 |

By Michael Bushnell
Northeast News
March 14, 2012

Recently, there’s been quite a bit of talk about the possibility of filling in the old reservoir overlooking Cliff Drive with dirt and creating more usable park green space or an area for mountain bikers to test their skills.

Given the historic structure is again the center of attention for redevelopment, we’d like to offer an historic perspective on the original intent and purpose of the long neglected, yet integral piece of Northeast history.

In 1909, Kansas City’s Fire and Water Commission proposed building a large water reservoir atop the bluff overlooking the burgeoning, industrial East Bottoms. The area required a high rate of water for industrial purposes due to the growing number of new factories and manufacturing operations that had located there over the past 10 years. Breweries, ice houses, railroad yards, all in need of large quantities of industrial water.

The plan, however, languished and wasn’t broached again until 1914, when it was mentioned in a parks department report outlining improvements to the parks and boulevard system for the city. Construction of the massive reservoir was finally undertaken in 1919 at roughly the same time the Waldo water tower was being constructed. Upon its completion in 1920, the new Northeast reservoir, along with the older but smaller reservoir in Observation Park near 20th Street and Jarboe, gave the city an industrial water supply of more than 23 million gallons of water to serve its growing manufacturing base in the East and West Bottoms areas.

The new reservoir overlooking the East bottoms measured 590-feet long by roughly 230-feet wide and had a capacity of 16 million gallons of water. The smaller Holly Street reservoir located in Observation Park near 20th and Jarboe was roughly 300 feet long by 150-feet wide and had a capacity of 7.75-million gallons.

Almost immediately after being put into service in 1920, Northeast’s huge basin was beset with problems. Cracks began to develop along the seams of the poured concrete basin under the immense pressure of the collected water.

Due to a growing population and the need for more modern water delivery techniques, Kansas Citians passed an $11 million bond issue to construct a new water works on the north side of the river, complete with water intakes located on the Missouri River. Prior to the completion of the new facility, the city’s water intake was on the Kansas River, downstream from the stockyards and all the slaughterhouses that dumped their spent fluids and waste into the river.

In 1928, the new water treatment facility went online. Shortly thereafter in 1931, the newly constructed Northeast Pumping Station on Nicholson Trafficway in the East Bottoms was put into service, thereby rendering the Northeast reservoir obsolete. Its contents were drained and it’s been a forgotten piece of Northeast history for more than 80 years.

Over the years, a variety of neighborhood-based adaptive re-use ideas have been floated for the old reservoir. Some of those ideas included an amphitheater, a skateboard park and even an extreme sports venue with half pipes, jumps and rails for riders to test their skills. The old reservoir, however, continues to sit neglected and vacant, waiting for an adaptive reuse plan that will best use its cavernous twin bowls and stunning view of the Cliff Drive Scenic Byway.

Cliff Drive / LDO 2016 Big Course layout
« on: July 29, 2016, 04:10:04 PM »
I am sure there will be a much prettier version but here you go for now!
Hole #1=Play #10 to the middle right placement
Hole #2=Tee from Road go to LONG #18/Practice Pin
Hole #3=Play #11 Short
Hole #4=Tee from the Road to #11 Long Pin
Hole #5=Play Hole #12
Hole #6=Play Hole #13 Short
Hole #7=Tee from the Road and play to #14 Short pin
Hole #8=Tee from #15 Pad and play to #14 Long Pin
Hole #9=Tee from Road and play to #15 Short Pin
Hole #10=Play Hole #16 Short
Hole #11=Tee from #17 pad and play to #18 Pin long left
Hole #12=Play hole #1 to Practice Basket left
Hole #13=Tee from the Road and play to long #1 pin
Hole #14=Play hole #2 Short placement
Hole #15=Play hole #3
Hole #16=Play hole #4 Short
Hole #17=Play hole #5 Short
Hole #18=Play hole #6 Long

Cliff Drive / Work days upcoming
« on: July 21, 2016, 12:33:07 PM »
Posting information about the needs at Cliff for the Lion's Den (August 6th).  I hope to be out there this and next weekend to work on the following:

Get trash out and cans cut to have in place

#1-Mow around the basket and the hillside to the south of the basketClear out any trash on the hillside, clean up a little off the pad
#2-mow Fairway--New--Weedeat the right side off the pad down to the grass section
#3-Clean around the top shelf area of the basket and expose cliff.  Cut honeysuckle and weeds on the right hillside
#4-Clean weeds/overgrowth in front of padremove downed tree pieces to side of fairwayMow and weedeat the entire area
#5-Mow the hillside and the top layer
#6-Mow fairway and weedeat--ignore long placement for now
#7-#8--clear out the back hole placement and weeds along the hillside.  Exposing as we always do the rock walls all the way down the fairway.  Weedeat everywhere and expose a little more on the long #8--New some done, need more!!!  Replace 3 missing chains or 4?[/b]
#9-clear out more of the view to the lexington bridge, clean off all the IVY on the big tree by #10 pad
#10-Clear out tree that is over the pad.  Clean up long placement area

That should do it for now.  If you want to help let me know.  9143-485-5123

New--get all the brush from the past week collectively out by the road/tee pad #10 area from staging area
Continue to clear out and spray herbicide as we cut
get trash collected and up to hole 1 from hillside and all cans
Get cans on the course (Anyone got a portable saw?)
Clean off "original #1 pad area) from honeysuckle, add piles and open up the hillside to ease removal of trash on #1

More to follow as we get there.  For More information about the event out on the course on August 6th check out  The park's baskets went in permanently in August of 2004, so the course will be 12 this year, and continues to grow on people across the world!

We have our board meeting tonight, so I will work on getting league going but will have to leave afterwards.

With my knee still not operational to the point I want to move baskets, I haven't gotten there to alter them this past weekend.

Derrick indicated he may help move a few but probably will just play it as set for now and see how I do this week.  I am getting better.

Ace Fund $591, its available for you to get.....but you have to be there to play and win it!

Teeing off promptly at 6, please be prepared to be signed up by 5:45.



Cliff Drive / 4th of July at Cliff?--Looking for help
« on: June 09, 2016, 04:32:57 PM »
There is planned events at Cliff Drive on the 4th, and they would like to include a Disc Golf Event.  I was hoping that someone might be interested in playing/running as I will be in Iowa.

If you have an interest let me know.  I don't think that it will be a "charged" event, but I will have score cards and set the course up quite friendly for people to enjoy.

Let me know if you have an interest in helping.



Swope / SWOPE CLOSED THURSDAY JUNE 16th in the morning
« on: June 08, 2016, 02:26:17 PM »
Please be advised that Swope Disc golf course will be closed for public play on Thursday morning June 16th. Please spread the word. Parks and Recreation will be having a meeting there and have asked for us to help. It will be open for play probably about noon.

Blue Valley / 6/6/16 NE KC PDGA League-Blue Valley
« on: June 06, 2016, 09:49:12 AM »
Reminder NE League Kansas City Style tonight is at Blue Valley park. Please be there by 5:35 to check in want to get started by 6.

Cliff Drive / 6/6/16 NE KC PDGA League-Blue Valley
« on: June 06, 2016, 09:48:34 AM »
Reminder NE League Kansas City Style tonight is at Blue Valley park. Please be there by 5:35 to check in want to get started by 6.

Water Works / Construction to begin real soon!
« on: June 01, 2016, 01:15:13 PM »
Many of you are aware that there has been a plan in place to add trails in WW park, and that process has been undergoing review for over a decade.  Well that time is fast approaching and they will begin surveying the park this week and quite possibly breaking ground next week.

This major change at the park will bring a shelter by current hole #12, and trails that flow through holes #12, #13, and #2-#9.

We have worked hard to configure the trails in a mannerism that will minimize the impact to the course but we will now be sharing the park more than in the past.  most of the initial work will be in the North part (by #12) to start and then will continue as the summer goes.  The goal is to have most of this completed by Mid-September/October timelines.

We will be working on a plan as well to have Ben Crosby work with new features to work towards beautification of WW, and as such there may be some changes that take place in regards to the basket movements as well, as we may need to work towards a model with minimal basket movement this summer than we are accustomed to.

Please realize that these changes will enable us to have a better overall presentation for the park and many plans have been delayed as we have worked the P&R to ensure that our place is still #1 within the park.  They value our input, they love what we have done over the past 2 decades in the park, and realize we are the #1 stakeholder in the park.

Change is hard and I know that it may not appear as though to some, but this is a great chance for us to work towards a better park for everyone to enjoy!

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