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Tournaments / Am Worlds-Who is going?
« on: March 30, 2015, 01:46:04 pm »
I am thinking that I will be making the trip to K-Zoo for Worlds in July, was wondering who else was thinking that?

General Banter / Apologies to Rob and a few others.
« on: March 23, 2015, 10:07:57 am »
I would like to publicly go on the record with an apology to Rob and a few others that I may have offended.

In the case specifically of Rob, my biggest problem with is a perception problem of my own.  I may post a little more passionately about how I view things, and how they should be done in my eyes.  I at times fail to have the realization that it is sole focus burning and not to the betterment of Disc Golf.  Not my intent, but clearly it can come across that way.

So I wanted to let the record show that although I am very passionate about my own beliefs, desires, and expectations, many others may not share that vision or passion.  As such my comments made at times may not be the best alignment to point out how great our community is.

I tend to view the forum as an open chance for dialogue to start conversations that at times may get heated.  I don't back down, but I will change my own opinion as time and conversations make me see that I may need to be more altruistic.  This is the case here. 

I do think that Rob is getting some great traction in the less than normally played locations.  I may not agree with the mannerism that he goes about, but that is just simply because he is doing it his way and I shouldn't chastise him for that as I have been.

There are other conversations that come up that I clearly do get heated on, and it is the basis for my apologies to others as well.  It appears in my typing at the computer that I am guilty of what I despise the most.....typing at the machine, not talking and communicating and I hated realizing that is what I have been doing as well.  Not my intent (ok some times it is....  ;D ) to alienate individuals, but in most instances it is the belief that we all have a passion to take the sport forward.

My devotion may be greater than some, weaker than others, and honestly more tied to the notion of the work that I personally give and see others give.  I know the requirements in many cases, and I expect and at times demand people be held to the standard I have of myself.  I don't even make that standard often, so as such I shouldn't be throwing rocks in the glass house that I am looking through.

For that I do apologize to Rob specifically as my intent wasn't to belittle, but rather shine a light that I felt needed, which probably isn't my place to do so publicly.  Others I may have offended, realize that this is only due to my own desire to have Kansas City as the greatest town in the world to play our sport.  Even though on the Chatter Room here I may come across as all knowing and wonderful, I am but a man behind the green curtain, and as such it isn't just I that can complete anything in town, it takes all of us.  We may offer disagreeing terms, and some times may get heated, my intent isn't to alienate, but to engage, discuss and find a solution to help us all.

Many of you over the years know my bark is far worst than my bite.  I very rarely bite, in fact generally will give off my plate instead.  I don't want our community to be viewed as hostile, and my recent conversations may have indicated that it is.  It isn't, and for that I feel shame, and it took the conversations recently to show me that I may be over stepping what I view as helping, because it hasn't, and for that I do apologize to all of you as well.



Cliff Drive / If you see something missing, please let someone know
« on: March 14, 2015, 03:09:44 pm »
Basket #13 was stolen, I have moved one of the practice baskets in its place.

If you let us know in here to fix these things it would be great.

I am also going to be heading out there tomorrow morning to clean up hole #1 off the pad (gulley) and move some more pins.  If interested in helping, show up.  If not, come play it if you aren't playing in the event!

General Banter / The High Five
« on: March 05, 2015, 04:25:17 pm »
So started in another thread, what 5 courses would you want to play in one day in a winner take all format locally.  The gist is though they can't be on one location, so you can't do Up top then Down Under, back to back, you could do one, play 3 others then come back...

Here are Richard's initial thoughts....
How about :

Woodhenge-Back Thorn-Beaver Creek-Jesse James-Stocksdale


Rosedale(DU)-Rosedale(UP)-Water Works-Cliff-Swope




PHill-Legacy-Wilbur-Cliff-Water Works

I was thinking of the following-
Something Smithville
Swope or SMP

Birdlandia or PC
Rosie or Cliff


Leagues / No league 2015 for the Cliff Drive-unless you wanna run it.
« on: March 02, 2015, 10:56:16 am »
Too many other leagues on Monday's now, I am not committing to the time, if you want to run it, please contact your Board of Directors.

Surprised I was to hear about leagues going in on Monday nights with all around no inclusion to the protection of Cliff Drive.

As such at this point I have no intention of running a league with a few people on Monday's at Cliff.

If you are interested in running a league at Cliff, I suggest you work with the BoD to find a time line that works for all engaged.

There are plenty of options for playing disc golf out there folks, so have fun choosing another competitive format, or come play at Cliff with your own funding options.

Thanks for the years of enjoyment, maybe it will return in 2016.  It could be this year if someone wants to run it.

Tournaments / Iowa Tourney Schedule 2015
« on: February 24, 2015, 04:42:16 pm »
Folks there are many great courses to the North, and many good people running them.  This will be updated as they come along as well!!

General Banter / East Side TEAM page
« on: February 19, 2015, 04:30:05 pm » can we have a captain for 2015? ;D

Cliff Drive / Course CLOSED May 29/30/31 & August 9th 2015
« on: February 18, 2015, 03:46:41 pm »
The annual Bike Race 5k run is this weekend, so the course will be closed.

The event on the 9th, we will probably be having workdays for the Lion's Den, but the actual course will still be closed for all the trails that day.

General Banter / Help with a few events in January
« on: November 18, 2014, 02:18:33 pm »
I am in need of a few volunteers at the following courses, or at least interest in helping with something that I am thinking about, if you are interested in helping out during the following weekends on the following courses, please let me know:

Blue Springs
Lees Summit
Shawnee Mission

January 10/11 and 17/18 of 2015.


Tournaments / Lion's Den August 22nd 2015-Tree Love Classic August 23rd
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:48:29 pm »
Be prepared, be warned, play hungover on Sunday.

Cliff Drive / Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: October 20, 2014, 11:35:28 am »
Looking to probably expand Cliff in its current configuration to a 24 hole course.  Are you interested in helping?

After many hours of conversation and discussion the realistic footprint is that cliff will remain pretty much the same with expansion to a 24 hole layout.

Will be looking at making current #7 in the short pin vanish.  We will be making the rocks on the right of the fairway OB, and adding more rocks, and trees along that stretch.

#17 will remain as it is, but with more trees, as will #13 and #14.

We will be working on a complete change of the trees coming up with a plan in place.

I have been working diligently at development of a plan that allows the usage of the bike trail and the disc golf course, and I think that all of us agree with the changes that were suggested.  The hope is that this minimizes impact on either of us with the great work that the trails have done in bringing in excitement, and the enjoyment that we have of seeing more people in the park.

Our gem is nice, but to show off the gem is always better.  To know that we have been instrumental in the development and improvements of the park over the past 15 years is also something that we can be proud of.  And finally our ability to engage and work towards a harmonious plan should be cool for us to all enjoy a diverse use of a great green space is wonderful.

Plans look like this:
The 2 new holes-they are partially done, we want to continue to clear it out, plant some dividing trees, and extending them both, initially the first one for the pin, and the pad on the second one.

Beyond hole #4.  Looking to continue around the long placement and wrap around the hillside with a shot about 270-320', then going down the hill a touch and coming back around towards #5 pad.  Initially I have always wanted to have hole #5 pad back further, but in this configuration we will be throwing down the slope of the hill towards it, a tricky placement shot that should be about 250-275' downhill

Beyond #6-going back back back, this hole will gain about 200' going the other direction from current long right placement, with valleys and ravines in place will play very uber technical on the shot.  We will then tee from the woods with a gut line shot about 300' through the woods heading up to the top of the grass to the northside of the road across from the lake.  We will then tee from that part of the land on the northside of the road and go towards current #7 from there.

So we lose short #7, an original hole from the days of past disc golf, we gain a value added partner in continuing to improve and positive activity within the park, and we will see more disc golf holes to play in the park that will create a uniquely interesting challenge to develop a course like very few, and in turn create better disc golfers in KC.

Pay attention as the leaves fall more work will be needed, and I know we can use a lot of help from a lot of people to get this done collectively!

Cliff Drive / Final leaguefor the Northeast Results
« on: September 22, 2014, 09:20:12 am »
Well after the HUGE turnout for league last Monday on Doubles BagTag night, tonight we will decide to play.......whatever the group that shows up to play decides.  We want to be throwing by 5:35, last time on a very similar configuration we were done by 7:08   Please be signed up by 5:25.

I wanted to do a BYOP doubles alternate shot format, but hey I am not sure how many people will do that.  So we will probably play in the "shorter" configuration of the course to have an 18 hole course set up ala "ace friendly" to see if anyone wants to grab a piece of the $561 ace fund out here.  Probably play in this configurations tonight:
1-to original short basket
2-from the road to #1 (ala LDO)
3-new hole in woods
4-other new hole in the woods
5-hole #2
6-Hole #3
7-Hole #4
8-Hole #5
9-Hole #6
10-Hole #7
11-Hole #8 (Hangar)
12-Hole #9
13-from the road by #18 pin to Blue Practice Basket

14-Hole #11 short Red practice basket
15-Hole #12
16-Hole #16
17-Hole #17
18-Hole #10

Please note that this allows us to flow quite nicely from #9 pin to the road, and gives less total walking by making #10 as the "last hole".  Since it is in the "long position" anyway, it will be a tough shot to begin with.

Cliff Drive / Doubles 9/15/14 @ Cliff
« on: September 09, 2014, 03:39:33 pm »
Lets get started no later than 5:35, registration by 5:30.  Random doubles, based on Bag Tags probably, but random this week, and then next week I would like to see us do an alternate shot doubles to finish the year.

Cliff Drive / Final PDGA League NE Monday night results
« on: September 09, 2014, 02:59:14 pm »

Results are in and sent off.  These are the final results for the league.  In order to qualify you must have competed in at least 5 rounds (1/2 the season) and then in stead of basing it off Par, or total strokes, it was based on the finish you had for each night you played.  I averaged the finishing spot and that was the determining factor for the results.  Based on this even though Jose played 1 more week Beckett Averaged a higher finish average, and coincidentally had a lower average.  Which was the case, with the exception of Dick Parker, who averaged higher than Peter Bures on score but finished higher on the average place.

I basically balanced it all out on on the final spreadsheet for Am/Pro, but put myself in Am Master since I typically played in Masters as did a few others, I didn't want to detract from the battle in the field, as Bill Shinoski won the tight battle for the lead on the NE League Night.  Bill played solidly and typically above his rating every week.  He also averaged a stroke better than Ryan and they didn't miss a league this season at all.  So it is a true apples to apples comparison for them.  Bill shot better head to head on only 4 of the nights, but the season was done for Ryan on a couple of nights where the LDO Preview was U-G-L-Y for Ryan as he shot a 70 to Bill's 59.  That clearly was the biggest factor there.

I may do something special for the winners, and I may not.  I don't know.  Really unsure at this point what to do, and playing with the stats was fun for certain, but this is where we ended up.  We also raised a little over $50 for the trees and this weekend the TLC will get that additional money deposited.  You DON'T want to miss the course, it is in FANTASTIC shape right now, and Drew will work hard so that the second round will be very different from the first one.  Come on and sign up, and get out to one of the best courses in the area, and see some great shots, either by yourself, or watch others as you stand in awe!

In order   to qualify   you must   have   played in    5 weeks   
Division   Name                Average Place      Average   Rounds Played
PRO   Beckett   Carduff           1.83                  54.67       6
PRO   Jose   Ossa                   2.43                  55.14       7
PRO   Dick    Parker                   3.00                  57.00       6
PRO   Peter   Bures           3.43                  56.29       7
PRO   Derek   Holt                   3.80                  58.60       5
PRO   Zeke   Henry                   4.60                  61.40       5
   Less than    5 Weeks            
PRO   Steve   Thimmesch        1.00                  51.00       1
PRO   Scott    Herring           1.00                  53.00       1
PRO   Joe   Hesting                   1.00                  54.00       1
PRO   Chris    Cossette           2.00                  54.00       1
PRO   Ryan   Keck                           4.00                  54.00       1
PRO   Duane CD   Steiner           3.33                  54.33       3
PRO   Daniel Das   Loomis        2.00                  56.00       1
PRO   Ted    Keith                   7.00                  58.00       1
PRO   Jordan   Hinck           4.00                  60.00       1
PRO   Mike    Murphy           5.00                  64.00       1
In order   to qualify   you must   have   played in    5 weeks   
Division   Name   Average Place                Average   Rounds Played                  
AM     Bill   Shinoski               2.89                  60.78       9
AM   Ryan   Westa               3.00                  61.89       9
AM   Jason   Allen               5.00                  67.29       7
Am Master   Jack   Lowe    2.57                  59.86       7

   Less than    5 Weeks            
AM   James   Loveall      1.00                          58.00       1
AM   Matt   Crow              1.00                          59.00       1
AM   Joshua   Wiedenfeld   2.50                          60.50       2
AM   Matt   Dixon              3.00                          61.00       1
AM   Graham   Long              4.50                          61.50       2
AM   Duane   Waldman      6.00                          68.00       1
AM   Mike    Krueger      6.00                          68.00       1
AM   Travis   Corporon      5.00                          71.00       1
AM   Josh   Agee              6.00                          78.00       1
AM   Nate   Zier                      8.00                          83.00       1
Am Master   Kelly   Babbitt      1.00                  57.50       2
Am Master   Sneaky   Snake   3.00                  58.00       1
Am Master   Demian   Vela      4.00                  59.00       1
Am Master   Danny   Rodriguez   4.00                  61.00       1
Am Master   Tony   Burnett      5.00                  65.50       2
Am Master   TJ   Barnes      5.00                  68.00       1
Am Master   Rob    Martin      7.00                  70.50       2
Am Master   Doug   Keehler   9.00                  76.00       1

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