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Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: October 30, 2014, 03:08:37 PM »
now this is getting interesting...... ;D

So we have to decide a captain.  How many East Siders want to play, lets start there and then have a meeting to discuss how we return the championship to the original owner and whom should lead us to the right path of victory.

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Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: October 29, 2014, 08:51:47 AM »
I figured Mike was calling himself a troll in this case as well.....since he averages.0005 posts per day.....

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Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:49:17 PM »
wait what?  That wasn't where that was going.....

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Tournaments / Lion's Den August 22nd 2015-Tree Love Classic August 23rd
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:48:29 PM »
Be prepared, be warned, play hungover on Sunday.


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General Banter / Re: November 15th Club Elections/ Voting Item
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:34:56 PM »
AS one of the proponents for the 501c3 (back in 2004 I actually asked why we weren't and started to investigate it then) we looked into many different options and what made the most sense.  I met with our attorney who was crafting the documentation to send off to the IRS back in 2010, I think, and as such his indication was that is better to have it in the by-laws to thwart the notion of the available voting decisions to appear to be biased towards an individual or company to profit from the organizations model.

At that time we only had 1 disc golf company in the community, Disc Golf World.

For many of you in this forum you may not know the pains that Rick has done for the club over the years to prevent its collapse.  He has single-handedly kep this club afloat through many a storm to be where we are today.  He took the leadership after the 2009 worlds and our payments of over $20k and managed them to -0- balance.  He has ran events and kept the KCFDC moving forward with his inspirational magazine articles about our great city for decades to enamor people with our courses.  There is a reason that many outside of Kansas City always wanted to play here, quite simply Disc Golf World News took a keen interest in his back yard at enticement for the event.

We now have another disc golf company in the area.  That company is a different model in that they are engaged in a model that clearly works with the competitive component of the sport, almost exclusively.  That is a different model from Disc Golf World in my own mind in that Rick's has tended to be in regards to the community of disc golfers and the casual player informing them.  Both are needed in the growing disc golf market so that is super cool, we have that option to look at.

However from my own standpoint a better more attractive methodology would be to enable those that align themselves with the store they represent be a voting board member but not a position holding member of the BoD.  I think that both should have membership to the board to help ensure that their interests are heard and that they are informed of the direction of the club in order to help their business.

But the issue then stems from what would be considered alliance and what is considered 51%.  I think of Pete on this.  I love Pete to death and think the world of him, but is it fair for someone like Pete to be on the board who clearly doesn't make 51% in disc golf (family business is way better to him than disc golf is.....) and then leave someone like Rick off the board because of a monetary component?  That to me is a much stronger issue for removal of the wording, and then hoping (I cringe thinking that out loud, I hate hoping) that the BoD does the best job moving forward in terms of the way that it conducts it's business.

This isn't something to be taken lightly.  Having the 501c3 would enable us to write out checks to the club to be tax deductible, for us, for our employers, and our sponsors.  This is something that I worked on tirelessly for years only to be met with accounting from us that wouldn't pass the test.

We are close to being at a point where that is resolved, as such we need to ensure that we are able to move forward, not lose our designation, nor give an impression of improper accounting or favoritism within BoD and the club.

Highly controversial, yes, open to discussion, absolutely.  Realizing that this has been in the works for about 7 years now is something that I am uncertain many are aware of.  This was something that I wanted done when I left the BoD I thought that we had all the ducks in a row to make it happen, only to find out we didn't.  We are now closer, and I for one didn't like the removal of the verbiage a few years back, but I trust the BoD to make the right call.

If the attorney representing us is ok with the removal of the wording then it should be.  If they aren't, then we need to address how to make it fair and equitable to both of our community businesses that support the club to be right for them both.

This is a critical step at helping us become a bigger player.  Most importantly with this what is board going to do in the direction of the club once approved?  What visions do the current board have for the model of the club, what is the future plans for the club as one, and what plans will be made to entrust that we don't lose this status as other clubs have.  The loss of the 501c3 has hurt a few clubs, so what safeguards are in place to ensure that we are compliant now, moving forward next year, and most importantly beyond.

This isn't something that can only be discussed during the meeting, this needs to be discussed in advanced as well.  If we wait until the meeting alone, this will take hours to define and engage the proper dialogue.  So this is a better chance to engage in the dialogue on a much needed topic.

It may come to pass that the idea of a 501c3 isn't something that this club should do, so there is that option as well.  I for one question whether or not we have enough plans in place to honestly do what needs to be done to maintain it.  We have the people, but we aren't as engaged as we need to be, and some stances recently have only confirmed that we may have great intentions to do so, but do we have the will, desire and execution to engage at the level that needs to be done as a 501c3?  Do we?

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Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: October 27, 2014, 03:15:16 PM »
I don't think that is jumping, I think that is playing the advocate of unfortunately cameras won't work.....unless you do this.... to me it pokes more fun at the cops than anything else.

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Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: October 27, 2014, 03:13:37 PM »
Can we pick a team, and then a captain?  I don't know how comfy I feel for a Missouri Resident that bleeds Blue and Red running a team that is Black and Gold..... ??? :P  That and he keeps on asking me to play Candy Crush...... ::)

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Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: October 27, 2014, 09:18:34 AM »
......I just don't appreciate my bathroom  reading enjoyment removed like it never happened.

I hate doing it as well, but I also dislike having PM's posted.....that is the last time I checked why they are you know Personal....kinda like your reading environment I am thinking as I type this..... ;D :o

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Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: October 24, 2014, 04:39:16 PM »
there are motion cameras in the park, unless we physically capture them dumping in the photo with a clear shot of their face, and their license to verify it can't be prosecuted.  The city is aware this is a MAJOR pain point, and are working with the prosecutor to see if we can change the limits.  There are many ideas that we have had, right now it appears closing the gates to make it a one way and only eastbound is going to win.  No one is really happy with this, but ultimately it is all about keeping it better.

I still think that education and enforcement are the only viable options to deter and help.

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Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: October 24, 2014, 09:02:04 AM »
I pulled it as I have MAJOR heartburns and frustrations with people that feel as though Private messages intended for them need to be fueled into the public comments.

Suffice it to say posting something threatening a course garnered 3 pages of forum fodder and some good conversation points in less than 24 hours over when a simple request seeking those that may want to know and how to help garnered nothing.

I get called bullying and everything else, I attempt to inform privately my intention for the thread and in turn it goes on here.

If I wanted to post something publicly, I think all of you are aware that I would......so it's ok.  The goal is truly about what the lack of membership is doing to support the courses we have and the continued improvement of the parks.

Apparently after 15 years of helping the disc golf scene, I am unaware of how to handle the situation and as such have been told so.

It got personal and then private messages being sent was really the last straw for me.

Bottom line, our club, organization needs to have a more focused and concentrated direction than we have in my opinion.  We aren't doing what needs to be done, and I am quite fearful that what I am seeing in another city could happen here.  If WE don't step up and honor our commitments to the cities parks that we promised we would, they should be pulling them.

I digress.  Really the goal here in this thread is quite simply as we move forward with the redesign and additional placements, I want to know who I can count on.  Obviously I can't count on those that feel it is someone's job to work the parks other than their self, and honestly I hope that they feel shame when they play.

MIKEDOPEN has been out to workdays at Cliff, many of you have.  Some of you have in the past and get this is a community project for our COMMUNITY, guess what most of the neighborhood residents don't use the parkdisc golf course, we do.  So asking the neighborhoods to help is one that we do, but met with low expectations.  My expectations are that we as an organization have able bodied individuals with a passion for our sport to help grow and develop trust within the communities to allow us to move into these new municipalities.  Apparently that only should happen if it is cleaned once and then left to others to maintain.

That isn't the case, and I am saddened by the notion of some that should be.

Suffice it to say I will continue to move forward in spite of those that feel this way.  We will have a great course and they should feel significant shame playing the course with the self entitlement component that they feel is ok.

I personally feel that is part of the societal problems.  You can type a mean game, but can you continue to strive to improve the quality of life you enjoy, or do you ignore it and say, well other people destroy it, so I won't help, let's let it go to crap.....which obviously some feel is ok.  I don't.  Many others don't and those are the people I am pleased to engage with and make a difference.  They get it, they understand it, and gosh darnit they care.  They care enough to act on it, and make a difference for all of us to enjoy, to many don't. 

I don't know why I get upset about people but I trust and hope that people will be genuine, they aren't in many cases, and try to hide behind facets of entitlement to help them sleep.  I only wonder at times how they really feel they impact our sport.

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Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: October 23, 2014, 04:58:45 PM »
Drew is a machine but his 3 boys will be keeping him more busy for certain, so we all need to help where we can.  Seeing activity is always a positive thing to me!

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Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: October 23, 2014, 02:32:43 PM »
I will let folks know as we move forward.  With the leaves going, this will be the time to make it happen much easier for certain!

I will post in here and on Face blather about the details on this.  It should be very exciting to say the least.

I appreciate it Mike!

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Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: October 23, 2014, 08:54:22 AM »
Thanks gain Doug!  You always step up.

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Tournaments / Re: Tournaments outside of KC/MO area.
« on: October 22, 2014, 11:27:08 AM »
We are very spoiled in the area.  We have also helped to facilitate others to enjoy that type of environment and watch as they "mirror" them accordingly and grow.

We are very spoiled in the area as a whole, and this expands to the Iowa areas as well.  Des Moines, CR, Quad Cities regionally all put on good events as well.

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Tournaments / Re: Paradise 54
« on: October 20, 2014, 12:05:34 PM »
heading to 54 in Vichy....sorry sounds fun up there

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