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it needs to replaced with native grasses and shrubs then.  Having the invasive plants hurts the ecological impact all the way.  Something to be said, you need to replace with proper vegetation when you remove if the covering is bare.

Beginners / Re: Discs for Kids
« on: Today at 11:00:01 AM »
Talk to the stores, DGW about putting an EDGE kit together would be ideal.  THey know what they are, and may be able to order it if you needed it.

RETURN THE MID NATIONALS TOURNEY.......RATINGS BASED EVENT.  This is EXACTLY the format that should be looked at Scott.  I played it, I marshaled it, it was one of the few things that the ratings worked on well in all honesty.  Levels based solely on ratings, not gender or age.  Considered a Major as well....

entire STUMP removal is better than TOrdon.  Years of experience have taught me this.  I have used it, and it will continue to grow, even if applied correctly.

If you want to learn how to remove it stumps and all, come on out to Cliff this weekend and watch, and then help and learn! ;D

General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« on: July 22, 2014, 04:31:27 PM »
I have a whole spreadsheet of this as well as the Pro's, and I have it broken down as well for a combined total and percentages of participants for the worlds.  Now I don't take out DNF's, I leave them in as well though...the interesting thing to me is that 2009 was the BIGGEST worlds until 2011 in Charlotte.  and this year provided that the pools stay at their current level will have the largest AM and Pro worlds since then.  KC actually had more AM's than Emporia last year in the 2009 worlds.  I do NOT count Jr's in the total in case you wonder how that happens.  Jr worlds, though important typically don't equate to more than one pool that needs to be monitored.  In some years it is separated away from the other worlds, recently it has been part of the Am's for the most part.  Not to diminish, but statistically you know its one pool.

Now as for the mapping of the worlds, you need to look at the trends.  A brief glance indicates that the MM1 pool large one year, the next year the MG1 tends to go up the next......except it has flattened and mirrored each other since Charlotte, so nowyou plan and map a pool for each division, where this year there are 145 in those divisions, last year there was 165, so Emporia chose to open more slots than Minnesota, but they have more attendees as they are looking at 530 in the AM field versus 476 last year in Emporia.  So there is 20 slots that didn't happen, and you can bet it was a decision to not have a different pool with multiple divisions. 

Each TD makes a call as to what makes the most sense to them and their staff.  Last year Lemon Lake had 47 Pro Masters, and 57 Grandmasters, in 2010, they had 62 Pro Masters and 57 Grand Masters, both were lower, Pros were as well.  So the mystic of a new location can also add to that.  If you enjoyed playing you may return, if you played it, you may go elsewhere this year to play a new adventure....

You work closely on determining pools at the onset, and your courses, your staff, and the ability to work it.  Des Moines did 3 sets of tee times in 2004, I did 2 in 2003, this all matters on staff and scheduling. 

It is a nightmare to look at over and over again, but ultimately you hope to balance what is fair, then what works, and what will be balanced in competition.

This year clearly the MM1 and MG1 got less than last year, and FAR LESS than Charlotte (216 there) so almost 25 % from Emporia, and 33% from this year.....but it does mirror almost all other locations that hosted a "AM WORLDS" only, as only those that ran the combined appear to be able to manipulate the system to more than what you are seeing now.....

General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« on: July 22, 2014, 02:31:36 PM »
Pro Mens % of the Pro Worlds Field since 2003
Flaggstaff   45%
Des Moines   46%
Allentown   43%
Augusta   42%
HighBridge   46%
K-Zoo   46%
KC   40%
Crown Pt.   44%
Santa Cruz   41%
Charlotte   37%
Crown Pt.   44%
Portland OR   37%
TOTAL    42%

Masters % of Pro Field since 2003
Flaggstaff   26%
Des Moines   26%
Allentown   20%
Augusta   20%
HighBridge   20%
K-Zoo   25%
KC   22%
Crown Pt.   20%
Santa Cruz   24%
Charlotte   25%
Crown Pt.   16%
Portland OR   18%
TOTAL    22%

% of Pro Grand Masters since 2003
Flaggstaff   15%
Des Moines   11%
Allentown   19%
Augusta   18%
HighBridge   13%
K-Zoo   12%
KC   17%
Crown Pt.   19%
Santa Cruz   16%
Charlotte   17%
Crown Pt.   19%
Portland OR   18%
TOTAL    16%

% of Pro Women making up the Pro Worlds Field since 2003
Flaggstaff   7%
Des Moines   8%
Allentown   8%
Augusta   8%
HighBridge   9%
K-Zoo   7%
KC   6%
Crown Pt.   6%
Santa Cruz   8%
Charlotte   8%
Crown Pt.   8%
Portland OR   10%
TOTAL    8%
Interestingly this is the first year above 40 (at 40) and the first year they represent double digits on the spectrum.....

Then there is the Sylvia Voakes rule.....she seems to be a 1 person division when playing......odd....almost as odd as the Advanced Legends division.....what are you really waiting for at that point?

General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« on: July 22, 2014, 01:01:04 PM »
up 9% this year on the field.  The biggest notice to me is the lack of any movement b the womens division at all....

General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« on: July 22, 2014, 12:59:36 PM »
% of Adv Women in the Worlds field since 2003
KC   8%
Des Moines   7%
Flagstaff   8%
Tulsa   5%
Milwaukee   7%
K-Zoo   7%
KC   7%
Marion OH   5%
Rochester NY   5%
Charlotte   7%
Emporia   6%
St. Paul   6%

General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« on: July 22, 2014, 12:58:59 PM »
% of Adv Grand Masters in the Field since 2003 in Am Worlds
KC   7%
Des Moines   8%
Flagstaff   13%
Tulsa   10%
Milwaukee   12%
K-Zoo   14%
KC   13%
Marion OH   18%
Rochester NY   17%
Charlotte   18%
Emporia   17%
St. Paul   14%

General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« on: July 22, 2014, 12:58:15 PM »
Percentage of Adv Masters in Field for worlds since 2003
KC   25%
Des Moines   24%
Flagstaff   22%
Tulsa   28%
Milwaukee   19%
K-Zoo   17%
KC   21%
Marion OH   21%
Rochester NY   19%
Charlotte   18%
Emporia   17%
St. Paul   14%

General Banter / Re: AM Worlds Query.....and possibly Pro.....
« on: July 22, 2014, 12:55:16 PM »
Location   Advance men % of field in the past worlds since 2003
KC   56%
Des Moines   56%
Flagstaff   50%
Tulsa   51%
Milwaukee   55%
K-Zoo   54%
KC   52%
Marion OH   46%
Rochester NY   48%
Charlotte   47%
Emporia   45%
St. Paul   54%

Cliff Drive / Re: Cliff Drive Workday Saturday July 26th-9am-2pm
« on: July 22, 2014, 09:00:44 AM »
Here is the list of the work that needs to be done.  It is a COMPREHENSIVE LIST, so please don't think that we will be getting all of this done, but we shall try right?

Hole #1-weed eat, and trash clean up
New holes #1 and #2-remove Honeysuckle, clear out ravine of cut limbs from last weekend, complete trail, and continue to work on teeing area on #2 and expansion on the first green area.  This will require most of the work.
Hole #2-Mow the grass, clean up around green on the long placement.
Hole #3-weed eat around the side of the hill, weed eat around the pin placement, and expose the rock removing at the roots if possible the honeysuckle.  Work with P&R on getting the downed tree removed from the teeing area.
Hole #4-mow the fairway, and the side of the hill on the short placement
Hole #5-mow the front fairway, and the top green areas, and remove the downed Paw-paw trees
Hole #6-mow the fairway, and remove the downed tree.  That can be placed behind the basket down the ravine as we fill that with debris for better erosion control.
Clear better swath out of the woods towards #7 pad
Hole #7-work with P&R at removing the downed tree, clear the hillside, and the back pin placements for the Mini Golf clearing the rock all the way up to #8 tee where....
Hole #8 and the stage area all the way cleared out and expose the rock, clean up around the long pin, and go deeper into the woods between the stage and the long pin for the LDO.

That is all for now that is high on the list, we can worry about the other new holes after we get the new ones done.



Cliff Drive / Re: Cliff Drive League 7/21/14
« on: July 22, 2014, 08:46:03 AM »
I left my spreadsheet in another car.....I am going to try to remember who did what....but as was professed to me last night.....CD won CD....

Peter Burress-56=$3

Am Side

Bill Shinoski-61=$8 KcKash
Ryan Westa-67=$4 KcKash

I will correct and update after I get the information sent off to me and then update on the PDGA site as well.  I hope to get that information sent over some time this morning and should have it ready for you this afternoon as well as a full write up.  Par was 58 as we played #8 long in addition this week to #1, #13, and #17 as the par 4's.  No Ace was hit, and things are moving shorter and shorter as we head into LDO territory.....

General Banter / Re: Return of the Tech Team
« on: July 22, 2014, 08:40:17 AM »
As master of the run on I appreciate that, but a few of the proper word selection the last few posts gave me more grey hare....

Cliff Drive / Re: Cliff Drive Workday Saturday July 26th-9am-2pm
« on: July 21, 2014, 11:29:00 AM »
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This Saturday, the Cliff Drive Corridor Management Committee, Earth Riders Trails Association, Kansas City Flying Disc Club, Keeping Kansas City Beautiful, and Bridging The Gap will be hosting a community park workday. We'll have numerous things people can help with, but will mainly be focusing on trash cleanup along the trails and honeysuckle eradication around the disc golf course. I hope you can join us!
Details here:

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