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General Banter / Re: New Course Potential in Prairie Village
« on: June 18, 2013, 11:28:58 AM »
How Awesome, a huge thank you to Mike Petin and Ben Crosby!  They managed to get courses ready for the KCWO, run the course and get Prairie Village approval all in the same week. 

Last night the Prairie Village City Council approved funding for a nine hole course in Harmon Park to be installed in 2014.  Thank you Mike Petrin and PV Parks and Rec.

That is some good stuff right there.  Your BoD hard at work making events happen and places to play for you all!

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General Banter / Re: Rosedale update
« on: June 18, 2013, 11:27:54 AM »
I can let you know about the reason for leaving the park unattended is that it wasn't safe, 911 was called, and we worked towards notifying players as best we could of the cancellation of the event from a live power wire downed.

Water and electricity don't mix, as such I personally wouldn't want (didn't want) anyone out and around the area.  the notion of staying up around the downed power wire until someone came out wasn't an option in my mind.

I knew that 911 had been called.  Upon allowing a few hours to pass, I asked it to be looked at again, found that it was still "down" called BPU and left messages alerting them to the danger of it.

My statements are all that we can do in an environment where we are not the professionals that handle the situations, nor should we send anyone in harms way to mark a safe zone without permission or expertise in that field to ensure their safety.  I am uncertain if the electrical current in the wet grass would have harmed anyone, so chose not to take a chance, but leave that information in the hands of the resources we could identify.

This is a horrible loss, and tragic tale of a loss that could of been prevented in my opinion, and I am having a hard time with not second guessing myself in this as well.  Uncertain what else I could have done at the time, I can only think of things that I might have done knowing this horrible outcome could happen.  Sad, and hurt over it all.

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Noted: jack knew the threat and delayed the call. Got it.

Perfect in your mind now, we all agree on that as well! ;D

Thanks Tall Guy!

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please do sir loomis, we knew it was coming, thus preparing to make the call, just didn't do it when you wanted us to is what I think we all agree on.

As for CD, and Eric Eastwood, Minna, we have a lot of local talent that did great out there on the courses this past weekend.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Mighty Mo - June 23, 2013
« on: June 18, 2013, 11:06:48 AM »
do it, or play it!

Cliff Drive Set up accordingly
1-Practice Basket (3)
2-Long (3)
3-Only (3)
4-Rocks (3)
5-Short (3)
6-Right (Original) (3)
7-Long (4)
8-Long (4)
9-Only (3)
10-Long (Will put up Banners to help prevent Becketting on green) (4)
11-Long (3)
12-Only (Drop Zone if not in on Drive, regular OB after DZ) (3)
13-Long (4)
14-Short (3)
15-Right (Under Tree) (3)
16-Long (By Water Fountain) (3)
17-Island (Need to paint OB and Drop Zone) (4)
18-Practice Basket (placement after 2nd tree) (4)
Par 60


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When and where is the volunteer party? If I'm available I'd love to come out and help.

Will be working on a date.  THey had all the local players in Santa Cruz come and cook food, spot, and caddy for all the volunteers at Worlds there in 2011, and I thought that was a super cool idea.  I will be sure to share accordingly with folks about it once a decision is made.  I think that Crazy even hit an ace at that thing.....

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Decades of volunteering, right call/ wrong call, who has said what regarding the call... It doesn't change the fact that the call was wrong and you stand by it. I disagree with you. That's it. We'll see if this moment changes the rule regarding weather for future evets.....
Again this is your opinion Loomis, only you feel it was wrong.  I stand by the fact that the call made was correct and done in consultation with many individuals monitoring the weather closely.  Were you watching your phone or playing the round?  My goal as TD is to ensure that things go as planned and safety is a concern.  Pulling people off the course when YOU felt like it wasn't my concern.  My concern is the safety of everyone and the decision was made in a timely fashion to minimize distraction from the event and allow safety to be maintained.  That was achieved.

You don't like it, you made it clear.  Fortunately though your opinion on this matter though obviously notated had no impact on the decisions of others that were in charge to make the decision.  I get you don't like it, but having played in an event just three weeks ago where play should have been suspended I understood there is a line, you play in foul weather, it happens, you don't play in unsafe weather, that is what we did.  We allowed play in foul weather, and pulled players in unsafe weather.  Your definition wasn't consulted and I apologize for that.  I used the modern thing that I am typing on to gather the information and worked with Kevin at making an informed decision as to when.  Maybe a few minutes could have been done earlier, but the notion of 30-35 minutes earlier is just silly.

Again I will hide it in a big thank you to all that helped, like it or not Loomis, over a 100 people helped to make this event work for you to play, and if you don't like the decisions the step up and run the event and make the decisions next time, and then listen to people that are single sided with conversational points that they see as the only way it should be done.

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Every player I talked to seem to love the courses and the event. Nate Doss commmented to Kristie and me about how much he and other pro players enjoyed the schedule and playing the core courses of KC> He also mentioned it wouldn't be bad to skip Rosie to play Cliff in the future, after redesign.

We had a great showof community in the form of volunteers and I hope you can all make it to the volunteer party TBA.

Played Cliff last night, it was in beautiful shape.  Moved it to the Mighty Mo Settings.

Cooper, tee-times not directed at you per se, you mentioned it.  Best events don't equate tee-times again I agree with the sentiment that it is an opinion.  If we had more volunteers to help with the event tee-times would be a better option, but we don't people don't all show up to help, many have other items they would rather do fact of live unfortunately.  If we could pay our volunteers it would be better, our sport doesn't support it, and not enough in our community of local disc golfers go out to get sponsors to help to make this a reality. 

Loomis, my call, and it was the right call, as for you and several other cards comment, spot wrong bud you are the only person that has said anything to me that I am aware of (or Kevin for that matter) so we upset you, I can live with that.  Kevin has SEVERAL years of running and helping run events, he made the call as he sees fit, and he is an exceptional volunteer of DECADES of work to the club and thousands of hours, and I trust and believe his decisions over your opinion in this instance.  Sorry YOU don't like it Loomis, it was not your call to make, and your rhetoric to the notion that it was not a wise decision is only your opinion.  Those that volunteered to make it happen thank you, for all the work that went in, please don't let this one sour note ruin another wise wonderful weekend of disc golf.

I know that this is only a couple of items that we are discussing about the event, and overall most are happy with how things developed over the course of the weekend, some mistakes were made, but overall those pale in event as a whole.  It took an entire community of disc golfers (even you and Cooper, Loomis) and I thank you all for the work leading up to the event, during the event, and the continuation of cleaning up the courses and resetting Swope for us to enjoy.

Our courses always look great this time of year, and there are hundred if not thousands of disc golfers in the area that are unaware of our efforts as a collective group to improve disc golf for the players from all over the world.  I think that a thank you is never enough, and as such I know that a volunteer party is being planned.  One item I would like all of you players to think about, is possibly coming out and spotting and caddying for the volunteer party, your way of thanking all of the people that put out their time to make your event work.  It would be nice to see some of that type of behavior from the players in the event locally if you can.  Just food for thought out here.

These are small issues, and shouldn't even really be discussed as everything was followed to the tee of the rules, and the communication was delivered.  It is sad you choose this topic to berate on a great guy for the club, and an event that many enjoyed.

Again thanks to all that played, helped, watched, or followed, it was a fun ride!

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Swope / Re: Swope League 2013
« on: June 18, 2013, 09:23:37 AM »
Thank you guys for helping.  I know it is a mess, the P&R were shut out of their parking area for over 2 weeks, and we needed to pull baskets to give them back their space.  I have a prior commitment today and will not be able to help as I had planned on moving the baskets back to their locations.  Feel free to slap me the next time you see me in regards to the notion of messing with the best "gulley golf" in KC.

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Only a few instances of the Caddy Book were off, and that was from the information that was given to me by the person that did it.  I didn't do my due diligence in double checking all the information as I normally do because it was done by a third party this year in an effort to make it look better.  Since I am not running the event it will not be an issue next year for me.

THe weather is the weather.  You don't pull people off a course because there is a storm in the area 35 minutes away.  Kevin and I were in communication as I was with all the Course Directors about the timing of pulling people off.  Did we wait to long and some people got wet, sure, but the immediate threat that seems to be a topic in here wasn't the case.  Seeing lightning 20-30 miles away and having the technology to view it on the phones now adays makes the lightning detectors not as needed as some are implying here.  The PDGA used to have them and with the advent of the phones and the technology it is easy to identify patterns.

Too many times in our area it rains in Olathe and doesn't at WW, the same is made of Swope to Rosedale.  THe weather shifts, we were watching it, and when it looked to be as though that it was going to be passing over the areas affected, play was called.  Simple as that.  THe fact that it was discussed, "oh it's coming" as Loomis indicated, so what, it is coming, that doesn't mean pull them off right then, you pull them off when it becomes unsafe which is what happened.

AS for tee times, I will say it again and this really @#)(*&(*@#&(*_#W& irritates me, had you attended the players meeting you would have known this.....tee times would have happened if there were enough players to support it.  There was a plan in place to make it happen, but I am not asking my all volunteer staff to sit outside in the hot sun an extra 5 hours so you can play on a tee time.  Had we had people to be there to make it happen plans were in place to have that happen in the NT division.  Tee-times don't make an event, so get over yourself in thinking that, an event is made by the players and the mindset and attitudes that they bring.

THose of you that complained about tee times on the NT, the only thing that I really can say is that with tee times, the event wouldn't have finished and we would have quite possibly had to suspend play until Sunday at Blue Valley.  I for one was glad that tee times didn't happen exactly for reasons like this weekend.  Someone playing at 10am, was having less weather than a 1 pm start for absolute certain.

Run large events sometimes and you will see that it isn't about you and your desires, it is about the other 308 players out there and ensuring a fair format that works for everyone to have a balanced chance at competition.

Overall some mistakes were made, the stupid Drop Zones at Swope I am still hating that I caved.  A caddy book is off a few places on distances and one line with a map.......you didn't get tee times, I can live with all of these errors.  Next time you want to do something your way, step up and run the event.  That is the only way you will ever get your way.

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General Banter / Re: Rosedale update
« on: June 18, 2013, 08:54:16 AM »
Where are the park hours posted?

That may be the kicker. Only reason I'm aware of the hours is because we were wrapping up a glow round out there at 2am a few years ago, and a cop told us the park was closed and we had to leave.

I believe it's posted on the board by the skatepark.

The hours of most parks are usually sun up to sun down. And one of the possible conclusions to this event could be the installation of a gate by the city.

Water Works Park closes at 10 or 11 I'm pretty sure.

Correct about Rosedale, incorrect about WW, you just can't park there based on the signage after certain hours.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Midwest Amateur Championships
« on: June 17, 2013, 03:25:31 PM »
But, lest this thread drift further I would like to propose/encourage my fellow competitors who aren't eligible for this to help out in any way. Whether spotting, helping set up, marshaling, filling water jugs, etc... I wish I were going to still be in the area to see this thing get off the ground but alas, I'll be moved by then.

Even if only for one round, or to help prep these are crucial to any good event.  A lot of work gets done prior to the event.  The event happens and the event continues for those running it after the scoring is done.  Spot on with this need for certain in any event, non-sanctioned, C=Tier, B-Tier, A-Tier, NT, it takes everyone to help make an event excel!

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Midwest Amateur Championships - August 3rd
« on: June 17, 2013, 02:09:19 PM »
actions and support go way farther than words in a forum in my mind. 8)  Blather all they want, and they know who they are, ultimately it takes time away from the keyboard to impress me.

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Tournaments / Re: 2013 Mighty Mo - June 23, 2013
« on: June 17, 2013, 10:58:24 AM »
Please ad me
MM1 15316

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I am working on the scores folks for the Adv Div.  Please give me some time I hope to have them up today.  I apologize for the delay.

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