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General Banter / Help with a few events in January
« on: November 18, 2014, 02:18:33 PM »
I am in need of a few volunteers at the following courses, or at least interest in helping with something that I am thinking about, if you are interested in helping out during the following weekends on the following courses, please let me know:

Blue Springs
Lees Summit
Shawnee Mission

January 10/11 and 17/18 of 2015.


General Banter / Non-Disc golf-Poker tourney (Buy-In) Dec 6th
« on: November 18, 2014, 01:06:52 PM »
limited to 30 people, $100 buy in, starting at ~5:00 PM Payout will be-$1500-1st, $800-2nd, $400-3rd, $200-4th and money back for 5th.

If interested PM me, after you are out, probably side games will happen as well. 

Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: November 18, 2014, 10:02:15 AM »
benches and trash cans are a no go.  I want ROCKS, and pack in what you pack out, but some placement on cans along the roads for the P&R to get would be ideal.

Tournaments / Re: 2015 Ice Bowl
« on: November 17, 2014, 10:17:32 AM »
That puts it the weekend of January 24th and 25th 2015.

Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: November 13, 2014, 02:05:12 PM »
Met with P&R and a few others.  We will be losing only hole #7 in the SHORT pin.  We will now though have the rocks that line the fairway between the road as OB, and will work towards a new placement of the teeing area to align better with the hole design and thwart the trail riders from getting hit from an errant disc.  We will also be looking to plant trees along the road as well to help protect the riders.

Probably look at re-tooling the pad on #3 as well since it needs to be replaced, may move it back a touch.

The other items will be additional holes to make this close to a 24 hole configuration moving forward that will also enable a 18 hole footprint for leagues and should make for a wonderful time.

The east course will go on the back burner until the new trails are solidified and we will work on a design that will enable us to co exist with no fear of of injury on the riders through the course.  Good things moving forward.

Cliff Drive / Re: another reason to love trees at cliff
« on: November 11, 2014, 02:12:02 PM »
wow, I must have gotten home to late, because I didn't see it that way when I drove by there.

Cliff Drive / Re: another reason to love trees at cliff
« on: November 10, 2014, 05:42:35 PM »

General Banter / Re: The 'Official' ACE Thread!
« on: November 05, 2014, 08:58:31 AM »
Jared plays disc golf still? ???
966 rated

It was a joke.  He would drive here for the City of Fountains knowing he would play Blue Valley and Cliff, but stop at Birdland, and then go play Waterworks before he left town.  He is freaking crazy!


General Banter / Re: The 'Official' ACE Thread!
« on: November 04, 2014, 02:35:15 PM »
Jared plays disc golf still? ???

General Banter / Re: November 15th Club Elections/ Voting Item
« on: November 03, 2014, 08:47:47 AM »
my goal wasn't to kill this topic, but hopefully grab and garner more conversation.  I think that it would be foolish to wait until the night of the election (I won't be there) to have a discussion about this very controversial topic that should affect us as a club for many years to come.  We are fast approaching a new generation of disc golfers, which by my account would be either the third or fourth generation of membership honestly.

Though we have many of the first generation still supporting at in some instances still helping (Rick) the club, where will the direction go moving forward?  Whose turn is it to step up?  What do you feel the club needs to do to be moving in the direction you feel is best?

Tournaments?  More community partnerships?  More schools/sessions of training?  More courses?  Less courses?  More charity events, less competitive events?  More leagues, less leagues?  More partnerships with parks and recreation doing the work?

So many things folks, and this vote on the above is of utmost importance on many guiding directions moving forward.

Or quite simply, do you just join the club to support those that have the ideas and passion to move it forward and trust them?  (Which is completely fine BTW)  Ultimately though this will shape the direction of the club for some time in the future, and no comments concerns me, maybe I am over concerned about too much, (and I get that I am in many instances) and really we shouldn't be thinking of disc golf as a true value added partnership to the community and sporting activity in general, and whatever happens as long as we can play disc somewhere its all good?

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: October 30, 2014, 03:08:37 PM »
now this is getting interesting...... ;D

So we have to decide a captain.  How many East Siders want to play, lets start there and then have a meeting to discuss how we return the championship to the original owner and whom should lead us to the right path of victory.

Cliff Drive / Re: Expansion-Interested in helping
« on: October 29, 2014, 08:51:47 AM »
I figured Mike was calling himself a troll in this case as well.....since he averages.0005 posts per day.....

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:49:17 PM »
wait what?  That wasn't where that was going.....

Tournaments / Lion's Den August 22nd 2015-Tree Love Classic August 23rd
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:48:29 PM »
Be prepared, be warned, play hungover on Sunday.

General Banter / Re: November 15th Club Elections/ Voting Item
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:34:56 PM »
AS one of the proponents for the 501c3 (back in 2004 I actually asked why we weren't and started to investigate it then) we looked into many different options and what made the most sense.  I met with our attorney who was crafting the documentation to send off to the IRS back in 2010, I think, and as such his indication was that is better to have it in the by-laws to thwart the notion of the available voting decisions to appear to be biased towards an individual or company to profit from the organizations model.

At that time we only had 1 disc golf company in the community, Disc Golf World.

For many of you in this forum you may not know the pains that Rick has done for the club over the years to prevent its collapse.  He has single-handedly kep this club afloat through many a storm to be where we are today.  He took the leadership after the 2009 worlds and our payments of over $20k and managed them to -0- balance.  He has ran events and kept the KCFDC moving forward with his inspirational magazine articles about our great city for decades to enamor people with our courses.  There is a reason that many outside of Kansas City always wanted to play here, quite simply Disc Golf World News took a keen interest in his back yard at enticement for the event.

We now have another disc golf company in the area.  That company is a different model in that they are engaged in a model that clearly works with the competitive component of the sport, almost exclusively.  That is a different model from Disc Golf World in my own mind in that Rick's has tended to be in regards to the community of disc golfers and the casual player informing them.  Both are needed in the growing disc golf market so that is super cool, we have that option to look at.

However from my own standpoint a better more attractive methodology would be to enable those that align themselves with the store they represent be a voting board member but not a position holding member of the BoD.  I think that both should have membership to the board to help ensure that their interests are heard and that they are informed of the direction of the club in order to help their business.

But the issue then stems from what would be considered alliance and what is considered 51%.  I think of Pete on this.  I love Pete to death and think the world of him, but is it fair for someone like Pete to be on the board who clearly doesn't make 51% in disc golf (family business is way better to him than disc golf is.....) and then leave someone like Rick off the board because of a monetary component?  That to me is a much stronger issue for removal of the wording, and then hoping (I cringe thinking that out loud, I hate hoping) that the BoD does the best job moving forward in terms of the way that it conducts it's business.

This isn't something to be taken lightly.  Having the 501c3 would enable us to write out checks to the club to be tax deductible, for us, for our employers, and our sponsors.  This is something that I worked on tirelessly for years only to be met with accounting from us that wouldn't pass the test.

We are close to being at a point where that is resolved, as such we need to ensure that we are able to move forward, not lose our designation, nor give an impression of improper accounting or favoritism within BoD and the club.

Highly controversial, yes, open to discussion, absolutely.  Realizing that this has been in the works for about 7 years now is something that I am uncertain many are aware of.  This was something that I wanted done when I left the BoD I thought that we had all the ducks in a row to make it happen, only to find out we didn't.  We are now closer, and I for one didn't like the removal of the verbiage a few years back, but I trust the BoD to make the right call.

If the attorney representing us is ok with the removal of the wording then it should be.  If they aren't, then we need to address how to make it fair and equitable to both of our community businesses that support the club to be right for them both.

This is a critical step at helping us become a bigger player.  Most importantly with this what is board going to do in the direction of the club once approved?  What visions do the current board have for the model of the club, what is the future plans for the club as one, and what plans will be made to entrust that we don't lose this status as other clubs have.  The loss of the 501c3 has hurt a few clubs, so what safeguards are in place to ensure that we are compliant now, moving forward next year, and most importantly beyond.

This isn't something that can only be discussed during the meeting, this needs to be discussed in advanced as well.  If we wait until the meeting alone, this will take hours to define and engage the proper dialogue.  So this is a better chance to engage in the dialogue on a much needed topic.

It may come to pass that the idea of a 501c3 isn't something that this club should do, so there is that option as well.  I for one question whether or not we have enough plans in place to honestly do what needs to be done to maintain it.  We have the people, but we aren't as engaged as we need to be, and some stances recently have only confirmed that we may have great intentions to do so, but do we have the will, desire and execution to engage at the level that needs to be done as a 501c3?  Do we?

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