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Water Works / Re: 04/01/2010 Water Works Mini
« on: April 07, 2010, 12:23:23 PM »
kcfo, we were the ghost card on 1 and had 3 groups in front of us.

Then that practice needs to stop when you have 50 people for league, you can't cater to everyone, some of you have to start walking the hills early.  Not saying its your fault at all Leo, but its something needs to be looked at for league play.  You can't have 3 cards tee off from 1 with that many people.  Especially when you have people starting on 16 they will catch you, it makes no sense, and in this case, I may give Ryan a pass.

With that many people you must start on a different hole for everyone.  People at WW, don't wanna start on 16 to run into people a few holes into the night.

Point taken Jack. Won't happen again! I didn't double up at all two weeks ago and on one only last week, I know I didn't put three cards there though. Peeps will just have to get used to walking. Some us need the exercise anyhow...

Ahem.....point taken, I'll start walking! ;D

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Cliff Drive / Re: 4/5/10 League Mini
« on: April 07, 2010, 12:17:26 PM »
Is Cliff the windiest course in KC?  WYCO might be close.  At least half of the holes at Cliff you get some wind block.

From the trial runs we have had on Smithville...I can tell you for a fact that we will have some wind to contend with...even on calm days.

Nothing like looking down the mouth of the 950' plus beast with water on one side, OB on the other and killer wind in your face.

Luckily, if that scares you too much, you can always step over to the next less scary course!

Dan  :o :o :o

The question was is it the windiest in town......Smithville is not even a course yet......so its right out.

I personally think that WyCo has more wind, and I have played WyCo in far windier conditions than Cliff was in on Monday.

Cliff does get its fair share, as it sits in about the highest point in the city on the south side of the river, and then drops off quickly to the river.

By the same tokken though, BLue Valley gets its fair share as it is another spot that is high elevation on the way to the river.....

Played some fiercely windy rounds out there as well.

Bottom line, those silly little lakes in Smithville may create a little wind, but Tornadoes pass over the other courses, and my thought is that is the most wind we shall see....

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Prairie Center / Re: 04-05-10 MINI
« on: April 07, 2010, 09:21:04 AM »
spoken like a bitter KU fan.......at least a team in blue won huh?

Lets see....thats 4 titles for Duke in the last 20 years....how many for KU?  8 Chances for them.....how many for KU?

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General Banter / Re: Should we pay to have professional disc golfers?
« on: April 07, 2010, 09:18:03 AM »
Jack, do you think it would be reasonable for the PDGA just to run events and promoting disc golf to the general public, and for a "players union" type organization represents the Pro players and their interests, work on fund raising, etc?  I tried to make a point like this on the PDGA board at some point last year, but it fell on deaf ears.

I think that you are missing one huge point.  The PDGA is only its members.  Its not a large organization ran on the funding of the members, it is the members.  That is why you can not say, why doesn't the PDGA do this or that.  THe bottom line, I am the PDGA, you are the PDGA, so only if you do these things, will they happen.

in regards to the low am payin-payout, it makes sense if people will pay.  In KC we have historically given out more on the players pack than in the payout to am's, so that everyone leaves with some good schwag to take home.  Some people like it, others think its silly.

I for one, as an AM THAT DOES NOT WIN, enjoy getting something for my $50 in an advanced field.  Now by the same token, I think that the $75 am entries are just to Freaking high.  I think that as an am entry should never exceed $50 for the event (Pdga fees, local fees, and ace funds can go above this, but base pay should not exceed $50).  I also think that the PDGA should offer Am memberships to events that have over 25 in the field in that division, it should be deducted from the payout, but shuold be a donation for A-Tiers and above.

So having plastic as prizes is a good thing in my mind, but overloading it to be only performance based in the amatuer ranks is a bad thing in my mind.

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General Banter / Re: Should we pay to have professional disc golfers?
« on: April 06, 2010, 02:32:50 PM »
If they want to start a private club of Professionals and earn gold jackets, they might first address their conduct.   Some of our current professionals carry on like infants in the public eye (just ask anyone watching the final round at the Memorial).    

Excellent point.  You want to get paid like a professional, start acting like one first.  There are some fine examples of professional disc golfers, that do behave well, but like any sport there are good and worthless people.....

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General Banter / Re: Should we pay to have professional disc golfers?
« on: April 06, 2010, 10:41:33 AM »
Careful there, that was my next point...... ;D

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General Banter / Re: another win
« on: April 05, 2010, 04:47:37 PM »
I guess thats your way of admitting I'm right. Thanks for agreeing.

I think that's his way of saying quit your whining.

Thanks for spelling that out to him.....

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General Banter / Re: Should we pay to have professional disc golfers?
« on: April 05, 2010, 04:45:14 PM »
I enjoy watching the pros but if I had to pay more for them to be able to play more I would be against it. Because then I would have to play less just to afford it. ......So if a pro wants to make more, it should be up to the pdga getting sponsorships as well as the pro marketing his or herself to potential sponsors.

Ok, so the PDGA is a body of about 5 office staff, and paid volunteers.  How do you get them to work on this?

Would it be too much to ask each player to pony up say $3 to a pro fund?  Then the PDGA fees would essentially double based on the event, or is it solely up to the player to drive this result?

last time I checked, LeBron (insert any athlete there) didn't go out and get his sponsors, they came to him and his entertainment group to offer money for his naming rights.

We are not there, so therfore we already subsidize to a point even from a manufacturers sponsored players (we buy their plastic, they make money, they sponsor the players that they want), do we go the next step and offer to help prop up our sport in the hopes of other sponsors willing to take the risk on our sport by subsidizing the players initially?

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Water Works / Re: 04/01/2010 Water Works Mini
« on: April 05, 2010, 03:33:46 PM »
kcfo, we were the ghost card on 1 and had 3 groups in front of us.

Then that practice needs to stop when you have 50 people for league, you can't cater to everyone, some of you have to start walking the hills early.  Not saying its your fault at all Leo, but its something needs to be looked at for league play.  You can't have 3 cards tee off from 1 with that many people.  Especially when you have people starting on 16 they will catch you, it makes no sense, and in this case, I may give Ryan a pass.

With that many people you must start on a different hole for everyone.  People at WW, don't wanna start on 16 to run into people a few holes into the night.

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General Banter / Re: Should we pay to have professional disc golfers?
« on: April 05, 2010, 03:23:17 PM »
The question in my mind is shuold we pay to have professional disc golfers.  We do so now, they are not paid enough in sponsorship dollars to make a decent living, yet we are constantly playing with our own little community money (entry fees mostly).

So if we have already agreed to fees, do we need to increase our fee structure to pay for people to truly get paid and be a "professional disc golfer".  Does it come with an additional entry fee attached to tournaments?  Is it in a Pro/Am charity event before tournaments?  Do we say screw it, its a recreational game only?

The questions are weak intentionally to create discussion.  I am not looking for a finite answer, I am looking for what our local community thinks about the pro player, and how do we doa  better job of financing their livelihood in order for us to have more of them, or should we quit worrying about this notion of players getting paid to do a sport?  (it seems to work in other sports though)  Do we charge admission to events?  Do we just go with fund raising events/. (Fuzzy pony raised $2000, what if that was a disc golf fund raiser event for the event only, 50 people, average $40 extra, would that EVER happen at a tournament, that said, lets see where we end up over the event?)

So let the conversation start, which it has, and go with where YOU FEEL the question is, not whats the meaning of the question, the question is truly, whats the meaning of your answer.....

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General Banter / Re: New course at 165th and Antioch?
« on: April 05, 2010, 03:12:41 PM »
COurse is closed to public play during school.

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General Banter / Should we pay to have professional disc golfers?
« on: April 05, 2010, 10:40:00 AM »
So the question comes, should we have professional disc golfers?

Post your own reasoning as to why you cast your vote.  I am curious about this to say the least....

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Smithville / Re: Pay to Park
« on: April 05, 2010, 10:37:08 AM »
at that rate ($1250 for the NT) if Kenny played 46 events, he would make over $50k this year, and be in an ok financial shape, but as the top rated player on the planet over the last 15 years, it pales in comparison to what other pro athletes make.

There is a decision, and its coming soon Mike, do we pay to have professional disc golfers or not?

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General Banter / Re: New course at 165th and Antioch?
« on: April 05, 2010, 10:21:45 AM »
Anybody know if you're allowed to play this course while school is in session or do you have to wait till school is out to play it?

AS with all schools that have courses I would imagine that ask that you refrain from playing while school is in session.  I have never heard of a school that allowed it, its just too distracting to the students, and that location in particular has ages from 5-18, so....its busy, best bet is to play on the weekends, or after 4(traffic)

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General Banter / Re: New course at 165th and Antioch?
« on: April 02, 2010, 04:48:26 PM »
I've worked with Andrew out there to develop this, he is in charge of the maintenance of the park.  I think the location is ideal, you have all ages out there.

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