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Cliff Drive / Re: Cliff Drive Summer League Starts March 15th - ReDo
« on: March 15, 2010, 03:26:44 PM »
No need to lock it up for one round Dick, but thanks for the concern!

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 15, 2010, 12:58:05 PM »
Uh, quoting the following, "This course needs more people to play it, and this course needs more love.  I am in the process of creating another course within the park..."

So if we don't have enough playing in the first place, why create a 2nd one?

The issue is that we have made a huge difference, and we will continue to make a difference, and as we get more people out there, it will evolve.

Secondly, because I was asked to do so by the neighborhood association and some state representatives as the work we have done has not gone unnoticed.

Thirdly, because I am selfish, and I don't wanna go anywhere except places I can walk to play disc golf, and I have the energy, the know-how, and the moxy to make it happen in my backyard, so I am doing it.

Fourthly, because when this course is done, people will want to play this course over and over again, just like Cliff Drive.....WEST....

 ;D ;D ;D

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 15, 2010, 10:31:49 AM »
When our city responds to 311 calls you are correct, but until that time 911 is the number to call.

They will then issue the appropriate level of response.

Unless you are on the 911 switchboard and know something that the rest of us don't......

Is that your new job?

911 calls are needed to then also show the concern on the city reports and how many people are truly affecting the park, otherwise, if no one calls, they think there is no problem.

Dammit Mike, I've been at this and other parks for over a decade now, I know a little about what I say....
 ;D ;D

I agree about the calls to 911, and when my house was broken into the 2nd time in one day, and the alarm company called the police and it took over 2 hours to show up, it pisst me off.

Other ideas to run our cities appropriately?  Hire more managable staf to run the city services, and maybe we wouldnt even haev this conversation, but wait....that would require staff to pay which we have no money to pay because we give Tiff breaks on so many items.......thats another issue though for another post.

Another option if you are open to Keizer's line is to call Central Patrol Police Dispatch at (816) 234-5510......that may help out!

General Banter / Re: blue valley options
« on: March 15, 2010, 09:57:31 AM »
As the person that wrote the grant to get the additional funding let me state what I stated in the grant:

$25,000-to finish the existing disc golf course at Blue Valley.
--This would use those funds available to install the alternate teeing areas for the original course, bring in some trees, and shrubberies where appropriate as the people see fit. (Dan and Jim)

$50,000-To install a "red course-Red baskets, red tees" within the Eastern or Western half of the park.  Using some of the same terrain and land, but adding to the park a course that is more manageable within the scope of most people for casual golf.  It will still feature tough challenges and utilize parts of the park that are not being used, and some that are.

$50,000-to install a "blue course-Blue Baskets, blue tees" within the Western or eastern half of the park.....blah blah blah..

What I want to do is to essentially have 4 courses within the park, at any time you could be running 2 courses.  Red-Blu, Silver/Gold-executive.

We should call the big course Silver, because the baskets will be silver, and then if we end up with other color see where this is going.

You could also casually be able to have players on all 4 courses and increase participation for the courses/park to improve the quality.

I am not sure where this stands currently, as I have not heard from the funding group about it, but rest assured-

Blue Valley is NOT being reconfigured.  It is NOT being pulled out.  It is NOT being taken away and dummied down!

IT IS BEING LOOKED AT TO IMPROVE and utilize the land that is not being used, and incorporate the existing land to make it a huge showcase if approved.

Folks should realize that even though we have a good course at Blue Valley there aer many holes that I had used that are not in the mix of what Jim and Dan decided.  I would guess that over the 4 years before that park went in when I got the funding for it that I had created close to 90 different holes.

Some do mirror what is out there, and some does not.  This will be a chance to use some of the holes that many of you may remember, and yet again give us a better opportunity to help infuse a park with more appropriate activity, without having to pay a hall pass to visit a lake! ;D

Hope this helps some people's understanding.

Does anyone else want to spray paint the WyCo Logo in bright red paint that spells out-

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 09, 2010, 03:47:55 PM »
Firearms, and errant 4-wheelers are not needed to take care of issues at Cliff!

(I don't care how much fun you think it is!)

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 09, 2010, 03:19:52 PM »
well.....its the truth, but the real truth of the matter is that since we started being active in the park there, all of this has gone down DRASTICALLY.....

Just sayin!

Seriously the park has been neglected for years.  We have single handedly given back a large section of that green space back to the community, and in turn to our community.

We have not done it alone, but we have been the organization that has spearheaded this work over the last decade, and it is something to be proud of. 

Its an inner city urban core park that is absolutely beautiful, but a lot of that beauty is from the countless hours that we have given to the park.

There are problems in the park still, and I encourage each and everyone to step up and volunteer in your "local course".  This course just needs more help.  This course needs more people to play it, and this course needs more love.

I am in the process of creating another course within the park, it will be to the East of the existing course.  As that plan comes together we will need more help to ensure the successes that we have seen in the park to date are not neglected, but rather ar emphasized even more to continue to make an even bigger impact in our community.

The park is what the park has become.  We are the stewards of change.  We have started to climb the hill, (which is good, because in 2001 you couldnt see the hill from the trash!) but we have a continual uphill battle without the escalator out of the woods on #6!

I say it tongue in cheek, but if you see any of these activities it is your duty to call 911 about it immediately, and then complete your round.  Its not your job to to do anything but report it. 

Half of the battle is getting the information to the right people.

My number is 913.485.5123, call 911, then call me.  I will make sure that the information gets to the right people, and you should receive good Karma for taking care of the earth, and your course!

So yeah those things happen.  Who in here knows the story about hole #14 and the bank robber shooting.....(hint it happened in 1971....)

The park has a long history, we are merely adding to it.  We can change this perception, that is a lot of power, and it is something that shuold make us all proud.

We are doing great things in bad areas, and we reap the enjoyment of watching plastic hit metal chains, some of us are even lucky enough to get it to stay in the chains.

Above ground, below ground, on a tree, even mini disc golf.....those of you that have seen this course over the last decade know what I am talking about.

Most importantly if you made it to page 4 on this thread, you are already addicted to disc golf, and you should want to see it for yourself!
 :o :-*

Prairie Center / Re: 03-08-10 GLOW finale
« on: March 09, 2010, 12:41:55 PM »
I pay for people on my card.  That's it.  Casual, League, or Tournament.  I think paying if you see something is your own choice.  Would you expect for 20 people to pay at hole 1 at down under league? 

I would, but then again thats me, and I expect that same courtesy from all fellow disc golfers.

I can honestly say that I have paid for every ace that I have seen.

I paid $11 the and had only thrown 2 drives two weeks ago on money towards other people......

Again thats me, and I hope that the Karma gods smile favorably on me either on this planet, or the one beyond....

Prairie Center / Re: 03-08-10 GLOW finale
« on: March 09, 2010, 10:31:29 AM »
The rules of the $5-$1 club are quite simple. 

If you see an ace you pay $5 to the person hitting the ace.

If you see someone hitting the basket or above chains (Tops of Innova, flag poles, number plates do NOT count) you pay them a $1.

The only time it is not ok to pay someone is if they are emptying their bag, and its not their first shot.  If you are playing casually with another player and it gets hit, its worth $5 to see it and talk about it.

I've paid on aces that I barely have seen, someone will throw it and scream, then I'll pay, though I only saw them tee off.  Thats me, some people say that they have to either witness the entire shot, or be on the card (if you did not see it, and you are on the card, you SHOULD PAY (not a must, but only because this is totally optional) or feel shame and ridicule for not ponying up!) in order to get paid.

The bottom line is that typically before each round, I'll ask who is in the "51 Club", and if they don't know I'll explain it, or they say yes or no, and you know where you stand!

Atta boy Drew!

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 09, 2010, 10:21:55 AM »
... if a hanging basket is going in, Cliff Drive is the most logical choice, in my humble opinion.

If for no other reason than to annoy Jack, it's the perfect location.  :P

Of course it is, why wouldn't I be all riled up otherwise?

Trash, dead bodies, burnt cars, homeless shelters, johns getting happy, hanging baskets, all the fun you to can soon have at Cliff Drive.....

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 09, 2010, 08:47:49 AM »
Don't you have code to compile????
 ??? ??? ??? ??? :o :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 09, 2010, 08:42:35 AM »

ITS MY DECISION AS A TD TO USE THE COURSE AS I SEE FIT (except for the worlds last year, as I relinquished that responsibility), just as it is for any TD to make the call.

Rick said in 2005 they used a Hanging basket at the Worlds, in 2007 they had one in a Tree that was 7' off the ground, this year at the memorial, you have to step on hay bales.....

All things that apparently other people are fine with, I am not.  Although I don't mind playing on this type of craziness, I am also not going to "force" someone else to play that way.  I think that we have enough challenges with litter and other crap in our courses to not artificially create these things. 

I am not a big proponent of OB ropes/lines either, but I understand their usefulness in certain holes, and areas.

Its a choice, I choose NO!
(your opinion may vary)

Prairie Center / Re: 03-08-10 GLOW finale
« on: March 08, 2010, 09:30:14 PM »
Monday Night HERO.......well I got the good word......hehehehehe.....League Monday next week at Cliff Drive....who is running that league again?


Bobby's bringing Ace Beer from last year.....some other people may have to wait for ace beer until next season........


General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 08, 2010, 09:27:52 PM »
I am in favor of a dunk tank, though I am concerned about the uses it might see at Cliff Drive......... ???

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 08, 2010, 02:15:23 PM »
they move.

Nothing else needs to be said.

It alters the score, it alters the perception, and its not a target that is stationary, so therefore in tournament play its a mockery.

Don't get me wrong, i think that they look cool and all, but what device are you using to hang this basket?

Cutting into the rocks seems silly to me as well.

It will MOVE, someone can bump it, someone will move it everytime they get their disc out.  It moves, it therefore alters the next shot.

Even if you say that they put it back to keep it from moving, the perception of the target is that it will move again, and then changes the way that you actually putt at a target.  I putt differently at different targets.  I know that the Mach III has a possible spitout that is highly probable at 2:25-2:45 looking at the basket, so I try not to hit it there, or if so without as much force.  Innova, the colorfull tops, make mee feel as though its a magnet to throw it higher, Titan's, I have seem to find very little fault with other than its a GDS product, though I have spit through the cage on the first run of them, I think that was fixed in the second fabrication.

So I think that its cool, I just don't think that it belongs on a disc golf course that is being played competitively, and at no point will I ever allow it as a TD.  But I AM NOT THE ONLY TD, so if you get someone else that thinks its a great idea, and they want to run the event, and use it, its their choice.

My choice is clear, again its my choice.

I do not want to see the band ever get hurt, and I would really like to not populate that area where the stage is for anything.  THat part of the park is erosion prone, and we are trying to get it mowed frequently, and putting more items in there, may deter those silly mower guys from getting anything done the right way (even more so).  That part of the park is the first piece that we need to get them (mowers and city) to take care of, the hole area there from 7's basket, all the way up to the short pin thats there on 8.

Again though the Hanging basket looks cool, its just not cool for scoring in events that require score.  It alters and can be altered many scores.

No where in the PDGA rule book is there a listing about not having one, Dan misled you, but in the minds of people that have played them, and see what they can do to alter a person's mindset by something so manageable, I will not use it as such.

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