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General Banter / Re: Keen-WOW
« on: March 18, 2010, 11:48:48 AM »
I have actually had some really good luck water proofing my New Balance shoes with Scotchguard...granted I have to do it about twice a year, but it sure beats walking around in wet shoes and socks for 3/4's of the course...not to mention that they last me about 2 years of use.
That does not WATERPROOF them, it merely water resists them.

New Balance does have a line of Waterproof shoes, I am a fan of New Balance as well.  Spencer, they also have the BEST selection of sizes (width in particular).    I personally have a combination last, skinny heel, and a wide foot base, so I really need a shoe with a B heel, and an E front.  I found that to be the case in my Keens, which is probably why I liked them as much.

I would venture to bet if you went to a few stores and tried on some shoes, you could find what you liked, and then shop online for a better price point.

$100, $110, it doesn't matter, if your feet are not comfortable, your round will suck.  Comfortable feet make the entire day feel better.  Dry feet, make you feel a ton better then wet feet.

Waterproof socks are also a good option to ensure a relatively dry foot, though they do tend to make your feet wet from the internal moisture, your feet do dry quickly once out of the socks.  They typically are only good for about 1-2 years of disc golf wear though.

Tournaments / Re: Mighty Mo-Cancelled 2010
« on: March 17, 2010, 03:11:19 PM »
But I don't want to run up against the other events.  I like the people running them, and I get mad when people don't ask me.  I specifically sought the plan from these guys back in January to ensure that I didn't have this issue.

It also boils down to WW seeing work on it, and I don't want to tax the course that is undergoing changes from the public services sector.  Lets let them do their job, then use the course when it is not under construction.

General Banter / Re: Keen-WOW
« on: March 17, 2010, 03:08:12 PM »
Yeah, but I had the same problem with them, they ripped out on my right pinky toe.

I bit the bullet and bought them online Mike.

I HATE TO DO THAT, but it was a free pair of shoes from the USDGC, so I thought that I would try.

Milo's were not out yet, so I tried these.  When I called the first few stores listed, they indicated that they did not carry Keen's, but knew that they were listed on their website, so definately call first.

I really hate to buy things online, but this was something that I saw, I was comfortable with, and with a size 12 shoe, 11 1/2's are hard to come by, and 13's are always to big, so I blinked twice, threw spit into the wind, and was happy as a clam when I got them at home about a week later.

I still plan on wearing these as I said even with the tear, they didn't leak, I just doubt that they will withstand as much disc golf as I need a pair to handle.

I'll buy the Milo's and wear the new pair of Obsediens they  send me.

General Banter / Re: Keen-WOW
« on: March 17, 2010, 10:42:58 AM »

Tournaments / Re: Mighty Mo-Cancelled 2010
« on: March 17, 2010, 10:26:43 AM »
Waterworks is scheduled to have some work done that I really do not want to worry about, the rest of the month is pretty well set, and the weekends before it have Lamoni, and Emporia, so unfortunately I could not think of a better date at this time.

I also like the idea of the 3 round 2 day event in the fall where I may be able to raise some funds to make it B-tier style payout as a C-tier, or a good payout, without a PDGA agreement so that we can have some local barley on the course as well.

Only time will tell, but its hard to let go of my baby!

General Banter / Re: Keen-WOW
« on: March 17, 2010, 10:23:18 AM »
I used to blame my bad rounds on shoes then noticed I wasn't wearing any

Non-pdga events I am sure.....

General Banter / Re: Keen-WOW
« on: March 17, 2010, 10:03:51 AM »


But they did indicate that the issue I had is not common, but has happened.  I think that its the torque I put on it when I twist my right foot.  I got a small tear by the pinky toe on the right foot.

I really was digging the shoe, as I also felt that the Milo was a little bit heavier than what I wanted.  I saw Nate Doss wearing these, and looked at them, as they were a little more aligned with what I wanted, and got them instead.

I may try to use these only for disc golf to see if that is an issue, and if it blows out again, then I will switch to Milo.

Outside of this tear (which coincidentally it didn't leak into the shoe even with the tear), these have been very comfortable, gripped well in all conditions, and have high praise for me on a shoe for disc golf, which I have been seriously looking for for years, (at least 10).

The perfect shoe for me and disc golf does not exist.  I want this waterproof top 3/4, and a skateboard sole, with lugnuts sole on the outer rim, and I want it all to weigh in under 16oz.

This was about as close to that as I have found.

The Milo looks and feels a lot heavier in my hand, but it may handle the demands that we place on our feet better, and it's probably in the 20oz range.  I will give it a shot, mainly because of my interaction yesterday.

Tournaments / Re: SAINT LOUIS OPEN MAY 1st and 2nd
« on: March 17, 2010, 09:52:18 AM »
Doug you are absurd.

Worlds planning started in 2004, preparation for all the courses was not done in May/June.

It required THOUSANDS of volunteer hours to pull off, and many weekends of completing projects to accomplish this goal so that the 1000 people coming to KC would have fun.

We (staff, volunteers, club members) could not possibly play every event we wanted to, and then have the event that we did.

Take on a challenge of running a single day PDGA event, and see how much time that takes.  Then intensify it by about a thousand, and realize that you have to plan 7 days.

I personally thank all the people that took time off of their disc golf game to make the event of historic portions that Kansas City hosted, to criticize because we didn't go play disc golf is just silly nonsense, and really has no place in the forums.

You should feel much shame for the comment Doug, much shame.....two minutes you sit in box and think about what you said!
 >:( >:(
 ;D ;D ;D

Its the first tournament of the disc golf year (daylight change).  Or close to it.  Once a tourney fits into a slot, it is accustomed to being there, and other events plan around it.

General Banter / Keen-WOW
« on: March 17, 2010, 09:45:59 AM »

So I got a pair of keens, and didn't get the disc golf shoe.  Well, I had a blowout on them on Sunday at the I-Kan't-WyCo, and I sent them a note asking about this issue.

I sent an e-mail expecting the same service levels that we have grown accustomed to, and much to my surprise I got a response from them within 4 minutes of my initial request for information.

I was followed up with more information about how to go about conducting a return, and had my answers to all my questions within an hour of my initial conversation/request (4 e-mails).

As a person that is in customer service this is what I look for, acknowledgement, and a solution.

As a company that has made the disc golf shoe-Milo- I can only say that I for one will now be buying these shoes based on the knowledge and the service levels that I received.

It was a great experience, and their attention to the customer in this instance has probably just foud them a customer for life.

As an old shoe dog (I managed shoe stores for about 5 years), This is the level of service that I gave, and that I expect, I am completely satisfied to yell in the forum about how good the service is, and give it a solid two thumbs up!

Tournaments / Re: SAINT LOUIS OPEN MAY 1st and 2nd
« on: March 16, 2010, 03:05:37 PM »
Oh , yeah, another reason I wanted to cancel the Mighty Mo....

Good times in St. Louis, good times.... 8) 8) 8)

Tournaments / Mighty Mo-Cancelled 2010
« on: March 16, 2010, 01:35:33 PM »
I have run into a situation that will not allow me to run the Mighty Mo this year. 

I can not read a calendar, and forgot that I have other obligations on that weekend planned.

I am also leaning towards not having the City Of Fountains.

What may transpire is that in late October, or early November I will run an event using all three courses.

Saturday=Cliff Drive/Water Works
Sunday=Blue Valley

I would like to align this with the Cliff Hanger Run located in the Northeast, and offer a discount for those runners that run in the event, and play in the disc golf event.

More on this will follow as we move through the year, but I wanted to let you all know that I made a decision today to cancel the event for the year.

Thanks for your understanding.

General Banter / $10-NCAA Bracket Pool
« on: March 16, 2010, 12:08:38 PM »
every year I run this little challenge, we typically have about 25 people, and generally do a split of the payout like this-

Now when I ran it in Chicago and we had close to 100 people, we capped the winner at $400, and broke it down from there, and paid respectively, not bad for your $10 investment.

If you are interested in this, please PM me at



Copy and paste this URL:

Remember to include your group's password:

Please forward to all that you know that you know will pay.
You can either get the money to the people that you know, or
paypal me the $10/bracket to

I believe you can have 2 brackets, though you may be able to
have more, there was enough interest yesterday in my note to
make me think that I should do this.

If you don't know me good luck, if you do know me, bad luck!


Have fun folks!

May the best team win, not KU.....

Cliff Drive / Re: Cliff Drive Summer League Starts March 15th - ReDo
« on: March 16, 2010, 09:18:44 AM »
26....I'll look, I think we broke 30 once.....

Cliff Drive / Re: Cliff Drive Summer League Starts March 15th - ReDo
« on: March 15, 2010, 03:26:44 PM »
No need to lock it up for one round Dick, but thanks for the concern!

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