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Cliff Drive / Re: Cleaning up the park
« on: March 23, 2009, 04:23:34 PM »
First event-2001, I met Dick in 2003 at a temporary event that I was running when I was working on getting the approval for Blue Dick played what he may have thought was an original design, but.....Dick played what was by then the "standard" design, but again, MANY have helped with the course, you know, I can think of 3 people that are no longer with us that helped on workdays, so this course is going to be here for the duration!!

Cliff Drive / Re: Cleaning up the park
« on: March 23, 2009, 04:18:25 PM »
no, it is good, because I want people to make a difference, so when I get to be up on the soapbox, hopefully it may encourage others.

I was not intentionally calling you out, I was merely stating what frustration I feel and how I think we need to look at the course as a remarketable work in progress, and truly position ourselves to continue to make a difference......ask Mr. Palmer there how many hours of manual labor he has in his course......then ask for the consensus hours that the community has put in......that park will be taken care of by the city, as it should.  They have the resources, and they are determined to make it work.

Cliff Drive is a community project, like painting a mural on a wall to replace graffitti, except we are the care takers, and it is up to each of us to make it better.  I dunno, its a great park, it is primarily the one reason that I moved into the area in all honesty, that and the big old houses, makes me feel ike home, and when I can do something to give to the entire area that I live in, I feel good about it, and that in turn makes me want to do more!

Once this is done, and the worlds are over, I have other plans to make Cliff the premier place to play, but until then, I want it to be gussied up better than an Independence avenue "HO' looking for a trick....ok I couldnt resist.....

Cliff Drive / Re: Cleaning up the park
« on: March 23, 2009, 03:04:59 PM »
This is a great idea,but for every 10 items of trash picked up it will be replaced by 20 items.Don't get me wrong I like this course but I have my doubts to what the pros will think of this area when the WORLDS comes around.

I'll try as nice as I can, but if this is your stance, then I would prefer that you stay under the porch.  What we do not need is naysayers, and saying it will never work, if you have not been at Cliff Drive over the last 9 years, which in all honesty, I am about the only person that has, then you have no idea how much improvement has happened here.  Also the realization that we can make a difference is within each of us to make is a much stronger statement than thinking that we can not.  If you want pristine and pure, and to be left alone, go to the smaller communities that work towards the betterment of the parks.  We are in a tough economic bind, the city has cut funding to parks for years, and we have just started this decade to reclaim land that has been lost and neglected, and if you want something good, WORK FOR IT.  I ama firm believer in that, and hope that the loads of help that we have seen at Cliff continues to improve as we continue to improve the park.

Be part of the solution, not part of the problem, and not one of those that drive by the park and say, man that is messy, someone should do something about it, you know what, a few of us have, and a few of us that take that ownership and make it our priority have made that course a reality.  If everyone would do a little bit to help, it would go a longs ways, if you don't think that it matters, then please play elsewhere.

You struck a nerve, and I hate people that are pessimistic, especially when you are talking about over 10,000 hours of volunteer time.  Be a part of the solution, not a nay-sayer and you go far in my book.  Many have helped to get the course where it is today, and many others are now doing other things, but the bottom line is that it takes a village, to build it, it only takes one careless F&*)( to light a match and blow it up, so lets try to get everyone on the same page, and that was why I was asking for al ittle help.

Dog, its not a personal attack on you, but rather an attack on anyone reading about how passionate I am and I know a few others that share this passion.  Your best bet is to help and show up and see what a group difference we can make, or go view other parts of the park, and see how we have made a difference, and will make a difference.

BTW, most of the pros that have played this park, are super excited that it has made thier list of courses.  This course gets great reviews from all over, so now the oenus is on us to make it visiually as good as the lay of the land has lent itself.


Tournaments / Re: D.U.I. "Down Under Invitational" March 22, 2009
« on: March 23, 2009, 02:51:14 PM »
$25 is super cheap, if you expect those things, you should plan on paying closer to $50/event

Cliff Drive / Cleaning up the park
« on: March 23, 2009, 10:38:46 AM »
Whilst you play, anything that you can do to clean up the park would be greatly appreciated.  Yesterday I spent about 3 hours out at hole #1 cleaning it up.  Morales and Aaron also helped, and man does it look a thousand times better. 

There are still a few cleaning items and then we have to work on the mowing, and the stairs.  I am hopeful that tee pads within the next few weeks will be completed, and then we really start to assault the park.  There area  few bags of trash along the West end of #5, that I hope to tackle today, then I will put a call out for the BEAST-hole #12, you know it, and I know it, something has to be done there.  The goal is going to be to get all the trash down to the fence line, then figure out a way to move a machine into the area to scoop and remove, that is going to be the only way we get it done.  And while we are at it, we will take some honeysuckle out.  I also want to start to remove all the trees from the wrought iron along the reservoir (yeah I am sadistic with disc golf) so as to beautify the area, not to watch the sheer horror of faces on people as the disc goes floating away in the abyss...

The practice basket is going to go where old #11 pad was at.  I hope to get that moving this week as well.  We need to finish hole #1 box, will be moving it back about 3' with that extra on the ties, it should prevent people from falling off....then need to plant a fwe trees to protect the pad, will probably move the original #10 based on this as well....

Probably am going to move #13 pad in front of the mulberry to bring the last few trees into play, it makes the short setting a lot easier, but a long placement along the road deep will wreak some OB havoc.....great idea Pete, I had blinders on from the old trees, and just really hadn't thought about the usage of the trees out side of the ones that are no longer there.

More to follow, but the course is really looking good, and anything that you can do to help (like picking up 18 pieces of trash-1 per hole) is greatly appreciated, in fact if your only way to help is to come out and play, I'll take it!!!


Cliff Drive / Re: League 3-16-09
« on: March 21, 2009, 08:47:27 AM »
it is in my world.....i am kinda protective.....heading to cliff to clean then off to games!

Cliff Drive / pins 3-20-09
« on: March 20, 2009, 07:59:46 PM »
4-long left
8-long(Yikes...needs some more clearing, forgot how hard it is....)
11-long-will be short tomorrow

Cliff Drive / League 3-16-09
« on: March 20, 2009, 01:48:52 PM »
Great night for golf that you may have missed, 18 people made it.  Playing on the 23rd starting by 5:30, show up if you can, you'll be happy.....

Matt Hummel first 3 on Island.....Nice, very NICE!

Bobby 57
CD 57
Matt H 61
Jack 61
Ted K 61
Peter Cashen 61
Caleb 61
Dick 63
Danger 64
Demian 65
Brad D'Amico 65
Slinker 65
Brad M 66
Bill N 70
Annie-71 (1st)
Chappy 75
TJ 75
Becky 84

General Banter / Re: Innova R Pro Dart Putter
« on: March 17, 2009, 03:46:28 PM »
I got to toss one yesterday and I must say it is an easy flier, though I'm not sure I would use it in high winds...

resisting the temptation CD, but man you put it out there.....i'll resist......ok, long enough, how are you ever going to get it to HIGH places for the wind, aren't worried about the ants at your level?
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General Banter / Re: Blue Springs Young Park
« on: March 17, 2009, 03:43:57 PM »
Keep on plugging John.  Thansk foryour hard work!

General Banter / Photos of pads being moved
« on: March 17, 2009, 11:39:41 AM »
with all talk about tee pads at Cliff, I am proposing an idea that shows how we can move tee pads, does anyone have any photos of pads being moved by machinary already built?

If so please PM me with them.



Cliff Drive / Re: Cliff Drive League 2009
« on: March 16, 2009, 03:42:08 PM »
I shuold be there by 5:15

General Banter / Non-Disc Golf-BB Brackets
« on: March 16, 2009, 01:52:52 PM »
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Cliff Drive / Re: Cliff drive hole one
« on: March 16, 2009, 10:09:36 AM »

The problem really is the placement of 10's basket, if we go much further back you risk getting hit from errant shots.

On 13, I plan on placing a bunch of other trees (ok maybe 10...) to define the fairway.  I am also still trying to work with the groups at getting the area where 13's basket is to become a playground and basketball courts, then move 14 & 15 across the street, and have 13 go to 14's basket.....that part of the course is going to be ready this year for the worlds, but may change soon thereafter.

I am hoping that with all the meetings that I am having to do because of the tee pads that I will be able to drive more designs to help the area and associations get what they want (basketball court removed-I want it moved, not removed) and in turn allow us to have a better course.

The tree by 12's pad is a NASTY mullberry tree, Kevin Corbett can only eat so many of I was staying clear of that tree intentionally.



Water Works / Re: 03/12/09 Water Works League
« on: March 13, 2009, 03:42:16 PM »
then buy star plastic....computr more plastic always have enough in car to play and share

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