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General Banter / Re: Keen-WOW
« on: March 17, 2010, 10:23:18 AM »
I used to blame my bad rounds on shoes then noticed I wasn't wearing any

Non-pdga events I am sure.....

General Banter / Re: Keen-WOW
« on: March 17, 2010, 10:03:51 AM »


But they did indicate that the issue I had is not common, but has happened.  I think that its the torque I put on it when I twist my right foot.  I got a small tear by the pinky toe on the right foot.

I really was digging the shoe, as I also felt that the Milo was a little bit heavier than what I wanted.  I saw Nate Doss wearing these, and looked at them, as they were a little more aligned with what I wanted, and got them instead.

I may try to use these only for disc golf to see if that is an issue, and if it blows out again, then I will switch to Milo.

Outside of this tear (which coincidentally it didn't leak into the shoe even with the tear), these have been very comfortable, gripped well in all conditions, and have high praise for me on a shoe for disc golf, which I have been seriously looking for for years, (at least 10).

The perfect shoe for me and disc golf does not exist.  I want this waterproof top 3/4, and a skateboard sole, with lugnuts sole on the outer rim, and I want it all to weigh in under 16oz.

This was about as close to that as I have found.

The Milo looks and feels a lot heavier in my hand, but it may handle the demands that we place on our feet better, and it's probably in the 20oz range.  I will give it a shot, mainly because of my interaction yesterday.

Tournaments / Re: SAINT LOUIS OPEN MAY 1st and 2nd
« on: March 17, 2010, 09:52:18 AM »
Doug you are absurd.

Worlds planning started in 2004, preparation for all the courses was not done in May/June.

It required THOUSANDS of volunteer hours to pull off, and many weekends of completing projects to accomplish this goal so that the 1000 people coming to KC would have fun.

We (staff, volunteers, club members) could not possibly play every event we wanted to, and then have the event that we did.

Take on a challenge of running a single day PDGA event, and see how much time that takes.  Then intensify it by about a thousand, and realize that you have to plan 7 days.

I personally thank all the people that took time off of their disc golf game to make the event of historic portions that Kansas City hosted, to criticize because we didn't go play disc golf is just silly nonsense, and really has no place in the forums.

You should feel much shame for the comment Doug, much shame.....two minutes you sit in box and think about what you said!
 >:( >:(
 ;D ;D ;D

Its the first tournament of the disc golf year (daylight change).  Or close to it.  Once a tourney fits into a slot, it is accustomed to being there, and other events plan around it.

General Banter / Keen-WOW
« on: March 17, 2010, 09:45:59 AM »

So I got a pair of keens, and didn't get the disc golf shoe.  Well, I had a blowout on them on Sunday at the I-Kan't-WyCo, and I sent them a note asking about this issue.

I sent an e-mail expecting the same service levels that we have grown accustomed to, and much to my surprise I got a response from them within 4 minutes of my initial request for information.

I was followed up with more information about how to go about conducting a return, and had my answers to all my questions within an hour of my initial conversation/request (4 e-mails).

As a person that is in customer service this is what I look for, acknowledgement, and a solution.

As a company that has made the disc golf shoe-Milo- I can only say that I for one will now be buying these shoes based on the knowledge and the service levels that I received.

It was a great experience, and their attention to the customer in this instance has probably just foud them a customer for life.

As an old shoe dog (I managed shoe stores for about 5 years), This is the level of service that I gave, and that I expect, I am completely satisfied to yell in the forum about how good the service is, and give it a solid two thumbs up!

Tournaments / Re: SAINT LOUIS OPEN MAY 1st and 2nd
« on: March 16, 2010, 03:05:37 PM »
Oh , yeah, another reason I wanted to cancel the Mighty Mo....

Good times in St. Louis, good times.... 8) 8) 8)

Tournaments / Mighty Mo-Cancelled 2010
« on: March 16, 2010, 01:35:33 PM »
I have run into a situation that will not allow me to run the Mighty Mo this year. 

I can not read a calendar, and forgot that I have other obligations on that weekend planned.

I am also leaning towards not having the City Of Fountains.

What may transpire is that in late October, or early November I will run an event using all three courses.

Saturday=Cliff Drive/Water Works
Sunday=Blue Valley

I would like to align this with the Cliff Hanger Run located in the Northeast, and offer a discount for those runners that run in the event, and play in the disc golf event.

More on this will follow as we move through the year, but I wanted to let you all know that I made a decision today to cancel the event for the year.

Thanks for your understanding.

General Banter / $10-NCAA Bracket Pool
« on: March 16, 2010, 12:08:38 PM »
every year I run this little challenge, we typically have about 25 people, and generally do a split of the payout like this-

Now when I ran it in Chicago and we had close to 100 people, we capped the winner at $400, and broke it down from there, and paid respectively, not bad for your $10 investment.

If you are interested in this, please PM me at



Copy and paste this URL:

Remember to include your group's password:

Please forward to all that you know that you know will pay.
You can either get the money to the people that you know, or
paypal me the $10/bracket to

I believe you can have 2 brackets, though you may be able to
have more, there was enough interest yesterday in my note to
make me think that I should do this.

If you don't know me good luck, if you do know me, bad luck!


Have fun folks!

May the best team win, not KU.....

Cliff Drive / Re: Cliff Drive Summer League Starts March 15th - ReDo
« on: March 16, 2010, 09:18:44 AM »
26....I'll look, I think we broke 30 once.....

Cliff Drive / Re: Cliff Drive Summer League Starts March 15th - ReDo
« on: March 15, 2010, 03:26:44 PM »
No need to lock it up for one round Dick, but thanks for the concern!

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 15, 2010, 12:58:05 PM »
Uh, quoting the following, "This course needs more people to play it, and this course needs more love.  I am in the process of creating another course within the park..."

So if we don't have enough playing in the first place, why create a 2nd one?

The issue is that we have made a huge difference, and we will continue to make a difference, and as we get more people out there, it will evolve.

Secondly, because I was asked to do so by the neighborhood association and some state representatives as the work we have done has not gone unnoticed.

Thirdly, because I am selfish, and I don't wanna go anywhere except places I can walk to play disc golf, and I have the energy, the know-how, and the moxy to make it happen in my backyard, so I am doing it.

Fourthly, because when this course is done, people will want to play this course over and over again, just like Cliff Drive.....WEST....

 ;D ;D ;D

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 15, 2010, 10:31:49 AM »
When our city responds to 311 calls you are correct, but until that time 911 is the number to call.

They will then issue the appropriate level of response.

Unless you are on the 911 switchboard and know something that the rest of us don't......

Is that your new job?

911 calls are needed to then also show the concern on the city reports and how many people are truly affecting the park, otherwise, if no one calls, they think there is no problem.

Dammit Mike, I've been at this and other parks for over a decade now, I know a little about what I say....
 ;D ;D

I agree about the calls to 911, and when my house was broken into the 2nd time in one day, and the alarm company called the police and it took over 2 hours to show up, it pisst me off.

Other ideas to run our cities appropriately?  Hire more managable staf to run the city services, and maybe we wouldnt even haev this conversation, but wait....that would require staff to pay which we have no money to pay because we give Tiff breaks on so many items.......thats another issue though for another post.

Another option if you are open to Keizer's line is to call Central Patrol Police Dispatch at (816) 234-5510......that may help out!

General Banter / Re: blue valley options
« on: March 15, 2010, 09:57:31 AM »
As the person that wrote the grant to get the additional funding let me state what I stated in the grant:

$25,000-to finish the existing disc golf course at Blue Valley.
--This would use those funds available to install the alternate teeing areas for the original course, bring in some trees, and shrubberies where appropriate as the people see fit. (Dan and Jim)

$50,000-To install a "red course-Red baskets, red tees" within the Eastern or Western half of the park.  Using some of the same terrain and land, but adding to the park a course that is more manageable within the scope of most people for casual golf.  It will still feature tough challenges and utilize parts of the park that are not being used, and some that are.

$50,000-to install a "blue course-Blue Baskets, blue tees" within the Western or eastern half of the park.....blah blah blah..

What I want to do is to essentially have 4 courses within the park, at any time you could be running 2 courses.  Red-Blu, Silver/Gold-executive.

We should call the big course Silver, because the baskets will be silver, and then if we end up with other color see where this is going.

You could also casually be able to have players on all 4 courses and increase participation for the courses/park to improve the quality.

I am not sure where this stands currently, as I have not heard from the funding group about it, but rest assured-

Blue Valley is NOT being reconfigured.  It is NOT being pulled out.  It is NOT being taken away and dummied down!

IT IS BEING LOOKED AT TO IMPROVE and utilize the land that is not being used, and incorporate the existing land to make it a huge showcase if approved.

Folks should realize that even though we have a good course at Blue Valley there aer many holes that I had used that are not in the mix of what Jim and Dan decided.  I would guess that over the 4 years before that park went in when I got the funding for it that I had created close to 90 different holes.

Some do mirror what is out there, and some does not.  This will be a chance to use some of the holes that many of you may remember, and yet again give us a better opportunity to help infuse a park with more appropriate activity, without having to pay a hall pass to visit a lake! ;D

Hope this helps some people's understanding.

Does anyone else want to spray paint the WyCo Logo in bright red paint that spells out-

General Banter / Re: Hanging baskets-- not allowed in PDGA events?
« on: March 09, 2010, 03:47:55 PM »
Firearms, and errant 4-wheelers are not needed to take care of issues at Cliff!

(I don't care how much fun you think it is!)

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