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General Banter / Re: Happy Birthday to...
« on: December 03, 2009, 11:09:40 AM »
Happy B-Day Kevin.  Its Critter's B-Day as well I believe, and he asked me over to a card game.  I may try to make my way there on the way home though!

Cliff Drive / Re: Looking for a 44 at Cliff!!!
« on: November 30, 2009, 11:09:07 AM »
why wont you play cliff alone?  Silly, simply silly.  Someon can and will ace #6 in the current/original place.  Barsby hit the pole, and Matty-O put it 4' from it, there were a few other shots that were pretty close as well.

Cliff Drive / Re: I have a request...
« on: November 18, 2009, 04:23:56 PM »
13=4 (Long)
I may have had 16=4 as well, so it may have played at a 58 during the worlds.

I am 50-50 at this point, I will probably get the UFC fight at my place on Sat night....

Cliff Drive / Re: I have a request...
« on: November 18, 2009, 11:03:04 AM »
45, just ask Matty-O...... ;D

It should be considered a 57 in my mind.  I have not moved it to the Worlds setting yet, and I know that Drew wants some keys, so I may try to do that Saturday Morning, before I try to watch the Steelers kill the Chiefs this weekend.....

Bag Tags / Re: 2010- What number ya got?
« on: November 18, 2009, 09:26:05 AM »
you donkey, you really think i will never beat you again?  are you drunk when you posted that?

I just know you will never finish a round when you play against me, so I have no worries....

Bag Tags / Re: 2010- What number ya got?
« on: November 17, 2009, 03:37:09 PM »
I got will not ever beat me again, unless I am hungover.  You can try rabbit, but you aints gonna gets it from me..... ;D

General Banter / Re: 2010 pdga Mo events
« on: November 17, 2009, 02:52:18 PM »
Why are there so many  inactive members?

I wasn't talking about club members, merely talking about the internet users.  I can guarantee we have internet users that are not club members.

My C-Tiers always have shirts or discs for the players, then cash for the if you play well as a pro, you get money, otherwise, I try to keep the am entry low so that you play for the am status of playing, not for prize sandbagging, and you get our great courses. 

Its a personal thing with me, I think that too many Am's expect a big payout and the reality is that they should be playing for the love of the game, if not, then step up.  As the TD, I relay my beliefs in the system that I feel it should be.  Right or wrong, if I run it, I run it my way.  Just me being the LEO that I am, and ensuring that what I feel is fair, is shared.  Hopefully then as well, those people traveling will think its a cheap event, and can spend more money in my community, which in turn helps us all out in the long run.

General Banter / Re: 2010 pdga Mo events
« on: November 17, 2009, 02:48:01 PM »
I don't think that there is anything wrong in getting input, I just think that in this case that it would be best served to have this discussion after he has made it through the first meeting, and has a better idea of what this group maybe thinking.  

As for your other concerns, I tend to agree, there is quite a few items that I think should have been done differently, and I for one am just as much to blame as the other.  Part of the reason why I decided not to run again, the main reason though is that I am tired of not seeing things done as I would have liked to have seen them.  I felt as though my time over the last 10 years of donation was a good place to leave.

It does however boil down to the simple argument, that it is an all volunteer organization, and as such, you can only get out of it, what those volunteers put into it.  Overall we are a pretty darn good group of people.  Some items just do not always get done as they should by those that volunteer.  We have people that do what they say, and we have those that don't.  It does not mean that they are bad people, it just means that its not what we get paid to do, and life happens.

I have yet to see an entire year go by where someone does not follow through on items and it hurts the people that are stepping up to make it happen.  By asking where people might stand on the item now, without any guidance is simply (in my opinion) just asking for people to step up and offer help and not follow through.  That is the best way to lose someone new to the group (billy) that has energy to make things happen, yet feels that people may help, but that help is not solidified, because of the internet posts.

Not even going over those that help, but looking at people that say, yeah I'll play, put me down for sure........thats not event doing work, thats just saying you are going to play, and that happens every week in here.  Now holding them accountable to the online offerings.....I think that it is a recipe for disaster and disappointment.

Again Becky its not a good ole boys network, its an all volunteer organization that some people do more than others.

Don't go back into a cave, I think that you brought up some good points, that I am sure others agree with you on, and that discussion is much more aligned with topics that I think should be here instead of asking who might help with events, or whaddya think about an event that may or may not happen.

Again only my opinion....a lone club member.....

General Banter / Re: 2010 pdga Mo events
« on: November 17, 2009, 02:23:06 PM »
Getting information from the folks reading online is not the answer, the answer is get the information you need from the people that step up and do the work, and make the events happen. 

That almost sounds like you are saying that the people reading online don't step up and do any of the work. That only the EC does the work. And only those who've "always done it" are the only ones with any wisdom to impart.

No, I am saying that he should use the resources available first Becky, and then possibly post for insight.  I think that it is clear that plenty of the people that do the work are on here, but some are not, also some of the people online are not going to know all the information as to what can/should be done in the club name.  With over 600 people online accounts, and only 300 active members, there are more people online that are not club members than are, and therefore the reasoning mind would know that you need to talk with the people that will make the event happen.

It is not to diminish the work that people do, but rather to have a unified front to a question from a new board member that should hopefully wait until the next EC meeting (Tuesday) to get some insight, and then post, what they feel is more aligned and mirrors that of the organization as a whole, and the body of elected officials that it has chosen to lead.  IN just really feel that he put the cart in front of the horse on this.

The internet posts do not do the work, the people that get together and put their collective energies together to make these events happen do.  You are well aware of that for the countless hours that you gave this past year, and what I am indicating is that is a better approach than posting an open forum discussion without having enough information to truly start at.

I am not trying to belittle the internet, it is simply a tool, and a tool that I feel has its merits, but overall, phone calls and communication individually may be a much stronger approach.  Once some ideas are in place, then post, I am thinking of doing A-B-C, if it was here, how would you help, and see the responses you get from that approach, instead of opening it up to people that may have ideas, yet no knowledge of the boundaries that we are enclosed by.

Not trying to be mean, just stating my individual points as a member of the club, and how I feel things should be done.  This of course is my own opinion and not those of the EC, because, I am not on the EC.  So my support would come only from the support of the officers that I elected at the meeting, not in a discussion in the forum.

Hope that helps.

Billy, I started to talk that way with you yesterday as well, I hope you understand where I was coming from.

Becky, its not that everyone can't help on-line, its just that most don't.

General Banter / Re: 2010 pdga Mo events
« on: November 17, 2009, 01:54:53 PM »
Personally, I think that you would be better served to discuss with the EC, instead of putting it out here.

I run the Mighty Mo as a C-tier, because I don't have time to raise money, and I think that it is silly to give the PDGA more money based on the event level both from a standpoint of entrie fees, and sanctioning fees.

You should also realize that Thornfield will undoubtedly have at least 4-5 events that are charity driven during this time frame, they typically will have at least 60-80 people out there on these days.

I guess I think that you should sit with the new EC and really figure out what you feel is your goal, and see if it aligns with the KCFDC.

The goal of the KCFDC is not to line the pockets of those people playing in events, it is to promote the sport of disc golf to people of all ages, so making some money to help finance that goal has typically been my vision.  We run the Wide Open as the money maker for most people, the otehr events are to help our courses remain in shape, and to enjoy bringing in people to play on great courses that no other part of the country can offer.

Realize that people have been helping running events in Kansas City for over 25 years, and some of them are the same people......You need to ensure that you are looking in the right direction.  You also should seek some of the history, as we withdrew our proposal back in 2004 for the US Womens Nationals, and we had some good topics there.

Getting information from the folks reading online is not the answer, the answer is get the information you need from the people that step up and do the work, and make the events happen.  Also you must realize that the KCFDC has contracts with most of the municipalities within the metro area to help protect all of our interests, so going away from the KCFDC for any event, could be met with some harsh criticism from the parks people.

I guess what I am trying to say, is slow down, wait until your first meeting, bring it up, discuss, see what the EC thinks, and then collectively come up with a plan that works.

That is my suggestion.

General Banter / Re: PDGA. Tournament Results
« on: November 13, 2009, 03:01:55 PM »
cut and paste?

yeah, but that was to warn us that it was IVY......I never understood that one.....

Winter Leagues / Re: 11/12/09 Water Works Glow
« on: November 13, 2009, 10:19:08 AM »
Did Woodson know that it was above 50? :-*

Cliff Drive / Re: I have a request...
« on: November 12, 2009, 09:38:11 AM »
I got extra keys..........the only real problem with the pin there is that the Kids use it as a jungle gym.  I have to go by there almost daily and ask them to stay off of it.

I like the Island better, but maybe I'll move the course to World's configuration for you Ryan, its been the same since City of FOuntains, and Club Championships.

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