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Cliff Drive / Re: League 8/18 (Chappy & Rick's Bday!!)
« on: August 22, 2008, 02:13:46 PM »
And since it is my birthday, I just looked and realized that I am close to a 1000 postings in here, so I am giong to fill up a few items, and say that on my birthday back in 2008 I hit 1000

Cliff Drive / Re: League 8/18 (Chappy & Rick's Bday!!)
« on: August 22, 2008, 02:12:19 PM »
not wanting to give in......but it is easier to get to off the highway.....but Cliff Drive is still closer to downtown.......KCMO...

Cliff Drive to 1200 main is 2.24
Rosedale to 1200 main is 4.39

Cliff Drive to 7th and Minnesota (Downtown KCK) is 4.57
Rosedale to 7th and Minnesoat (see above) is 4.88

So now that I did some research it is closer to both KC and KCMO downtown, so I stand by my stance!

Cliff Drive / Re: City leaders have "plan" for Cliff Drive reservoir
« on: August 22, 2008, 12:10:58 PM »
THe reflecting Pond aint happening.  I am heading to a  meeting to discuss the park options with one of the neighborhood groups that support the park.  I will be more informed after september 9th.

I have worked with several leaders at developing ideas for the reservoir.  IF it goes away, TRUST ME WE WIN.  We will gladly move the course more into the woods, and add holes there instead out inteh open.  IT will hinder only a few holes, and having some much needed recreation activity in that area goes far and above the disc golf need.  The park is over 1400 acres, if they need to take away 15 from us, we will move.

I already have another course in mind across teh street that is all wooded, but will not start on that until phase 3 is done in the park, and have a better idea of other items coming into play.

As for dumping, it is better, but it is still a problem.  ANytime you play there and you see trash, post it here, and I will send to the city.  Part of the biggest problem is that once it gets dumped there no one knows about it, and then it gets ignored, and then it accumulates.  By US being there and reporting it, we have a better chance of getting it removed (albeit slowly some times) and maintaining the park in better shape.  Right now the graffiti on the trees is just as bothering to me as the trash is.....

Come out Saturday and see for yourself, even if you live in Olathe, there should be close to 100 people out there that will helop watch your back!!

Sorry Tracy, I ain't falling into your trap, but this is the first time that I have read some of the posts.....

Disc golf camp was great this year, I can't wait to see what we do for disc golf camp in 2009.....

Cliff Drive / Re: League 8/18 (Chappy & Rick's Bday!!)
« on: August 22, 2008, 11:58:18 AM »
NO WAY.  CLiff Drive is way closer to downtown than Rosedale is!!

Water Works / Re: 8/21/08 Water Works League
« on: August 22, 2008, 11:31:14 AM »
no aces?  You guys must be slipping......

Cliff Drive / League 8/18 (Chappy & Rick's Bday!!)
« on: August 22, 2008, 11:30:24 AM »
12 out for some fun before the Lions Den is opened!
In a SHOCKING happening, Arturo beat everyone....I know you are all in awe.....
Jack-58 (With a SUHWEET putt to beat Danger in a playoff from the road, he missed, I didn't!!!)
Hart Donation-59
Morales-63 (Lateness will no longer be allowed, daylight is to scarce....)
Bill N-66
Lexi-83 (I mis added your mis added....)

Saturday is on, and then back to league on Monday.  See what happens as you too can be a part of the most centralized disc golf league in Kansas City!!!

Cliff Drive / Re: Work Day? 8/16?
« on: August 22, 2008, 11:25:09 AM »
The memorial has been removed.  The trash was picked up and placed by #8 where the P&R will pick up next week.  The new teeing area for #1 is underway.

Thanks to:
Dick Parker
Paul Eklund
Dirk Hacker
Mike Penney
Mike Spady
Jack Lowe
for working on #1, 3, 8 last night the course looks better.  We have a ways to go!!  This is the start!

Tournaments / Re: Lion's Den Open VI - August 23rd 2008
« on: August 22, 2008, 10:13:10 AM »
spady as well! ;D

Tournaments / Re: Lion's Den Open VI - August 23rd 2008
« on: August 21, 2008, 02:52:25 PM »
Happy Birthday and all....but we need help tonight at CLiff to get ready.  If you can come help from 6-8:30 tonight, It would be good karma.

We need to work on hole #8 where we set up.

may do a few tweaks on the new pad for #1, but that is only after we get the area clean at hole 1.

Need extra hands more than anything else.  Wear long sleeves and pants, its just getting the weeds out of there are we cut it out.

Have some people willing to help, but can use more!!



Club Archives / Re: Par-how to define @ Worlds
« on: August 21, 2008, 02:48:21 PM »
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So the sport may never change because it is sort of an unsolvable problem.  But it is interesting to talk about and theorize solutions. 


Club Archives / Re: Par-how to define @ Worlds
« on: August 21, 2008, 01:17:46 PM »
There are no Par 2's, nor should there be IMO, and the rest of the PDGA.  They tried this in 2001, and abolished it in 2002.

The minimum par is 3, as it should be.  Even though I agree with many points, the simple fact is that you have to allow a shot (drive), an attempt to get to the "green" (see my earlier comment) and then a chance to make it.  I personally feel as though the "green" should be about 2-2.5x what it currently is, somewhere between 60-75' should be considered the green.

And Par for competition is required, though it is not as important because ultimately score matters, but in the absence of a player, our rules are set in place to allow for the standard.  That is why you see more inflated pars at larger events.  It punishes a player for missing a hole that maybe more difficult to achieve a 3 on in normal play, hence the 4-5's that show up on courses that you would not normally think of.  Why cliff drive has a par 4 on long 13, a normal player may go OB and end up with a 6 relatively ok, and then have a player show up late and only gain one stroke, not fair.  Having that player take an 8 though is much more fair, and punishable accordingly.

17 at WyCo, I have seen 3's there by a few people, Hemmeline almost got a 2 (Freaking lefty lines on that hole with his arm are sick!)  I however am always glad to get a 4, and feel that it is a par 4, one to get past the trees, one to get up closer, then I should be on the fringe of the green and have 2 shots (my green here not 10 meters).

You could also throw out all of this and go strictly on distance, and create a standard that way.  There have been many comments and suggestions on par, do seom research not only in here, but also the PDGA forum for more questions to lead to more questions, to lead to more questions, to more dicsussions, to more questions, and well were back where we started (as Ray Daives would say)

Club Archives / Re: Par-how to define @ Worlds
« on: August 21, 2008, 12:32:06 PM »
par+4 not 3

Club Archives / Par-how to define @ Worlds
« on: August 21, 2008, 09:33:01 AM »
The topic in the other thread is giong adrift.

I personally think that the way that Par is designed is inherent with faults.  We have differing viewpoints on what it should be, but yesterday there was a topic that I was reading that hit it right on the head.
Mark Ritner  wrote:
> "The real reason for the ridiculous scoring relative to ball golf:
putting is way easier in disc golf."That depends on what you define as
a "putt". Shots from the 10 meter line are the equivalent of 4-5 ft.
putts in ball golf. To get similar scoring distributions to ball golf
greens we can simply define our "green" and thereby our "putts" in
such a way as the pro player should take 1-2 shots to get in the
basket without error. A "green" thereby becomes, say, a 150 ft.
circle around a basket without obstacles. The "green" shrinks as
obstacles are introduced. Once we have the proper definition in place
by which to make a parallelism putting in disc golf suddenly isn't any
easier than ball golf."

I am not sure that I agree with the 150' analogy, but the point made is something that I have always thuoght of.  I have long considered the 10 meter line a good barometer, but not a true"green".  I have always felt that a 30' radius should be available to the player, but not as a green, but because it is close enough that it should be open for them to have a chance.  THat doesn't mean that I feel that it is the same as a 4-5' putt, but more like a 10' foot putt.....

What are your true thoughts on Par folks.  The argument probably has been going on longer than you haev been playing this sport.......

General Banter / Disc Golf Wrestler out in Olympics
« on: August 20, 2008, 06:41:23 PM »

I played with Ben last year at the Mid America, he was my partner.....we finished as well as he did alone in the olympics.....bad week to draw me as a partner.......even worse week to draw the guy he lost to though.....

Just trying to get people involved.

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