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Cliff Drive / Re: 8-25-14 NE League-How will the course be set up?
« on: August 25, 2014, 10:16:56 AM »
Dick forgot that he had a draft tonight, and I didn't...but it still means we need someone to run league tonight.  Can anyone volunteer for this wonderful night of league?

Cliff Drive / Re: 8-25-14 NE League-How will the course be set up?
« on: August 25, 2014, 08:49:10 AM »
Silly Drew-Hard at work making things better out there for us all.....he moved the baskets to the Tree Love Classic placement for round 1.  With that in mind the following is probably the set up for the league tonight.  I will not be in attendance, but Dick Parker has volunteered to run league tonight for me (Thanks Dick!).  So here is where the pins are at:
14-long (I think across the street?)
17-island (May be short)
18-long uphillshort

If I were running league, I would do as we did last week, which is play #1 to the practice basket, then play the 2 in the woods, then skip #7 out of the woods, and play from #17 pad to #18 basket.

That should curtail some daylight.  You can of course play the hangar, and the short pin on #11 to go a little shorter out there, but ultimately it is the group decision or of course the TD!


Please try to be ready to go by 5:45 so that we can be done with everyone by darkfall.  Reminder, next week is the holiday and there will be NO League at the NE courses, please enjoy time with family and friends, if you need that competitive fix, head out to OooooooooLAYTHA!

Tournaments / Re: Tree Love Classic-PDGA C-Tier-Cliff Drive Sat Sept 13
« on: August 20, 2014, 01:51:15 PM »
PROBABLE PROBABLE pin locations for the TLC IV
Round 1
4-Red-Short Right
6-White-Long Tunnel
7-Blue-Long up on hill
14-Blue-Across the Road
15-White-Long by #16 pad
18-Red-By the road

Round 2
1-Red-Short around corner
6-White-Long Tunnel
7-White-Middle up on hill
15-Red-Under the tree
16-White-Long by Water fountain
17-Red-Short (Provided it is fixed/replaced)
18-Blue-Long Practice basket

These are what we are looking at based on last year's format.  The 2 meter rule IS IN EFFECT.  This event will CAP at 72.  Do NOT MISS IT.

Cliff Drive / 8-25-14 NE League-How will the course be set up?
« on: August 20, 2014, 09:17:31 AM »
1-Practice Basket
2-1st new hole in the woods
3-2nd new hole in the woods
4-#2-Long (will move it)
7-#5-Long (will move it)
8-#6 right tunnel
9-#8 Hangar
10-#9 only
11-#10 Middle
13-#12 Only
15-#14 Long
16-#15 short
17-#16 Long
18-From 17 pad to Blue Practice Basket on long #18

This is a longer format, we will want to get going no later than 5:45 to really get done in time.  I hope to be out there by 5:40 so we will be cutting it close, but I know you can make it and you will want to have fun with this layout.  The Ace fund is sitting at $535, some good chances out there to enjoy for certain.

Cliff Drive / Re: Pin Placements
« on: August 20, 2014, 09:05:45 AM »
Updated page 1

8/20 Cliff Drive. Sign up at 5:30 so we can get started earlier. We will be playing the following modified LDO layout:

1-Practice basket left
2-(new hole in woods)
3-2nd new hole in woods)
9-#8 (Hangar)
12-Road shot by #18 pin to blue practice basket (LDO hole)
13-#11 (Short right red pin)
18-#17 pad to uphill #18 pin. Tee off from the right of the pad.

What this means #1 to the practice, then go to the new temp pad, play the 2 new holes in the woods.  Then play the course as normal through existing hole #6, the last hole "in the woods", once you come out you will SKIP #7, and play from #8 pad to the hangar, then play #9, and #10, after #10 you go to the tree by #18 on the road (the tree to the South, or the FIRST tree when playing #18), play from the road where it is marked LDO to the Blue practice basket, then play #11 to the short Red practice basket, then go to #12, then #13, then skip #14, and walk just to the pad on #15 and play it, and then #16 Long (water fountain) and then tee either on the pad on #17 or to the front of the pad (you will see a painted line) to #18 long on the hill.

I hope this helps.  We got through the round last night, everyone did within 2 hours.

Cliff Drive / 8/18/14 NE League at Cliff Drive-Post LDO set up
« on: August 19, 2014, 09:41:14 AM »

No ace was hit, it grows to $535.

We had 9 out on a hot hot night to play a version of the LDO layout that added a little teeth, but nothing to monumental.

Jose Ossa had the "heat on" during the round as he shot the best with a 51.  There was a tie then for second place between Dick Parker and Peter Bures with a 53.  Though Dick did have 6 birdies, he balanced that with a 5 and many a missed putt, as did Peter as well, so at times, yes Peter and Dick were short....HEEYY-OOOO!  It was balanced out though as the rest of the pro playing field all shot a 54 on the course......which speaking of 54's that happened to be the Advanced best in Ryan Westa who knew he shot better than an 825 that he did last week, in fact over 100 points better at a 936, and Bill Shinoski continues to improve week over week at Cliff.  Bill has only played below his rating 2x, and is averaging 19 points over his rating at Cliff.  I only wish I could say the same.

Missed a chance on the easiest layout of the year last night, and want to try it?  Want to get a better round rating on the course?
Wednesday Night Wandering League will be in the same format and with more people playing it will make for different ratings.

Next week we will play a continuation of shorter and "newer" holes as the daylight erodes, we play to have fun, and as football gets closer, we play to mot miss the games, but still get our disc fix on.

See you next week, or I won't that decision is yours.

Tournaments / Tree Love Classic-PDGA C-Tier-Cliff Drive Sat Sept 13
« on: August 18, 2014, 03:18:57 PM »

When: Saturday, September 13th, 2014
Where: Cliff Drive Disc Golf Course at Kessler Park
What: PDGA C-Tier Tournament, KC Mini Series Event
Why: Raise money to plant trees at the course
Fees: All Open Divisions- $45
All Amateur Divisions - $35
Ace Fund - $2
Non-PDGA Members - Additional $10

*Amateur Divisions Will Play for Trophy Discs*

Check-In by 8:30 am - Players Meeting at 9:00
72 Players Maximum - Pre-Registration is Required by 6pm Sept. 12th.
*Ams Must be Pre-Registered by Friday September 5th at 6pm to receive a Players Pack*

Online registration will be available soon.

Yes it is.  We will be working with them in the future to help promote as well as raise awareness about disc golf to them.  Unfortunately this is the first year to try something like this, they no idea of the community support behind disc golf.

We will work with them in the future to get better dates (no conflict) as well as raising their awareness.

Though on the same day as the TLC this is a GREAT charity event and if you can attend please do.  As for those of us playing in the TLC, I wil be donating in lieu of playing so you may think to do the same.

Cliff Drive / Re: No more cars at Cliff
« on: August 18, 2014, 03:02:50 PM »
Another thought...
Having a hard time finding any "scenic byways" that are closed to cars with the exception of weather.......anyone else finding them? I just started to look but I am curious how you close a scenic byway.....

National Scenic Byway. A National Scenic Byway is a ROAD recognized by the United States Department of Transportation for one of the six "intrinsic qualities": archeological, cultural, historic, natural, recreational, and/or scenic.

So I get that accordingly the plan states that in title 7 division 10 chapter 12 section 226.797 (3) If the commission designates a road or highway under its jurisdiction as a scenic byway, it may implement protective measures to preserve and protect the designated road which may include but shall not be limited to: (A) Acquisition of scenic easements; (B) Controlled access; and (C) Landscaping.

So if I am reading this correctly for the road you may be able to do this, but the problem isn't along the road, the problem is along the banks of the park, and not part of the scenic byway. The Scenic BYWAY is only the ROAD.

IN all honesty when reading and reviewing this document there are many items that clearly indicate this is a designation to be DRIVEN on. The membership committee (Scenic Byways Advisory Committee-SBAC) is made up of: MO div of tourism, MO Dept Conservation, Mo Dept of Natural Resources (all can claim that this is ok so far then....) Outdoor Advertising Industry, MO Highways and Transportation Dept, and the American Automobile Association, (all car things huh?) and then University of Mo Historic Preservation, and finally Scenic MO Inc.

Since this is a drastic change in the plan by the attempt to remove traffic of cars on the road, has a revision of the plan been sent to the SBAC on this issue?

I really feel as though this is a fast ram rod approach to a painful situation. I get all the crap that happens is irritating, for crying out loud I have been out there for 15 years working on it. I just can't in good conscience knowing that the work that we have done in the past with the agencies involved, knowing what needs to be done to think that closing the gates at Cliff Drive is the answer. It isn't.

Cliff Drive / Re: Blind Guy Playing Tree Love?
« on: August 18, 2014, 03:00:29 PM »
we will work with everyone to make it work for certain.  Great storyline.  You complain about trees?  We raise funds to help grow them in the right spot, and then have a blind guy play in one of the most heavily forested courses in the area.......(I would state Down Under as the only one with more.....)

Cliff Drive / Re: No more cars at Cliff
« on: August 18, 2014, 02:58:43 PM »
Agreeing with Glover.....
I am completely against it.

Said community leaders really think that they are doing all this work that is new to them, and old hat to us.

The bottom line is this, Brett Shoffner (ERTA-Trails why we are adjusting the course and losing a couple of holes) has a lot of energy.  That energy is very similar to the energy that I brought there back when we started to remove all the trash, all the honeysuckle, etc....  So what he is not wanting to see or the thought is that closing the gates will deter dumping.

As we are painfully aware of dumping will continue.  When the gates are closed, they will dump along the roads that don't require access...think disc golf I envision it being a more problematic issue with regards to the work that we will be needing to do. 

Now over time we have been able to continue to work the land so that as dumping occurs we can generally get it out quickly.  So there is some merit in the notion that having it cleaned helps to remove it faster.  That though also presents another challenge for me on a personal note.  It is Cliff Drive, it is not Cliff Trail, not Cliff Walk, not Cliff Ride.  I moved to the area because of that drive, and closing it will impact people that don't know about it, all they will see is gates closed, and wonder....hmmm....and go do something different.

I am fearful that closing the gates will create an elitist atmosphere and not conducive to the overall betterment of the park.

And I get where Brett is coming from.  He is working on areas that we worked on and walked away from, he is seeing things that are new to him, and old to me.  So maybe his energy is better served to make this happen as he doesn't have time constraints that I have now.  I don't know, but I do know that many reading this helped over the past 15 years to build a better place to play.  I also know that at no point did we think that closing the gates permanently was the idea to fix the issue.

Education and enforcement are the answers, but we don't seem to have the civic leaders and authority enforcing that.

So I for one am against the petition to close the gates permanently.  If there was a timeline stated for an actual cleanup and start and end objective I may be more on board.  Right now I am not.

Infact I am hesitant to work a new disc golf course into the mix until this subject is put to rest.  A disc golf course that you have to walk over a mile to get to isn't exactly the way I want to invite people to play, and that would be required or the building of another parking lot, taking away green space which I already think is a bad idea.

Now to do something great this weekend, come out and help at Cliff to get us ready for the Lion's Den Open.  That you can count on to be a fun and energetic event.

Cliff Drive / Re: No more cars at Cliff
« on: August 18, 2014, 01:03:40 PM »
I really think that may be a better option Doug.  I am going to suggest that in all honesty.  Just as we get people adapted to the "car free weekends" at Cliff though, this may be harder to contend with.  Also since we do most of our cleanup on the weekends, I would hate to see that be the case.

I am against the closing of the gates permanently.

You don't have enough time to read the reasoning why, and if you do, start to look at some of my facebook posts....

Cliff Drive / Re: PDGA LEAGUE-NORTHEAST COURSES-Begins 7/7/14
« on: August 18, 2014, 09:04:14 AM »
No, especially tonight, we will be playing a version of the LDO.
Try to be signed up by 5:45 with teeing off at 6 (I am generally the late one)
2-(new hole in woods)
3-2nd new hole in woods)
9-#8 (Hangar)
12-Road shot by #18 pin to blue practice basket (LDO hole)
13-#11 (Short)
18-#17 pad to uphill #18 pin

If I find a Pink Star Valkyrie from the RAC X on it I will put it back in my bag.   ;D

The area I am working on shouldn't have any discs really, as it hasn't been a part of the course to date.

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