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Cliff Drive / League 8/18 (Chappy & Rick's Bday!!)
« on: August 22, 2008, 11:30:24 am »
12 out for some fun before the Lions Den is opened!
In a SHOCKING happening, Arturo beat everyone....I know you are all in awe.....
Jack-58 (With a SUHWEET putt to beat Danger in a playoff from the road, he missed, I didn't!!!)
Hart Donation-59
Morales-63 (Lateness will no longer be allowed, daylight is to scarce....)
Bill N-66
Lexi-83 (I mis added your mis added....)

Saturday is on, and then back to league on Monday.  See what happens as you too can be a part of the most centralized disc golf league in Kansas City!!!

Cliff Drive / Re: Work Day? 8/16?
« on: August 22, 2008, 11:25:09 am »
The memorial has been removed.  The trash was picked up and placed by #8 where the P&R will pick up next week.  The new teeing area for #1 is underway.

Thanks to:
Dick Parker
Paul Eklund
Dirk Hacker
Mike Penney
Mike Spady
Jack Lowe
for working on #1, 3, 8 last night the course looks better.  We have a ways to go!!  This is the start!

Tournaments / Re: Lion's Den Open VI - August 23rd 2008
« on: August 22, 2008, 10:13:10 am »
spady as well! ;D

Tournaments / Re: Lion's Den Open VI - August 23rd 2008
« on: August 21, 2008, 02:52:25 pm »
Happy Birthday and all....but we need help tonight at CLiff to get ready.  If you can come help from 6-8:30 tonight, It would be good karma.

We need to work on hole #8 where we set up.

may do a few tweaks on the new pad for #1, but that is only after we get the area clean at hole 1.

Need extra hands more than anything else.  Wear long sleeves and pants, its just getting the weeds out of there are we cut it out.

Have some people willing to help, but can use more!!



Club Archives / Re: Par-how to define @ Worlds
« on: August 21, 2008, 02:48:21 pm »
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So the sport may never change because it is sort of an unsolvable problem.  But it is interesting to talk about and theorize solutions. 


Club Archives / Re: Par-how to define @ Worlds
« on: August 21, 2008, 01:17:46 pm »
There are no Par 2's, nor should there be IMO, and the rest of the PDGA.  They tried this in 2001, and abolished it in 2002.

The minimum par is 3, as it should be.  Even though I agree with many points, the simple fact is that you have to allow a shot (drive), an attempt to get to the "green" (see my earlier comment) and then a chance to make it.  I personally feel as though the "green" should be about 2-2.5x what it currently is, somewhere between 60-75' should be considered the green.

And Par for competition is required, though it is not as important because ultimately score matters, but in the absence of a player, our rules are set in place to allow for the standard.  That is why you see more inflated pars at larger events.  It punishes a player for missing a hole that maybe more difficult to achieve a 3 on in normal play, hence the 4-5's that show up on courses that you would not normally think of.  Why cliff drive has a par 4 on long 13, a normal player may go OB and end up with a 6 relatively ok, and then have a player show up late and only gain one stroke, not fair.  Having that player take an 8 though is much more fair, and punishable accordingly.

17 at WyCo, I have seen 3's there by a few people, Hemmeline almost got a 2 (Freaking lefty lines on that hole with his arm are sick!)  I however am always glad to get a 4, and feel that it is a par 4, one to get past the trees, one to get up closer, then I should be on the fringe of the green and have 2 shots (my green here not 10 meters).

You could also throw out all of this and go strictly on distance, and create a standard that way.  There have been many comments and suggestions on par, do seom research not only in here, but also the PDGA forum for more questions to lead to more questions, to lead to more questions, to more dicsussions, to more questions, and well were back where we started (as Ray Daives would say)

Club Archives / Re: Par-how to define @ Worlds
« on: August 21, 2008, 12:32:06 pm »
par+4 not 3

Club Archives / Par-how to define @ Worlds
« on: August 21, 2008, 09:33:01 am »
The topic in the other thread is giong adrift.

I personally think that the way that Par is designed is inherent with faults.  We have differing viewpoints on what it should be, but yesterday there was a topic that I was reading that hit it right on the head.
Mark Ritner  wrote:
> "The real reason for the ridiculous scoring relative to ball golf:
putting is way easier in disc golf."That depends on what you define as
a "putt". Shots from the 10 meter line are the equivalent of 4-5 ft.
putts in ball golf. To get similar scoring distributions to ball golf
greens we can simply define our "green" and thereby our "putts" in
such a way as the pro player should take 1-2 shots to get in the
basket without error. A "green" thereby becomes, say, a 150 ft.
circle around a basket without obstacles. The "green" shrinks as
obstacles are introduced. Once we have the proper definition in place
by which to make a parallelism putting in disc golf suddenly isn't any
easier than ball golf."

I am not sure that I agree with the 150' analogy, but the point made is something that I have always thuoght of.  I have long considered the 10 meter line a good barometer, but not a true"green".  I have always felt that a 30' radius should be available to the player, but not as a green, but because it is close enough that it should be open for them to have a chance.  THat doesn't mean that I feel that it is the same as a 4-5' putt, but more like a 10' foot putt.....

What are your true thoughts on Par folks.  The argument probably has been going on longer than you haev been playing this sport.......

General Banter / Disc Golf Wrestler out in Olympics
« on: August 20, 2008, 06:41:23 pm »

I played with Ben last year at the Mid America, he was my partner.....we finished as well as he did alone in the olympics.....bad week to draw me as a partner.......even worse week to draw the guy he lost to though.....

Just trying to get people involved.

Tournaments / Re: Lion's Den Open VI - August 23rd 2008
« on: August 20, 2008, 12:14:35 pm »
Needing Mini Baskets, who has ';em?  Who can bring them?

Need to work on the area by #8....

This has little to do with the meeting.  Par will be intact with our courses as is the case.  We know what it is, and will make it accordingly.  We will not artificially change par to make it go up or down.   Deal with it.

Now come to the meeting to help, don't spout in the forum, lets get some action, and meet the pavement with your feet and make a difference.

After this meeting, very little will be in the discussion room about the worlds, and only those in the special group thread will have access to the information that is being discussed.

Join the crowd, make a difference, and learn how to really help. (in person not online!)

Sorry, but very few people are really showing me that they want to help by actually putting forth the effort. 

It starts NOW, it actually already started, but we are willing to pick you up at the next stop if you are ready to board!!

Tournaments / Re: Lion's Den Open VI - August 23rd 2008
« on: August 19, 2008, 05:30:07 pm »
Angie, you can gladly come and have beers first then play the Wonderful [/b] Cliff Drive.

Found and Lost / Re: 10x roc at WW
« on: August 19, 2008, 02:20:57 pm »
it was white, then painted red to be disguised, then someone painted it yellow...and now its lost...... ??? :o

WYCO / Re: ACE ALERT!!! Wyco League results: Aug 8, 2008
« on: August 18, 2008, 04:22:33 pm »
bring a case of beer, and save the $$ for the USDGC, then come back home and have a winners party for your performance there!!!!!!

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