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Cliff Drive / PDGA LEAGUE-NORTHEAST COURSES-Begins 7/7/14
« on: June 30, 2014, 02:11:09 PM »
Appropriately 7-7=14 on Monday night I will run the PDGA league at Cliff Drive again.

Here is the scheduled locations and probable pin settings:
7-7-14-Longer as it sits now, I may move a few things this week, but doubtful.  All nickels.
7-14-14-Shortening some holes, playing to practice baskets on #1, #8, #11
7-21-14-Try to use new holes #1 and #2 in this format will skip playing #9, #17, #18, play from #17pad to #18, all nickles
7-28-14-Back to all nickels.  Moderate length
8-4-14-BLUE VALLEY NIGHT-Mixture of "executive and BIG Course, kicking out 14, 17, 18, will have maps.
8-11-14-Pre Lion's Den Layout-SHORTY-SHORT SHORT-hope to have new places in play here.
8-18-14-Post LDO format-same unless we do it differently.
8-25-14-Starting to shorten the course for loss of daylight
9-1-14-Labor Day No League
9-8-14-A few more shorter holes
9-15-14-last league of PDGA night, TLC layout from final round (believe that is the weekend before)
9-22-14-Non PDGA League-Random Doubles
9-29-14-Last League of Season-Group decision, thinking about bagtag doubles-then alternate short format

Food for thought, but wanting to mix it up a little on the league play out here at Cliff.  Next year hopefully someone else will run it, but in the future, big belief that Cliff will attempt to be the experimental league with all notions open to try.  Including Triples, and format nights, ala 6-6-6, etc for people to experiment and learn new games.

I missed this in the league manual so we will try to be more different moving forward out here.  Also while you are in here looking, be advised that much work is about to be started at Cliff Drive in the upcoming months to alter the configuration.  We have lost many trees, and Drew has started the Tree Fund for a reason out here.  It is exciting and hard to deal with change, but I am hopeful that the changes that take place will enamor you more to this great place to play disc golf!

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Tournaments / Re: Mid-America Open Columbia MO
« on: June 30, 2014, 09:54:15 AM »
Storm was obviously coming in, so I didn't set it up.  After playing in the rain, and the rain delay.....I went up and had some of the dinner they provided (great food BTW) and went to hotel took a shower, went out to eat in the dryness of the restaurant.

Dodgebee wasn't orchestrated at this time....however I hope to have it ready to go for the LDO.

Courses were in some pretty good shape out there for the most part.  Obviously very hot.  People were great, my play was atrocious.  I think I know how to play this game....but it doesn't show.  I also think that I have something wrong in my right shoulder, so I may be taking off playing time for the month of July and focus on getting Cliff Ready for the LDO.

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Beginners / Re: Zoysa
« on: June 27, 2014, 10:11:19 AM »
you will never get basket areas to grow grass on heavily used courses unless you move the pins often......tilling and sod are really the best options.  I tried tilling and seeding for the past 3 years in my own yard, finally broke down and tilled and sod, and yard looks much better now....the issue in our courses is that we use them frequently and it causes soil compaction http://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/Tillage/soil-compaction/index.html and we harm the ground and truly do prevent it from being able to get the nutrients it needs to flourish.....why we chip and mulch so much around the baskets and the teeing areas, those are places that everyone walks by all the time.....

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No frills, but after the Holiday, I will be returning the NE league to the Monday Night PDGA league.  I am uncertain who has been running it, but if someone is, I will help make it happen.  Just means an extra $1 on league night for the PDGA, and that portion that comes to the club will continue to be added to the TLC funds for the course.

Please let me know your thoughts.

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Tournaments / Re: Mid-America Open Columbia MO
« on: June 25, 2014, 04:09:53 PM »
They played it in Japan, and boy it was CRAZY!  I think that I want to test run it at MAO this weekend and see if we can get it for LDO.

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Water Works / Re: Pin Movement At Water Works
« on: June 25, 2014, 02:46:45 PM »
It is a silly placement as well, really unsafe all the way around since the shrubberies were removed.  It is bad enough you have people on 14 throwing at people on 15, now you want people on 15 throwing at people on 14 as well.  Hatfields and McCoys come to mind....

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Tournaments / Re: Mid-America Open Columbia MO
« on: June 25, 2014, 02:40:02 PM »
G$ is going, I think that Marc "wizzinator" is going as well.  This is my gift to Dick Parker for running a great Wide Open.  I think he did a great job, and it works nicely that after watching people play all last weekend, he can get to play this weekend.  I of course hope to beat his punk broken wrecked car excuse of a player ass, but hey, I suck as well, so who knows!

Good times, and it is the 30th.  I hope to start off the Dodgebee revolution as well!  http://www.dodgebee.com/

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Forgive my ignorance, but why did C pool ratings affect the B pool ratings for the first round at Swope? Not a big deal, but I thought separate pools playing the same course at different times were considered stand alone.

Thanks

They don't.  There is an initial ratings and that is unofficial.  Once the event becomes official then the rating typically do drop a few points.  Each round played is the ratings, not the course.  It based entirely on the field playing that course during those times.  The ONLY time that it may be reviewed is when there are tee times and weather is a factor.  This is another reason that Tee-Times aren't the best for disc golf events.

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General Banter / Re: Best 3 courses in town?
« on: June 24, 2014, 08:45:46 AM »
Played Tokken a few times, including year 1 up there.  I haven't been up there probably in close to 10 years now, so Bird's Ruin it is I will take a peek if I get up there.  I know that the Dirty Birds on this forum are probably already flocking at the idea of how to play another BIRD course.

Bottom line, we have many great places to play.  2-3 days won't cut it.  Come play what you read looks to be good, and then plan another trip back to the area to play different ones.

Baskets were back in at Cliff as well, so everything should be set.

As for maps, many of the courses in the listing below will have a sticky for the maps.  Some are slightly outdated, but we haven't really shaken up too many courses from what you may see on there for now.

Enjoy.

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General Banter / Re: Best 3 courses in town?
« on: June 23, 2014, 02:02:39 PM »
Hopefully the baskets will be replaced today at Cliff Drive.  We pulled them for the great KC Bike Race this past weekend.  I will make sure that they get replaced tomorrow if they don't do it today, but chances are they got them up today again.

I love Madison courses as well.  I think that I will be attending the Mad City Open again after probably a 10 year hiatus.  It typically is on the same weekend as the Lion's Den Open here in KC, and well that one is kinda special.  This year it is a week earlier (Aug 18th) so the trek is looking like a possibility!

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Cliff Drive / Courses CLOSED THIS WEEKEND!
« on: June 18, 2014, 01:52:52 PM »
CLIFF DRIVE WILL BE CLOSED TO PLAY FOR THE BIKE RACE THAT WILL BE RUNNING THROUGH THE COURSE AREA!!

Obviously the courses in some places will be closed to the competitive play for the Annual Wide Open-
Friday-Courses Closed-
WyCo
Swope
Cliff Drive (Pulling baskets for a Bike race this weekend on Friday-replacing on Monday)

Saturday-Courses Closed-
WyCo
Swope
Blue Valley
Cliff Drive
Rosedale Top (Until 1 PM)
Rosedale Down Under (Until 1 PM)


Sunday-Courses Closed-
All Day-

Swope
Cliff Drive
Until 1:00 PM
WyCo
Blue Valley
Water Works


Please visit the other area courses to play, or better yet come help, can't do that, then come and watch the top pros and top am's in the country compete in this event that appears to be heading close to 350 players called the Kansas City Wide Open!!!

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General Banter / Courses CLOSED THIS WEEKEND!
« on: June 18, 2014, 01:52:05 PM »
Obviously the courses in some places will be closed to the competitive play for the Annual Wide Open-
Friday-Courses Closed-
WyCo
Swope
Cliff Drive (Pulling baskets for a Bike race this weekend on Friday-replacing on Monday)

Saturday-Courses Closed-
WyCo
Swope
Blue Valley
Cliff Drive
Rosedale Top (Until 1 PM)
Rosedale Down Under (Until 1 PM)


Sunday-Courses Closed-
All Day-

Swope
Cliff Drive
Until 1:00 PM
WyCo
Blue Valley
Water Works


Please visit the other area courses to play, or better yet come help, can't do that, then come and watch the top pros and top am's in the country compete in this event that appears to be heading close to 350 players called the Kansas City Wide Open!!!

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Can I get some Wyco clarrification on these:

7: Far beyond OB is the same line as 9 left side OB? Yes

9: There is OB beyond (inbetween basket and road) making it tighter than the road itself? It will be as in the caddy book; at the road. I'll be correcting it today.

12: Does the OB line for left side of 13 come into play? Yes

17: Does the OB line for right side of 9 come into play for right side of 17? Yes

Thanks.

One day I will learn to be shorter in my responses.....but not today! ;D

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Can I get some Wyco clarrification on these:

7: Far beyond OB is the same line as 9 left side OB?

That should be correct.  The OB line doesn't change, and once a line is OB it is OB for the entire field.

9: There is OB beyond (inbetween basket and road) making it tighter than the road itself?

I believe that this was answered with this posting by the wonderful T-Dub
I have a question about #9 at Wyco.  Caddy book shows the OB on left and right goes all the way to the road (straight ahead).  I just played there and it's painted OB short of the road.  It cuts in front of the the pin that is  straight ahead.  So is the caddy book wrong?  I get the OB on the left and right.  I don't understand it straight ahead when you have the road there.     

The caddy book shows the way I described to Dick several weeks ago how I would lay it out.  However, I forgot what I told him and laid it out in the slightly less forgiving formation as is painted. Dick has told me to fix it to match the caddy book.  It shall be done.

12: Does the OB line for left side of 13 come into play?

Yes once an OB line it OB the entire area for each existing and touching point.  Same as the early statement.  OB line's aren't OB for just one hole, they are for the entire course and other fairways come into play because of this, then they are OB.

17: Does the OB line for right side of 9 come into play for right side of 17?

Thanks.

Same answer on many of the questions.  Any OB line is OB for the course in this configuration.  Having the line be OB one part of the course and not the other is counter intuitive and will cause issues with everyone playing.  The goal on "defined OB" is to strengthen the toughness of the course and require better placement by the advance level playing field.  Thus "requiring" or FORCING a better shot selection and also increasing the risk/reward component. 

I hope that this helps.

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