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General Banter / Re: 2015 KC Schedule and surrounding area
« on: February 04, 2015, 01:29:19 PM »
Agree, I think the Midwest Doubles Championship could really pull away talent from the team challenge.  I know I would choose Kansas first, but some people really love their doubles.

Joe, were you still considering using Lakeside Hills for the Saturday, alt shot round?  If so, perhaps we could work with the MDC organizer to have them start early (like 8:00 am tee). Then take a 3 hour or so lunch to allow the Team Challenge to use the course.  When the Team Challenge is done, then they start their afternoon round. Plenty of daylight early June to pull it off. Doing this makes it so neither event has to change dates, in addition to allowing players to participate in both, if they choose. 

It's a fine solution for one year, but Team Challenge has foothold on claim for first weekend in June.  I don't think the Team Challenge should have to accommodate the new event every year.  So making an exception this year may only set precedence for continued conflict on this weekend.

Lakeside was #1 on my list for Alternate-shot Saturday.  I think the team challenge is turning into a pretty awesome event for KC, and I would really like to see the first weekend in June locked down for years to come...with the exception of KCWO needing that weekend.  DDKC? Chime in, and let us know what we can work out.

I think there could be a lot of people from surrounding areas that would be interested in playing the Midwest Doubles Championships...

How about the Midwest Team Championships!?!?!

Could be an idea for the future.

General Banter / Re: 2015 KC Schedule and surrounding area
« on: February 04, 2015, 01:02:41 PM »
Not listed on the PDGA site.

Completely agree with Tracy on this, especially since the MO KAN BEAT KANSAS event is something that we all want to see.....

June 6th - Midwest Doubles Championship - B Tier - (Lakeside Hills, Olathe, KS)

That doubles event is in conflict, locally, with the Club's Team Challenge Event.  It wasn't on the BoD's calendar when I attended the board meeting, in January, to finalize the date for the Team Challenge.  I don't think it is fair to make locals choose between the two events.  As such, one of them should be rescheduled.  Who is organizing the Midwest doubles event?

Agree, I think the Midwest Doubles Championship could really pull away talent from the team challenge.  I know I would choose Kansas first, but some people really love their doubles.

General Banter / Re: 2015 KC Schedule and surrounding area
« on: February 03, 2015, 11:46:28 AM »
Wichita should have their tourneys going again this year, just haven't seen anything posted about them yet.

Derby Fore Father's Fling - April 11th

Tournaments / Re: Newcomer's first PDGA experience gone wrong.....
« on: February 03, 2015, 07:32:09 AM »
Can't we just give Texas back to Mexico already?  What a shame.  These people need to be banned from tourneys all together.

General Banter / Re: 2015 KC Schedule and surrounding area
« on: February 02, 2015, 12:54:19 PM »
Other notables within a day-trip,

March 21 - Discs Unlimited Open - Herington, KS (Unsanctioned)
April 18/19 - The Rock - Salina, KS (Unsanctioned)
April 25/26 - Idle Hour Open - Altamont, KS PDGA (B-tier)
May 9 - Little Apple Open - Manhattan, KS (B-tier)

EAST vs. West Event May 6.

Believe EvW will be June 6/7

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: January 21, 2015, 12:42:08 PM »
Hey Tracy

Did we figure out a good weekend to run the Team Challenge?  Does June 6 & 7 work again?

Tournaments / Re: 2015 Ice Bowl
« on: January 09, 2015, 01:30:00 PM »
Fun and Money for the Charity, yes yes it is.  It can't all be about the money though that helps.  It is about helping others who need it, so planning the event/venues was something that I worked with hard.  Just didn't want people to feel as "rushed" as they may have in the past, so this year I was hopeful that not only would this enable us to raise more money, but also allow for a better experience on the 25th for all to enjoy, and little more camaraderie time for us all.

We need more Chug Rum Balls to enjoy don't we, and less waiting in line to throw? ;D 

Agreed, this is way better.  And the money will still be there, and perhaps more with people playing more than 1 round.

General Banter / Re: Local ponds at coures.
« on: December 23, 2014, 08:24:17 AM »
Don't throw in the water.

If I lose one in the water and I am not willing to go in and get it or find something to pull it out, that means I gave up, therefore it is lost.  It is free game to someone else in my opinion.  I lost one in the pond at PC on Sunday.  Didn't feel like swimming, so whoever finds it, throw it well.

If it goes in the water, it was most likely a bad shot that you didn't commit to, therefore you didn't trust the disc anyway, so you need to be rid of it.

Also if someone is there at the time when you throw your shot in the water swimming for discs or raking, and gets your disc out for you....give them a couple $'s at least.  Because they saved you from having to go swimming.

Now discs in the woods or left in the fairways....that's a different story.  RETURN them to their owner.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: December 23, 2014, 08:10:21 AM »
So who's running this now? Not team captains, but the big picture. Serious question. Tracy?

Tracy started this thing, and if he is willing, I think he should always be the main man behind the scenes.  Besides, he has the 2-time defending champs trophy, and we will need it back to fill in that 4th side with West Side names.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: December 23, 2014, 08:04:27 AM »
Joe, great idea to hold a mini match play event for the remaining qualifying spots on  the West Side.  That'll be interesting and exciting. I'm glad you're calling out the qualifying process now. It will give people a chance to start preparing.

This is an elitist event.  We have plenty of come one, come all and/or first come, first served tournaments.  I pushed format changes the past two years to make the event as simple as possible to manage and for others to understand. I believe the event is in good shape now. I want the 16 playing spots on each team to be coveted, highly sought after.  Expanding the rosters will only serve to diminish the value of qualifying for this event.  As such, let's not do anything to change the actual event format and let some tradition establish itself.

Tracy, I agree with everything you are saying.  One should definitely have to work hard and earn their spot on one of these elite teams.  This is not for the casual golfer.  This is a team event built for the best vs. the best.  The only reason I want it raised to 20 people is if, and only if, we are going to add a women's and junior's division.  I don't want to take away 4 of the 16 coveted spots for women and children. 

BUT, I don't believe we should just add Women and children divisions because there is 2 women and 1 kid that wants to play.  They should have to earn their spot on a team just as the men do.  Which means there needs to be more competitive women and juniors.  Just because 1 side has 2 women that want to play, doesn't mean the other team should have to go out and find 2 women "that don't necessarily want to play" to fill their spots.

If ladies and juniors want on the teams, I suggest they start recruiting some friends that they can compete against.  And we could hold a Women's and/or Juniors ONLY Qualifier.

But until there is enough interest from numbers of women and kids...I suggest we just leave it to 16.  And if 1 lady/kid really wants to play....they can QUALIFY, like the rest of us.

Start working on your game east side....

Kansas has had a couple new and old ringers move to town   ;D

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: December 19, 2014, 03:06:33 PM »
I will likely follow the 6-6-4 qualifying format as well, with 6 spots selected at the Rosedale Open.

As for course selection, we should be playing at a course that plays to the EAST SIDE's strengths, and I have a few ideas on that front.  However, that discussion should take place in a more private setting.  :-X

First of all, keep your Qualifiers in your own state.

Secondly, Heritage and Lakeside are bluff moves to get you to go practice them.  Meanwhile, we will be practicing on our own private temp course, that will only be revealed to Least-siders on tee-time.  ;D

Last.....what strengths?

No way on the Thursday, Friday , Saturday nonsense. Most of us aren't jobless touring pros.

3 days, 4 rounds,  is my vote.

Pro pool
Friday Lakeside tee times
Saturday WW 2 times
Sunday Swope and final 9

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: December 19, 2014, 01:52:54 PM »
Also,  I believe there are a lot of people that would like to earn a spot to play in this thing, and only 16 spots available.  So, if there is enough interest from women and juniors on both sides, I vote we just add 4 extra spots and play 20 vs 20.  But I am not going to go out recruiting women and kids.  If you want to play, speak up.

But remember ladies, this is not just a casual day on the course with the gals.  This is Blue vs. Black, West vs. East, Kansas vs. Missouri....where winning is everything.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2015
« on: December 19, 2014, 01:45:38 PM »
If I get the job of leading the west side again, this is what I would suggest for West Side Qualifying.  You East siders can fill your team however you want. 

16 players - 4 alternates

6 spots given to Top 6 finishers at Kan-U-Wyco or Rosedale Open, TBD. 

6 spots given to Lowest scores at one chosen league on the Kansas side, TBD.

4 spots given at a last chance Qualifier, open to all west side participants.  But will be played in Match-play format.  Names drawn from hat and put into Bracket.  9-hole Matches.  Winners move on until there remain only 4.  Course TBD.

4 Captains picks.

All 12 Qualifiers from the first 2 qualifying events are guaranteed to play all 3 rounds of Team Challenge, unless they can't play or want to sit out a round.  The 4 Captains picks and last 4 qualifiers will get to play at least 1 round and up to 3.  It wasn't a problem on our team last year, but I believe some East siders were pretty bummed that they qualified and didn't get to play all 3.  This will make it easier for the Captain to ask people to sit out a round.

I know you are all going to throw out opinions on how the last chance match-play qualifier would be hard to work.  And causes a headache.  But it would be my headache if I was running it.  I believe it would be fun for players to have to win those last spots by a different format than just low score.  And besides, anyone can beat anyone in Match-play, as we seen Jake Bowen beat me in the singles round  :o

Saturday alternate shot course on the Kansas side:

Heritage Park (If finished)

1st weekend in June was a pretty solid weekend last year to run this event.  Hope that works again.

Any scores on this?  Who was crowned the DU Kingpin for the day?

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