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General Banter / Re: West Side Team Page (2016 Qualifier a
« on: February 22, 2016, 01:52:35 PM »
Is that for the ladies too or will that be at Diva Feeva? or something else?

Still working on the details for that.  Waiting on the East side to get enough ladies together that are interested? 
But no, Wyco will not be the ladies qualifier.

General Banter / West Side Team (2016 Qualifier Announcement)
« on: February 22, 2016, 08:24:07 AM »
2016 West Side First Qualifier


5 qualifying spots plus ties to be given out.

Get signed up soon!!!

Found and Lost / Left mini basket at Swope
« on: February 18, 2016, 06:39:53 AM »
Left my mini basket full of minis at swope last night. Its by the shelter.Please let me know if anybody picks it up today.
Joe 913-620-5881

Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: February 18, 2016, 06:37:51 AM »
Left my mini basket full of minis at swope last night. Please let me know if anybody picks it up today.
Joe 913-620-5881

Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: February 17, 2016, 09:41:26 AM »
Wednesday Night Glow is heading to Swope.  Random Draw Doubles@6:15.  $5 to play, $1 extra for ace fund.

Ace fund @ $45 after last week's sneaky ace. 

All mandos and OB's in play, with some other surprises TBA.     Hint: Bring a mini, a roller, and throw in a crap disc.


Winter Leagues / Wed. Night Glow @ Swope - 6:15pm
« on: February 15, 2016, 01:56:44 PM »
Wednesday Night Glow is heading to Swope.  Random Draw Doubles@6:15.  $5 to play, $1 extra for ace fund.

Ace fund @ $45 after last week's sneaky ace.  Maybe Zane will bring some $h!!ty beer out to give away.

All mandos and OB's in play, with some other surprises TBA.     Hint: Bring a mini and throw in a crap disc.

Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: February 11, 2016, 10:29:24 AM »
2/10  Rosedale Cali-Single Results:

44 Joe H - $40
46 T-Corp - $24
48 Trober - $16
48 Dresser - $16  (Trober has your money Steve)
49 CooperA - $9
49 Loomis - $9  (I got both of your $ saved back, cooper and dan)
50 CurtisC
50 Harvey
50 Loveall
50 ZaneH
50 Hucke
51 Renzelman
51 McCall
52 BenLutz
52 Stracke
53 GrahamL
53 Martella
57 Neikam
58 MattO
59 Kalie/Alex
60 Mac
62 NeilB

Zane Hesting hit a silent but deadly ace on hole 14 (stairs location) with a thunderbird.  Not sure if skipped or ricocheted, but he was about ready to throw a second drive until we convinced him it was decent.  $45 decent it was!

Next week we will travel to a new location for my 35th birthday party glow doubles.  Location TBD.  But it will be some form of doubles, with some tricks thrown in!
Gonna be nice all week!

More details to come!!

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 09, 2016, 08:55:14 PM »
This article is lengthy and old...from 1997...but I've liked its idea for team golf. However, to my knowledge, no community has ever pulled it off. KC is one of the few towns where we have enough bodies to pull it off, or will in three years, when there will be at least two legend age guys in town.

This is a great article and idea Rick, and I think this is something we need to get started on, but I like the course aspect for teams and the idea of having monthly matches.

The East vs West does not necessarily follow along these guidelines because we play 2 different kinds of doubles and we do a draft before each round.  This allows for strategery by the captains to pair a couple of players with varying talents against a team that looks better or worse, trying to sneak or guarantee a point. 
There are some key aspects of our East vs West that make it a memorable experience that I am hesitant to change this year.
#1 - Qualifying does not mean just showing up or grabbing the only guy/girl left at the course and begging him/her to play.  You have to earn it with your play. (The club provides plenty of opportunities all year long to just show up and play, drink, party, and see if you can finish a round, let alone try to be competitive in it).
#2 - The snake draft.  The players show up to the round (knowing who they're partnered with if you are on my team), but having no idea who you will be matched up against to try to take down.  The draft adds for suspense and excitement when you see who you have to play against. The strategy of trying to win more points than the other team in any given round is not pre-determined by having your best vs their best, 2nd vs 2nd, and so on.
#3 - The Teeing off.  Unlike the idea in this article of starting on every hole of the course, we all tee from the same hole in consecutive order according to the draft.  This makes sure that all players have the opportunity of playing the same holes is sequential order.  And it makes for a hell of a good time watching and rooting for our teammates teeing off before you and waiting for the final cards to come in to see where the points will fall.
#4- 36 players adds to an already large headache of trying to organize 16 players to show up when they are supposed to. 

I know a lot of people wish to play in this event, but IMO the more people we add to this event, the more chance we will need to beg and drag people to show up.  Causing a lack of competition or having to forfeit points because we cannot fill a few roster spots.  And I will not do that to the Kansas team that loves to compete and beat Missouri year in and year out.  It means something to make this team and I do not want to open up 20 more spots just to fill these spots with players because they are there.  They should earn it like the rest. 

So if you want to prove me wrong, show me that there are at least 20 masters, 10 grands, 5 senior grands+legends, 5 women, and 5 juniors for each side that want to legitimately play in the team challenge.  Because there is at least 50+ forty & under players on each side  that are trying for those 16 Open spots.  Opening up 2 Senior Grandmaster spots because there are 2 that want to play just makes everyone else that earned their spot mean a little less.  That is why the women are asked to find at least 3 to compete for one spot/team this year.  And if they find 6 to compete on each side, we will add 2 spots.

However,  I am ready anytime to start putting together Course teams for Last Friday of the Month Match-play competitions of course vs. course.
I do think it would be wiser to start with maybe 16 players/course though to see how the numbers fill.
10 Open
1 Woman
2 Masters
1 Grand
1 Senior or Legend
1 Junior

Start with Olathe, SMP/Wyco, Rosedale, WW, Swope, Cliff/BV, P-hill, Liberty/Wilbur teams.  And see how the numbers fill.  You can play for the course you are nearest in proximity too. If you can't make that team, then put your hat in at the next nearest course.  Start assembling.

Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: February 09, 2016, 07:34:24 PM »
Wednesday Glow @ Rosedale again this week.

6:15 sign in, 6:30 tee

Cali Singles this week.

$5 to play, $1 for Ace fund, starting at $73.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 05, 2016, 06:09:25 PM »
Assuming women are in the competition, would they compete against one another, or would they be in the mix to be pitted against anyone?

From what Joe said if they go the 3 women to qualify route, then they would allow 1 women per team and 1 alternate women per team. Then he would do a Mix card. So each women would have a male partner. Then in singles you would go head to head against the other female.

What The Dick said.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 05, 2016, 02:43:00 PM »
First of all, thanks for all the feedback.

Second, please ignore any rambling I may do, because I have a million ideas floating through my head and will jump around like crazy probably.

Problem #1
The whole reason that we need 6 women to compete that wish to play in the team championship is to make sure we are getting the best women on each team and that one team is left with a default of the only 2 women that wish to play ending up finishing 20th and 30th in the diva tournament.  No offense, but that is not the "best of the best". If there isn't at least 6 women that legitimately want to play and know they can play the weekend of June 18th/19th, then we will end up only getting the 2 women that wanted to play qualifying, regardless if they finished 1st or last.  It is not fair to either side of the line, if one team has 2 good players that qualify out of 6, and the other team has 2 poor players qualify out of 6, because the top 4 competing were not going to be able to play in the team challenge anyway.  Hope that makes some sense.

Problem #2
Diva weekend may not be the best now that I think about it, unless there are a significant amount of women playing that are 1)from KC or surrounding, and 2)Can legitimately play on the team challenge weekend.

My solution...but I need to ok with
I like Amy's idea to get the ball rolling.

I want to summarize some thoughts that have been shared this morning and start a discussion:

For a tournament that is designed to showcase KC's "best of the best," it's important that women earn a place (by defeating other women), and not get there by default." Having a qualifier/qualifiers is totally reasonable. But 3-5 women is a decent showing, even for a large local tournament, and that's from the metro as a whole. Setting a requirement of six women from each state feels like we're being set up to fail. From the most recent PDGA demographics report, the membership was 92% male, 8% female. Using the teams of 16 men as a starting point, that means that adding just one woman to each team, and a qualifying event of 2-3 women would be more likely to succeed, particularly in the shadow of last year's drama (that last fragment is completely my (Amy's) opinion).

Perhaps a better starting place would be 3-4 women minimum (per state) competing for 1-2 spots on each side, with 1 getting the alternate spot. This would convey a sincere interest in opening the event to women, and therefore are encouraging more women to try and qualify.

Lastly, I would remind anyone reading this that I said my intent is to "start a discussion," not to demand rule changes.

It would be better to start with a fewer number of women, and by adding only 1 woman to the team, that frees the captains up to mix and match the match-ups, instead of having to face the same 4 women off against each other for every round.
This would allow women to start to gain ground into the challenge, but not ask for too many to step up too fast.  Of course they would be teamed up with a man in both doubles rounds, but this allows some great strategy to both captains.  Then the women would play against each other in the final singles round.  Could be the deciding match :o

So 3 women competing for 1 spot, + an alternate, sounds like a good starting point.  This could probably be managed on Diva weekend, or we could hold a separate qualifier on each side of the state line on a day that works out best for you ladies.  We just need a YES I WOULD PLAY IN THE TEAM CHALLENGE ON JUNE 18/19, from at least 3 women before the qualifier is held, and at least 3 have to show up and compete.  I don't want 4 women to show up, and then when finished, the top 2 tell me they can't play that weekend, so I am stuck with the bottom 2.  This is not the best of the best.  Agreed?

If and only if Zeke agrees: Then any women from Kansas that wish to qualify, and can play June 18/19, please PM me with your contact info.  From there we can start to work on a date to hold a qualifier that will work for all.  Missouri contact your representative: Zeke
But please wait until I get a response from Zeke, or it might be all for nothing.

With only 1 woman added, I would hope to keep the teams to 16, +4 men alternates, and 1 extra woman alternate.  But that needs to be decided on as well.

JoeT - I'm not sure I want to open that can of worms up this year.  I understand your point, but where do we draw the line?  What about 850 and lower rated players, 40 and older, 50 and older,  lefties, turbo-putters of America. We have had 50 and older players on each side every year.  I think the age discussion will have to wait.  I do not have the time this year.  But you can start a 60 and older team challenge if you like.  Or you can come out and kick some a$$ and qualify.  Maybe we will hold a Wyco qualifier ;D

Think on these ideas and I will do the same.  I'm off to Nashville to golf, eat, drink, and sleep until Tuesday.  I'll check back then.

Tournaments / Re: East Vs. West 2016--June 18th and 19th Location TBD
« on: February 04, 2016, 08:38:01 PM »
2016 Team Challenge:

Zeke and I have discussed…and we are more than willing to open up 2 extra spots + 1 alternate to the WOMEN….if and only if, there is enough interest.  If you ladies would like to compete for your state(Kansas or Missouri) and you live in a 50 mile radius of KC, then show your interest please. 
Women's New Qualifier Rule:  There must be at least 6 or more women on each side that are willing to compete on a single day of play to qualify for 2 spots and 1 alternate
If this qualifier wants to go down on the Diva weekend tourney, that works great too.  We just need to have enough interest from both sides to make it fair.  So speak out, and bring some friends beat for your spot.  If nothing is determined by Mid-March, we will just roll with the same format as the last 2 years. 

Format will change a touch this year.  In order to make the Sunday go faster, and add a little more golf to Saturday the points rounds will be changing slightly.

2016 Format:
16 Players + 4 alternates for each side.  (18 Players + 4 Male alts & 1 Female alt…if women are added)

Saturday June 18th:
8 points available
Best shot doubles Hosted by Missouri (Course TBD)

Sunday June 19th:
24 points available
Kansas Hosts (Course TBD):
Alternate shot doubles - 8 points
Singles - 16 points

Missouri needs 16.5 points to take the Trophy back

I will answer any questions the best I can. But see for all ground rules.

I will announce qualifiers as we get closer to warmer weather, but count on Kan-U-Wyco or Rosedale Open being the first qualifier. TBD

Ladies, speak up!

Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: February 04, 2016, 07:54:12 PM »
2/3 Rosedale 6-6-6 Results:

14 tough MFers out on a cold and windy night.

-5 Tony Martella/CurtCooper  $30
-5 JoeH/TommyJ   $30
-2 Stracke/Trober   $5
-2 Loveall/Hucke   $5
Loveall and Hucke took off and Stracke/trober decided to add the $10 to ace fund rather than split $2.50 four ways.
-1 Renzelman/GregS
0  MikeQ/TCorp
+2 ZaneH/AndrewQ

Ace fund up to $73.


Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: February 02, 2016, 08:19:28 PM »
2/3 Glow travels back to Rosedale.

Random Draw dubs, 6:15 sign in, 6:30 tee. $5 + $1 for ace. Ace fund at $50.

6-6-6 format. Holes 1-6 Best shot, 7-12 Best score, 13-18 Worst Drive.

Go see Ricky Wysocki at DD from 4:30-6:00 and come play some dubs after.

Ps: does anyone know if it is still in ice bowl short set-up or has some pins been moved?

Winter Leagues / Re: Wed. Night Glow @ Harmon Park, 79th & Mission
« on: January 28, 2016, 08:09:58 AM »
1/27 Pro-Am Results:

13 players on a nice warm evening.

Hesting Bros   -16   $37
Loomis/Renzelman  -14  $18
CJ/RobM    -13   $10
Stracke/RyanCecil  -12
Lazzo/AaronM   -12
Tober/Andrew   -11
T-Corp/Cali  -11

Ace fund up to $50

Next week, we gonna get weird!

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