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Thanks for the input.  I am not talking about tournament specific rules, such as no drinking, no smoking etc...  I'm talking about PDGA rule book rules.  PDGA actually has a rule about smoking, under courtesy.  Just make sure it doesn't bother anyone.  I don't say anything about drinking, but I know PDGA sanctioned tourneys have a no drinking/no smoking rule to try and make the event more "family friendly" which is cool with me, for tourney play. 

Here is what I would say are the three major types of rounds and how I think the rules should apply by default.  Any deviation from this should be announced before play.  I.E. casual but tags, tags but OB only, etc..  that way everyone is aware. 

1) Casual/Practice rounds - Rules don't need to be applied, tags are not up for play.  This is what I would say is for trying out new discs, new throws, learning a course, etc... 

2) Competitive rounds - Tags are up for play, PDGA rules apply.  This is what I would say is for league, money, pride/bragging rights etc...

3) Official Play - Tags are up for play, all PDGA rules apply as well as any special tournament rules

I agree that this is about having fun, but I think most Men are competitive by nature.  No offense to the competitive Women out there, I know my wife can be just as competitive as I am, if not more.  I just think that when Men get together it's amplified.

I thought I would throw out this topic to some of the more experienced players out there to see how everyone handles this.  Here is some background on me and the group of people I usually play with.  I have only been playing the sport for a few years, and started playing with the goal of having fun, and doing something healthier than sitting on the couch.  When I started I didn't have a clue what I was doing, often throwing putters off the tee, and drivers on the approach.  I threw multiple discs per lie, played the disc where it lied, used gimmie's etc... as things have progressed and my skill level has increased as well as my knowledge of the sport, I began playing more legit.  By legit I mean, no mulligans, keeping score, etc... Naturally as my group also increased in skill level (we all started playing about the same time) we began getting more competitive, to the point now where we all have Bag Tags, play in tourneys, play 3-4 times a week, etc... 

While I am by no means a professional disc golfer, I have joined the PDGA and the KCFDC and have read the PDGA rule book.  Here is the 6 million dollar question:

Are PDGA rules generally to be applied during each round of golf, be it casual, league, or tournament?  I.E. if five or six guys play regularly and we are playing competitively (Tags) should all the PDGA rules be enforced? 

The following scenario developed during a recent casual but competitive round: Player 1 throws OB on the very first throw of the game.  The other players note this is OB, enforce the penalty stroke and drop/re-throw.  Later on during the round, player 1 notices the other players throwing out of turn.  Player 1 gives a warning not to throw out of turn.  Subsequent violations are also noted, and further warnings are given.  Several holes later, player 1 throws into a tree and has to spend a few minutes looking for his disc.  Instead of helping the player look for his disc since he is obviously the away player, the other players continue to play the hole ahead of the away player, thus throwing out of turn.  Since multiple warnings had been given, Player 1 calls for a penalty stoke to be assessed to the players who had violated the courtesy rule of throwing out of turn.  Instead of accepting the extra stroke, the other players decline this penalty stroke and bring up excuses such as "we are not PDGA members", "this is not a tournament", "the rules were not announced prior to the beginning of the round", etc...  basically whining :) 

Technically I could have actually enforced any number of other courtesy rules for "throwing minis", "advancing on the fairway beyond the away player", "practice throws" (throwing multiple discs from the same lie (non announced provisional throws)) or "shouting".

The way I see it, since we were playing a competitive round, PDGA rules should have been in effect (OB is always enforced, why not other PDGA rules).   

Just curious how other players observe the rules.  Does everyone announce that PDGA rules are in play?  If they are not announced, are none enforceable; including OB?  Again, I'm talking about competitive rounds where there is something at stake such as tags, not practice rounds. 

Bag Tags / Re: What tag you got? 2013
« on: July 03, 2013, 08:05:19 AM »
I'm currently rolling with a high 200's tag because the group I normally play with doesn't like rules.  Oh, I mean they don't like it when rules are applied to them.  They are more than happy to add a stroke to my score when I throw out of bounds, but seem very reluctant to take a stroke themselves for courtesy violations; even after ample warnings have been given.   

Tournaments / Re: 2013 Midwest Amateur Championships - August 3rd
« on: July 02, 2013, 01:53:15 PM »
So far the players package is looking like this so far.  At least this is what we are striving for.  An awesome value for a low entry B Tier Event. 

1-2 Discs
Dri Fit Shirt (Bonus for those registered by July 18th)
Re-usable Score Card with mechanical golf pencil
Other odds and ends

Please pre-register so we can get an accurate count of what to order so we can give the players the best value.

Awesome players pack!  Can't wait for pay day so I can pre reg.

Found and Lost / Re: Lost at Legacy
« on: July 01, 2013, 04:20:02 PM »
Update on my lost discs: I finally got a chance to talk to Scott at LS P&R and unfortunately it looks like somebody climbed the fence and took both the disks because nither were turned in. Scott was very courteous and apologetic but those discs most likely won't be coming back home.
Now, I'm generally a peaceful minded guy but if you find someone throwing a green force with a purple stamp and has my name on the back or a whole lot of blacked out stuffon the back, you have my full permission to kick a thief in the taint  >:(

Did you ask if you could go look around?  I've done that before.  Unless they land in front of the shed or some place visible, it may be a while before they find the discs.  I always make a note of where they are, or I think they might be (I've landed a few in the mulch pits).  They could have slid under some equipment, or other junk that's around the fence area.  If they landed in the wide open where other people can see them, then I'm afraid you are probably correct in that someone climbed the fence.   

General Banter / Re: The 'Official' ACE Thread!
« on: June 24, 2013, 03:59:31 PM »
Connie Winchell got her first ACE Saturday at William Yates on the 9th basket which is a 176ft shot. She was using a Roc3 and it was witnessed by Miles McKee, Jared Kintzel and myself.

Nice Job! 

General Banter / Re: The 'Official' ACE Thread!
« on: June 21, 2013, 09:19:53 AM »
I heard the legend of los crutcheros got his first tonight at Swope . Congrats buddy

Yes he did!  Smoked hole 7 at Swope, 340'.   

Tournaments / Re: 2013 Tournament Calendar
« on: June 17, 2013, 09:34:28 AM »
Just browsing the forum this morning and I was thinking to myself, why are there no tournaments at Legacy Park?  Then I remembered there used to be something called the Eastern Front that rotated between Wilbur Young in Blue Springs, Legacy Park in Lee's Summit, and Lake Shore in PHill.  I see it was given an * status on the 2013 calendar.  Is this still going to happen? 

Why are there not more tournaments at some of the eastern locations?  I know some of the parks may be considered "too easy" for more advanced players, but there are plenty of beginners, myself included, that enjoy playing these parks.  I thought I heard once that LSPR is too difficult to deal with, but I don't know if that was the official answer or if that was just an opinion I heard.

Anyway, I would really like to see an event ran at one or more of these parks, and I would be willing to bet there would be a pretty good turn out.  Even if an event was scheduled at the same time as a more advanced or remote event such as an Emporia event say, I think there is enough interest and beginner/intermediate level players out there to make an event like this work. 

No big deal.  If it's found and turned in that's cool.  I have lots of plastic I'm not throwing now.

Pleasant Hill / Re: June 13 New Players League
« on: June 13, 2013, 01:59:16 PM »
LS crew is coming for sure.  I'm going to try and sneak out a few min early to beat the traffic coming from OP.  Might be close to or a little after 6 though.

Found and Lost / Lost brand new (3rd throw) PDGA Stamp ESP Stalker
« on: June 10, 2013, 04:05:55 PM »
Black disc with gold PDGA stamp.  I just got this disc with my PDGA subscription and subsequently lost it in the woods at Rosie.  I think it was hole 2, grip locked and turned it over hard into the woods.  I stomped around in the brush and all the way down under but was not able to find this disc.  Name and number are not on it because it's a black disc and all I have is a black sharpie :)  If you find it and want to return it, that would be cool.  If so sad :( 

Tournaments / Re: 2013 Mighty Mo
« on: May 31, 2013, 10:39:49 AM »
6/23 is a Sunday.  Is that the right date?

Do we NOT have tournaments on Sunday?  It's not like the tournament is scheduled for a Monday.
It might be that getting chuchified is more important to that individual.

LOL nope I got plenty Churchified early on.  It was a question not a statement, which is why I put a question mark at the end of my sentence.  Had I been stating a fact, rather than asking a question, I would have used a period. 

I got plenty schoolified early on as well as being fluent in the English language :) 

Legacy Park - Lee's Summit / Re: Grass Problem
« on: May 31, 2013, 10:27:37 AM »
Tues night I picked up at least 8-10 cans/bottles & still missed 3 birdie putts. One day the karma will show up. The tues night company was enjoyed by all except maybe for Casey, his ass was a lil sore from Louie

Casey was definitely NOT enjoying Louie's company!  I missed the can's Tues night.  Who is in charge of moving baskets?  Is that KCFDC or LSPR?  The baskets were moved between Tues night and Wed night, but the cans remained.  Or someone came back for round two. 

Legacy Park - Lee's Summit / Re: Grass Problem
« on: May 30, 2013, 08:58:27 AM »
I played with a good group out there on Tuesday night and they have not only mowed the fairways, but all the "cabbage patches" as well.  All those green, leafy, disc eaters were chopped down, and the snake as well R.I.P. 

Seriously though, I think LSPR does a pretty good job of keeping the park looking nice.  That being said, I went back out last night looking for a disc that fell out of my bag on Tuesday's round, and saw that the baskets had all been moved, which is good to keep things fresh and exciting.  I also saw a bunch, and I mean probably an entire 12 pack, of Bush Beer cans strewn across the front 9. 

This is poor taste at any park, but inexcusable at Legacy where there are trash cans every other hole.  The cans were not there on Tuesday when I played and no one in my group was drinking Bush.  This either happened during a day round on Wednesday or maybe a Tuesday night glow round.

If you know who the culprit is, shame them for leaving their trash behind.  I don't want to end up with not being able to enjoy a frosty beverage or two because someone can't pick up after themselves.

Tournaments / Re: 2013 Mighty Mo
« on: May 20, 2013, 03:44:12 PM »
6/23 is a Sunday.  Is that the right date?

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