« on: January 25, 2012, 09:58:10 AM »
Maybe...doing Ice Bowl this weekend with the family. It might be next weekend (depending on the weather) before we get a chance to do it.
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In all fairness a judge should never be in the contest.
Yes, having DD or other vendors run some events in cooperation with the KCFDC has been discussed in meetings and the conclusion has largely been the club would prefer to have club members run events or even the club run events, but as Jack mentioned, we just do not get enough volunteers from our membership to run as many events as we would like.
About the WO, if we as members really want to bring the "magnitude" up on this event, we need to find sponsors, or just be sponsors. Not big ones, just small ones, 25.00, 50.00, 100.00 multiplied by 20,30 or 50 goes a long way towards providing more for the players. I am really happy to see the discussion go back to this event and players saying more of what they want and after reading the initial plans for the WO, it also seems our voices have been heard.
proposed entry fees:
Open men and women: $130
Other pros: $105
Above require PDGA membership to be current
Below, will have the ability to add $10 for PDGA tournament fee
Others ams: 55
This is the proposed fees at this point, this DOES NOT include PDGA fees (typically $3-$5/person) nor a determination on KCFDC fees at this point (typically $2), or Ace Fund money (generally $1/rd). More information to follow, but in case you wanted to know as this is coming together......
I know this is going to really blow your mind. The smoking ban, only extends to less than 15 events. (no sh1t) So if you want to throw around your statistics about smokers numbers on the incline or decline, or the amount of money the industry makes, etc. You are wasting your time. There is ONLY one issue with the smoking rule and that is... SMOKERS CAN'T SMOKE DURING PDGA EVENTS!. That's it...
Dale - My point is this: If you want to throw around your weight as a smoking disc golfer, do so. Otherwise, it does nothing for anyone to listen to moot, peripheral arguments. You didn't come up with any valid points to discuss other than the ones I addressed. You were the one who raised personal issues with your money, involvement, etc. None of which are issues worth discussing. The only issue you have is "to smoke, or not to smoke" and that is answered simply by saying, "smoke if you want, but not during PDGA events." That's it. Smoking looks bad, period. It hinders the growth of the "professional" side of the sport.
Never said to quit. Never said it at all. In fact, since this debate started (in another thread many moons ago) I have stated emphatically that I don't care if you do. However, I have made it very clear that if the rules say you can't smoke, then you can't smoke. I have also stated, that if you want to see the sport grow (outside of the realm of just a leisure sport) then you have to change the image. Because, as I have said over and over again, it's all about the presentation. The smokers on the boards, have brought up the fringe issue of "rights" or "we are the sport" or the rest of the endless babble of nonsense. It's a non-issue. It's a smoker's gripe that exists everywhere. It's always the smokers who feel "hunted" and "overlooked" in this issue and it has nothing to do with that at all.
This isn't about you and me, if it was, the list of what you could or couldn't do at a disc golf event would be vastly different. You just seem to think smoking is somehow integral to the livelihood of the sport. This is a common belief among smokers. I would challenge you to organize your fellow smokers and walk away from the events. Get a hold of Feldberg and Climo and start a movement. I'm sure those two are willing to walk away from disc golf. In fact, walk away from the sport altogether. Take your butts and go play ball golf.Sounds to me like you are telling me that I shouldnt play.
I'm barely tolerable in person for most people. And it could be because I'm very outspoken and I am going to remain so. I was silent for a long time about my attitudes about disc golf, but not anymore. I have a vested interest in this sport and I'm not going to sit idly by and watch it be ripped apart by infighting foolishness. I don't know Dale or "A" and I even offered to light your cigarette, so I hardly see how that is me trying to "exclude" you from the sport. I don't give two sh1ts about either of you, UNTIL you get in my way. And if you want to smoke at a PDGA event, well that's getting in my way.