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Smithville / Re: Come see the AWESOME 4th Course at the Complex...

« on: January 25, 2012, 09:58:10 AM »

Maybe...doing Ice Bowl this weekend with the family.  It might be next weekend (depending on the weather) before we get a chance to do it.

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Smithville / Re: Come see the AWESOME 4th Course at the Complex...

« on: January 24, 2012, 06:26:22 PM »

After looking at the map, here is an option I came up with.  It eliminates the walking to the starting hole but would still require a shuttle system (dont see a way around that, unfortunately).

Hole #      Course hole                                Hole #      Course hole                       Hole #      Course hole

1                Beaver 8 (to 10's basket )          10             Beaver 4                             19           Blackthorn 13
2                Beaver 11                                   11             Blackthorn 1                        20          Blackthorn 9
3                Beaver 13                                   12             Blackthorn 15                      21          Woodhenge 11
4                Beaver 15                                   13             Blackthorn 16                      22          Woodhenge 12
5                Beaver 17                                   14             Blackthorn 17                      23          Woodhenge 13
6                Beaver 18                                   15             Blackthorn 18                      24          Woodhenge 15
7                Beaver 1                                     16             Beaver 5                              25          Woodhenge 16
8                Beaver 2                                     17             Beaver 6                              26          Woodhenge 17
9                Beaver 3                                     18             Beaver 7                              27          Woodhenge 18

You could also take out Beaver 6&7 and insert Blackthorn 10 (after #9) and Woodhenge 14 (after #13) instead.  That would be a longer walk between Beaver 5/Blackthorn 13 without playing, but would give more balance on the courses (13/7/7 vs. 11/8/8).  Just a thought.  I gotta get out and attempt Shoreline!!!!

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Tournaments / Re: Kansas City Ice Bowl 2012- 25th Annual

« on: January 24, 2012, 05:43:59 PM »

My first timer chili will be there along with my home made salsa to add some zing

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Tournaments / Re: Kansas City Ice Bowl 2012- 25th Annual

« on: January 15, 2012, 08:31:25 PM »

Chili it is, then. 

In all fairness a judge should never be in the contest.

I agree...that is why I said I would do either/or....not both.

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Tournaments / Re: Kansas City Ice Bowl 2012- 25th Annual

« on: January 15, 2012, 09:36:11 AM »

Which do you need more....chili or judges?  I can do either.  Was planning on bringing chili, but if you need a judge more, I'll help out with that instead. 

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General Banter / Re: Impending Invasions by Outsiders?

« on: January 10, 2012, 05:22:37 PM »

Yes, having DD or other vendors run some events in cooperation with the KCFDC has been discussed in meetings and the conclusion has largely been the club would prefer to have club members run events or even the club run events, but as Jack mentioned, we just do not get enough volunteers from our membership to run as many events as we would like.

As a new clubmember (and new to competitive disc golf) I find it difficult to bridge the knowledge gap between participating in a tournament and what it actually takes to run a tourney.  I DO know that there is infinately more than just showing up and blowing a horn to start.  Is there any kind of checklist or is it up to each TD to "reinvent the wheel"?  A possibility to facilitate the transfer of knowledge would to be a club requirement of assisting at a tourney during the year to maintain your "good" standing.  That way, the members WITH the knowledge could tutor those that dont have it yet and ensure the same people arent being tagged to run events by themselves.  Also, if it were a club requirement, more people would inclined to actually participate in thier club.  I see/hear about the same core people doing things....what about the other 150+ members?  This could be tied in with the Club Championships at the end of the year similiar to the other requirements: being paid up, playing all four rounds, etc.  In order for this concept to be successful, however, there would need to be more tourneys scheduled by the club to enable a wide variety of dates and locations for everyone to help at.

About the WO, if we as members really want to bring the "magnitude" up on this event, we need to find sponsors, or just be sponsors. Not big ones, just small ones, 25.00, 50.00, 100.00 multiplied by 20,30 or 50 goes a long way towards providing more for the players. I am really happy to see the discussion go back to this event and players saying more of what they want and after reading the initial plans for the WO, it also seems our voices have been heard. 

What are the levels of sponsorship (and what do you get for them) is my first question on this.  Personally, I have been considering this for my DJ/Karaoke/Photography business that has been on hold for a while (but I am looking at getting it back up and running), but have not seen any info before this.  Secondly, if that info is available in a printed and professional format, it would make it much easier to approach a business owner/manager and make a presentation for sponsorship.  It may be too late for some companies to commit for this year, but there is always next year for them and those that still have advertising/sponsorship funds available would need to see something soon I would imagine.

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Blue Valley / Re: Too much time to play? Have you tried the alternate course yet?

« on: January 09, 2012, 03:02:49 PM »

Played (or attempted to play) Sunday.  Got lost on 10 in spite of the directions that were graciously left.  Probably more due to having never played the "monster" and less to the clarity of the directions.  Found what we think was supposed to be the pad for new #10.  Maybe some sinage could be posted, even if its temporary?  BV, even in this "shorter" configuration, definately isnt for the weak of heart....lol.  Even with my weenie arm, though, I was shooting 4's on most holes with a few 3's (and one 5) laced in there.  Definately liked it.  It kinda seemed like Water Works on steroids.

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Tournaments / Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open

« on: January 07, 2012, 11:03:19 PM »

Having never played BV before, we (my family and I) are going to try it out tomorrow (along w the Crosbys) for the first time.  I am anxious to see this "beast" up close and personal to see what all the excitement is about.  Maybe it will influence my decision on whether or not to pony up the Adv Masters fee for the WO.

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Tournaments / Re: 30th Kansas City Wide Open

« on: January 05, 2012, 11:59:27 PM »

proposed entry fees:

Open men and women: $130
Other pros: $105
Advanced: $80

Above require PDGA membership to be current

Below, will have the ability to add $10 for PDGA tournament fee
Others ams: 55

This is the proposed fees at this point, this DOES NOT include PDGA fees (typically $3-$5/person) nor a determination on KCFDC fees at this point (typically $2), or Ace Fund money (generally $1/rd). More information to follow, but in case you wanted to know as this is coming together......

hmmmm....was excited to play in my first WO, but at least $65 (approx) to enter definately puts a damper on that exictement.  That's almost 2 other tourneys!  I would definately enter ADV Masters over Int/Rec if the K7 is used (havent played SM and only played Olathe and WyCo once each plus further away from the "real" action)....but that would also mean $25 more (a 3rd tourney).  May just sit out this year and improve my game for next year. Definately glad to have a heads up.  Sure hope the players packs are gold plated and loaded and there is all the adult beverages you want for that price.   

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Found and Lost / Re: Found: Red 09 World Champ Beast at Blue Springs - belongs to Andrew Walters

« on: January 04, 2012, 10:27:55 AM »

Did he get ahold of you last night?  I know he was attempting to.  If you're in the northland area, we could meet up with you or if not, you could drop it off at DGW.  Thanks for the return either way.  Its nice to get one back.

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General Banter / Re: New years eve round?

« on: December 29, 2011, 12:41:53 AM »

Family and I looking trying out BV for the first time to end the year

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Found and Lost / Re: Tallguy lost a disc at Waterworks...

« on: December 26, 2011, 09:59:43 PM »

Somebody in the group behind us got it out on Saturday.  He said he had already called you and also works in Olathe, so he would get it to you.  Hope you got it.

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Tournaments / Re: 30th KCWO Think Tank

« on: December 09, 2011, 12:59:43 AM »

At the Sun Valley Open in San Diego last summer, instead of WATCHING the final 9, they paired the top 4 pro finishers with another player (chosen by raffle ticket) for alternating shot skins play ($1000 total/$200 per hole - this could easily be adjusted/modified).  They more than made the skins $$$ from the raffle tickets they sold (three "ticket baggers" bought $200 each....more power to them I guess...lol)  As much fun as it is watching pros play, it is even more intense watching a 16 year old player attempt a 20-25 ft putt with 2 skins on the line (he missed) and then later have the same situation in sudden death and make it for the final skin.  Or watch Steve Rico park a 400+ ft drive (with 60'+ elevation change up hill, a mando right and OB left) 27' from the basket just to have his partner (another pro actually) miss the putt for 3 skins.  I dont think any of the spectators or AMs left until this was over.  All of this took place before the awards ceremony and before they held the "merchandise" raffle (similar to the EDGE raffles many of the tourneys here have).  Just another option.

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General Banter / Re: There was USDGC bad, and now there's this

« on: November 07, 2011, 09:37:09 PM »

Let me simplify this for you Loomis, since you are seeming to have some difficulty comprehending what I have been saying:

I know this is going to really blow your mind. The smoking ban, only extends to less than 15 events. (no sh1t) So if you want to throw around your statistics about smokers numbers on the incline or decline, or the amount of money the industry makes, etc. You are wasting your time. There is ONLY one issue with the smoking rule and that is... SMOKERS CAN'T SMOKE DURING PDGA EVENTS!. That's it...

   Really???  wow!! Maybe you need to actually READ my first post and then THINK about it.  I stated in the beginning that it only applied to MAJOR EVENTS!!!  Not PDGA events....only MAJOR events.  This does not include NT, A Tier, B Tier, C Tier, or any other level of event.  I can smoke all I want under the current rules at these events (all of this was acknowledged in my first post as well).

Dale - My point is this: If you want to throw around your weight as a smoking disc golfer, do so. Otherwise, it does nothing for anyone to listen to moot, peripheral arguments. You didn't come up with any valid points to discuss other than the ones I addressed. You were the one who raised personal issues with your money, involvement, etc. None of which are issues worth discussing. The only issue you have is "to smoke, or not to smoke" and that is answered simply by saying, "smoke if you want, but not during PDGA events." That's it. Smoking looks bad, period. It hinders the growth of the "professional" side of the sport.

Who's throwing weight around?  In my initial rebuttal (which, as stated in the post, was partially hypothetical) of your statement regarding sponsorship money that would only be possible if smoking was banned as well as my subsequent ones, I was simply pointing out that smokers make up a sizable portion of the dues-paying  PDGA membership and the PDGA could POTENTIALLY lose ground financially if the sponsorships aren't large enough. 

Never said to quit. Never said it at all. In fact, since this debate started (in another thread many moons ago) I have stated emphatically that I don't care if you do. However, I have made it very clear that if the rules say you can't smoke, then you can't smoke. I have also stated, that if you want to see the sport grow (outside of the realm of just a leisure sport) then you have to change the image. Because, as I have said over and over again, it's all about the presentation. The smokers on the boards, have brought up the fringe issue of "rights" or "we are the sport" or the rest of the endless babble of nonsense. It's a non-issue. It's a smoker's gripe that exists everywhere. It's always the smokers who feel "hunted" and "overlooked" in this issue and it has nothing to do with that at all.

Really?  Are you that stringent on ALL PDGA rules, or only the ones YOU want to enforce.  I have now played in only 3 or 4 PDGA tournaments, but have seen so many rule violations (varying from clothing to drinking to scoring) at EVERY tournament, it is mind numbing.  Many of these violations I have simply ignored, I confess, which isnt the way it should be but is (especially Jack's favorite - the proper shirt which even TD's refuse to address).  I would suggest that before you attempt to add additional rules for the "presentation" factor of the sport, you figure out how to enforce the ones already in place.  And you never told me not to play? 
 

This isn't about you and me, if it was, the list of what you could or couldn't do at a disc golf event would be vastly different. You just seem to think smoking is somehow integral to the livelihood of the sport. This is a common belief among smokers. I would challenge you to organize your fellow smokers and walk away from the events. Get a hold of Feldberg and Climo and start a movement. I'm sure those two are willing to walk away from disc golf. In fact, walk away from the sport altogether. Take your butts and go play ball golf.

Sounds to me like you are telling me that I shouldnt play.

I'm barely tolerable in person for most people. And it could be because I'm very outspoken and I am going to remain so. I was silent for a long time about my attitudes about disc golf, but not anymore. I have a vested interest in this sport and I'm not going to sit idly by and watch it be ripped apart by infighting foolishness. I don't know Dale or "A" and I even offered to light your cigarette, so I hardly see how that is me trying to "exclude" you from the sport. I don't give two sh1ts about either of you, UNTIL you get in my way. And if you want to smoke at a PDGA event, well that's getting in my way.

Before this thread, I would have disagreed based on your seemingly knowledgable, very descriptive, and entertaining posts.  Now, not only would I agree, but would add "on line" as well as "in person".  Maybe that is because I, too, am very outspoken. 

What "vested interest" could you possibly have?  A vested interest implies that you are owed somthing for your previous contributions.  I dont know what you have done in the past other than play (and could care less), but regardless of what you have or havent done you are owed nothing from the PDGA and disc golf.  Since you are in college, you certainly have not been playing much longer than I have, although you HAVE been playing competitively much longer than me.  BIG DEAL!! All I can see that you have invested is time and tournaments, which is no more than my "vested" interest.

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General Banter / Re: There was USDGC bad, and now there's this

« on: November 07, 2011, 06:22:57 PM »

LMAO.  You have been very entertaining with many of your posts, Loomis.  I have found them informative and well thought out.  This one, however, I am seeing that you are as condescending and closed - minded as you were entertaining before.  Instead of engaging in a debate during which various sides can openly express their opinions and come up with a compromise/solution, YOURS seems to be the only one you want to consider.   As I said on my very first post on this subject.... If they want to BAN smoking at the events for publicity reasons, then make those tournaments for PROFESSIONALS ONLY.  You seem to think smoking shouldnt be allowed at all.  Smoking will always be around.  Why do you think you anti-smoking zealots cant get rid of smoking completely?  Because there are too many smokers and too much money in that industry.   Hell...I'm fine with only smoking in designated areas set off from various tee areas or enroute between holes. 

When differing viewpoints are presented, you get defensive and attack the presenter and tell us to quit?.  I just have one more question on this subject..... Who died and made you the omnipotent disc golf God since you seem to have ALL the answers for EVERYTHING disc golf needs to be EVERYONE'S dream sport?  BTW....see ya on the course.  You cant get rid of me that easily