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General Banter / Re: There was USDGC bad, and now there's this
« on: November 06, 2011, 07:12:00 PM »
When did it become a rule that people had to wear shirts during PDGA events? Was this measure met with similar resistance by those players who only like to play shirtless?

Completely different circumstance.  ALL organized activities require proper clothing.

If you want the sport to go to the next level, you have to remove the atmosphere of "casual" from it. As long as the sport comes across as just a leisure activity it will never attract real sponsors, or real support from people outside the sport. That's the reality of it. It's a give and take. If Feldberg, Klimo and Smith want to see their sport be taken more seriously, then they have to leave the smokes in the car. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if there is a fire danger or not. Smoking while playing makes our sport look silly. It may be enjoyable for the smoker, but there is the Catch 22 of it all. To smoke and watch the sport wallow in obscurity for a longer period of time. Or not smoke and perhaps attract the support, which will make the sport grow. 

This portion of your post is filled with "maybe", "if",  and "perhaps".  Nothing is to say that in the event smoking IS banned in tourneys, disc golf will ever attract the revenue and sponsorship necessary to compete with sports such as golf or tennis (bowling is a possibility).  It actually could do the exact opposite, as I will note below.  Since I will never have to worry about playing in a Major event, that ban doesn't affect me.   All sports have participants that use tobacco and it is (somewhat) regulated at the professional level....unfortunately they dont/cant regulate smokeless tobacco because it isnt as obvious.  If they deem it is that important of an issue, I suggest having "Professional Only" tournaments and have that as a requirement. a smoker, it does affect me in the event they decide to pass the ruling on to lower tier events.  If the venue does not prohibit smoking, then as an amatuer player, why should I have additional censureship levied against me?  I can play in a softball tournament under ASA rules (for example) and still smoke between innings as long as smoking is allowed in the venue.   Should the PDGA decide to rule along those lines, I really hope they get enough sponsorship to make up for the loss of revenues from smokers (I'd guess 1/3 to 1/2 of the entries in most tourneys?).   If you figure there are even an average of 10 tourneys a week with an average of 100 entries at $40 each (I havent done the exact math...just an approximation/hypothetical) and even 25% of those are smokers, that would be a loss of approx  $520,000 per year.  Granted... some/most of that could be recouped by other non smokers entering, but you have just alienated 25% of your core players who will not be paying PDGA fees every year. 

And how does " Smoking while playing makes our sport look silly."?  It is no more silly than having a jaw full of seeds/chew or drinking beer while playing, yet there doesnt seem to be any outcry about that.

Tournaments / Re: countdown to 31
« on: October 18, 2011, 05:01:18 PM »
They cover "dipping" in this rule too.

True...and thankfully, I dont have to worry about it since it only applies to Major Tourneys :D

Tournaments / Re: countdown to 31
« on: October 18, 2011, 04:41:33 PM »
You don't see football players or baseball players smoking everywhere (though I think banning dip is a little extreme) and the only golfer I can think of smoking regularly is Miguel Angel Jimenez, and he smokes the stogies not the cigarettes.

If its "public image" they are worried about, then dipping is as bad as smoking because its a regulated (you must be 18 to purchase/use) substance just like cigarettes.  It's just as bad for you - lip/throat/gum cancer vs. lung cancer.  As a smoker, nothing irritates me more than to be in "tobacco use prohibited" area and have somebody dipping away while I am forbidden to light up.  I guarantee you I would call that person out on a courtesy violation in a heartbeat.  And although cigarette butts are an eyesore, nothing is more disgusting than to have your disc or hand land in a pool of spit.  And the only reason you dont see baseball players is because they go down the tunnel between innings.

Tournaments / Re: Bluebird Series State Championships
« on: October 14, 2011, 11:47:21 PM »
You did not have to play all four events to make the regionals, it just helped you insure you would get to try for the top three and make it to the state round.

I just played Joplin 4SO and it cost me $55 three rounds. I played four in the Bluebird for $75 and I had funny money in 3/4 rounds so I got "something" back (even though the plastic choices sucked after it was picked over, they need to fix that).

I agree with this part completely.  I got something in all three I played in (including regionals), but by the regionals there was nothing I saw worth getting (altough I wasnt familiar with all that was left). 

Smithville / Re: All Things Beaver...
« on: October 11, 2011, 09:57:06 PM »
During the week is tough with my work schedule, but I will offer to do what I can.  After this weekend, I am free for a couple as well. 

Bag Tags / Bag Tag Rules
« on: October 11, 2011, 07:46:30 PM »
The Kansas City Flying Disc Golf Club Tag System Rules 2007

1. Tags must be attached to bags in a visible location and carried at all times.

2. You MUST play with other tag holders on your card at any KCFDC event. Off-card challenges should be limited to one individual choice, you can accept or decline off-card challenges.  Off-card challenges will be settled after on-card challenges.

3. You may not hide or withhold a tag when you have a lower number.

4. If you have to leave during a challenge round for any reason you will forfeit your tag and graciously accept the highest numbered tag in the group.

5.  If you lose your tag you may be able to PURCHASE a new one depending upon availability, you must also notify a member of the EC if tag 1-10 is lost.

6. If you have a tag you must try to play in one club event each month.

I am attempting to educate myself on Tag Rules as this is the first year I will be a member/participating with tags.  I am sure other new members are wondering the same things as I am:

1) Are these rules still accurate?  If not, what are the changes and are they published anywhere?

2) What is the "out of town" challenge rules? 

Thanks in advance for the clarification.

Great tourney, Rick.  Thanks for all the hard work and planning that you and everyone helping you did.  I have now seen how a good tourney is supposed to work.  Everything was very organized and thought out and the layout was awesome.  Loved getting to play the first round with other players in higher divisions (so much so that I shot my best round ever by 6 strokes at Rosy).  Thanks again.

Tournaments / Re: Bluebird Series State Championships
« on: October 10, 2011, 10:21:44 PM »
These are two great courses. Find a way to get out there and play them. Both courses have everything to test your course management skills. But if you don't like playing "in the woods" or blind drives, don't bother.

Obvously, we must have played different courses.  The south course is definately not what i would call an awesome course.  Impossible or horrendous would be more my description.  Even with a map, it is difficult to navigate the course.  When you have walked further than you just played you get to play another impossible hole, making me question the logic of the designer.  More trees than any course I've ever seen - imagine Blackthorn in Smithville, Down under, or the first several holes at Cliff  - BEFORE ANY trees were taken out.  There IS no hole management on alot of the holes....its throw and pray you get through a few of the trees, then throw and pray again.  Not all holes were like that...but most of the other ones are blind (down hill, up hill, a turn blocked by trees, or a combination of the above).  Fortunately, I spared myself the agony of the north course (although I did hear it was better than the south one) by shooting so horribly in the first round. 

Tournaments / Re: Shawnee Mission Park Tournament-sponsored by Discraft!
« on: October 07, 2011, 05:11:39 PM »
As this date is rapidly approaching, is this event a "go" or not?  There has been no additional info since the beginning post.  If it is going to happen, how about some additional details.  Thanks.

General Banter / Re: OK... I'm gonna say it... It's a joke
« on: October 07, 2011, 03:36:11 PM »
How do you get qualified for this tourney?  From what I see, my crappy rating would be perfect out there since I am (and have) no place to go but up :D  lol

Tournaments / Re: 2011 Four States Open - Joplin, MO - Sept 24th & 25th
« on: September 26, 2011, 07:00:39 PM »
Awesome tourney!  A few notes:

1) LOVED the player pack.  I thought it was the best/most useful one I have received in my limited tourney experience.  The player party was excellent also, although giving single discs per raffle ticket would have been better than multiple discs.  It would have allowed more people to have an opportunity to win one.

2) Overall, I thought the organization was very well thought out.  I would have preferred the schedule on Sunday allowed for the Ring of Fire to be played prior to the final 9 for the open players.  I realize the round went longer than expected so the planned time was impossible to adhere to.  I would have liked the RoF to be implemented in its scheduled slot (before the final 9).  Not a major drawback, but would have been nice and I'm sure there were reasons to change it.

3) Rate of play was excellent.  Only one bottleneck (hole 10), but that was to be expected and once you got past 10, it smoothed out again.

Over all, I was totally impressed with how this tourney was run.  I will definately plan on being there next year. 

Thanks, guys.

Tournaments / Re: 2011 Four States Open - Joplin, MO - Sept 24th & 25th
« on: September 22, 2011, 12:04:37 AM »
Not sure....if its "odd", then we will be.  I wont really know till we head out.  Ben or Rhonda might have a better idea of who is all going.  We should be there around 3 or so.

Tournaments / Re: 2011 Four States Open - Joplin, MO - Sept 24th & 25th
« on: September 21, 2011, 12:31:40 PM »
There is a group of 6 or 7 of us headed down early friday afternoon.

Tournaments / Re: Blue Bird Series Regional at Legacy?
« on: September 16, 2011, 09:17:59 PM »
We have been waiting also to no avail.  I am going to GUESS (based on the prev rounds) that the registration will be from 9-930ish and tee off around 10?  We (my family and I) went out there tonight to check out the pin placements and such.  There hasnt been any temp tees lined out (for the int/rec/novice/etc) nor any temp OB/islands like normal.  I'm going to msg them on facebook and try to find out something tonight , but not counting on it.  I will post anything (if anything) I find out.

Smithville / Re: Smithville Lake League 9/11/11
« on: September 11, 2011, 09:54:51 PM »
I'd love to, but I wont be able to be there either (military obligations).  Sorry.

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