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Is the course layout for this decided yet?

Tournaments / Re: 2013 Memorial
« on: February 28, 2013, 09:39:54 PM »
The ratings are inflated because of the the courses they play. Both Vista Del Camino and Fountain Hills are easy for the top pros, yet really difficult for the rest of the field.

The amount of OB at both courses punishes the bad shots that lesser players make, while the top 10 or so players rarely throw OB.

So the scoring deviation is higher than it would normally be at another course.

Tournaments / Re: 2013 Kansas City Team Challenge
« on: February 28, 2013, 07:21:14 PM »
*Missouri Meth Joke*

Tournaments / Re: 2013 Tournament Calendar
« on: February 25, 2013, 08:10:02 PM »
Man it's gonna be a busy year...

Tournaments / Re: 2013 Monkey Island Open (Am worlds warmup)
« on: February 25, 2013, 01:54:33 PM »
I'm planning on playing this, Peter Pan is a fun course.

General Banter / Re: Ken Franks~ 8th year with Innova Champion Discs
« on: February 24, 2013, 10:49:30 PM »

Beginners / Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« on: February 21, 2013, 10:04:50 PM »
You're exactly right, which is why it's more of a loophole than strict rules.

Because you're right, I could take a stance in a corner like that without standing OB, but a player might use that rule to their advantage to get closer to the basket.

Beginners / Re: OB, Stance, Relief, and Marking your lie
« on: February 21, 2013, 06:45:24 PM »
I think the perpendicular illustration was to try to clarify a question raised on irregular OB.  Example would be the OB is a right angle and the disc lands off center on the corner in bounds.

It's not perpendicular from that line as a whole, but perpendicular from any one point on that line.

I made a terrible graphic to illustrate this-

Further, there are odd loopholes in taking your one meter in a "corner", as it were.  Like this-

I believe that this was the case on Hole #17 at Swope Gold at this years KCWO. Where in that corner, taking 1 meter of relief would bring a player closer to the other part of OB. So instead of taking 1 meter from where the disc went out (deep in the corner), a player would take 1 meter of relief from any OB, which would ultimately bring that player more like 2-3 meters from where they initially went OB.

Shawnee Mission / Re: Thoughts/Feedback
« on: February 21, 2013, 04:12:18 AM »
I agree with you Jack, as is Shawnee Mission is very heavily played by mostly newer players; especially compared to other courses in KC. But I think having the ability to crank up the difficulty level significantly would be very advantageous. The fact of the matter is, the land at the park is amazing, and there is opportunity there that we don't have at courses like Waterworks or Rosedale. Those 2 courses, for example, are great courses but they can only be "Cranked" up so hard.

I think there is a potential "Shawnee Gold" comparable to the Swope Gold used for the Wide Open. So that 350 days out of the year, Shawnee is just a normal course, but occasionally the land can be stretched out and turned into a championship level course.

I do have one practice basket of my own, but I'll potentially look into using more this year at league. Last year I experimented with alternate Teepads, but this year I'd love to fool around with completely brand new temporary holes. Whether or not any of these holes will make into league play, I can't say. But myself, Steven Thimmesch, Jon Thomas, and others play out there a lot. I know we would love to try out some things on our own time.

Shawnee Mission / Re: Thoughts/Feedback
« on: February 19, 2013, 08:36:54 PM »
I hadn't considered adding OB to any of those on the back, but you're right that #15 uphill short would be a good candidate for an island or something.

As for temporary holes, we tossed around the idea but weren't able to get anything really put together before the event. The pond with the island (across the Road from #9) would be a great area, as well as the land near #3 and #4. There's plenty of good land near enough to the course, to add a handful of extra holes (likely not a whole extra 9, not for a one-day event).

Shawnee Mission / Re: Thoughts/Feedback
« on: February 18, 2013, 09:28:19 PM »
I agree with you Matt in the sense that I have a long run-up so I benefit from the gravel in that way.

And thanks Mike, and you're right about a few holes having similar shots. This was my first time setting up a course for a tournament, and I learned a lot. I wanted to avoid simply putting every hole in it's longest pin for the tournament, but I ended up having a couple of things I wish I'd done differently. Holes 10 and 11, like you said, were pretty similar shots, Although not exactly the same (#10 has more trees). In retrospect, it would have been better to use the longer pin on #10; It's a bit longer and turns a little to the right, making the basket harder to get to. Rollers work well, and it's not an easy 3 like the one we used.

Shawnee Mission / Thoughts/Feedback
« on: February 18, 2013, 07:35:21 PM »
With 90 people playing the Frostbreaker this weekend, and I know more of you have been playing these last few weeks, I just wanted everyone's thoughts on how SMP looks nowadays. We added a handful of new pins, put in some more trashcans, and did other course improvements.

It seemed to me like most people like the new stuff, but I wanted to get as much feedback as possible.

I also wanted to note, before anyone says anything. The gravel around the teepads serves a couple of purposes-

-Levels off the Tees, some had significant drop-offs. For safety's sake, now no one can roll their ankle off the pad or anything.
-In the case of rain, it should hopefully keep things dry around the tee. Even if it's wet on the gravel, we won't have mud issues.

I also want to say that I don't love the gravel, but it's an improvement on how things were before and it solves those problems. So it fixed those issues, but it's not perfect. I'd still be interested in hearing what you guys think of if, I just wanted to explain the rationale.

I'll see you all there tomorrow, I've been really excited for this for a while and I'm glad there's been so much interest in this tournament from everyone who signed up.

Oh, and I have Bag Tag #12 :)

Thanks for helping pick up trash guys, sorry about any other issues you had...

General Banter / Re: Innova Tern - Pre Release Holiday
« on: February 10, 2013, 11:17:58 PM »
I seen em in various stores for $30, just saying.

EDIT: To clarify, I don't mean to be rude. But eBay prices are usually considerably inflated.

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