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Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: Course Installation
« on: February 11, 2010, 10:46:30 AM »
Good question.  I have not been told an exact date but baskets will be before May 22-23..  The parks dept never got the seed down before the winter which was a mistake.  It needs to be seeded still and if we have a wet spring it could get really messy.  I am recommending that they do not open it up untill mid May.  We are going to have a tourney May 22nd or 23rd.  I would like to see some grass taking hold before they open it up.  There was a great deal of dirt work out there and erosion could quickly become an issue.  Who wants to play in a big old muddy mess?

Tournaments / Re: Ice Bowl 2010
« on: February 05, 2010, 12:03:17 PM »
I see it like this.  I you are a guy that cashes in our leagues, or you will soon be cashing in our leagues, then you  need to give back to a good cause.  This is THE one event that we can use to promote our sport in a positive way.  This event has great reach and scope for public relations.  All these other events that we have, really do not mean much and hold much weight to the general public. 

The Ice Bowl is always a blast.  I would like to know if the Ice Bowl has ever been on a Saturday?  I would sure like it to fall on a Saturday.  Then maybe even do a glow round dubs or just continue the great festivities a little longer. 


Tournaments / Re: Ice Bowl 2010
« on: February 01, 2010, 08:50:36 AM »
Get there early and go play DU.  We flew through it and started down there about 9:00.  At times we would not see any other groups in front or behind. Maybe the guys behind were really slow and backing things up, but DU is the way to go.  No wind and the ground stays frozen longer becuase of all the shade. 

General Banter / Blue Springs Youth Sports and Rec Expo-Sat Jan 30th
« on: January 28, 2010, 04:41:57 PM »
Adams Pointe Conference Center
1400 Northeast Coronado Drive, Blue Springs, MO 64014

If anyone would be interested in coming to a Youth Sports and Rec Expo, it is January 30th from 9am to 1:00pm in Blue Springs.  The KCFDC will be represented by having a booth.  The parks and rec asked us if we would like to be involved and i said of course.  I thought it would be cool if we could put on a couple demos if we have enough room.  We have a booth by the hallway in order to do demos.  Supposedly the hallway we have, is one that everyone must pass through so we are not being shoved into the corner.  Plus i thought it would be cool to have a putting contest so  if anyone would like to donate some items that would be great.  Maybe some discs that are too light or ones you just do not like or want.

I thought this expo would also be a good time to pump  the tournament on  the weekend of May 22-23.  Dan Coffman and i have talked about several different ideas.  One idea was to have a 2 round tourney at LS  and BS Young park on Sunday, May 23rd.  This will be a KCFDC tourney.  We also are working on a second tourney, a grand opening tourney for Young Park for families and rec players on Saturday.  That event will be very similar to the ones that I have run at William Yates.  A tourney for total beginners with an extremely low entry fee and once you turn in your scorecard you get a raffel ticket for a prize. 

I know this is late notice, however if you would like to come out and support disc golf and the KCFDC, please come by.  And if you have some disc golf swag to give away in a raffle or putting contest that woud be great.  Rick was very kind and donated some items for the kids. 


Adams Pointe Conference Center
1400 Northeast Coronado Drive, Blue Springs, MO 64014

Smithville / Re: Call for Disc Golf Course Designers
« on: January 22, 2010, 12:49:44 PM »
Tom, how important is it to have a gravel base?  Is it even necessary?  i have seen folks often times drop gravel down after the skid comes in.  then rebar or mesh  is added on top.

What are the pro cons of dropping in gravel?  And expense wise is it worth it?

Smithville / Re: Three 18 hole disc golf courses?
« on: January 21, 2010, 10:35:48 AM »
I like the idea of creating water hazards.  However, parks dept has to be very committed to the project in order to invest the time and labor necessary to do all the dirt wort, installing culverts, installing bridges,  and installing drainage. It will be interesting to see how involved the parks dept will go with this project.  SHOCK AND AWE BABY!!  It definately does not hurt to ask for grand ideas and schemes as they are easy to accomplish in the beginning of the project, rather than years later.  GO FOT IT DAN!!  WE want moats, islands, alligators, and giant Dutch windmills ;D

Speaking of water holes, Young Park in Blue Springs has four holes where water seriously comes into play and then a fifth hole where water comes into to play if you go too aggresive on an uphill throw approach/drive.

Smithville / Re: Call for Disc Golf Course Designers
« on: January 20, 2010, 12:08:13 PM »
Mike S.H. has a great point.  If you want your course to have the nice touches, the pads need to be dug out with a skid and be flush to the ground.  Then after the pads are poured, they come back and do the dirt work around the pads giving you nice flat run up surfaces.  Think about all of the courses you play where you or others trip over the pads, whether throwing or not.  Plus,you want to be able to allow the mowers access to drive right over the pads and cut. 

The operator of the skid can get confused with all different shapes and dimensions so you have to make it as easy as possible for them.  Here is a tip: take flags and stake them in  30-40 feet in front of the pads.  this will give the skid operator a place to line up the machine. I am assuming some tees will require major dirt work to level it off.  By the time of dropping a bunch of dirt, all the old flags will be ran over, lost and destroyed.   By placing the flags out in front, it gives the skid operator a point of reference.  He will appreciate little tips like that becuase he does not understand where the fairway is, or where the basket is.  After you get the dirt work done, i might even be helpful to do the same idea with flags marking 30-40 feet in front of the tee boxes in case someone can't be  present.  I was not always able to be around when 35 pads were poured at Young park and mistakes get made. 

Smithville / Re: Call for Disc Golf Course Designers
« on: January 20, 2010, 10:18:04 AM »
If you do not keep things uniform, it becomes very troublesome for those pouring the pads.  Anytime pads go in, there can be a great deal of problems due to the lack of disc golf knowledge of the workers.  Ask Dirk.  When they start pouring and forming problems can arise.  Some folks from the club will need to be there to avoid any problems.  I have a pad a Young park that is off by a couple feet, even though it was marked with flags near the pad and then marked wiht flags 50 feet in front of the pad to help line it out. 

Keep it simple or plan on being there for every pad poured.

Smithville / Re: Baskets Made In USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: January 19, 2010, 04:04:45 PM »
Cooper, that seems odd that they did not bring their price down.  57 baskets being ordered will get you a discount.  Maybe since you did not have them submit it and send it through P&R email.  They have two prices  i believe.  A price for average joes and a price for vendors, course designers, and P&R.  They went down for me when i talked to them, maybe you just forgot to say PLEASE. ;D

Smithville / Re: Smithville Disc Golf Complex
« on: January 19, 2010, 01:39:56 PM »
we have lost many of the "pitch and putt" courses that many of us grew up playing, trying to compete with the Blue Valley's of the World, the Swope Gold's, the Tipped out thing is fun for the few that can throw it far, but to get interest, you need to build that fun course that I played and remember how bad we were feeling, you start small.

You can have a course that is more beginner friendly, but still be challenging.  If you have three courses up there, you want folks playing them.  The P&R wants to see people in there parks.  Of all the folks playing Rosie, how many check the board?  People that are replying on this board, may not generally reflect the masses. Is everyone going to give up playing their local courses just to go to Smithville?  I am not sure.  Think long term here.  This complex should hopefully outlive all of us.  Build something that folks of all ages can enjoy, not just the hard core discers on this site.  If the courses are too long, you are going to lose so many  potential park users and revenue dollars.  P&R will want to see players and the MONEY!

Have a couple really tough courses and one more beginner friendly but yet still challenging course. 

Smithville / Re: Baskets Made In USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: January 19, 2010, 12:06:57 PM »
If ordering 57 baskets, i would think there should a lot of room to work out a deal with the manufacturer.  When you buy a car, you do not walk in and say i will take the sticker price.  These companies have wiggle room built in.  One of these companies is going to make some money on this deal, so they should negotiate.  You should  be able to have them knock the price down on all baskets and throw in flags, discounts on signage, and extra sleeves for future placements.  I would call and talk to all the companies and ask them for bids. 

Smithville / Re: Call for Disc Golf Course Designers
« on: January 15, 2010, 11:42:24 AM »
Baskets, DGA Mach III  powder coated.  Don't settle for anything less.  Innova made in China, DGA made in USA.  Get it together sir.  And Tom sorry to slam on your baskets. 

Can you get the Mach 3's powder coated?  I thought it was only the 2's and 5's.    I do not think the 3's are listed under the options for powder coating, but i thought that i remembered seeing a picture of a Mach 3 powder coated on the website one time.  I remember thinking how cool the 3's looked powder coated. 

Interesting debate on baskets though.  It seems that so many people are divided between the M3's and the Discatchers.  I know that Olatha's baskets are getting up there in age, but the rust on the belt looks nasty.  that has always left kind of bad taste in my mouth.  If you pay big bucks for hunks of metal, you expect them to last.  Plus, some of the chains at Legacy were showing some signs of rust.  i talked to Innova about that when i was looking at baskets for Young park. 

Water Works / Re: 2pm Today if Interested
« on: December 22, 2009, 10:58:02 PM »
how did i miss you out there?   i got out there at 12 and left at 3:30.  i was just throwing several holes over and over.  i probably would have played but it was so nice to be able to practice becuase no one was out there.

Rosedale / Re: Down Under Work Day 11-27-09///New Pin placements//Tee Boxes
« on: November 28, 2009, 10:14:41 PM »
some down under tees are looking super nice.  each year it gets nicer and nicer. damn, if more people helped steve, we would have the best natural tee pads i have ever seen in the US.  i do not know who can argue with what you all are doing and i am in for your next work day.  it is really amazing and remarkable.  that is great stuff guys.  damn, some of those pads are straight up professional style and you folks out there that play on  saturdays enjoy the labor of love from Steve and others.  great job.  those stones around  some of the pads are set with perfection and look amazing.  top notch!!!  wow!!   DU is just getting better and better.  The baskets, the pads, the tee signs, the directional signs from Keizer, etc, it is looking fantastic and is such a gem. I had such a great time playing with the great guys that came out and helped out for the work day.  It really is not work.   Such a great time.  go work and then play!!!   
that was a great day!


Legacy Park - Lee's Summit / Re: Legacy Progress
« on: November 21, 2009, 07:27:18 PM »
It is very nice to see that Steve Casey and the parks dept are making some changes.  I was pleasantly surprised by the number of folks out playing today at Legacy.When driving into the park i jokingly asked, "is there some kind of tournament out here?" The parks dept has put money into this project and it has been a shame that the course was not getting the foot traffic.  However,

 "if you cut it, they will come."   

I definately understand the concerns and complaints that you constantly hear about (whether on the board or from park users) how ridiculously tall the rough is and  the nasty locust thorns.  However, the changes have made great improvements.  We got to applaud Steve Casey and their efforts.   How nice is it to be able to see across the fields and fairways?  Of course it is also great becuse you can find your discs easily.  I saw several rec groups and some coed groups and they were able to play at a decent pace.  That pace does not happen when the rough is super high and so tight.

It is great to see how much nicer the whole park looks with the mowing.  Every time i went out there to play, i felt like i was in my grandpa's  cattle pasture that boasts nasty locust and hedge thorns.  The parks dept is moving in the right direction by trimming up trees in the fairways.  Some fairways are actually resembling disc golf fairways that offer players reasonable escape routes or just reasonably safe places to walk without getting stabbed by thorns.   

Of course their are many problems with their design, but it is nice to see progress.  This is a step in the right direction and their actions will increase the foot traffic in the park.  I would really like to see the LS parks and rec put more trust into our course coordinator.  Although, it is nice to hear that they are taking recommendations from Brian but how about giving him the opportunity to do some of the minor tree trimming.   Or hey here is a crazy about a work day where the KCFDC gets the course trimmed up to disc golf standards.  Our club is responible for bring the worlds biggest disc golf tournament in history to KC and we probably are somewhat knowledgeable in tree trimming.   It is not a woody course, so why have all your trees looking like they belong in a nasty over grown woody conservation area.   This is where Blue Springs has done an excellent job with Young park.  They understand what type of course they have and they trust in my judgement.  They allow me the freedom to do the trimming necessary to make a hole fair, safe, and presentable.  Bryan Harrelson and myself dropped a big tree and made huge piles of brush and they were on it.  It really is not much different with so many of our other courses and their respected parks depts. 

Dan is very accurate with the subject-Legacy Progress.  It is great to see progress and i hope it continues and i  would be glad to volunteer out there for any work day. Keep up the good work Steve Casey and LS parks and rec.


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