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Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: list of areas/things that need work

« on: April 03, 2015, 07:28:40 PM »

10 is in that location currently and 16 was installed as well.  16's basket has not moved into the new location yet.


My goal for grass OB delineation is to have areas of OB to be populated by bluestem sedgrebroom.  That variety of bluestem is found all over the park and is orange right now.  it also stays the same height and that makes disc hunting very easy.   so for casual play it works well and folks can see OB from great distances.

plus the orange fall color is amazing with the backdrop of green grass in fairways.  gives a golf course type feel.

thanks for the comments.  the park does read this page.  they were asking me about things that players were commenting  on  last Wed when we were out digging and planting some 45+ trees.

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Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: Rock wash on hole 1

« on: April 03, 2015, 02:23:26 PM »

Nate Zier and myself met with the parks department on Monday.  Nate did an excellent job of representing the club and it was very beneficial having him there...so thank you Nate.  The meeting went well and the parks department took many notes and we have an action plan set for several agenda items.  The tree barricade on 17 was removed on Wed and all broken/missing valve box lids will be replaced soon as well.

Other projects include moving a couple tee pads, one for a slight redesign and another for an improvement.  Also talks of adding a couple new pins as well in areas for redesign .  Work will not start until after Memorial day since new rec center is a high priority.  But... meeting went well and we hope to make some changes that will improve some holes. 

As we get closer i will coordinate with the park to have a work day to help aid the parks department in this process.

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Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: list of areas/things that need work

« on: April 03, 2015, 02:15:02 PM »

we planted  trees yesterday on the following holes
#1 -2 locations
#5 -1 location
#10-1 location
#17- 2 locations


they are just saplings but we planted 4-8 trees in a grouping.  they are spraying the grass to kill it off and then mulching a big area around the trees(10x10 foot area).

Most of the trees will likely not survive, but it is a start and when they come across some money for trees we now have some areas marked off with mulch to make the process easier.  There is also talk of planting some tall grasses in front of those locations as well. 

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General Banter / Re: Belton Course

« on: April 02, 2015, 08:39:14 PM »

I want to set the record straight and let folks know what went down before this terrible design. I have not said much about this and for a awhile just went about and concentrated on other projects.   I did not design this current course but was very involved with this property and had a sold design, ordered the baskets and got the basket quotes, consulted for years with Belton, physically cut out and marked much of the property.

what is really terrible besides the course design is how Belton has handled themselves in this process. We had a verbal agreement and i started working on this course and had 70 hrs of cutting and walking/marking the property.   And then they backed out after we had been working together for over a year and after we had verbally agreed to work together, discussed costs for design, etc etc.  I did not even realize that they backed out until 8 months later.  Ouch! But i guess that is why you have to have things in writing, even though a handshake can be legally binding in certain situation.     

So...i had tons of meetings, emails, texts, phone conversations, maps made, way points on the city's gps Tremble machine and then..... they pulled back and leave you hanging.  So  Belton obviously does not believe honoring  verbal contracts and handshakes.

This is why Jordan and myself are getting contracts in place for another design.  No one deserves to be treated  unprofessionally, taking advantage of, and burned like Belton has demonstrated.  Too many outstanding park departments locally for folks to spend their valuable time. 


Bad course?  Well that likely starts with how folks at Belton P&R handle their business and how they  value disc golf, disc golfers and designers.  So if you are helping them fix up their mess...do yourself a favor and get something in writing and make them pay you for your services.  If you are an experienced player and want to help them fix their mess....they need to pay you for your work.  Designs are not free and they need to be held accountable and treat folks professionally.  It is really too bad that they do not see the value in doing things professionally.   But hey... like Eric said... drive a couple miles away and you will find a park board and park department that values disc golfers, disc golfer feedback and quality well thought out designs.

I hope the course can be fixed and done properly.  Great piece of land and it is shame that they failed to capture what it has to offer.

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Rosedale / Re: Rosedale Park closing this summer

« on: April 01, 2015, 03:24:23 PM »

Terrible.  I heard WYCO was being pulled for some soccer fields.

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Legacy Park - Lee's Summit / Re: Legacy 2015 Summer League

« on: March 31, 2015, 12:31:19 PM »

that is nice work.  thanks for doing that.  any chance you can send me a pdf of the consolidated league info?  i want to print it off and laminate it and hang at some local EJC courses.

thanks,
john

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Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: new pin locations

« on: March 30, 2015, 03:30:45 PM »

Hole 2-    i ran out of room when putting that hole in. When laying out the  course, it was hard to navigate and it just ended up being too short.  it needs to be about 75 feet longer into the cubby and then it plays a lot better at a 175 approach.   It was supposed to be a 4.  the second shot is too short if you go around. 

so...not sure how to fix it besides widening the gap.  and not sure i want to start that process of no return. 

And being able to throw a thumber is great.  Why not have some holes that can be thumbed?  The hole course is a bit much, but to me i see the thumber similar to being able to shot a floater in basketball.  it is  a freaking tough shot and is nothing like  the motion you would use on a regular jump shot, no follow through and all pushing motion  with no ball rotation.  So... if you practice a thumber and can do it...it should be another weapon and advantage.

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Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: Rock wash on hole 1

« on: March 27, 2015, 04:15:39 PM »

after the meeting on monday i will likely have some things we can work on. 

thanks for your interest bill.

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Young Park - Blue Springs / Future meeting with parks dept-concerns/issues that need reported

« on: March 27, 2015, 12:32:16 PM »

Thanks for offering to help.  I would like to keep trees to the right side of the wash.  Eventually this trees will take out/make it tougher to use the cheat route hyzer over parking lot.  So... i am trusting your judgement to trim from the bridge to about half way across the rip rap wash way. 

Also, Nate Zier and myself will be meeting with the park officials on Monday. So if you have any concerns/wish list items please post on here. 

my list:
17's brush pile removal (from a disc golfer and he should remove it but he hasn't)
irrigation covers that are missing
trash on AA
replacement of practice basket
....

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Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: Parking issues- Sat, March 28th due to Easter Egg Hunt

« on: March 24, 2015, 10:00:49 AM »

I made a mistake on previous post.  I originally put April 4th, however, it is this weekend March 28th.

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Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Parking issues- Sat, March 28th due to Easter Egg Hunt

« on: March 23, 2015, 10:16:13 PM »

There is a Easter Egg Hunt on Sat, March 28th at Stocksdale park.  I was told to post this from the park workers that the course will still be open and that there should not be much interference with the course.  However, each year there are around 500+ cars and easily over 1000 folks in the park.  Parking ends up backing all the way up to the radio station if coming from the north near William Jewel.

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Young Park - Blue Springs / new pin locations

« on: March 21, 2015, 08:34:50 PM »

Thanks to Pate, Max, and Jack for their help in moving baskets today.

2 right -in cubby
3 long
5 left
6 right
9 right
13 long
14 straight
17 right

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Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: list of areas/things that need work

« on: March 19, 2015, 10:56:40 AM »

Flags were installed yesterday on gold baskets
3/8 gold
10
14
16
18

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Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: list of areas/things that need work

« on: March 18, 2015, 03:42:02 PM »

Great ideas.  Thanks.  The park guys will hopefully see some of your recommendations for future improvements.  I believe some benches are in the works.

There was talk of flags for some of the baskets.  not sure where that stands.  Not all the baskets(wood holes) need flags and i hope that we could get some flags for the open holes. 

#10 i was hoping to talk to the main mower named Reno.  I want him to leave me a tall strip of  grass to the right running the length of the fairway shaped like a question mark ?  for lack of better term.  leaving more area around the basket to be open and then be less area along the top of the hill where it flattens out.   i will try to get some flags put out once they do their first cut on the soccer field to mark what not to mow.  This ideas works better than an OB mando.

OB areas of grass- i have asked for a different type of seed to be planted out there to help delineate the OB.  When the fescue goes  dormant it bends over and it is hard to identify OB.  I want to get more of the broomsedge bloomstem that is currently on several holes out there for OB.  Plus the broomsedge is beautiful in the fall, winter and spring.  Even in the summer when it changes colors back it is not too tall and obnoxious to find your disc in. 

# 8 and #10 OB tall grass- i designed it to be an OB hazard that you play your lie from were it lands OB .  this way if you go for the big shot off the tee, there is a chance that if you go OB, you can make your putt to save par.  Despite what the par says, those holes are not a par 4.  Many pro players playing a gold hole that is under 500 can reach close enough to birdie  the hole.  #10,  unfortunately the wind can be a head wind so it is not as forgiving, but #8 is set up a big turnover and  with a lt to rt wind push. also this type of OB ruling will  speed up  play  since folks may not know if they go OB off the tee.  those holes are designed for just the few in town that throw 450+.  But i have talked to some who do and i know that they have reached those pins on both baskets. Those are gold holes and there should be gold holes that reward bombers and force mortals to lay up. 

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Tournaments / Re: 33rd Annual Kansas City Wide Open - June 19-21, 2015

« on: March 17, 2015, 08:10:53 PM »

What does the Am. Players pack consist of ?

Seriously.......?  Can we get the courses done and help in the event before we worry about "what do I get?"  Here is the deal, GBO is all ran by a DG company where you get their stuff.

The Wide Open is ran by volunteers that scrape to get you what we can on the time we have.

Let's help why not ask, "Hey how can I help in getting the players pack more awesome?" instead.....

VOLUNTEERS NEEDED!

I will be there to spot.  I scheduled my family vacation around it along with  another hip surgery.  However, folks should have the right to volunteer, play, watch, not give a shat about the event,give a shat about the event,  and ask lots of questions without being called out.  Folks should not be worried about someone guilting them for not volunteering.  I do not understand this thinking.  It just turns folks away from not wanting anything to do with the club.  It is such a great event and keeping things positive  and fun should be our focus as a club.