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Smithville / Re: Three 18 hole disc golf courses?
« on: January 21, 2010, 10:35:48 am »
I like the idea of creating water hazards.  However, parks dept has to be very committed to the project in order to invest the time and labor necessary to do all the dirt wort, installing culverts, installing bridges,  and installing drainage. It will be interesting to see how involved the parks dept will go with this project.  SHOCK AND AWE BABY!!  It definately does not hurt to ask for grand ideas and schemes as they are easy to accomplish in the beginning of the project, rather than years later.  GO FOT IT DAN!!  WE want moats, islands, alligators, and giant Dutch windmills ;D

Speaking of water holes, Young Park in Blue Springs has four holes where water seriously comes into play and then a fifth hole where water comes into to play if you go too aggresive on an uphill throw approach/drive.

Smithville / Re: Call for Disc Golf Course Designers
« on: January 20, 2010, 12:08:13 pm »
Mike S.H. has a great point.  If you want your course to have the nice touches, the pads need to be dug out with a skid and be flush to the ground.  Then after the pads are poured, they come back and do the dirt work around the pads giving you nice flat run up surfaces.  Think about all of the courses you play where you or others trip over the pads, whether throwing or not.  Plus,you want to be able to allow the mowers access to drive right over the pads and cut. 

The operator of the skid can get confused with all different shapes and dimensions so you have to make it as easy as possible for them.  Here is a tip: take flags and stake them in  30-40 feet in front of the pads.  this will give the skid operator a place to line up the machine. I am assuming some tees will require major dirt work to level it off.  By the time of dropping a bunch of dirt, all the old flags will be ran over, lost and destroyed.   By placing the flags out in front, it gives the skid operator a point of reference.  He will appreciate little tips like that becuase he does not understand where the fairway is, or where the basket is.  After you get the dirt work done, i might even be helpful to do the same idea with flags marking 30-40 feet in front of the tee boxes in case someone can't be  present.  I was not always able to be around when 35 pads were poured at Young park and mistakes get made. 

Smithville / Re: Call for Disc Golf Course Designers
« on: January 20, 2010, 10:18:04 am »
If you do not keep things uniform, it becomes very troublesome for those pouring the pads.  Anytime pads go in, there can be a great deal of problems due to the lack of disc golf knowledge of the workers.  Ask Dirk.  When they start pouring and forming problems can arise.  Some folks from the club will need to be there to avoid any problems.  I have a pad a Young park that is off by a couple feet, even though it was marked with flags near the pad and then marked wiht flags 50 feet in front of the pad to help line it out. 

Keep it simple or plan on being there for every pad poured.

Smithville / Re: Baskets Made In USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: January 19, 2010, 04:04:45 pm »
Cooper, that seems odd that they did not bring their price down.  57 baskets being ordered will get you a discount.  Maybe since you did not have them submit it and send it through P&R email.  They have two prices  i believe.  A price for average joes and a price for vendors, course designers, and P&R.  They went down for me when i talked to them, maybe you just forgot to say PLEASE. ;D

Smithville / Re: Smithville Disc Golf Complex
« on: January 19, 2010, 01:39:56 pm »
we have lost many of the "pitch and putt" courses that many of us grew up playing, trying to compete with the Blue Valley's of the World, the Swope Gold's, the Tipped out thing is fun for the few that can throw it far, but to get interest, you need to build that fun course that I played and remember how bad we were feeling, you start small.

You can have a course that is more beginner friendly, but still be challenging.  If you have three courses up there, you want folks playing them.  The P&R wants to see people in there parks.  Of all the folks playing Rosie, how many check the board?  People that are replying on this board, may not generally reflect the masses. Is everyone going to give up playing their local courses just to go to Smithville?  I am not sure.  Think long term here.  This complex should hopefully outlive all of us.  Build something that folks of all ages can enjoy, not just the hard core discers on this site.  If the courses are too long, you are going to lose so many  potential park users and revenue dollars.  P&R will want to see players and the MONEY!

Have a couple really tough courses and one more beginner friendly but yet still challenging course. 

Smithville / Re: Baskets Made In USA!!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: January 19, 2010, 12:06:57 pm »
If ordering 57 baskets, i would think there should a lot of room to work out a deal with the manufacturer.  When you buy a car, you do not walk in and say i will take the sticker price.  These companies have wiggle room built in.  One of these companies is going to make some money on this deal, so they should negotiate.  You should  be able to have them knock the price down on all baskets and throw in flags, discounts on signage, and extra sleeves for future placements.  I would call and talk to all the companies and ask them for bids. 

Smithville / Re: Call for Disc Golf Course Designers
« on: January 15, 2010, 11:42:24 am »
Baskets, DGA Mach III  powder coated.  Don't settle for anything less.  Innova made in China, DGA made in USA.  Get it together sir.  And Tom sorry to slam on your baskets. 

Can you get the Mach 3's powder coated?  I thought it was only the 2's and 5's.    I do not think the 3's are listed under the options for powder coating, but i thought that i remembered seeing a picture of a Mach 3 powder coated on the website one time.  I remember thinking how cool the 3's looked powder coated. 

Interesting debate on baskets though.  It seems that so many people are divided between the M3's and the Discatchers.  I know that Olatha's baskets are getting up there in age, but the rust on the belt looks nasty.  that has always left kind of bad taste in my mouth.  If you pay big bucks for hunks of metal, you expect them to last.  Plus, some of the chains at Legacy were showing some signs of rust.  i talked to Innova about that when i was looking at baskets for Young park. 

Water Works / Re: 2pm Today if Interested
« on: December 22, 2009, 10:58:02 pm »
how did i miss you out there?   i got out there at 12 and left at 3:30.  i was just throwing several holes over and over.  i probably would have played but it was so nice to be able to practice becuase no one was out there.

Rosedale / Re: Down Under Work Day 11-27-09///New Pin placements//Tee Boxes
« on: November 28, 2009, 10:14:41 pm »
some down under tees are looking super nice.  each year it gets nicer and nicer. damn, if more people helped steve, we would have the best natural tee pads i have ever seen in the US.  i do not know who can argue with what you all are doing and i am in for your next work day.  it is really amazing and remarkable.  that is great stuff guys.  damn, some of those pads are straight up professional style and you folks out there that play on  saturdays enjoy the labor of love from Steve and others.  great job.  those stones around  some of the pads are set with perfection and look amazing.  top notch!!!  wow!!   DU is just getting better and better.  The baskets, the pads, the tee signs, the directional signs from Keizer, etc, it is looking fantastic and is such a gem. I had such a great time playing with the great guys that came out and helped out for the work day.  It really is not work.   Such a great time.  go work and then play!!!   
that was a great day!


Legacy Park - Lee's Summit / Re: Legacy Progress
« on: November 21, 2009, 07:27:18 pm »
It is very nice to see that Steve Casey and the parks dept are making some changes.  I was pleasantly surprised by the number of folks out playing today at Legacy.When driving into the park i jokingly asked, "is there some kind of tournament out here?" The parks dept has put money into this project and it has been a shame that the course was not getting the foot traffic.  However,

 "if you cut it, they will come."   

I definately understand the concerns and complaints that you constantly hear about (whether on the board or from park users) how ridiculously tall the rough is and  the nasty locust thorns.  However, the changes have made great improvements.  We got to applaud Steve Casey and their efforts.   How nice is it to be able to see across the fields and fairways?  Of course it is also great becuse you can find your discs easily.  I saw several rec groups and some coed groups and they were able to play at a decent pace.  That pace does not happen when the rough is super high and so tight.

It is great to see how much nicer the whole park looks with the mowing.  Every time i went out there to play, i felt like i was in my grandpa's  cattle pasture that boasts nasty locust and hedge thorns.  The parks dept is moving in the right direction by trimming up trees in the fairways.  Some fairways are actually resembling disc golf fairways that offer players reasonable escape routes or just reasonably safe places to walk without getting stabbed by thorns.   

Of course their are many problems with their design, but it is nice to see progress.  This is a step in the right direction and their actions will increase the foot traffic in the park.  I would really like to see the LS parks and rec put more trust into our course coordinator.  Although, it is nice to hear that they are taking recommendations from Brian but how about giving him the opportunity to do some of the minor tree trimming.   Or hey here is a crazy about a work day where the KCFDC gets the course trimmed up to disc golf standards.  Our club is responible for bring the worlds biggest disc golf tournament in history to KC and we probably are somewhat knowledgeable in tree trimming.   It is not a woody course, so why have all your trees looking like they belong in a nasty over grown woody conservation area.   This is where Blue Springs has done an excellent job with Young park.  They understand what type of course they have and they trust in my judgement.  They allow me the freedom to do the trimming necessary to make a hole fair, safe, and presentable.  Bryan Harrelson and myself dropped a big tree and made huge piles of brush and they were on it.  It really is not much different with so many of our other courses and their respected parks depts. 

Dan is very accurate with the subject-Legacy Progress.  It is great to see progress and i hope it continues and i  would be glad to volunteer out there for any work day. Keep up the good work Steve Casey and LS parks and rec.


Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: Course Installation
« on: November 21, 2009, 06:33:49 pm »
what are you doing walking and not playing on a wonderful day like today?   I got the pleasure of playing 2 and 1/2 rounds today-p hill, yates, and legacy.  you are right, Young park is looking good and it is definately different for KC.

and how about Legacy?  It was looking real good.   Get out there and  play it folks!  It is all mowed down and some minor tree work has been done. 

Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: Course Installation
« on: November 10, 2009, 04:19:02 pm »
Tee pads were in months ago.  Most of the time you want to wait awhile on a new course and see how the course plays before you starting pouring pads.  However, Young park is land locked so not as many options.  You know that a whole has to be here or there and the same goes with the tees.  They are some of the nicer tees  in KC.  They are 15x 5 (3 feet longer than some others courses)and there are two tee pads on 17 holes.  The short ones are very short but that is great for families,beginners and casuals. 


Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: Course Installation
« on: November 10, 2009, 09:58:46 am »
All anchor sleeves have been installed.  I have not seen this before on a course, but it is a nice concept. 

I was out there last Tuesday afternoon and they had a crew out there working. The bridge between 16/17 looks fantastic.   I would imagine that the second bridge would be finished by mid week. They are also building some smaller walking bridges and the forms were set and poured last week.   All the dirt work around the pads has been finished and been seeded.  The tractor should be in this week dropping seed throughout the course.

The baskets are Mach V's powder coated with Orange Blaze.  They are going to pop in the woods like DU's baskets.  They were in the shop when i was there last week and have not been assembled yet.  It is Roscoe's goal getting the course open by the Fall so we will see. 

Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: Blue Springs Young Park Work Day Oct 31
« on: November 04, 2009, 02:51:26 pm »
All the 36 anchor sleeves should be installed by tomorrow.  They are doing something pretty cool with the anchor sleeves.  If you go to DGA website under installation
(, you will find sleeves installed inside "Valve Cover Boxes".  When the anchor is not in use, the top of the cover box is put back on and a screw holds the top cover in place. 

Anyone else ever seen this on a course?  Seems like an extra expense but it is nice when moving baskets and you do not get malaria infested water splashed all over you.

They also finished the main bridge between 16 and 17 and it is first class.  Another group of guys were doing dirt work around the pads finishing them up and dropping seed.  They are working real hard and have a nice week of weather to get this thing close to being done.

Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: Blue Springs Young Park Work Day Oct 31
« on: November 02, 2009, 02:41:35 pm »
It has been one of the coolest things i have ever had the privilege of doing.  Transforming the land is so exiting.  Designing a course from scratch is awesome.  You get to let your imagination run freely and your visions of  the course change  like the weather.  Taking over grown woody land and transforming it is amazing. Seeing it go from the most nasty thorn ridden razor wire, walls of dense brush, trees growning too closely choking one another, 15 ft visibility in mosts spots, and accomplishing the task of squeezing in 18 hole course into limited space is really special.  i am very excited about the project and hope that i accomplished my goal of creating a unique course to KC. 

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