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General Banter / Disc Golf on Real World
« on: May 12, 2013, 09:24:33 AM »
My wife just told me about a clip of disc golf on the Real World in Portland  It was good video, better than most on tv shows where they just talk about playing disc.  Look closely at one of the discs they are throwing.  It aired on May 8th.

General Banter / Re: Liberty work days at Stocksdale Park
« on: May 10, 2013, 04:40:37 PM »
I will be out at Liberty tomorrow at 9am. Plenty of things can be done.  No tools are necessary.   I have two back pack sprayers and we can spray areas for ivy, cut and drag and clean up holes etc. 

call me if you are out make it out.

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General Banter / Re: Liberty work days at Stocksdale Park
« on: April 28, 2013, 07:11:17 PM »
Big thanks to Ian Stone and Todd Hall.  Much work was done today and will give the parks dept a better idea where to run the brush hog.  Can't thank these guys enough.

General Banter / Re: Liberty work days at Stocksdale Park
« on: April 27, 2013, 08:41:42 AM »
Work day this Sunday, 10 am at Stocksdale Park.   Plenty of work that anyone with or without tools can do. 

General Banter / Re: Friday Traveling League 4/26/2013 We're back
« on: April 25, 2013, 04:04:39 PM »
honestly, my feelings aren't hurt.  i hope that i am more thick skinned than that.    i appreciate that you do not drink beer out there.  thank you for being responsible and i hope other players that enjoy beer and liquor as much as i do, follow the same rules.  The course has many limitations and can only improve.  the baskets do need inner chains as well.  we are working on those things.  not super important for  a rec course, but Bill wants the course to be something that golfers can be proud of. 

i tend to play courses for fun and worry less about score now as well after some cartilage wearing issues. 

General Banter / Re: Friday Traveling League 4/26/2013 We're back
« on: April 25, 2013, 12:54:22 PM »
Fox Hill has some weak holes and the pads are not the best.  Friday traveling league would not be allowed to play out there during the day due to school hours.  Getting 25k in donations to put in a course is not the easiest thing.  Maybe one day we will have some better tee pads. There will be an asphalt running trail through those woods so those pads could be updated in near future.   Do not put anything past Bill Lentz, the pe teacher at Fox Hill.  He is the man.  It is guys like him that buy into  building beginner courses that will make this sport grow.    Bill does not even play disc golf.  How crazy is that?  Here is a guy that is killing himself out there to give the community something fun to play.  He is not a member of the club, not a member of the PDGA, just a regular guy that wants to give kids an alternative fitness activity.  Hundreds of back breaking hours to make the community better.  That is an example of  a human with such a  powerful, selfless, giving spirit.  Bill and Aric Anderson are working super hard at getting a course at Staley HS.  This is how the sport and the spirit of the sport grows... by building beginner weak courses. 

General Banter / Re: Liberty work days at Stocksdale Park
« on: April 25, 2013, 12:43:28 PM »
that is great to know.  i have some areas that i lined out for folks to cut the honeysuckle and pull it.  i was just going to have the person pour Tordon on the tip.  i was also thinking about an idea similar to yours this past week.  the extensive mtn bike and walking trails in this park have encountered these issues and they have to work the stump out in order to have nice dirt path.  i was thinking of getting my mavic super sharp and using that to get the stump to grade level.  Then put on tordon. And now i will try to add dirt over the stump. 

thanks for the tip. 

General Banter / Re: Liberty work days at Stocksdale Park
« on: April 25, 2013, 11:51:53 AM »
i will be out working tonight if anyone in the north land would like to join me.  i will be there by 5. 

Young Park - Blue Springs / Re: League 4/24
« on: April 24, 2013, 04:11:40 PM »
a bunch of baskets were moved thanks to Brandon and First Run Lake Jake.  Some areas have been roped off to encourage players to walk around certain parts of the course.  if you see any areas of rope torn down, it would be nice if someone could retie them, please and thanks. 

General Banter / Liberty work days at Stocksdale Park
« on: April 23, 2013, 01:35:28 PM »
First official work day will be this Sunday, April 28th at 10am at Stocksdale Park.  Bring your big bad self and if no tools, then that is fine.  I have plenty of things to use. 

I will also be heading up this Thursday, April 25th at 5:00 if the weather holds out.

contact me at

Cliff Drive / Re: Shame-so many should feel it....
« on: April 23, 2013, 01:29:24 PM »
 I want folks to know that Liberty will be having work days every weekend  till we open this place up.I will start posting what time and what date under GENERAL BANTER- LIBERTY WORK DAYS.   If you are interested in helping with tee pa/pin locations and practice throwing the course, moving debris, cutting out roots with loppers  left from the brush hog, spraying ivy, etc please let me know.  i go out and work every TR because my wife has class and i get the free pass. i am also up there every wknd on Sat or Sun, sometimes both.   I have always tried to get other players involved in the design process.  Dickie P and Daniel Loomis have been out to walk the park with me. i also asked Jack.  Most of the route was laid out beforehand(but can change), but both guys have made tremendous recommendations that will make this park so much better.  Sometimes once the route is set, there are minor changes that can be made and sometimes major, but most routes do not get altered too much.  one person has to pick the best route out that offers greatest holes.  i appreciate feedback and would love get a group of players out to Liberty to throw the course.  We also need help out there working. some holes have only been rough cut and there is much debris that can be moved by hand.  just moving debris would be a huge help.  their park dept is pretty small and it would mean a great deal for us to go out and clean up some holes. when i am out cutting, it would be so nice to have extra hands pulling or for me to pull and someone else cut.  you do not need 15 chainsaws out there working.  One good mid-grade saw and one sharp chain will cut out a line in a few hours.  after you  drop a tree though it needs to be cut up, moved and pushed off to the side.  i also have a couple back pack sprayers and chemicals and would be glad to educate anyone on what ivy looks like.  Spraying for ivy is huge and saves the park guys tons of labor hours.  If you would like to help in anyone at Liberty, please email me at This course is really coming along and will please all levels of players.  I am pushing hard for multiple pads so all can enjoy.  Wind, woods, water, elevation-it has it all.

General Banter / Re: M.I.A.
« on: April 22, 2013, 12:55:08 PM »
that is so awesome.  almost unbelievable.  hitting on the second try was the best part.  But then again one could argue...

his stach was better
his shorts were better
his fist pumps were better
his sweet 360 jump at the end was better.

Tough call.  the whole video is so flipping cool and classic.

Tournaments / Re: Elk's Charity Disc Golf Tournament April 20th 2013
« on: April 20, 2013, 07:15:54 PM »
Super fun event.  thanks tom.

left an orange blizzard boss on hole 10.  no name on it but in the 130's.  threw over water and forgot to pick it up. 

Water Works / Re: Water Works League - 04/18/2013
« on: April 19, 2013, 05:14:43 PM »
I do not call folks out for not showing up to work days.  go back on my posts and look.  i called folks out on tearing up the turf.  I am being an advocate for the park.  so is jack.  I  do not get upset when folks do not come out to help and  that is not what this is all about.  i do it because i have had the free time to do it and i want to be proactive. It is my choice to do the work and i do not give folks a hard time for not working on courses.  I called out folks for stressing the turf.  It is tough to maintain these courses and i do what i can to help minimize the damage.   others can be cautious where they play and when they play.   i do not have the skills to work a computer and applaud the efforts of the board, tech team, and countless volunteers.   

 I am that random guy off the street that does the fixing.  that is fact.  throwing out seed and stomping it in is not too much to ask for someone.  that is easy to do.   if i do not do it, then who will?  that is not a call out.  When courses get abused i get frustrated with the work that i put into the course and then it seems to me that the hard work put into the course is just being discarded.  Three of my courses were completely over grown neglected woods  with run off trenches everywhere.  It takes a lot of man power, machinery, time, and money to make the ground look nice and pretty.  ANd most park departments do not consider us the main priority.  An inch of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  Water is an amazingly powerful beast that takes the easiest path.

  i know that hilly courses drain better than flat ones.  that is common sense and you all made the common sense judgement  to play.  Young is playable often after storms, but that is because we have some turf established.  plus it is much younger of a course than WW and Cliff and does not get super heavy traffic.  We also have been very proactive in protecting areas.  We have bad erosion on hole 4 and 5 and it drives me crazy.  Getting turf reestablished on hills is problematic and i believe that we need to start roping off areas, heavily deep seeding, covering with hay and watching the fruits of our labor blossom in one measly month. That is my main point in this long winded rant.

  So..... WW  was not muddy, it drained off and everyone is happy.   

Water Works / Re: Water Works League - 04/18/2013
« on: April 19, 2013, 01:07:05 PM »
meh.. I guess. Well what about the golfers who throw rollers on dry days. they're leaving an evil little trail of erosion with every foot of roller distance. Plus I think the erosion around the tee pad and pin is the real issue here.

My point is, if the erosion is in such a danger situation that we cant have a league night because of saturated wetness, we need to find an actual long term solution. Fortifying pins and greens, moving holes, redesigning holes.. I don't know though, I'm not the pro here like a Jackie Blowe or Tracy Stalker  ::)

Plus if Water Works washed away tomorrow, how would you feel knowing you never got to say goodbye to her one last time tonight?? eh?

Ya, i do have a plan.  I have roped off many fairways at Young last year and have spread a bunch of seed.  i personally raked in all the seed i put out last Fall.  Then i called in favors from my wife's family and got a ton of hay bales to throw over the seed.  Hay is very expensive and so is seed, especially right now after a super dry couple years.

  did it suck putting in all that work, uhhh.. yes.  it sucks to hand rake  seed in for an entire park.  Now this Spring i have continued to throw out more seed when the ground is just right mix of moisture where foot traffic stomps the seed in.  i will start roping off fairways  next week after the Elks event.   So, yes i do have a plan and have tried very hard to make that course look fantastic.  as Jack says, be part of the problem or be part of the solution.  Maybe you can do both.  there should be some balance.  Maybe when it is raining go play another course in town that has better established turf.  Once erosion starts, it is a losing battle and then more drastic measures have to occur.  And often the parks departments do not come out with their skid and regrade the runoff trench, or drop gravel, or hay and seed.  the parks departments can only fund so much to a non revenue generating  activity.  Pay to play?  these issues would be getting resolved. 

 I do not understand why players think that this is not an issue.  Look at Rosie, it looks like dog sh1t.  I do not even want to play there becuase i get so bothered by how run down it looks in spots and i love rosie.   That course continues to look worse and worse each year.  i agree, there needs to be a plan put into action.  I just do what i can on my local course.  What can you do?  With all these folks that need to get on here all the time and post , you obviously care about the sport.  Why not try give the course some TLC.  do whatever you can to show it some TLC.  Our courses need it, and with so many users, we need to have some sort of responsible action.  i applaud Jack when he cancelled.   I was actually smiling at my computer.  Waaaaa, waaa, waaa, the replies of folks complaining sounds like kindergartners at my school.  get over your self, your wants , your plans, your league night and go play some where else.

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