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Sorry for the late notice on this.  This Thursday, Nov 6th at 5pm Bad Rock Creek DGC will be officially open.  Liberty has demonstrated what a positive working relationship looks like among several parties involved in this  process.  Their commitment to this process from beginning to end has been outstanding. Their department was not afraid to invest in the type of work that is required to build and maintain a quality course.  Liberty is  another valued partner of the KCFDC. 

If anyone would like to send them a thank you, please email at   

Chris Wilson was the master mind of this project and has been 100% behind it from the get go. He trusted me and valued the input from so many golfers that have helped on this project.   



 by competitive are you meaning pro only?   i think many advanced players might enjoy the gold holes, but maybe i am wrong.

  If you have a women's division i would play from the  Red tees and maybe even if you have Rec division let those players play from the red. The red tees would be more appropriate for those divisions.

Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: Course Par?
« on: October 23, 2014, 09:26:46 am »
signs will be up soon.

i wanted a type of sign that we have yet to see in kc. a sign that 3 different pars.  public, advanced and pro.  i have not seen the artwork for the signs in awhile, but not sure my vision was completely followed.  i think there will be 2 different pars, public and pro.

Since courses do not have multiple tees for every skill level, pars should be adjusted.  the notion of everything is a 3 does not make sense to me.  For scoring it makes sense but not to be able to rate your level of play. 

depending on what tee you play from and what skill level you are, there are 3s, 4s and 5s.  no 5s for the pros.

not going to write em all down.  sorry, have to wait till signs are posted.

General Banter / Re: Independence Disc Golf Day - 10/25
« on: October 22, 2014, 01:08:52 pm »
Is the donor remaining anonymous?   

General Banter / Re: Independence Disc Golf Day - 10/25
« on: October 20, 2014, 12:43:13 pm »
I thought i was the only person without Facebook...hmmm...maybe there  are more of us out there?

Tournaments / Re: Fox Hill Juniors Tournament oct18
« on: October 16, 2014, 11:00:50 am »
We just got a box of goodies from Innova.  I know that Steve has several things coming in as well from Ben's sponsor.  DD is taking great care of us as well this year.  Thanks to everyone for their support.   

Weather looks amazing for Saturday.  Bring out your kid, niece or nephew, and take part one of the longest disc golf charity events in KC.  For $10 you get a disc, full size innova colored sticker, flight chart,  innova pin, and a raffle ticket.  Everyone will win something.   

Thanks again to all of our sponsors. 

Found and Lost / Re: 4 lost discs at Stockdale/BRC Disc course
« on: October 14, 2014, 12:16:29 pm »
the water is really high which has made for some interesting baskets near water.  there are some plans to eventually get a pipe for hole 15, not sure about hole 1-2.   the  pond by hole 15 is suprisingly deep at 12ft  in the center.  pond on hole 1 and 2 is no deeper than a couple feet. 

good luck hunting on the easier pond.   

Tournaments / Re: Fox Hill Juniors Tournament oct18
« on: October 09, 2014, 01:35:37 pm »
I posted this last year.  23 years later and still running an charity event juniors event. 

Here is a little history of Fox Hill disc golf and the doubles event.  Fox Hill's first PE teacher was Coach Duane Hall.  He started up a disc golf double tournament 22 years, back in 1991.  Coach Hall brought the event to Fox Hill from his former school, so the exact number of years is not known at this point.  Every year the event has raised funds for United Way.  The event has always cost $10 with all proceeds going to United Way.  It is believed that this event has raised between $5,000-$8,000 dollars over the last 22 years.  Coach Hall used the resources that he had available in supply closet, like so many PE teachers.  He made targets using cones, hula hoops, and homemade PVC flagsticks. 

Enter Coach Bill Lentz in  1995.  Bill picked up the tradition and continued to promote disc sports, disc golf, and ran the doubles event.  Folks have attended this event over the years to spend quality family time together, get some exercise, and raise funds for United Way.  Players did not complain about the types of baskets, the players pack, or the course set up.  They were simply out to have fun and huck some plastic.

Bill and I have been friends since we met at the Missouri Cupstacking Championship 11 years ago and he contacted me several years back about getting a disc golf course.  When we walked the land for the first time, I did not want to tell him how expensive it was going to be to clear all that land, grade it, seed it, spray it etc, but he remained optimistic.  Several years later, much to my amazement, Bill made Fox Hill a reality.  With thousand of dollars donated, thousands in machinery hours donated, thousand in time given by Messengers lawn care workers, Eagle Scout projects planned and finished, KCFDC work days,  Steve Dresser  running his skid, we now have  a real course to continue the legacy of Coach Duane Hall's doubles event.

Fox Hill Doubles will now be held for the 23rd year and Kansas City will be getting a quality Juniors event that will coincide with the longest running doubles event in Kansas City.  Don't miss out....... come out and join us for a fun filled family day of disc sports at the Kansas City Juniors Open on Oct 18th.

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William Yates Elementary / Re: Oct 4th Work Day
« on: October 08, 2014, 04:01:53 pm »
We had 8 folks out for  our work day.  We also are working on getting inner chains added to the baskets as well.  hopefully new tee signs if an eagle scout project get approved. 

thanks to epic church and to all the came out. 

Indep disc golf day is coming up.

General Banter / Re: Shared Use- MTBs and Disc Golf
« on: October 08, 2014, 12:45:19 pm »
Mnt bike  trails with switch backs take up enormous amounts of space.  Some trails are very linear, however, some sections have either tons of switch backs or go out and come back and will use same space but maybe 30-50 between trails.  Jack, i hope the mnt bikers are willing to offer you some space to work with and do not take up all the woods.   At BRC, there was nothing left in the woods that was untouched by the mtn bikers.  Their footprints is everywhere.  The few spots that we went into a BRC still have trails, however, those were the areas that had the fewest trails. 

I really hope they give you the space that you deserve to make something special. 

General Banter / Re: Shared Use- MTBs and Disc Golf
« on: October 08, 2014, 08:17:04 am »
I am not sure why we would want less courses?  Why drive 30 minutes if you can drive 10 minutes to play a great course?   Park departments want courses and often times the best land is already being used.  However, multipurpose parks hosts several things that an undeveloped park has

1. parking lots which costs thousands of dollars
2. bathrooms
3. water
4. likely been somewhat maintained and easier and cheaper to install a course
5. may previously get mowed so park does not increase mowing obligations as much as developing a new park
6.  shelters
7. playgrounds for your kids to use when you want to go throw a few holes

Mountain bikers and disc golfers both monopolize a ton of park space.  Sharing space and coexisting is a great model for both sports and will only increase traffic and interests for both sports.   So many disc golfers have this idea of this is our park or our space... i disagree with those thoughts and in order for the sport to grow we need to share the park and get more exposure.  Mike Keizer is correct when he wrote that folks just need to wait a second and let the riders have the right of way.  Calm down, take one more puff of your cigarette,  look in your bag one more second, and before you blink, the bike riders will have ridden away in the sunset.

General Banter / Re: Shared Use- MTBs and Disc Golf
« on: October 07, 2014, 05:55:21 pm »
Eric and Jack,
I have discussed with the trail steward  Clay and Matt Woody about different ideas at BRC.  BRC has some issues, but both groups want the same topography/densely covered areas.  So, in order to get the most of the parks, we need to start thinking how to address these issues.

some ideas we talked about were

- a bell with a rope/chain/pieces of material  that hangs down that the rider could grab/hit as they ride
-signs that would ask the user to call out"rider" or "Trail"

I know from riding trails that it can be scary at times when you are going too fast and you are not likely looking up  high off the ground so signs may be good in theory, but may not be very practical to other than the walkers.

On another note,  Fox Hill also has a walking trail and they recently had their "Disc Flying Area" signs stolen.  They were super nice and very expensive.  So, i  would bet that those $300 signs were stolen by disc golfers and now hanging in their man cave.  So damned if you do damned if you don't.    This is why i like the idea of some type of noise maker that hangs down.  Maybe something similar to the idea of really long tubes or  something like wind chimes  that are easy to hit with a swing of an arm versus trying to grab a rope/chain when bombing down a trail.

William Yates Elementary / Re: Oct 4th Work Day
« on: September 29, 2014, 04:18:49 pm »

Reminder that there is a workday at WYE on Oct 4th, at 9 am to ?   

Hoping to get WYE looking good for the Indep Disc Golf Day on Oct 25th. 

Tournaments / Re: Fox Hill Juniors Tournament oct18
« on: September 29, 2014, 04:15:19 pm »
 I believe it came down to dates that worked best for Bill Lentz the TD(pe teacher at Fox Hill).  Looking back at the numbers from last year and other Junior events that i have run, there has not been much participation from disc golfers and their kids so scheduling it against other events is not a big deal.  Plus, i have found that by the fall, there aren't many days available. In addition,  if we got a lot of guys that played disc golf bringing out their kids, then i would understand.  But, it tends to be about 70-30 with 30% being disc golfers/club members/tourney players supporting these events.  Bad timing for sure, but Bill was able that weekend so that is that.  Most of the kids that have shown up to the four Juniors events that i have been part of, were kids that i had taught or Bill had taught at his school.

I wish there were more weekends in the Fall to chose from, but kids have sports that go late into the fall. So there is a short window of dates to choose from.  However, if you wait too long, then you could have really bad weather and parents do not want to get out  in the cold and play a game/chaperon  that many do not know much about.    So, there are several factors that play in to this besides if it fits best into  the club schedule. 

The flyer will be out soon. I am not helping  this year and Bill is likely doing the best he can.  Not everybody loves disc golf, has the passion, the knowledge, like many of us on this forum. 

Liberty, MO - Stocksdale Park / Re: Liberty - BRC League Night 9/29
« on: September 24, 2014, 01:22:46 pm »
The green plastic caps with a rope through the middle are the alt pins.  you are correct Bill. 

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