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General Banter / Re: 18 Months...Discuss
« on: September 13, 2016, 05:06:33 PM »
Definitely a point / counter-point to all of this.

I think a big component is if you think BW was improving or keeping on with his own modus operandi.  How you view that topic is how you probably think the suspension is fair or not.  I can see it both ways.

General Banter / Re: 18 Months...Discuss
« on: September 13, 2016, 09:21:22 AM »
Very good counterpoint here.  I suggest reading it.  Again, I don't agree with his 100% either, but good points were made.

General Banter / Re: 18 Months...Discuss
« on: September 12, 2016, 04:35:23 PM »
Posted by the PDGA:

I don't agree with it 100%, but I think it is a fair response. 

PDGA Disciplinary Process Statement

Recently, there have been questions raised in social media regarding the specifics of the PDGA Disciplinary Process. This process may not be well known, especially by some of the newer members. Now seems like a good opportunity to let our members review the system that has been in place since October 15, 2009. While no member wants to be personally involved in this part of the sport, unfortunately, there sometimes are circumstances that require oversight and intervention.

The disciplinary process begins with a written complaint from a PDGA member or from the Tournament Director report when there is a disqualification involved.  The chairperson of the Disciplinary Committee decides if the complaint is warranted and presents it to the committee. During this process, the chairperson attempts to procure written statements and initiate phone conversations with all parties involved.  The statements/findings are presented to the committee for review and discussion. All infractions, past and present, are taken into consideration. Infractions incurred while under probation and multiple infractions can typically result in a combination of suspension periods. After discussion of all relevant considerations, a choice of disciplinary actions is presented for a vote in the form of a poll.  Each committee member then votes on an action that he/she feel are the most appropriate match with the infraction or infractions. Those decisions, of course, are informed by the collective experience of the committee and the evolving history of the committee’s findings.

The Disciplinary committee next sends its recommendation to the President of the Board of Directors.  The President then reviews all of the information provided and either decides to accept the recommendation or to request additional consideration.  The recommendation is also discussed with the Executive Board of Directors and it is either accepted or modified by vote of the Executive Board.  A letter is then constructed and sent to the Executive Director of the PDGA who both emails and mails a certified letter to the members involved. The resulting disciplinary action goes into effect the day of the email/postmark.

A more detailed form of our disciplinary process can be found at

The member is allowed to appeal as written in our policy. PDGA does not divulge specific details of the findings until such time as the member has exhausted all of his/her appeal rights. Such public discussion is necessarily limited to protect the privacy rights of the individuals involved. 

These concerns are both legal and ethical. The posting of such information could easily jeopardize the interests of a member if it came to the attention of a potential employer or other interested party. PDGA would only divulge such information if the member involved were to provide a signed letter granting that permission.

PDGA is, of course, a non-profit organization.  Our sport is an emerging one.  As such, we have to work consistently to maintain a positive and professional image.  We do, of course, provide a Competition/Rule book and have all of our disciplinary processes posted on our website.  We count on our members to help each other follow the rules and we hope that members who have questions will feel free to contact us directly.  Please remember that we are all disc golfers and we do care. Our policies have been developed by members and are in place to help us keep our members safe and to provide a fair and consistent process.

In summary, this is a challenging job and we are volunteers. The disciplinary committee is always interested in hearing from members who are willing to serve in some capacity as some part of this difficult, but essential part of sustaining our sport.

Rebecca Duffy
 PDGA Board President
 Speaking for the PDGA Board of Directors and Disciplinary Committee 

General Banter / Re: 18 Months...Discuss
« on: September 11, 2016, 01:00:18 PM »

Brad Williams' side of it.

Again, I'm not defending BW. I don't care for him from the accounts I've read, but I don't hate him either.

However, I do believe 18 months is too long and that there should be more transparency in the event, the investigation, and how the punishment was determined.

Tournaments / Re: Roc Vs Buzzz, Sept 18th 2016 - Swope Park
« on: September 10, 2016, 09:53:53 PM »
When did a Buzzz GT come out?  How does it fly/compare in the Buzzz world?

In the link that ekolk posted, look at the bottom right meme.

Discraft Buzzz-GT 02/21/08

I have only seen one person to ever use it in an actual round.

Tournaments / Re: Big Blue Monster 2016 11/5/16
« on: September 10, 2016, 09:50:03 PM »
So check-in is in the morning, so this not a flex start event, right? Normal shotgun, just 1 round.

Correct  Normal shotgun start for 1 round.  No flex start.

Check in is from 8:45 - 9:30.  Player meeting at 9:30.  Tee off approximately 15 minutes after player meeting is over, whenever that is.

Tournaments / Re: 2016 Kansas City Mini Series
« on: September 10, 2016, 09:27:16 PM »
The line with my results seems to have been completely deleted. 
Never mind, found it.

Along with your avatar.  Except that it hasn't been found yet.

Tournaments / Re: Battle at Gunn Park
« on: September 10, 2016, 09:26:31 PM »
Fun day today.  Glad I went.

General Banter / Re: Change is Coming - Today - 8/31/16!!!
« on: September 10, 2016, 09:25:23 PM »
mine is not working either

General Banter / Re: 18 Months...Discuss
« on: September 09, 2016, 11:43:06 AM »
When you go to the first link you must then follow the link within the text and you will hear a breakdown about what happened in a podcast interview.

Starts at about 17:30 or so.

Gives a broad explanation without specific details beyond a shoulder bump and heated words.  If that is the case, yes, he should be suspended because he was on probation.  18 months is pretty stiff.

General Banter / Re: 18 Months...Discuss
« on: September 09, 2016, 11:38:10 AM »
Repeat offender. 'nough said.

I politely disagree with you.  Repeat offence depends on what the offence was. 

If I was ticketed for speeding a second time at 10 mph over, that would not produce a 18 month driver suspension.  Second DUI in 12 months, yeah, 18 months is reasonable.  Second vehicular manslaughter in 12 months, 18 months is not long enough.

Tournaments / Re: Big Blue Monster 2016 11/5/16
« on: September 09, 2016, 11:31:56 AM »
(Oops, flyer is missing date.  November 5, 2015.  Will update the flyer soon.)

Tournaments / Big Blue Monster 2016 11/5/16
« on: September 09, 2016, 11:31:24 AM »

Registration link is open:

This tournament will have two pools. Each pool plays one round of 18 holes.

First Pool: Original Long 18 holes.

Original 18 set in the maximum length possible which will include new pin placements on 3-4 holes that are even longer. Approximately 11,500 feet, par 74. Divisions for this pool:
ALL OPEN ($22 - pays out $20 per player)
ALL ADVANCED ($20 Player pack disc and additional payout)
ALL INTERMEDIATE ($20 Player pack disc and additional payout)
ALL RECREATIONAL ($15 Player pack only - premium Innova disc)
JUNIORS 1 (18 & UNDER) ($15 Player pack only - premium Innova disc)

Second Pool: Junior / Exec 9 holes (x 2 laps)

This is the Blue Valley Short Course - Smaller 9 hole course played twice back to back without a break. This is not as easy as it may seem. 5400 feet, part 56. Still has some pretty significant elevation. Divisions for this pool:
ALL NOVICE ($10 Player pack only - base Innova disc)
ALL JUNIOR DIVISIONS II AND BELOW (15 & UNDER) ($10 Player pack only - base Innova disc)

Disc stamp:

General Banter / Re: 18 Months...Discuss
« on: September 09, 2016, 11:19:48 AM »
"There is no 'Example' made here unless we are told what the punishment is pertaining to. Lesson not learned."

For this punishment to have any affect on future events we, the players, need to know exactly why this punishment was meted out.

This, this, this.

I'm not a BW fan or hater.  I don't want to play a round with him but I don't wish ill will towards him either.  But I think when a prominent player of this caliber is suspended for this long - which is really freaking long - some sort of explanation should be provided regardless of how glossed over it may be.

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