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Blue Valley / Re: Earn your Green Frees.
« on: December 09, 2015, 09:35:52 pm »
DK, not the Dead Kennedys, but Doug Keehler, will you confirm settings in the Big Blue Pin Placements thread?

Thanks,

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Blue Valley / Re: Big Blue Pin Placements
« on: December 09, 2015, 09:34:55 pm »
Hey Doug,

Is this the current setup?  Is this the original tee pads or the inner tee pads?

1 Short
2 Short
3 Middle par 4?
4 New short - from original tee pad or inner tee pad?
5 Short
6 Short
7 Short
8 Short
9 Where is this one?  Super short, like just across the valley, or the shorter of the two longs?
10  New short pin from original tee?
11 Short - this is one of my favorite shots
12 New short?
13 New short?
14 Only?
15 New short pin from original tee?
16 Short near tree
17 Original short
18 Original short

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General Banter / Re: What types of beer do disc golfers like?
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:22:15 pm »
The Belgians did surprise me a bit, but really, this category is super vague.

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General Banter / Re: What types of beer do disc golfers like?
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:20:14 pm »
I am doing this for a little research with my ongoing Yankee Tank affiliation.  However, I'm sure this information would be helpful to all TD's that get beer sponsors, such as KCWO, Disc Golf Day, Ice Bowl, etc.

With these numbers (which I'm not surprised with at all), I have some useful information to share with my brewer.  However, I think the results are also skewed by the people that read this type of thing.

Such as, posts on here about 'carry in, carry out', are fine and all, but the actual person that litters, probably isn't going to read a forum on KC disc golf.  The typical one-disc hucker that is out for a nice stroll in the park, probably doesn't care what kind of beer it is, as long as it's drinkable.

But, I'm not planning on one disc huckers coming to a tournament either.

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General Banter / Re: What types of beer do disc golfers like?
« on: December 07, 2015, 08:53:47 am »
I voted Miller/Bud because they make my 2 favorite beers.

Hurricane High Gravity Lager
211 Steel Reserve

Thank you for voting.

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General Banter / Re: What types of beer do disc golfers like?
« on: December 06, 2015, 08:30:57 pm »
This  poll can be interpreted however way you want.  During the round, after the round, inbetween the rounds, free, not free, whatever.

Just curious what disc golfers prefer to drink.

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General Banter / Re: What types of beer do disc golfers like?
« on: December 06, 2015, 06:41:31 pm »
Voting closes in 7 days

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General Banter / What types of beer do disc golfers like?
« on: December 06, 2015, 06:40:23 pm »
I think that maybe my view on beer may skew what I think other disc golfers drink, so I'm curious on what you actually prefer.  This could be good information not only for the events I run, but also for those that help with Disc Golf Day, Ice Bowl, KCWO, etc.

Prost!

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Tournaments / Re: Ratings Based Tournaments
« on: December 04, 2015, 05:57:05 pm »
Thank you for your thoughts.  I'll consider various options going forward for 2016. 

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Tournaments / Re: Ratings Based Tournaments
« on: December 04, 2015, 09:38:24 am »
Long time ago, in a state far, far away... I used to run road races.  10K, 1/2 Marathons, etc.  My beer gut may not suggest it but I actually went to Iowa State Championship in cross country.  Wow, that was more than a half life ago.  Anyway, the 'player pack' for non-school events was a t-shirt.  Really good ones were a pair of running shorts.  That's it.

However, the Am Payout is so ingrained into our current DG tournament scene, that it isn't going to change.  Just because it doesn't happen in other Am sports doesn't mean that it is a bad thing for this sport.  The PP and payout was one of the significant reasons why I started to play tournaments.  Now that I have more plastic than I can use, I now would enter a $10 tournament with no PP, no payouts, just awards.  As a TD, if I tried that now, I would get maybe 5 people to come.  If anyone is so willing to try it, I'm specifically talking about a PDGA sanctioned event.  Not a mini/league where I pay $10 and don't get anything tangible, not even a rated round.

I get what Dick is saying.  I actually agree with it to a point.  It's just not going to happen within the next 5 years.

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Tournaments / Re: Ratings Based Tournaments
« on: December 03, 2015, 05:51:23 pm »
I was wondering why those were cheaper than the others on your eBay shop. If I had to guess, it's because of all the weird mismatched patterns in the stamp -- not TriLion's best work, I'm afraid.

Combination of not a good stamp and not hotly sought after molds.  Some of the lesser nice ones will be moved to the bargain bin next season.  Or given away as CTPs, or something else I come up with.  Maybe long distance competition over a large lake.

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Tournaments / Re: Ratings Based Tournaments
« on: December 03, 2015, 12:31:03 pm »
Thanks for your comments guys.  It does help to understand what people want.

(And Jeff, thanks for playing nicely  ;) )

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Tournaments / Re: Ratings Based Tournaments
« on: December 03, 2015, 11:55:51 am »
I'm still committed to be cheaper, which means smaller player packs, lower payouts, but will be tweaking items to make it sustainable.

Some tournaments don't have a Player Pack because that can be a risky outlay for a non-store promoter like me.  I have to order a minimum number of discs.  However, if I don't get the players signed up, then I'm left with a bunch of tournament stamped discs that nobody wants (I Like SpIke).  Pushing all entry to payouts makes sure I don't get stuck with inventory I can't sell.

With this being said, and I'm sure someone would point it out if I didn't, my first two tournaments next year will have a larger player pack because Innova is the presenting sponsor which is allowing me to provide more product.  If you haven't noticed, I like to mix things up a bit.  One of the tournaments next year will have the normal golf discs (TeeBird, Destroyer, Gator, etc.) for the Player Pack item, but will also include a second disc - a Zephyr, which is a SuperClass disc.  I actually looked into running a SuperClass event, but the PDGA stop sanctioning those a few years back.

Also - the Longview Open, will have a noticeable larger PP than what I can usually provide.  It will be an Innova exclusive disc (I don't even know what it is yet), a Performance Tee, baseball cap, mini, and other small items.

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Tournaments / Re: Ratings Based Tournaments
« on: December 03, 2015, 11:48:00 am »
I have a better suggestion. No more payouts for Ams. Sorry not sorry, I know it isn't a popular opinion but we are one of the few if not only Am sporting events with a payout.

I would play a $10 PDGA Sanctioned tournament with no player pack, no payouts and trophy only every weekend of the year from March 1 to November 30th.  I think I'm like less than 1% though.

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Tournaments / Re: Ratings Based Tournaments
« on: December 03, 2015, 11:46:30 am »
This thread wasn't intended to be about payouts, but I don't want to ignore some thoughts that were brought up.

Regarding payout depth - I actually do hear it from both sides.  I understand MK's views, and I understand BoltNutZ views.  Generally, I tend to run the tournaments the way that I would want to be if I played in them.  Deeper payouts make more people happy (although the top not as happy).  I get excited when I have a payout, even $10.  I'm like, 'cool dude, I CASHED!'  It does help people to play up versus playing down. 

I'll take myself, again, as an example.  I've been playing DG casually for 10 years, competitively for 5 years.  However, I have never broke a 851 rating and have only had 3-5 rounds ever above 900.  Not only could I play Rec, but most of my 'career' so far I could have played Novice.  Most of the time I play Rec, honestly, because it's cheaper and I'd rather play more tournaments.  Sometimes I play Intermediate because I get tired of explaining the rules to new players.  1-2x per year I'll play Adv. Master because the cost is the same and I'm not going to cash regardless of what division I'm in (Glass Blown Open, AM Worlds, etc.).

The costs of my tournaments are going to go up next year $2-3 per division.  Reality is I've lost more money in 2015 than made and am currently sitting in the red by a noticeable amount.  There isn't a business model, for profit or non-profit, than can do that long term other than our government (don't get me started).  I'm still committed to be cheaper, which means smaller player packs, lower payouts, but will be tweaking items to make it sustainable.

Some tournaments don't have a Player Pack because that can be a risky outlay for a non-store promoter like me.  I have to order a minimum number of discs.  However, if I don't get the players signed up, then I'm left with a bunch of tournament stamped discs that nobody wants (I Like SpIke).  Pushing all entry to payouts makes sure I don't get stuck with inventory I can't sell.

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